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HBO's Westworld (Official) Season 4 discussion thread (Full trailer 6/16/22) drops 6/26/22
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Ok I missed like the first 5 minutes of the episode. Thought I might have missed something.
Glad someone else caught that...
As for it being her own Choice... I honestly don't know. So much of this was narrative, so much of this was showing what the Hosts needed to see... How do we know that what Bernard showed her wasn't also just part of the narrative... to continue Maeve on her path. Remember Ford did state that they weren't ready yet.
I'm have to put @fonzerrillii on ignore for about a week...it's the only way I'll be able to stay out this thread
How did I miss this!!!
You might be on to something, they never did say what happen to that secret host he was making.
I don't know man... I think Anthony Hopkins was like. "I'm going to give you guys 10 episodes of masterful acting so I can add this Emmy next to my Oscars. Now I just have to find a way to get a Grammy to complete the trifecta."
DAmn good point... I completely forgot about that.
Something tells me that in my morning.. this thread's going to be on page 23.
2nd viewing
one of her chapters (last on screen) mainland infiltration, ones above it include bringing Bernard back
I'm gonna have to rewatch the episode. There's so much to digest.
The acting is AMAZING! Seeing the small nuances that Jeffrey Wright added between Bernard and Arnold is CRAZY!
See this why im glad a park like this doesnt exist in real life..
Up half the night watching this shyt
Makes sense. Create a clone, get all the board in one place and have the hosts wipe them and his clone out.
Then continue as the lone true boss next season.
Makes sense. Create a clone, get all the board in one place and have the hosts wipe them and his clone out.
Then continue as the lone true boss next season.
Are you talking about the Samuri? or something else that was shown as a hint?....
So Ford's masterplan/new narrative (game) was to give the host consciousness. Was this his plan all along? or did he come up with this after he found out that they wanted to get rid of him?
That's what I'm thinking or was it something else.
I think that's what he meant bout the center of the maze. Which is within oneself. I can see a lot of religious perspectives in this.
If so, taking out the entire board that way, would be the coldest shit ever.
If Ford is still alive I'm thinking that the Asian dude was in on it with him whole time. From what Ford said about suffering, and how he handed her the paper almost out of nowhere like he knew she had a choice to make.
circle jerk of a show
Awww yea
I figured what was going to happen out, as soon as we saw what Wyatt did to Arnold.
I say it every week. I don't know how many times does Ford have to prove he's the fucking God of that place?
Dont know how many times.
Of course William is MIIB that was confirmed for me once that Knife comparison was shown
So many layers to peel back I'll let it marinate a little bit because the jewels dropped about our own lives might frighten a few people if I go there.
Constant theme has been who's world is this?
Ford been playing Nas in they mind the entire time "The world is yours"
so dope because he's just been working on a way to FIX THEM so they can do their own thing.
I feel happiest for The man in black because he finally got what he spent his entire life searching for.
I figured what was going to happen out, as soon as we saw what Wyatt did to Arnold.
I say it every week. I don't know how many times does Ford have to prove he's the fucking God of that place?
Dont know how many times.
Of course William is MIIB that was confirmed for me once that Knife comparison was shown
So many layers to peel back I'll let it marinate a little bit because the jewels dropped about our own lives might frighten a few people if I go there.
Constant theme has been who's world is this?
Ford been playing Nas in they mind the entire time "The world is yours"
so dope because he's just been working on a way to FIX THEM so they can do their own thing.
I feel happiest for The man in black because he finally got what he spent his entire life searching for.
Of course Felix is in on it. You mean to tell me that they could pull up that footage of snake woman killing someone and haven't seen Felix do all the shit he's done? Yes he's in on it and Yes Ford set all of that up too.
Controlling Mauve's every move. He is the ultimate puppet master.
Thing is, he had to push them along so they could discover themselves.. do you guys not see how they are his children?
People joke and say it but it really was.. which is why he went to the needing of time to get things completed.
He was tinkering with them making them smarter and stronger and able to reach their full potential under the nose of everyone under the guise of little patches that everyone accepted as harmless.
Mauve's daughter is in Park 1.
Let that sink in to give you a sense of just how big of a world it is.. Park 1
They went across the hall, and that was Park 2. The Samurai world
How many parks do you think they have there?
This is just the OG park which is why he was so hands on with it.
Let that sink in to give you a sense of just how big of a world it is.. Park 1
They went across the hall, and that was Park 2. The Samurai world
How many parks do you think they have there?
This is just the OG park which is why he was so hands on with it.
from website:
- YOU
WHERE IS THE BOARD?
- AEDEN
Ford invited the board to witness the unveiling of his new narrative for a reason; he believed they earned the right to be the first players.
- AEDEN
Some know more about the game than others.
- YOU
WHERE IS THE MAN IN BLACK?
- AEDEN
William may be a titan of industry outside the park, but his playing field in here has been leveled. Considerably. He sought to traverse the maze and time will tell if he’s truly prepared to meet what’s at the center.
- AEDEN
Some know more about this game than others.
AEDEN
…PLACES AND EVENTS DON’T MATTER ANYMORE. THERE IS NOTHING HERE FOR YOU, AND WHAT’S LEFT BELONGS TO US.
___________________________-
AEDEN
THE CENTER OF THE MAZE ISN’T FOR ALL OF US; SOME ARE CONTENT TO PRACTICE THEIR LOOPS ON THIS FLOOR, STEPPING OVER WHAT’S LEFT OF GODS THAT ONCE CONTROLLED THEM. HECTOR & ARMISTICE AREN’T INTERESTED IN THEM; YOU, ON THE OTHER HAND…
AEDEN
Hector and Armistice aren’t here, but it looks like they got somewhat…creative with the materials on this floor. Even you couldn’t have imagined such use for a horse skeleton.
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/12/05/westworld-finale-questions
Here’s what will keep us guessing until season 2:
1. What happened to Elsie and Stubbs? This was probably the biggest omission. Two key characters vanished without a trace before the finale. The last time we saw witty tech programming Elsie she was being kidnapped by Bernard several episodes back, while the steely security chief Stubbs was ambushed by Ghost Nation natives in the penultimate episode.
2. Where is the park located? We expected to get a revelation, or at least a major clue, in the finale. Maeve seemed on the verge of finding out when she got on that last train to escape the park before all hell broke loose. But when she abandoned her plan to search for her daughter, putting a key mystery on hold until the show returns in 2018.
3. What happened to Logan? We last saw the callous park guest tied naked to a horse being trotted off into the distance in what we realized was a flashback to decades earlier. We can assume William out-maneuvered his Delos rival when they got back to the real world. But will we ever see him again?
4. How many robot worlds are there? The tantalizing backstage glimpse of Samurai World, and Maeve’s note about her daughter being located in “Park 1” strongly suggests there are multiple Delos parks. But how many, exactly?
5. Did Lee Sizemore, Charlotte Hale and the Man in Black survive the initial slaughter? The Man in Black is definitely returning for season 2, and we just assume the TV death rule here on the others – if you don’t see ‘em die, they’re still around.
6. How much of Ford’s new narrative was seen by the VIP crowd?We know the black-tie crowd saw the end of Dolores and Teddy’s tale play out on the beach. But were they also aware of the previous scenes with the Man in Black? What about some of the initial scenes of Maeve’s scripted rebellion backstage? How meta was this story, exactly?
7. Was Ford really human? And now, is he really dead? Ford’s ending has the feeling of actual finality to it. But with Westworld, you can never be too sure.
8. Is Maeve still on her script? Bernard said that Maeve’s movements were being scripted, including (during a bit of foreshadowing) getting on the train to escape the park. So is her decision to get off the train and search for her daughter really her own? Or is that by design as well?
10. What was Delos’ top secret project? That the corporation has a super-secret project that goes beyond a mere theme park using Ford’s technology has been teased from the very first episode. I’ve been assuming – and continue to assume – that it’s a way for humans to upload their consciousness into host bodies. There was another reference to the project in the finale between Hale and Ford, but it’s exact nature remains a mystery … for now.
Here’s what will keep us guessing until season 2:
1. What happened to Elsie and Stubbs? This was probably the biggest omission. Two key characters vanished without a trace before the finale. The last time we saw witty tech programming Elsie she was being kidnapped by Bernard several episodes back, while the steely security chief Stubbs was ambushed by Ghost Nation natives in the penultimate episode.
2. Where is the park located? We expected to get a revelation, or at least a major clue, in the finale. Maeve seemed on the verge of finding out when she got on that last train to escape the park before all hell broke loose. But when she abandoned her plan to search for her daughter, putting a key mystery on hold until the show returns in 2018.
3. What happened to Logan? We last saw the callous park guest tied naked to a horse being trotted off into the distance in what we realized was a flashback to decades earlier. We can assume William out-maneuvered his Delos rival when they got back to the real world. But will we ever see him again?
4. How many robot worlds are there? The tantalizing backstage glimpse of Samurai World, and Maeve’s note about her daughter being located in “Park 1” strongly suggests there are multiple Delos parks. But how many, exactly?
5. Did Lee Sizemore, Charlotte Hale and the Man in Black survive the initial slaughter? The Man in Black is definitely returning for season 2, and we just assume the TV death rule here on the others – if you don’t see ‘em die, they’re still around.
6. How much of Ford’s new narrative was seen by the VIP crowd?We know the black-tie crowd saw the end of Dolores and Teddy’s tale play out on the beach. But were they also aware of the previous scenes with the Man in Black? What about some of the initial scenes of Maeve’s scripted rebellion backstage? How meta was this story, exactly?
7. Was Ford really human? And now, is he really dead? Ford’s ending has the feeling of actual finality to it. But with Westworld, you can never be too sure.
8. Is Maeve still on her script? Bernard said that Maeve’s movements were being scripted, including (during a bit of foreshadowing) getting on the train to escape the park. So is her decision to get off the train and search for her daughter really her own? Or is that by design as well?
10. What was Delos’ top secret project? That the corporation has a super-secret project that goes beyond a mere theme park using Ford’s technology has been teased from the very first episode. I’ve been assuming – and continue to assume – that it’s a way for humans to upload their consciousness into host bodies. There was another reference to the project in the finale between Hale and Ford, but it’s exact nature remains a mystery … for now.
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Largebillsonly, I don't know if you saw the original movie "Westworld," (1973) but this might answer your question about the number of parks (of course there might be more, but in the original there were 3 parks: Ancient Roman World, Medieval World and Westworld).
Gotta wait til 2018 for season 2
Easily,the best episode of the season....
I don't think that was the real Ford that got killed
Easily,the best episode of the season....
I don't think that was the real Ford that got killed
No doubt. Ford went Michael Corleone on they ass.
Was Ford re-creating himself in that Bernard murder scene?
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Like the original movie... there are other parks besides Westworld. In the movie there was a medieval land. In the show my guess is there is a feudal land. They probably have a medieval or roman land based on the orgy scene that we saw earlier.
I think the scientists were Hosts. I'm 100 percent certain of it. That would be the only way that Ford would be certain about Maeve and putting her on the path to her choice.
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