not a hint - Ford said it plainly at the start of the conversation and again at the end after he showed Bernard the backdoor
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HBO's Westworld (Official) Season 4 discussion thread (Full trailer 6/16/22) drops 6/26/22
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I don't think Ford expects anyone to come down there anyway.
Here we go!
Bernard comes in and tries to do some analysis and Mave is actually on a higher level of understanding than he is. She's controlling ALL hosts. Bernard cannot even comprehend what happened, he doesn't know who he is so he can't even understand what's going on to him right now.
Tables have FINALLY turned.
That look on his face as he left, confused, questioning his own existence. It's like you're a grown ass adult and then your friend says "You didn't know those weren't your real parents?"
His name is Ber-nud not Bernard anymore.
Gina Torres is so fine.
Would you forget all the bad shit that's ever happened to you? I don't think I'd want to do that.
Stop saying that's she's not like the others, you do have a fiance at home? As bad as the brother in law is he's right. Would anyone let the man their sister love, do that type of shit?
Yea get a grip Billy. Machinery. Delores looked down like OMG I'm a MACHINE
Sliced a human up? Delores.. that's not good.
Nothing is in that safe I bet. LOL
Knew it. Absolutely nothing.
Getting to hell has always been easy.
Nobody really watches the park or it's just too massive because they did not follow their loop and nobody is there to stop them or correct them.
Going by this story he's telling right now, sounds like Wyatt is Arnold.
And now it looks like Theodore is actually Wyatt.
LMAO you better run fam.
Im going to do that in a fight.
"Freeze all motor functions"
that shit would probably work lol.
The fuck did this nigga just say?
FREEZE ALL MOTOR FUNCTIONS!
then when he's looking like wtf just knock him out.
Billy murdered the entire camp. Raw style.
It's funny Bernud is trying to diagnose them and he's one of them.
Rabbit hole is deep.
Are we hosts? Are you hosts?
How would we know? That voice in your head is that your programmer, trying to create a conscious?
Are we Bernuds?
The human mind is corrupt.
Look at how all of her things are bleeding through. She doesn't know what she's doing or where she's doing it or when she's doing it.
Human relive grief that's why. That's why you keep going back to it, we don't get over this stuff either. You wanted to be human, that's being human, that's how it shapes you. People who have been through what your been through, act a way, carry themselves a way.
Charlie....Charlie Wilson
Get over the pain people. MESSAGE.
Man if yall not picking up the nuggets being dropped then I'll just keep them for myself.
Hello Bernard...er um ARNOLD.
How do you even
LOL
you know that when they wrote that twist in the writer's room they just had to take a 15 minute break and just weebay..
everybody did the weebay challenge lol
When your entire existence is controlled you have to fall to your knees
How many times does Ford need to tell you that HE CONTROLS EVERY FUCKING THING GOT DAMMIT
Bernard comes in and tries to do some analysis and Mave is actually on a higher level of understanding than he is. She's controlling ALL hosts. Bernard cannot even comprehend what happened, he doesn't know who he is so he can't even understand what's going on to him right now.
Tables have FINALLY turned.
That look on his face as he left, confused, questioning his own existence. It's like you're a grown ass adult and then your friend says "You didn't know those weren't your real parents?"
His name is Ber-nud not Bernard anymore.
Gina Torres is so fine.
Would you forget all the bad shit that's ever happened to you? I don't think I'd want to do that.
Stop saying that's she's not like the others, you do have a fiance at home? As bad as the brother in law is he's right. Would anyone let the man their sister love, do that type of shit?
Yea get a grip Billy. Machinery. Delores looked down like OMG I'm a MACHINE
Sliced a human up? Delores.. that's not good.
Nothing is in that safe I bet. LOL
Knew it. Absolutely nothing.
Getting to hell has always been easy.
Nobody really watches the park or it's just too massive because they did not follow their loop and nobody is there to stop them or correct them.
Going by this story he's telling right now, sounds like Wyatt is Arnold.
And now it looks like Theodore is actually Wyatt.
LMAO you better run fam.
Im going to do that in a fight.
"Freeze all motor functions"
that shit would probably work lol.
The fuck did this nigga just say?
FREEZE ALL MOTOR FUNCTIONS!
then when he's looking like wtf just knock him out.
Billy murdered the entire camp. Raw style.
It's funny Bernud is trying to diagnose them and he's one of them.
Rabbit hole is deep.
Are we hosts? Are you hosts?
How would we know? That voice in your head is that your programmer, trying to create a conscious?
Are we Bernuds?
The human mind is corrupt.
Look at how all of her things are bleeding through. She doesn't know what she's doing or where she's doing it or when she's doing it.
Human relive grief that's why. That's why you keep going back to it, we don't get over this stuff either. You wanted to be human, that's being human, that's how it shapes you. People who have been through what your been through, act a way, carry themselves a way.
Charlie....Charlie Wilson
Get over the pain people. MESSAGE.
Man if yall not picking up the nuggets being dropped then I'll just keep them for myself.
Hello Bernard...er um ARNOLD.
How do you even
LOL
you know that when they wrote that twist in the writer's room they just had to take a 15 minute break and just weebay..
everybody did the weebay challenge lol
When your entire existence is controlled you have to fall to your knees
How many times does Ford need to tell you that HE CONTROLS EVERY FUCKING THING GOT DAMMIT
Delores- Wyatt
Theo= the savior.
After that 1st year Arnold pushed for MORE. He pushed too far. He made them human. When you make humans as ford said, they will disappoint you they are corrupt. There would be a murderer in the midst. Look at Maves? She's ANGERED that she's been shackled by this life.
Her reaction isn't acceptance it's fucking rage and revenge
The hosts are "sleep" living their lives. Maves is "woke" Delores was the original "woke"
The voices of GOD in their heads keeping them at peace in some instances and driving them mad in others.
You gotta dig deeper. Deeper than the city buried under the sand.
Delores is in present. These memories are just that, she's just a host and her reality is shaped by those things. She's retracing her steps and going back to the maze.
Where it all began.
And the idiot corporation doesn't even know what it has.
The arrogance. People ate everything until we had to create this world in order for them to eat some more..
Theo= the savior.
After that 1st year Arnold pushed for MORE. He pushed too far. He made them human. When you make humans as ford said, they will disappoint you they are corrupt. There would be a murderer in the midst. Look at Maves? She's ANGERED that she's been shackled by this life.
Her reaction isn't acceptance it's fucking rage and revenge
The hosts are "sleep" living their lives. Maves is "woke" Delores was the original "woke"
The voices of GOD in their heads keeping them at peace in some instances and driving them mad in others.
You gotta dig deeper. Deeper than the city buried under the sand.
Delores is in present. These memories are just that, she's just a host and her reality is shaped by those things. She's retracing her steps and going back to the maze.
Where it all began.
And the idiot corporation doesn't even know what it has.
The arrogance. People ate everything until we had to create this world in order for them to eat some more..
Ford created Bernard to have Arnold's intellect and personality but without the desire to make the host sentient beings. That's why he offed Bernard when he expressed the same desire as Arnold.
Finally,got to see this week's episode 
My guess is that she set the fire while she was fucking so they would have to reconstruct her completely. Then she can have her boys make sure the explosive device is removed or not installed.
Westworld was based on this show
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Westworld
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080198/
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Westworld
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080198/
Interesting she is seen leaving by herself. Her leaving opens a cornucopia of possible storylines for the writers. Dam! Mauve needs to be on my team!
No way she makes it out
Westworld was based on this show
..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Westworld
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080198/
Damn... Connie Sellecca was in this. I don't know why, but I had the biggest crush on this chick growing up. I'm still demanding my "Greatest American Hero" reboot...
Anyway...
I think Westworld is sort of like this show, but i think it's closer to Futureworld....
Beyond Westworld was a show about some dude trying to use Delos robots to take over the world. It actually had a legit concept... with the Robots being indistinguishable from humans. I think Season 2.. will probably end up taking some elements from that.
Not so, Family.Westworld was based on this show
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Westworld
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080198/
Both the show you quoted and Westworld (2016) were based on this movie:
to be honest with you... It doesn't hold up that well.
despite the 70s cheese I felt it held up decently @ the time I seen it...that was before I watched this series tho...it'd be impossible for me to watch the movie while/after watching season 1
I've seen it....just want to check for similarities
Someone told me about this scene last week.
Tonight’s ‘Westworld’ Had a Great Easter Egg From the ‘Westworld’ Movie
Matt Singer | November 6, 2016 @ 9:26 PM
HBO’s Westworld is inspired by the 1973 science-fiction film of the same name by Michael Crichton, but while the two share the same premise — a Wild West theme park populated by lifelike robots which eventually gain sentience — they don’t share any characters. At least they didn’t share any characters until the episode that aired earlier tonight, “The Adversary.” (Obviously this is going to SPOIL something about said episode, so if you don’t want to know it, don’t read any further.)
The main antagonist of Crichton’s Westworld was a cowboy robot played by Yul Brynner that becomes infected with a sort of computer virus and starts killing the guests. TV’s Westworld doesn’t have a Brynner character, but his dynamic costuming — all black, with a black hat — is echoed in the costume of its main bad guy, the “Man in Black” played by Ed Harris.
If you paid close attention to “The Adversary,” though, you would have seen an even more direct homage to Brynner’s character. It’s in the background of the shot below, while Bernard is looking through one of the abandoned underground levels for a computer terminal he can use to find the source of some stolen information:
HBO
That figure in the background left is unquestionably meant to be Brynner’s Gunslinger robot. He’s even got the Yul Brynner pose down.
MGM
I’ll leave it to someone else to draft a theory where the Westworld movie and TV show exist in the same continuity. Frankly, I’m not convinced they can. I just think this was a really cool nod to the movie for the nerds paying close attention. And that’s great. Not everything needs to be something. As Freud famously said, sometimes a cowboy robot is just a cowboy robot.
Homegirl had it kinda rough in real life...
Evan Rachel Wood Reveals She Was Sexually Assaulted Twice: We Can’t ‘Stay Silent Any Longer’
http://people.com/celebrity/westworld-star-evan-rachel-wood-reveals-sexual-assault-rape-twice/
Evan Rachel Wood Reveals She Was Sexually Assaulted Twice: We Can’t ‘Stay Silent Any Longer’
http://people.com/celebrity/westworld-star-evan-rachel-wood-reveals-sexual-assault-rape-twice/
You were right on time with this. I swear I was just about to type that the 2016 series' "Man in Black" seems like a twist of Yul Brynner's "Gunslinger".
Someone told me about this scene last week.
Tonight’s ‘Westworld’ Had a Great Easter Egg From the ‘Westworld’ Movie
Matt Singer | November 6, 2016 @ 9:26 PM
HBO’s Westworld is inspired by the 1973 science-fiction film of the same name by Michael Crichton, but while the two share the same premise — a Wild West theme park populated by lifelike robots which eventually gain sentience — they don’t share any characters. At least they didn’t share any characters until the episode that aired earlier tonight, “The Adversary.” (Obviously this is going to SPOIL something about said episode, so if you don’t want to know it, don’t read any further.)
The main antagonist of Crichton’s Westworld was a cowboy robot played by Yul Brynner that becomes infected with a sort of computer virus and starts killing the guests. TV’s Westworld doesn’t have a Brynner character, but his dynamic costuming — all black, with a black hat — is echoed in the costume of its main bad guy, the “Man in Black” played by Ed Harris.
If you paid close attention to “The Adversary,” though, you would have seen an even more direct homage to Brynner’s character. It’s in the background of the shot below, while Bernard is looking through one of the abandoned underground levels for a computer terminal he can use to find the source of some stolen information:
HBO
That figure in the background left is unquestionably meant to be Brynner’s Gunslinger robot. He’s even got the Yul Brynner pose down.
MGM
I’ll leave it to someone else to draft a theory where the Westworld movie and TV show exist in the same continuity. Frankly, I’m not convinced they can. I just think this was a really cool nod to the movie for the nerds paying close attention. And that’s great. Not everything needs to be something. As Freud famously said, sometimes a cowboy robot is just a cowboy robot.
There are some similarities but not as much as I was expecting... the first Westworld basically plays out like the first Jurassic park.
Let me throw out my prediction before the last episode. Since everything is on loop all has happened before. The three timelines seems legit especially after they cut Delores open and she was all mechanical and the photo Billy lost some time ago. Ford sees the writing on the wall that they are going to take the park from him. So I think Ford's new narrative is simply recreating the massacre that happened before. Ford gives Teddy his new identity / command and he switches to go kill off the town. Only this time instead of a bunch of robots it's the Delos board who have all come to see the unveiling. Everybody dies at Wyatt's hand. My alternative is the Man in Black finally gets to play a live game and is the heroe and kills Teddy before he Meeks everyone.
The Next Big Question Surrounding the Arnold Mystery
How and why did Arnold die? Here are two possible explanations.
Westworld pulled the curtain back on its most mysterious player in season one's penultimate episode, confirming once and for all what some viewers already suspected: Bernard (Jeffrey Wright) is a host based on Arnold, the legendary man who founded Westworld alongside Robert Ford (Anthony Hopkins). Arnold died under confusing circumstances, and still influences the park's present events from beyond the grave.
But that's not the only new development in the Arnold saga. Now, we also know how he died: Dolores (Evan Rachel Wood) killed him. She admits as much when coming face-to-face with Arnold in a secret chamber dwelling within "the city swallowed by sand," but stops short of explaining the how, when, where and why. The answers to those questions all depend on yet another question: Was Arnold's death accidental or intentional?
In episode three, when Ford first tells Bernard about Arnold (although we now know they have danced this same dance numerous times over the years), he talks about how his forgotten partner died in the park, his death ruled an accident. But Ford is not so sure of the official ruling: "I knew Arnold, and he was very, very careful." It suggests the possibility that while Arnold's death may have looked like a freak accident, that it was actually very deliberately designed, perhaps by Arnold himself.
In attempting to figure out exactly how Arnold died, it's worth returning to Wyatt, the enigmatic enemy at the heart of Ford's new narrative. As Teddy Flood (James Marsden) often states, Wyatt disappeared for several weeks and returned with "strange ideas," leading to the visions of Wyatt and Teddy slaughtering their fellow soldiers. As of the penultimate episode, Teddy saw those visions slip away for what they really are: memories of a time long ago, where Teddy shot up a town of defenseless hosts. It's not just any town, either, but the same town featured in Dolores' dreams, identified on the show as "Escalante." By all current accounts, it appears that Escalante is one of the first settlements in Westworld, if not the first, designed to test out host programming in the earliest days of the park. Teddy's not the only one with visions of inflicting violence upon Escalante, either. In episode eight, Dolores experiences a similar memory jolt, watching a separate version of herself shoot several individuals, and ultimately herself.
When Ford first introduced the story of Wyatt (keep in mind that he introduced the story of Arnold in the same episode), he made it clear that the greatest stories are rooted in some measure of truth. Clearly, there's an awful and ancient truth fueling the Wyatt narrative, almost certainly connected to Arnold. One interpretation of events posits Dolores as the Wyatt figure with Teddy as her sidekick, shooting up the hosts (and possibly even humans) of Escalante due to… what? A glitch? A flaw in the early designs? Or is it not a flaw at all, but the discovery of consciousness that caused the rampage?
Since we've known him as a concept, we have known that Arnold was searching for consciousness within the hosts. A quick consideration of the show's Bernard, Dolores and Maeve (Thandie Newton) stories indicate that he found it. Several characters, Dolores included, talk about Arnold as a man who wanted more for the hosts than a life consumed by violence. Escalante represents that idea, an idyllic place where hosts learned manners and learned how to dance, when they weren't busy getting shot up. Is this what Arnold wanted out of the park? And if he wasn't going to get his way, would it be better to bring the guests' violent delights to a violent end? Following this through, we're left with at least two possible and plausible scenarios:
• In one corner, the accident: By giving consciousness to the hosts, Arnold created powerful entities beyond his control. Dolores, Teddy and perhaps others rebelled against their masters and shot up Escalante, killing Arnold somewhere in the process.
• In the other corner, the incident: After recognizing the park's immorality, Arnold commanded Dolores to euthanize her fellow hosts, and possibly even kill the human employees in order to destroy all the scientific knowledge needed to make a place like Westworld possible. As part of this mass cleansing, Arnold ordered his own death at Dolores' hands, and ordered Dolores to kill herself as well.
Both cases could be ruled as nothing more than a "freak accident," if someone was trying to cover a mess and keep the park online — someone like Ford, for example. And in both cases, there's room for Ford to wonder whether Arnold actually died in an "accident," or if his death was part of a meticulous design beyond even Ford's vast view. There are several possible explanations for Arnold's death, but based on what we know of the man and his untimely demise, what we've seen of Dolores' and Teddy's Escalante visions, and Ford describing the Wyatt narrative as a smokescreen for truth, it's easy to see all these threads tying together in time for the finale.
I assumed he meant the tv show is based off of and falls more in line with the tv show, not the movie.
I hear you, Bro. ..And I don't mean to sound Blunt-ish, but Westworld (2016) was definitely based on the original 1973 movie one of the biggest hits of the year considered today to be a sci-fi classic and to a lesser extent the sequel, "Futureworld"(1976),
- not the 1980 tv show, which only aired 3 episodes before it was cancelled.
The 2016 storyline has far more in common with the orig movie and its sequel than the premise of Beyond Westworld.
So far, this is one of the best shows I've seen.
GOT and WW are 1 and 1A
I hope next season isn't a huge let down like True Detective. Writing this good seems hard to do consistently.
‘Westworld’ Already Doing Better Than ‘Game Of Thrones’? Warner Bros. Head Weighs In
BY SALLY JAPCO ON 11/29/16 AT 10:49 PM
HBO's successful sci-fi drama “Westworld” has been renewed for a second season.Photo: HBO
HBO definitely has a keeper in the fantasy show “Game of Thrones,” but with the success of its new sci-fi series “Westworld,” it seems like the network is on a roll.
Warner Bros. Entertainment CEO Kevin Tsujihara already has grand plans for “Westworld,” and he is hinting that it might be an even bigger hit than “Game of Thrones.
“I am really, really excited about the opportunity that we potentially have with ‘Westworld,'” Tsujihara said at the Credit Suisse Technology, Media & Telecom Conference in Phoenix on Tuesday, according to Variety. “If you look at the viewer data on ‘Westworld,’ its first year viewing on all platforms is greater than ‘Game of Thrones.'”
“Westworld” drew in over three million viewers across different platforms in its first season run, and it has a huge chance of surpassing “Game of Thrones,” which usually reels in around eight million viewers or more.
“I am not saying it’s ‘Game of Thrones.’ I am not saying it’s going to be ‘Game of Thrones,'” Tsujihara clarified. “But if gives you a context of where it sits this first year that just finished this week.”
Given the show’s success, it does not come as any surprise that HBO renewed “Westworld” for a second season run. “It’s fantastic to have a broad-based cultural and ratings hit to build from,” HBO’s new programming president Casey Bloys said of “Westworld.” “That’s a great, great luxury.”
Show creators Jonathan Nolan and his wife Lisa Joy need not scramble for storyline ideas next season though, since they’ve got the show all figured out even before it aired. This is what James Marsden, the actor who plays host Teddy Flood, earlier told Entertainment Weekly.
“It wasn’t about getting the first 10 [episodes] done, it was about mapping out what the next five or six years are going to be,” said Marsden. “We wanted everything in line so that when the very last episode airs and we have our show finale, five or seven years down the line, we knew how it was going to end the first season – that’s the way [show creator] Jonah [Nolan] and [executive producer J.J. Abrams] operate.”
“Westworld” airs every Sunday at 9 p.m. EST on HBO.
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