HBO's Westworld (Official) Season 4 discussion thread (Full trailer 6/16/22) drops 6/26/22

whatever they are paying Hopkins for this show, isn't enough

See I'm of the opinion that the conversation with the little girl was actually in a previous timeline.
I'm starting to really consider triggered programming similar to subliminal commands / hypnosis
also made it very clear in this episode that hosts are organic - I caught it before when they talked about the host with MRSA in the abdomen
 
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Man what the shit....

There were layers upon layers....

The only thing that I confirm is that I was right about part of Dolores' story being in the past.
 
whatever they are paying Hopkins for this show, isn't enough


I'm starting to really consider triggered programming similar to subliminal commands / hypnosis
also made it very clear in this episode that hosts are organic - I caught it before when they talked about the host with MRSA in the abdomen

I think this episode definitely confirmed that the little girl with Delores was in a previous timeline...
 
I think this episode definitely confirmed that the little girl with Delores was in a previous timeline...
yeah - but
I'm still unsure about that- the messaging is too consistent with the commands /guidance that she keeps receiving, to be memories...
The 2 guests with her might be the representative the board sent in - also I'm starting to wonder if that story is playing out concurrently with the mib's quest
 
yeah - but
I'm still unsure about that- the messaging is too consistent with the commands /guidance that she keeps receiving, to be memories...
The 2 guests with her might be the representative the board sent in - also I'm starting to wonder if that story is playing out concurrently with the mib's quest

I think the story is definitely running concurrently with MIB's quest.
 
ok, so the park is only 35 y/o
MIB saved the company back then, so he likely has some ownership
the hosts were originally androids but eventually became organic
no need for a Roman world when you got orgies like that
They are doing a great job of showing the further you go from the center of the park, the more fun and more dangerous the park gets... can't wait to see the levels with indians, mexican rebels, etc
Also looking forward to how Bernard moves on the hijacking of hosts and smuggling



I'll be the first to say it. Anthony Hopkins is an advanced host.
whatever he is - is beasting for the last 2 eps
 
I hope this got renewed,because this is one of my favorite new shows


The conversation with the man in the black hat and Dr Ford

:itsawrap::itsawrap:
:lol: Dr. Ford is God in there..OG to the max..if MIB would have tried anything, all the host in WestWorld would have descended on his ass. But I do think Ford is losing control even though it appears that he has it. somehow, Arnold has implanted a virus of some sort that will resurrect his plans in the first place. I think Ford killed him.
 
I also think Ford had a hand in Arnold's demise. MIB pulled out that knife and Ford didn't flinch. Teddy grabbed that shit wit da quickness outta nowhere. Looks like Ford has ALL the hosts programmed to protect him from harm at all times. I thought the hosts weren't allowed to harm humans but they was fuckin my man up before his boy and Delores jumped on that train.

So there are multiple versions of same character? MIB slits dude throat and then he's the dude delores and em looking for. Gotta watch this shit again.
 
I also think Ford had a hand in Arnold's demise. MIB pulled out that knife and Ford didn't flinch. Teddy grabbed that shit wit da quickness outta nowhere. Looks like Ford has ALL the hosts programmed to protect him from harm at all times. I thought the hosts weren't allowed to harm humans but they was fuckin my man up before his boy and Delores jumped on that train.

So there are multiple versions of same character? MIB slits dude throat and then he's the dude Delores and em looking for. Gotta watch this shit again.
Right, if Ford has this kinda control over the host..who says he didn't have the host kill Arnold. But Arnold being Arnold..he already knew something like this would happen and he embedded something in the oldest host..Dolores.
 
Yo im on epidsode 4 and although i want to like the show, its a waaay to slow and extra. I mean they drag everything out and are quite redundant in areas they already covered. In fact I say that only about 30%of the show is new ground the rest of the time is spent going over what's already been established. I don't think the writers are sure of what they want to do, so they are filling up the time with small shit that dont really pay off. Im stay with it until the end of the season but the show is mad slow and super extra for no reasons. a lot of predictable stuff is happening and the dialogue is crazy slow. Nobody seems to be able to say more than 3 sentences at a time.
 
Right, if Ford has this kinda control over the host..who says he didn't have the host kill Arnold. But Arnold being Arnold..he already knew something like this would happen and he embedded something in the oldest host..Dolores.

Yeah this is my new theory... that Arnold set up Delores to avenge his death.
 
That little bot kid keeps poppin up at random spots.

That cac fucked a dead bot lol, them shits must be mad expensive.

I'd like to see how advanced the "real world" has become. Do they have bots like some irobot shit?
 
:lol: Dr. Ford is God in there..OG to the max..if MIB would have tried anything, all the host in WestWorld would have descended on his ass. But I do think Ford is losing control even though it appears that he has it. somehow, Arnold has implanted a virus of some sort that will resurrect his plans in the first place. I think Ford killed him.
yeah - Ford is under attack from multiple fronts, and after a 2nd viewing IMO Ford visited MIB to see if he had anything to do with it or if he is aware of any of it... Same reasons he pulled Delores in this ep looking to see if she is still running commands from Arnold.
I'm pretty sure next week Bernard will tell Ford of the smuggling, wonder if Ford already knows or how he reacts if he doesn't know.
I also think Ford had a hand in Arnold's demise. MIB pulled out that knife and Ford didn't flinch. Teddy grabbed that shit wit da quickness outta nowhere. Looks like Ford has ALL the hosts programmed to protect him from harm at all times. I thought the hosts weren't allowed to harm humans but they was fuckin my man up before his boy and Delores jumped on that train.

So there are multiple versions of same character? MIB slits dude throat and then he's the dude delores and em looking for. Gotta watch this shit again.
no multiples - it was the next day, so the host was fixed and reset into his loop
earlier -the two guys with Delores, one said his story is one of the best in the park and MIB said that host and his stories were his favorite...

I think getting a second season is a given... but this show can't go more then 2 maybe 3 seasons before the mojo is lost. But right now it is firing on all cylinders.
we'll see but I think it has legs - every episode hints at more levels - every shot of the command center shows levels, and now they have introduced off planet smuggling?

That little bot kid keeps poppin up at random spots.

That cac fucked a dead bot lol, them shits must be mad expensive.

I'd like to see how advanced the "real world" has become. Do they have bots like some irobot shit?
They have established in the last 2 episodes that the hosts aren't robots, they are organic with some type of digital interface.
So it will be cool to see the outside world and what the robots and environment is like.
 
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Inside 'Westworld's' "Epic" Orgy Scene
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Within one single scene, Westworld vaulted itself close to the front of the pack as far as HBO's history of vivid sex scenes is concerned.

In the fifth episode of series, called "Contrapasso," guests William (Jimmi Simpson) and Logan (Ben Barnes), alongside robot host Dolores (Evan Rachel Wood), encounter a new area of the park: Pariah, a city filled with outcasts, delinquents, thieves, murderers and a whole bevy of horny hosts. As a reward for their work in apprehending a stash of explosives for the local mercenaries, William and Logan are invited to attend a sexy party — and as it turns out, nobody throws an orgy quite like the people of Pariah.

The scene takes place in a great hall filled with mysterious figures, all but ripped right out of Stanley Kubrick'sEyes Wide Shut. Completely naked men and women are coated head to toe in gold and crimson paint, pleasuring each other and themselves in varying amounts of partners, positions, and other P-words that are not quite fit to print. In other words, Pariah is more than just a critical new location on the Westworld map. It also cements the genre-bending thriller's place as one of the most vivid and visually charged shows currently on television.

For more, THR spoke with Richard J. Lewis, who helmed the show's second episode, and also serves as a co-executive producer and supervising director on the series, about how the Westworld team brought both Pariah and one of the most vivid television sex scenes in recent memory to life.



How was the town of Pariah conceived?

We had always talked about Pariah as this place on the outskirts near the edge of the park — not totally on the edge, but close to it. Sweetwater is central to the arrival terminals, but the further out you get — and we say this narratively — the more dangerous and perverse and derelict the action is. Pariah, we always wanted it to be a strange city that exists near the edge of the park where you can get into a whole lot of trouble.

Indeed — and that's exactly what William, Logan and Dolores find when they arrive.

Yes. When we started thinking about it, we wanted it to feel like it was difficult to get to. We wanted the travel, whether it's horseback or on a buggy or whatever, to be treacherous to some extent. We show Pariah from the perspective of this graveyard [which was shot in] Utah. It's wedged between these dangerous looking mountains. We wanted it to feel like it was not only fairly tough to get to and remote, but also that you had an aggressive desire to want to go there and to get there.

How about the culture of Pariah? For instance, there's a street parade at night, and it seems centered on celebrating death…

We wanted it to feel like a border town, so that there's a Tex-Mex feel to it. We wanted it to land somewhere between an American culture and a Latino culture. We were inspired by Buenos Aires and the really beautiful grave sites there. There's a lot of Spanish flavor to this. Credit to our great production designer Zack Grobler for that. We did a lot of research and felt there was a nice almost Haitian feeling as well. We played with various looks. We played with full-body makeup, we played with an African flavor that felt more… there was an ideal of cannibalism we were messing with for a while. We landed in this border town Tex-Mex feeling.






The big set piece in Pariah is the sex party, of course, and I'm curious about how this fits into the town's culture. When we're behind the scenes with the humans, Westworld boasts a futuristic vibe. When we're in Sweetwater and the surrounding areas, it has that classic Western feel. But it's much harder to place the orgy in Pariah. It almost feels alien.

I'm glad to hear you can't land it anywhere in terms of references, because it does feel like there are a lot of influences there, from Eyes Wide Shut and some Kubrickian stuff that's there, as well as the movie 120 Days of Sodomby Pier Paolo Pasolini — a '70s movie that's a crazy, orgy-tastic ordeal. (Laughs.) We wanted to do something that's epic. [Westworld showrunners Jonathan "Jonah" Nolan and Lisa Joy] always wanted to do the biggest, best and most mind-blowing stuff, so we wanted to create the best sex orgy you can imagine. To that effect, we had some stylists. We really curated the scene to the T. Sometimes, to me, it has almost a medieval flavor. You can't categorize it, because it's so uniquely strange and beautiful in a way.

Is this the show's version of Roman World from the movie? The scene has some notes that feel like they could belong in that world.

I don't think that's intentional. We just wanted to create a palette that was very sensual and very dark and not particularly rote or done. We housed this scene in a mausoleum in Compton. That's where we found this location: a very narrow building where essentially 40,000 bodies are buried above ground. It was a strange place to begin with. It had a very haunting flavor to it, right from the get-go. (Laughs.) It was very surreal.

Was it challenging finding people eager enough to participate in this scene?

I don't take care of that end of things, so I don't know. We hired what they called "special extras," "special background players," who were willing to participate. We also had a sex stylist who made sure things looked properly choreographed in that regard. It was all hands on deck, to say the silly pun. We were trying to make things feel elegant and graceful and beautiful and strange.

Was there ever a concern that the scene went too far?

I think all of us have a modicum of taste that keeps us from taking it too far into the pornographic world and keeps it in the sensual world. I think that's important.

Sweetwater was already well established, and now we have Pariah on the map. Is the world of Westworldfirmly mapped out already, or is there room in the writers' minds for future Pariahs to emerge?

I think that Jonah and Lisa believe the world is quite large. I think the park is maybe 300 square miles, or maybe even more. There are different topographies and different geological and weather areas. You can be in various different [locations]. It's not just a Western place. We will discover many different topographies as we get deeper into the series. There are a lot of hidden treasures to come.
 
'Westworld': Evan Rachel Wood Talks Dolores' 'Terminator' Mode and That Orgy Scene
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Don't let the costume change fool you: Dolores (Evan Rachel Wood), the oldest host in Westworld, may have ditched her Alice in Wonderland esthetic for now, but she's further down the rabbit hole than ever before.

In the fifth episode of the new HBO science-fiction series, called "Contrapasso," Dolores follows the road toward self-discovery all the way to a gunfight. Dressed like a gunslinger after participating in a heist earlier in the day, Dolores calmly and efficiently kills a group of mercenary hosts before they can lay a hand on William (Jimmi Simpson), her traveling companion and, as of this week's emotionally charged kiss, potential love interest. As a means of explanation, Dolores tells William in the aftermath of the showdown: "You said people come here to change the stories of their lives? I imagined a story where I didn't have to be the damsel."

Dolores' drastic measures come after an episode already loaded with forward momentum for the character. She arrives in a new town called Pariah, which is populated by murderers, thieves and other assorted outlaws. There, she begins seeing visions of another Dolores weaving in and out of crowds, offering cryptic pieces of wisdom. Are these images nothing more than glitches in Dolores' programming, or is the answer even more unsettling — that there's more than one Dolores?

Speaking with THR about the episode, Wood is the one who posits the possibility of "multiple Dolores'," among other theories. Read on for the Westworld star's thoughts on her character's evolution, her first scene opposite Anthony Hopkins as Dr. Robert Ford, the kiss between Dolores and William, Dolores' newfound proficiency as a gunslinger and what it was like to film the scenes set during Pariah's vivid sex party.





Episode five is a big one for Dolores, starting with her arrival in Pariah. What does she make of the town?

I think what we're starting to notice, especially in this episode, is she is improvising. She's really breaking code. She's speaking in a less damsel, Disney princess-type of way, and more like a philosophical stoner. (Laughs.) She's suddenly asking different questions about her reality, and she's also making sense of it very quickly, and in an evolved way. Like, when she sees Pariah, she doesn't freak out; she says, "It's beautiful in its own way." Because it's almost what the world looks like when it's not pretending. It's just an honest world. She's also obviously starting to hear things that she would normally be programmed not to …

And seeing things, as well.

Yes. She's seeing things and talking to the voice, which is getting louder and stronger. I think she's scared about what's happening, but she's compelled to see where this is going to take her. And we also saw Dolores and Robert Ford (Anthony Hopkins) have a scene together for the very first time this season.

What are some of your memories of shooting those scenes?

It was breathtaking. Because obviously I was so excited to know what it's like to do a scene with Anthony Hopkins. But it wasn't just a scene. It was an empty glass box, and I sat on a stool, naked, and Anthony Hopkins was five inches away from my face. It was such an intense scene, and especially for Ford. I feel like it's the first time we've really seen him vulnerable and scared, without all the answers. There's 30 years of history between him and Dolores that we still don't quite understand, and I'm still trying to figure out exactly what's going on in that scene, and who they are to one another, and why he's so scared.

The scene ends on a great note, as Dolores asks Ford: "Are we friends?" And he very chillingly replies, "I wouldn't say that at all." So what are they?

It could mean so many things. They could be enemies, or not. When Anthony and I did that scene, he did every single take differently. I thought I might be able to get clues from his performance, and then it changed every time. So I was like, "Aw, man! It could be anything!" He blew me away with his acting. Of course, we all know Anthony Hopkins is one of the greatest performers of our time, but seeing him in person and seeing those subtleties and seeing them change every take was just like watching Da Vinci paint. It reminded me why I love what I do. It was unbelievable. I even forgot I was naked! It was that good!



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Dolores and William grow closer in this episode. What was your interpretation of their kiss?

I think Dolores has genuinely fallen in love with somebody other than Teddy (James Marsden), and that's … she's bound to Teddy no matter what, so for her to connect with William on that level, and kiss him in that way, and to say those things, it means it's real. But what happens if a bird and a fish fall in love? It's almost already on a path to tragedy, but there's also something maybe beautiful about it, because this A.I. is experiencing this for the first time and it's her choice. And also we see Dolores switch into a mode we've never seen before, and shoots — with incredible speed and precision. She's starting to show signs of something, a different side to Dolores that she doesn't even quite understand yet. She's evolving.

Dolores' evolution is reflected further in her costume change in this episode, as she suits up for the wagon heist. It's almost like she's playing as a new avatar. Does the costume change signal a shift for the character?

I think it definitely does. I think the farther out you take Dolores from Sweetwater, obviously the more she's not on her loop, and then the more she would probably be improvising and creating her own reality — which is all just my theories, of course. (Laughs.) I think absolutely that signifies something, and I think her going into that quote-unquote "Terminator" mode foreshadows so much. I think we're going to keep figuring out exactly what that is and what's going on. And, we've also now seen another Dolores, and the question is now if she's talking to herself or if there's another actual Dolores, which raises all kinds of new questions.

Could there be multiple versions of the same host?

Exactly. So many questions are being brought up in [episode] five, which we're just going to continue to explore.

What was your experience shooting the scenes at the sex party in Pariah?

It was so crazy. It was one of the craziest days of shooting I've ever had in my entire life. I just kept having to go into a corner, put my earphones on, and try to zone out, because I also had to sit there and not really react to what I was seeing, and it was… people were painted gold and red, and there were orgies, and we had no warning. We just walked on set and there it was. (Laughs.) Jimmi Simpson and I just kind of clung to each other.
 
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I thought the hosts weren't allowed to harm humans but they was fuckin my man up before his boy and Delores jumped on that train.

So there are multiple versions of same character? MIB slits dude throat and then he's the dude delores and em looking for. Gotta watch this shit again.
I think it's not harm but kill as in they could just fuck him up
& I also thought that the guy they're looking for is diff than the guy's throat he slit as he was just used to get to the next step of the 'board' like a video game, cueing the kid to come out - the killing triggered the boy and the blood he drained from dude didn't actually have to be transfused into dude but just represent so in order to trigger him to better healh.

The only evidence I saw of multiples are when Delores saw another her in that parade.......

Had no plans on watching this shit after the original '73 joint but y'all keeping a discussion growing had me catch up off of Demand on the wknd and the caliber of acting by some well knowns has me interested for now......
 
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I think it's not harm but kill as in they could just fuck him up
& I also thought that the guy they're looking for is diff than the guy's throat he slit as he was just used to get to the next step of the 'board' like a video game, cueing the kid to come out - the killing triggered the boy and the blood he drained from dude didn't actually have to be transfused into dude but just represent so in order to trigger him to better healh.
when he found Teddy he figured Teddy was the next step but it turns out if MIB allowed host to return to its loop - it would have taken him where he wants go
 
interesting....

Westworld's Sex and Violence-Filled Attempt to Outdo Game of Thrones Hid a Really Important Detail
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Westworld has taken great pains in previous episodes to put the viewer and its guests in the same position, and more specifically to shame anyone who’s more interested in the action and sex scenes than the philosophical questions it’s asking. This week, again, there was violence and sex all over the place. And, once again, it’s not at all the important part.

There’s a spectrum of ways to watch Westworld. On one end is the straightforward interpretation, one that says that everything is pretty much as we see it, the various storylines are taking place at roughly the same times. On the other hand, there’s the view that we’re seeing events that actually took place decades apart presented as if they’re contemporaneous. And then there’s the question of who, if anyone, is secretly an android.


I think I fall somewhere in the middle of that spectrum. There is clearly some kind of twist being hidden here. I’m not sure it’s nearly as complicated as there being many timelines and many hidden androids and a bunch of clones. But last night did a lot to convince me that Billy’s quest is the precursor to the Man in Black’s.

Obviously, it’s impossible to discount that unwilling travel companions Lawrence was killed by the Man in Black, and then almost immediately appeared in Pariah for Billy, Logan, and Delores to encounter. And when you hear Logan tell Billy that he’ll never amount to anything and see Billy far more willing to shoot and act out than ever before, it brings to mind the Man in Black saying that he was “born” in this park. We know the Man in Black is a big deal in the real world, so we could very well be seeing the thing that pushed him out of middle management.

In Billy and Logan’s time, we’re also seeing what looks like the beginnings of an android uprising that Arnold programmed into the park before he killed himself. The Man in Black says it’s because of him that things didn’t go south, which again hints at the idea that Billy is a young Man in Black. (On the other hand, it would be so sweet if he’s actually Logan—and he’s been a black hat forever. I’m actually fully into that twist, more than the Billy one.)
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We previously saw that Delores couldn’t even pull the trigger on a gun, much less shoot like she does in this episode. The question I have is whether Delores is breaking out of old programming or if she’s hardwired that way because they had to put down an android uprising that she was a part of. The latter works with her finding her gun and her own grave. But the former makes the dual-timeline theory more likely. Or maybe it’s both.

The most interesting detail is actually one that seems the most mundane, given all the journeys of self and gameplay mechanics in this episode. It’s Logan saying that the rumor is the park is “hemorrhaging” cash and that “we’re” considering buying them out. “Supposedly, this place was all started by a partnership. And right before the park opened, one of the partners killed himself,” Logan says. “Sent the park into a free fall. I mean, I don’t know any of the details, I don’t even know his name.”

Logan doesn’t say when this was supposed to happen, i.e. give us any time stamp that would help us place all these events. But he does say that all the lawyers he had look into the park came up empty—that the person we all know as Arnold is a “complete mystery” and there isn’t even a picture of him.



Now, if this is the past, Billy and Logan must work for Delos, right? Being a bigwig at the company that owns the park would explain why the Man in Black gets the kinds of privileges in the park. And why Robert Ford (Anthony Hopkins)is so disdainful of Delos, which might have come into the park post-giant disaster/uprising.

Everything Ford’s doing now could simply be an attempt to wrest control of the park back. Or for Ford to just bring the whole thing down the way he wants to. Or get everyone to leave him alone with his weird robot version of himself as a child, who popped up again this week. That and Teddy’s instinctive protection of Ford is a reminder of the power that Ford has in this place.

There’s obviously something brewing with Delos. The things inserted in the androids could either be corporate espionage or maybe Delos is using the park for some sort of experiment that justifies the expense. Remember, a few episodes back, Cullen (who works for Delos) told the head writer that, yes, there’s another agenda at work for Delos. And Robert said that there’s always been a fight about the park, but he’s always prevailed.


The big mystery, in my mind, isn’t actually what the timelines are or what the maze is. It’s Delos. The big corporate entity cannot have anyone’s best interests in mind. And the show is doing a lot of work to spin the park’s fake plotlines into something to distract from the weirdness happening outside the park. Delos and Robert Ford are the key.
 
I also think Ford had a hand in Arnold's demise. MIB pulled out that knife and Ford didn't flinch. Teddy grabbed that shit wit da quickness outta nowhere. Looks like Ford has ALL the hosts programmed to protect him from harm at all times. I thought the hosts weren't allowed to harm humans but they was fuckin my man up before his boy and Delores jumped on that train.

So there are multiple versions of same character? MIB slits dude throat and then he's the dude delores and em looking for. Gotta watch this shit again.

His boy is an android
 
when he found Teddy he figured Teddy was the next step but it turns out if MIB allowed host to return to its loop - it would have taken him where he wants go

Yeap that's what I figured to...

So I think it's time that we discuss... Some of the major bombs that were dropped last night.

Did anyone else catch the reference that MIB dropped when talking to Ford about Arnold's demise.
1. It appears that Arnold was the main one that started the park and Ford must have stolen Arnold's work. Somehow MIB knows this stuff.
2. (Now I might need to go back and watch this scene) but I could have sworn that MIB said that he tried to save Arnold..
3. I'm struggling with this... but I think I'm going to rule out Billy as being the MIB. MIB made a reference to Teddy about how the Host use to be more machine like and less organic and so far the hosts with Billy and Delores look almost the same as the ones in the present timeline... Since it's clear that Billy has never been to the park before... then he can't be MIB. So right now... I'm going with Logan being MIB and something sinister happens to Billy. Something so sinister that it causes Ford to wipe Delores memory.

Update... the article refreshed my memory. It was the part about him saying that because of him things didn't go south?
 
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Yeap that's what I figured to...

So I think it's time that we discuss... Some of the major bombs that were dropped last night.

Did anyone else catch the reference that MIB dropped when talking to Ford about Arnold's demise.
1. It appears that Arnold was the main one that started the park and Ford must have stolen Arnold's work. Somehow MIB knows this stuff.
2. (Now I might need to go back and watch this scene) but I could have sworn that MIB said that he tried to save Arnold..
3. I'm struggling with this... but I think I'm going to rule out Billy as being the MIB. MIB made a reference to Teddy about how the Host use to be more machine like and less organic and so far the hosts with Billy and Delores look almost the same as the ones in the present timeline... Since it's clear that Billy has never been to the park before... then he can't be MIB. So right now... I'm going with Logan being MIB and something sinister happens to Billy. Something so sinister that it causes Ford to wipe Delores memory.

Update... the article refreshed my memory. It was the part about him saying that because of him things didn't go south?
MIB (Mr. Flood iirc) did say to Ford, MIB saved the company around the time Arnold died...which leads me to reject the different timelines theory of Logan n Billy vs MIB
If Logan were MIB it would be crazy
 
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MIB (Mr. Flood iirc) did say to Ford, MIB saved the company around the time Arnold died...which leads me to reject the different timelines theory of Logan n Billy vs MIB
If Logan were MIB it would be crazy

Yeah he did say that.... so mib is likely neither of them but we are definitely on different timelines.
 
MIB (Mr. Flood iirc) did say to Ford, MIB saved the company around the time Arnold died...which leads me to reject the different timelines theory of Logan n Billy vs MIB
If Logan were MIB it would be crazy
Nigga must have mad loot, one guest said something about him saving his daughter. Mib got mad and told him to get the fuck on. Nigga been on vacation for 30fuckin yrs lol
 
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