trust has nothing to do with science or math
both have to be observable and /or provable... if it isn't tested and challenged its not science, if the numbers don't equate its not an equation...
South African girl doesn't believe in gravity. No really
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both have to be observable and /or provable... if it isn't tested and challenged its not science, if the numbers don't equate its not an equation...
Trust is what he said. And even then i still go with ...if someone tells you how to do something and then comes up with the system of how to do it. It has to be trusted and believed. I don't trust or believe anything said by whites. Those people who believe in the whites. Trust in whites. Isn't in me to do.
no one is arguing trust in this thread - don't ever trust shit, but educate / learn so that you can spot real work from magic
and don't fall for ish because it sounds good or appeals to preconceived prejudice or tradition
building blocks - learn the basics, test and experiment to see what works and what doesn't
then build up from there with one thing in mind "does this work?"
lol,
sorry gotta "weasel" out... Im just not
interested enough to get into a debate about it,
Its going down that road to vacuum and field equations...
and Im just not interested in this topic enough to research and debate it..
dont take it personal...
Yeah. I don't get people sometimes. Science and math are self-correcting.
Nope. Fuck whites in everything they got to say and got to do. You can talk about all day long. Worship them all day long. Bow down to their teachings all day long. Whites got lies inside the lies inside the damn lie. I'm not going to believe any of it. Like i said you choose to believe what whites aren't lying about and what whites are saying is true.
You have a problem with comprehension so I'm just gonna leave you to it.
I heard what she said. She spoke from pure ignorance. Some of you share the same ignorance so you she makes sense to you. She thinks there's such a thing as a Western science and a science for somewhere else. There's no such thing. I understand what colonization is, but her thought process about how that intersects with such a broad word as "science" and what she thinks it is, is rudimentary as fuck and regressive. Her ignorance of what she's attempting to deconstruct makes it even harder for African decolonization and progression. She's the polar opposite to what she thinks she's doing.
The scientific process we have is the culmination of ideas that have come from individuals and societies throufhout history from. Documented and undocumented from all over the globe, including Africa. You don't just "start it over" especially off the advice of someone like her who doesn't even understand the basics.
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Exactly. This applied even when there weren't words for it in latin, English or any western language.
I said trust in the process not who said it. TRUST is not the same as faith. Trust is relative to how much you've observed or tested and have been able to duplicate a process. You may read about a process but if you haven't tested what you read or observed the results in action then you should. In the case of something as simple as gravity and whatever Newton is credited with - you should know that all he did was DESCRIBE the observable laws and apply them. Anyone can do the same with dependable results and base something they want to accomplish within that realm upon it. Not because be said it, but because that's what is. You can and should doubt what he said. You should test it. You should try to disprove it . That's what the scientific process demands. People from all over the world build, design , program, and make guaranteed results based on basic principles described by scientific laws and theories. Whenever they're disproved or discovered to be needing a revamp it doesn't matter who or where it comes from. If your new idea stands up to scrutiny then it can stand on its own.
George Washington carver, Charles drew, Neil degrass Tyson, Percy Julian, and MILLIONS of other scientists of African descent didnt accomplish any of what they did based simply on what some white guy said.
You're a whitey lover. There is absolutely no reason to listen to you about anything. Ever. You're a servant to whites. Listening to you is just as good as listening to whites. lol jeez
if she wants to challenge it she can try to disprove it, if she wants create a new model she has to prove it not just imagine it or say its based on white supremacy... if she is pushing for learning by doing instead by rote - I completely agree
Folks can get away with argument by assertion in safe spaces. It's never challenged. If you challenge in these safe spaces whether on a college campus or social media, you are attacked -- not the argument or the facts. Science isn't a safe space.
White supremacy is a problem, but some people are just taking shit too far when bringing science into it.
You just wanna argue. And you don't know how to. And you're full of shit. Just like her. And you're stupid. Just like her.
science is a religion. some cats belive science can never be wrong. they mistakenly equate it with objective reality. the mechanistic perspective is limited and eurocentric. immaterial realities can't be grasped by science alone. the law of opposites implies a subjective reality as well as an objective reality. and when the threshold between these realites is crossed eurocentric science falters.
Lol...I was wondering how this bum ass thread reached 3+ pages.
You are rumbling about things you do know, and you are the numbskull
because you believe that everything should have to fit socio-economic
construct you abide by. You are also very ignorant because you seem to
think that the concept of academic freedom is derived from American
universities. American universities have zero influence on what happens
in the former countries of the British Empire.
As for the LGBT bullshit, only dummies thinks that Africans cannot form
ideas of their own. To be honest, you whole opinion on this matter is one
riven with very evident condescension. It is if you think that an African
can be a university student, or that there is something inherently inferior
about African universities...
What is more, you are the person that I have called a homosexual..
that was a trap for you idiot, and you bit the very part I thought you would.Plus the post you just wrote about your own people was full of condecension. 90% of what you write here is, so who cares what you think?
You don't know what science is
Science can be seen religious, but as a natural rebel, I do not fall into your brush stroke on how you paint science.
Some people really do not understand science. Certain people are
dismissive of the education received In science, but want to enjoy the outcome of what science produce. That hypocritical thinking.
engineering technologically to create structures, transportation, wireless signals, radio, lights, and etc has a foundation of physics. Computer science have a foundation of mathematics and logic. Biological has a foundation as well.
See, all I'm seeing in these arguments in this thread is about what hasn't been proven with science, not what science has already done for society.
If your not living primitive, then your very likely using something that science has produced. Science is NOT all theory. If science is a religion, then it's the ONLY religion to prove AND produce anything.
Law of opposites is the same as Newton's third law. Call it what you want. The concepts are the exact same.
And finally, people do believe that science can be wrong. It's more wrong than it is right, but when it's right we use it and improve on it. Science can't explain everything with our current knowledge and some things are too chaotic to be explain.
some of y'all folks want to be so dismissive of the foundations of science but use it everyday in their lives.
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It's that simple. These people so mad at white people they can't even think straight lol. They really think white people OWN science and now they think you can just get rid of it and voila. No more white supremacy. Dumb as fuck.
I get the arguments about education influence, but you just can't do that with science. History? Yes. Science, not so much. There are social aspects of science I could argue all day long, such as psychology and sociology. Even the theoretical science can be argued. But anything math based, shares the same concepts world wide. It's observed the same way world wide. Used the same way. It's why a math teach can teach anywhere in the world with the same degree.
absolutely. This is why I AGREED with the people from this same university when they took the Cecil Rhodes statue down. We all understand the effects of colonialism and White supremacist bullshit. I'm always amazed at how entrenched colonial educations version of history is in all the African countries. Clearly the way that is taught has them misunderstanding what science is, and where certain principles come from, who and how they were discovered, so they think that the whole concept is White. It's not.
I remember taking a course on the history of mathematics. The Egyptians was by far the most advance civilization when it came to science and technology. The ONLY problem they had was their usage of hieroglyphics. Their numeric system was based 10 (which is what we use today)
Babylonian mathematics was based 60.
Ancient Greece mathematics was based 10 as well but that's because those fuckers was conquering all type of land and was claiming advancement of science and technology as theirs.
"As the Greek empire began to spread its sphere of influence into Asia Minor, Mesopotamia and beyond, the Greeks were smart enough to adopt and adapt useful elements from the societies they conquered. This was as true of their mathematics as anything else, and they adopted elements of mathematics from both the Babylonians and the Egyptians. But they soon started to make important contributions in their own right and, for the first time, we can acknowledge contributions by individuals. By the Hellenistic period, the Greeks had presided over one of the most dramatic and important revolutions in mathematical thought of all time.
http://www.storyofmathematics.com/greek.html"
Mayan Mathematics was based 20.
Ancient Chinese mathematics had their own efficient system, which is wide adopted today across all regions of the world.
The equivalent of today's version of 924 is 900+20+4. The main difference is how we symbolized numbers.
The point of all of this is that white supremacy has nothing to do with this history of science and mathematics. Most ancient civilizations had their own system. You can tell because they all had a different number system as shown above in the figures. So just imagine what ancient tribal civilizations used then. All that means that there was system of mathematics and science that people were developing. It wasn't until conquering of civilizations when mathematics and science began to grab some worldly uniformity. And with science and mathematics we look for ways to simply stuff, so the Hindu-Arabic numeric system was adopted because of it's notations and simplicity.
Now a simpler numeric system is adopted and civilizations can continue to advance in science and mathematics. Africa had a long reign in science and math. That reign eventually came to an end, but it NEVER left. Niggas just ain't got the time to be drawing out hieroglyphics and shit. Lol.
The numeric system shows that the concept of math reigned across the world. Some systems were not as efficient as others, so like science and technology allows us to do, it was changed and made simpler in understanding. This has nothing to do with colonialism and the idea the science is used to explain or making people believe a certain thing. These are the fallacies we put in our own head when our understanding about something is limited. Which I can understand that, but that does not alleviate the individual's responsibility to understand the history of science and mathematics instead of arguing it's some propaganda tactic to get people to think a certain way. PURE science doesn't work that way. Pseudo-Science does.
Sorry for the Colin.
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I am a scientist, you damn ignoramus. I know more about science
in my little finger than you will ever know in your deplorable and
desultory homosexual life
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That's true, but PHYSICAL science and math has nothing to do with that. SOCIAL Science is subjective to societies and more inline of colonialism.
We can dismiss race classification as it nothing more than someone's opinion that was scientifically accepted, but race can not be measured and very difficult to impossible to observe, which it may not apply to others.
There's different levels to science. Painting a broad stroke for science in general and how it relates to white supremacy is dismissing what our ancient ancestor has contributed to the world. When much of of what we contributed to the world is the foundation of our science and math today.
Nope.
That's all I get is a nope?
I've already said what i said. I don't need to keep going and going. Besides i like you and there's no reason to argue with you. Have 2 different views on a subject and i'm not getting into this with you of all people. Most of these dudes on here are shit. I'll gladly get into it with them until they show their abject hatred for women. Or at least join with me in abject hatred for whites. I know you don't.....so, Nope.
Only an idiot would ever accuse anyone of not accepting gravity.
If that girl did not believe in gravity, she would happily accede to being
thrown from a tall building, or to having a knife or a big rock held
over her head and let go. Even your dog would camper away if
menaced by such a prospect. The understanding of the physical
properties of nature, are intuitive, as Dr Leonard Suskind, the
famed professor of Quantum Mechanics st Stanford attests in one of
his lectures on classical physics, which anyone find on yotube. Newton
did not invent gravity; he merely defined that concept, within very narrow
limits, by simple mathematical formulae, and thereby rendered it more
predictable.
What they young lady is speaking to, whether she realises it or not, is
for Africans to institute their own investigation of physical phenomena
and arrive at their own knowledge. I understand her passion, and do
not agree with her. That would be doing duplicate work; we Africans
simply need to learn and exploit the knowledge already there for our
benefit; which is why she is that university
If that girl did not believe in gravity, she would happily accede to being
thrown from a tall building, or to having a knife or a big rock held
over her head and let go. Even your dog would camper away if
menaced by such a prospect. The understanding of the physical
properties of nature, are intuitive, as Dr Leonard Suskind, the
famed professor of Quantum Mechanics st Stanford attests in one of
his lectures on classical physics, which anyone find on yotube. Newton
did not invent gravity; he merely defined that concept, within very narrow
limits, by simple mathematical formulae, and thereby rendered it more
predictable.
What they young lady is speaking to, whether she realises it or not, is
for Africans to institute their own investigation of physical phenomena
and arrive at their own knowledge. I understand her passion, and do
not agree with her. That would be doing duplicate work; we Africans
simply need to learn and exploit the knowledge already there for our
benefit; which is why she is that university
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Why are you answering something that wasn't directed to you? You should be talking to that numbskull girl about science from an african perspective, not me. She's from your beloved Bantustan, so get on it.
that's all ya had to say. The numbskull of a girl wants to do duplicate work. I like how you tried to be gentle with her lol.
Good thing ya did or she would direct a lightening at you via black magic. I bet you're gonna tell me she didn't say that next.
I'd rather discuss something like this and watch someone make their argument for African contributions than what she said. It's as if she never heard of an african scientist and that's the sad part. THAT part , colonial education DOES have a lot to do with.I remember taking a course on the history of mathematics. The Egyptians was by far the most advance civilization when it came to science and technology. The ONLY problem they had was their usage of hieroglyphics. Their numeric system was based 10 (which is what we use today)
Babylonian mathematics was based 60.
Ancient Greece mathematics was based 10 as well but that's because those fuckers was conquering all type of land and was claiming advancement of science and technology as theirs.
"As the Greek empire began to spread its sphere of influence into Asia Minor, Mesopotamia and beyond, the Greeks were smart enough to adopt and adapt useful elements from the societies they conquered. This was as true of their mathematics as anything else, and they adopted elements of mathematics from both the Babylonians and the Egyptians. But they soon started to make important contributions in their own right and, for the first time, we can acknowledge contributions by individuals. By the Hellenistic period, the Greeks had presided over one of the most dramatic and important revolutions in mathematical thought of all time.
http://www.storyofmathematics.com/greek.html"
Mayan Mathematics was based 20.
Ancient Chinese mathematics had their own efficient system, which is wide adopted today across all regions of the world.
The equivalent of today's version of 924 is 900+20+4. The main difference is how we symbolized numbers.
The point of all of this is that white supremacy has nothing to do with this history of science and mathematics. Most ancient civilizations had their own system. You can tell because they all had a different number system as shown above in the figures. So just imagine what ancient tribal civilizations used then. All that means that there was system of mathematics and science that people were developing. It wasn't until conquering of civilizations when mathematics and science began to grab some worldly uniformity. And with science and mathematics we look for ways to simply stuff, so the Hindu-Arabic numeric system was adopted because of it's notations and simplicity.
Now a simpler numeric system is adopted and civilizations can continue to advance in science and mathematics. Africa had a long reign in science and math. That reign eventually came to an end, but it NEVER left. Niggas just ain't got the time to be drawing out hieroglyphics and shit. Lol.
The numeric system shows that the concept of math reigned across the world. Some systems were not as efficient as others, so like science and technology allows us to do, it was changed and made simpler in understanding. This has nothing to do with colonialism and the idea the science is used to explain or making people believe a certain thing. These are the fallacies we put in our own head when our understanding about something is limited. Which I can understand that, but that does not alleviate the individual's responsibility to understand the history of science and mathematics instead of arguing it's some propaganda tactic to get people to think a certain way. PURE science doesn't work that way. Pseudo-Science does.
Sorry for the Colin.
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