HBO's Westworld (Official) Season 4 discussion thread (Full trailer 6/16/22) drops 6/26/22

in a previous loop it was buried
in a previous loop it was in her bedroom
the gun she used in the ep was taken from Trevor - he had his gun when he grabbed her up but he didn't have it when she was holding it in the hay - thats why he was looking for it.
in a previous loop she was shot after
Also notice when Trevor snatched her up he said "no one to interrupt us this time"
she replied, "this time?"


Bernard can't stop it - he could wipe her but what about the rest of the hosts that are remembering? or even worse LEARNING

the runaway host sought freedom and choose destruction over return... he wasn't able to go against code to hurt or kill but reasoned away out


Bernard could stop it if he was real. He'd recall everyone and go back on the new update. That's killing everything. But he won't.
The free will to not listen to the commands is exactly what they don't want. Ol girl is on it and has seen it first hand... hopefully Bernard will listen now
 
Bernard could stop it if he was real. He'd recall everyone and go back on the new update. That's killing everything. But he won't.
The free will to not listen to the commands is exactly what they don't want. Ol girl is on it and has seen it first hand... hopefully Bernard will listen now
no he can't - He can't even isolate the cause. They rolled back the update in ep 1- but you see its still spreading
Ford could stop it... but why would he stop what he started.
its like a self replicating virus / worm spreading through networked devices - even if 'Nard wiped every host - without inoculation it would only spread again...
Nard works for and reports to Ford not the chick - so its very unlikely that he would rat on him - in that situation I wouldn't either
 
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no he can't - He can't even isolate the cause. They rolled back the update in ep 1- but you see its still spreading
Ford could stop it... but why would he stop what he started.
its like a self replicating virus / worm spreading through networked devices - even if 'Nard wiped every host - without inoculation it would only spread again...
Nard works for and reports to Ford not the chick - so its very unlikely that he would rat on him - in that situation I wouldn't either

He didn't do it fully, just with the ones that were exhibiting the behavior. the others weren't checked. and then when delores and the others started he started nurturing it.
Ford knew this would happen. Feels like he wants his old friends work to come to fruition.
I wasn't saying that he answers to her, she tried to explain this to him before she went out in the field to track down the guy I am saying maybe now he's take her more seriously as opposed to telling her to stick to doing things that's actually in her job description.
 
He didn't do it fully, just with the ones that were exhibiting the behavior. the others weren't checked. and then when delores and the others started he started nurturing it.
Ford knew this would happen. Feels like he wants his old friends work to come to fruition.
I wasn't saying that he answers to her, she tried to explain this to him before she went out in the field to track down the guy I am saying maybe now he's take her more seriously as opposed to telling her to stick to doing things that's actually in her job description.
rewatch the first ep - they only rolled out the update to 10% or 200 hosts - they used the bank robbery to cover the recall of the 200.
in Ep2 Nard saw that the rollback didn't fix it and by ep3 started focusing on D as the oldest working host and probably cause she is in the most locked in loop that resets in less than 24 hours, to understand what went wrong and in the process kept finding more abnormalities and self actualization in her functions. So he started looking for the HOW and WHY, not nurture. In last night's ep I think he just moved on to nurture to see how far it develops.

So Nard wasn't poopooing the girl that works for him - he is trying to protect her from blowback of what he is doing or fallout because of Ford - everything she was telling him, for the most part, he already observed in D.
 
New Westworld Theory: Who Is The Man In Black


Westworld is shaping up to be HBO's next big hit series, airing in the ever-popular Sunday night timeslot occupied by Game of Thrones 10 times per year and previously held by The Sopranos and Six Feet Under.

The series comes from producer J.J. Abrams which partially explains why it is shrouded in mystery similar to his 2004 endeavor with LOST.

For now, the biggest questions of the show are regarding who Ed Harris' Man in Black. Who is he? What does he want? Where did he come from?

There are a few facts we have to lay out before we can answer those questions but answer them we most certainly will.


Harris' character has been on an unstoppable warpath with all of Westworld's hosts. He intimately interacts with the hosts around him but, almost always, ends up killing them in brutal fashion with zero remorse.

Numerous times the character has expressed interest in finding his way out of "the maze." Still, no one else seems to be talking about this maze despite clues being embedded on the inside of other hosts' scalps.

The bullets of Westworld are only strong enough to penetrate the "flesh" of the hosts which is designed to be weaker than human flesh. This was best displayed when Jimmi Simpson's William was shot in the streets standing up for Clementine. He was merely injured as though he were shot by a paintball gun or rubber bullet, at best, but his gun took out his enemy in all of his bloody glory.

Furthermore, only a small number of hosts have access to weapons like an axe because such objects can do damage to both human guests and hosts.

Along the way, hosts have defended themselves against the Man in Black but their resistance is futile as the bullets manufactured for their guns do no damage to him. Many viewers are taking this fact as signifying the Man in Black to be a rogue human guest.

The prevailing theory of Westworld's Man in Black claims that he is a much older version of William trapped in the environment with the stories being told during different timelines. Sure, that would be very J.J. Abrams of them, but it's not the theory this writer is buying into, and it's false because security has previously been seen watching him on the security cameras in real time.

westworld-man-in-black-ed-harris-205987.jpeg

Here's what is really going on with the Man in Black...

Westworld's Man in Black has to be one of the first (if not the first) host to be unleashed in the environment.

Somewhere along the way, the Man in Black's wave of hosts was recalled in their entirety but he was left behind and thought to be deactivated or otherwise found a way to fly under the radar, posing as a human guest. The security team behind Westworld has stopped tracking him, as a result, and in that time he has developed consciousness without his hardware being reset after regular conversations.

Back when Westworld was first created, the idea of humans killing hosts and hosts killing hosts was undeveloped. The hosts were made from stronger (probably more expensive) material. Once the idea of introducing storylines which required gun fights and death, the invincible wave of hosts was recalled. Except the Man in Black.

Over his years in the controlled environment, the Man in Black has searched for both clues to the maze in other hosts skulls and information about the outside world from their hard drives. One example is Dolores' memory of him attacking her in the barn. Either he was simply a part of the story line taking place a long time ago and the memory still haunts her or he tossed her into the barn to carve into her head and pull information about her conversations with Jeffrey Wright's Bernard Lowe and others living in the free world.

Don't forget: the first episode of Westworld was called, "The Original." Such a title could indicate what the entire series is about: Ed Harris' Man in Black. The original host, the original sentient robot, and the first host to develop consciousness.

The only argument against the theory is Bernard talking to Dolores, calling her the oldest host in Westworld. She may be the oldest as far as Bernard knows but may not be the original host. Keep in mind, Anthony Hopkins' Dr. Robert Ford has a few tricks up his sleeve. The Man in Black may have been his curveball for the new world as his ego and curiosity allowed him to create a monster, one way or another making him the original host who has found a conscious desire to survive.

Westworld airs Sundays at 9 p.m. ET on HBO.

http://comicbook.com/2016/10/18/westworld-who-is-the-man-in-black/
 
Entire premise of this episode was who was in control.
In the elevator when they're going to retrieve the rogue dude in the pit, the catcher says to the woman that the only thing keeping the hosts from hacking the guests is 1 line of code.
Also when they got to the posse chilling, only 1 person was programmed to be able to handle the axe, the other hosts literally couldn't do it
like delores literally could not pull the trigger.
the entire world is built on 2 fragile things that are falling apart.

1, the ability to remember. they aren't supposed to remember what happened to them or what stories they're in. not remember the loop otherwise their 'sanity' would go haywire.
that is happening. Delores remembers. Thandie remembers, and sees the things she saw outside of the world in flashbacks
The guy with the milk remembered, he killed everyone that killed in him other story lines.

2. Who can and cannot hurt guests and how. The guns cannot hurt the guests but the axe's etc can. 1 line of code is preventing them from taking those and stabbing up people like the fat guy did when they got ambushed.

if those 2 things start happening in a large quantity westworld is basically jurrasic park..
all the hosts programmed to be bad guys that can't harm guests, will just be plain bad guys.. and guests will get killed
also if you remember who killed you, then you're going to kill them.
also if you remember the loop, you're not going to do the same thing over and over again because you know better.


the rabbit hole moment once again is, you can't tell who's a guest and who's a host until the guns come out

and most of us don't realize we're on the same loop everyday
we're hosts too.

Your last line was mind blowing and true...
 
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in a previous loop it was buried
in a previous loop it was in her bedroom
the gun she used in the ep was taken from Trevor - he had his gun when he grabbed her up but he didn't have it when she was holding it in the hay - thats why he was looking for it.
in a previous loop she was shot after
Also notice when Trevor snatched her up he said "no one to interrupt us this time"
she replied, "this time?"


Bernard can't stop it - he could wipe her but what about the rest of the hosts that are remembering? or even worse LEARNING

the runaway host sought freedom and choose destruction over return... he wasn't able to go against code to hurt or kill but reasoned away out

Man I think you are 100 percent right as to the timeline of the loops.
 
rewatch the first ep - they only rolled out the update to 10% or 200 hosts - they used the bank robbery to cover the recall of the 200.
in Ep2 Nard saw that the rollback didn't fix it and by ep3 started focusing on D as the oldest working host and probably cause she is in the most locked in loop that resets in less than 24 hours, to understand what went wrong and in the process kept finding more abnormalities and self actualization in her functions. So he started looking for the HOW and WHY, not nurture. In last night's ep I think he just moved on to nurture to see how far it develops.

So Nard wasn't poopooing the girl that works for him - he is trying to protect her from blowback of what he is doing or fallout because of Ford - everything she was telling him, for the most part, he already observed in D.

There's a disconnect. I didn't mean it like he's shitting on her. Or in a negative tone. I know very well it wasn't that. It was exactly what it looks like, he's nurturing what's happening to see where it goes.
I'm saying with the latest development it might be a flag he can't ignore. (We know he is because otherwise there wouldn't be a season and multiple seasons on deck)
 
New Westworld Theory: Who Is The Man In Black


Westworld is shaping up to be HBO's next big hit series, airing in the ever-popular Sunday night timeslot occupied by Game of Thrones 10 times per year and previously held by The Sopranos and Six Feet Under.

The series comes from producer J.J. Abrams which partially explains why it is shrouded in mystery similar to his 2004 endeavor with LOST.

For now, the biggest questions of the show are regarding who Ed Harris' Man in Black. Who is he? What does he want? Where did he come from?

There are a few facts we have to lay out before we can answer those questions but answer them we most certainly will.


Harris' character has been on an unstoppable warpath with all of Westworld's hosts. He intimately interacts with the hosts around him but, almost always, ends up killing them in brutal fashion with zero remorse.

Numerous times the character has expressed interest in finding his way out of "the maze." Still, no one else seems to be talking about this maze despite clues being embedded on the inside of other hosts' scalps.

The bullets of Westworld are only strong enough to penetrate the "flesh" of the hosts which is designed to be weaker than human flesh. This was best displayed when Jimmi Simpson's William was shot in the streets standing up for Clementine. He was merely injured as though he were shot by a paintball gun or rubber bullet, at best, but his gun took out his enemy in all of his bloody glory.

Furthermore, only a small number of hosts have access to weapons like an axe because such objects can do damage to both human guests and hosts.

Along the way, hosts have defended themselves against the Man in Black but their resistance is futile as the bullets manufactured for their guns do no damage to him. Many viewers are taking this fact as signifying the Man in Black to be a rogue human guest.

The prevailing theory of Westworld's Man in Black claims that he is a much older version of William trapped in the environment with the stories being told during different timelines. Sure, that would be very J.J. Abrams of them, but it's not the theory this writer is buying into, and it's false because security has previously been seen watching him on the security cameras in real time.

westworld-man-in-black-ed-harris-205987.jpeg

Here's what is really going on with the Man in Black...

Westworld's Man in Black has to be one of the first (if not the first) host to be unleashed in the environment.

Somewhere along the way, the Man in Black's wave of hosts was recalled in their entirety but he was left behind and thought to be deactivated or otherwise found a way to fly under the radar, posing as a human guest. The security team behind Westworld has stopped tracking him, as a result, and in that time he has developed consciousness without his hardware being reset after regular conversations.

Back when Westworld was first created, the idea of humans killing hosts and hosts killing hosts was undeveloped. The hosts were made from stronger (probably more expensive) material. Once the idea of introducing storylines which required gun fights and death, the invincible wave of hosts was recalled. Except the Man in Black.

Over his years in the controlled environment, the Man in Black has searched for both clues to the maze in other hosts skulls and information about the outside world from their hard drives. One example is Dolores' memory of him attacking her in the barn. Either he was simply a part of the story line taking place a long time ago and the memory still haunts her or he tossed her into the barn to carve into her head and pull information about her conversations with Jeffrey Wright's Bernard Lowe and others living in the free world.

Don't forget: the first episode of Westworld was called, "The Original." Such a title could indicate what the entire series is about: Ed Harris' Man in Black. The original host, the original sentient robot, and the first host to develop consciousness.

The only argument against the theory is Bernard talking to Dolores, calling her the oldest host in Westworld. She may be the oldest as far as Bernard knows but may not be the original host. Keep in mind, Anthony Hopkins' Dr. Robert Ford has a few tricks up his sleeve. The Man in Black may have been his curveball for the new world as his ego and curiosity allowed him to create a monster, one way or another making him the original host who has found a conscious desire to survive.

Westworld airs Sundays at 9 p.m. ET on HBO.

http://comicbook.com/2016/10/18/westworld-who-is-the-man-in-black/

I could almost get behind this theory except for the fact that I could have sworn that the security detail called him a guest.

I'm still following in line with William ending up becoming the man in black..... until I see a moment where William and one the present staff of Westworld interacting with him.
 
I also love how this show is opening questions and creates discussion..... like Fringe and lost. It really reminds you that JJ Abrams and company are some talented people. They are masters at doing this.


Also did anyone catch the song that was played this episode.
 
There's a disconnect. I didn't mean it like he's shitting on her. Or in a negative tone. I know very well it wasn't that. It was exactly what it looks like, he's nurturing what's happening to see where it goes.
I'm saying with the latest development it might be a flag he can't ignore. (We know he is because otherwise there wouldn't be a season and multiple seasons on deck)
I don't see a blind eye - in Nard I see an engineer trying to do root cause analysis while also acutely aware of the organizational politics, and ass covering of those he works with and the profit based motives of the company. He is in a situation that if he does his job openly, it can get him fired or maybe worse, but if he goes along, staff and guests could be injured maimed or killed
 
how is it that mousy white bitch w/ the eyes is so ugly yet so hot @ the same damn time???

First I thought that she was the boy (who was a girl) in the riddick movies....just based on her crazy eyes.

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Then I remember a couple of the shows that I saw her on. She is the queen of 1 off roles. I am glad to see that she landed a role that lasts for more than 2 episodes.
Almost woke up the entire city....thanks.
 
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In the very beginning of episode 1 they show a shot of james mardsen on the train, but you can hear (and barely catch a glimpse of ) ed harris' character talking about coming to the park. He said that he played the evil role and it was the best 2 weeks of his life. I only noticed this when I watched ep1 for the 2nd time.

There are so many subtle details and gems hidden in this show like the motifs of the flies on faces (they would not harm a living thing). I am gonna watch every episode more than once.
 
In the very beginning of episode 1 they show a shot of james mardsen on the train, but you can hear (and barely catch a glimpse of ) ed harris' character talking about coming to the park. He said that he played the evil role and it was the best 2 weeks of his life. I only noticed this when I watched ep1 for the 2nd time.

There are so many subtle details and gems hidden in this show like the motifs of the flies on faces (they would not harm a living thing). I am gonna watch every episode more than once.

I'm going to have to rewatch that episode as soon as I get home.. With fresh eyes.
 
I'm going to have to rewatch that episode as soon as I get home.. With fresh eyes.

My mistake, it was not EH's character. It was another man who was dressed in all black.

I am reminded of how in a latter episode they showed how the guests got to choose their attire. And I am also reminded of the lines from one of the two coworkers (William & Logan) who said I want to see who you become. And the speech from Dr. Ford when he shot down the new theme idea from Hector...and reiterated his belief that it was all about the people.

A slight hint of foreshadowing....IMHO?

Maybe, just planting some subliminal seeds. I dunno.
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This show, like the Matrix before it, has more people questioning human existence; it gets you thinking.

granted I was toasted af but when watching it fri. nite shit had me thinking for a minute what if I'm a robot and all this shit is scripted...show def sparks the imagination
 
tonight's episode was great - jammed with story and new detail - I need to watch it again...
this is very quickly becoming a favorite of mine
 
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tonight's episode was great - jammed with story and new detail - I need to watch it again...
this is very quickly becoming a favorite of mine
I need to watch it again too because I didn't understand the whole conversation between Dr. Ford and Theresa.
 
tonight's episode was great - jammed with story and new detail - I need to watch it again...
this is very quickly becoming a favorite of mine

Man there was almost too much detail going on in this episode..

But it looks like we can confirm that the man in Black is a guest, but now I'm leaning on Ford being a host. It appears that he has some kind of mental control over all the hosts.
 
Man there was almost too much detail going on in this episode..

But it looks like we can confirm that the man in Black is a guest, but now I'm leaning on Ford being a host. It appears that he has some kind of mental control over all the hosts.
gesture control -remember how he controlled the snake in ep2? and relay, hosts can relay commands from him or control
Also consider that he has multiple schedules / tasks pre programmed on that project - but he really flexxed on the chick- straight god like

next week's preview? gunslinger & ford:itsawrap:

Arnold is the only person to die in the park?
The ending with Thandie Newton?
This episode had so many little moments pulled from video games...
Also seems Ford is setting the table for gunslinger- Ford starts a new story last ep and gunslinger is following the threads
 
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I knew when I saw JJ Abrams name on this shit it was gonna be crazy. I'm bout to go back and watch em all again from the beginning.
 
I think we can also confirm that Deloris is running on multiple loops right now and we are witnesses based on the first scene. So we can't look at any scene with Deloris as if it is running with the present loop.
 
granted I was toasted af but when watching it fri. nite shit had me thinking for a minute what if I'm a robot and all this shit is scripted...show def sparks the imagination
We are but we are just living, the force is playing with humanity and alien life all over the universe. In fact there has been an infinite amount of earth's through time. Big bangs come and go over and over and over. Life ends and begins on a cycle. We been here before.!!
 
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