Superteams usually underperform - will Durant's Warriors be different?

That's what hurt steph in the finals..dude didn't go to lane as much..but I think he will learn from that..the team could easily average 120 per game

that's it. You really want Curry to adopt Durant's driving. You might be able to deal with them if theyre only shooting 3s... if you have Curry and Durant driving, you ain't beating these muthafuckas in a 7 game series.
 
I am more in line with this, at least the first part...
If I was the Warriors I would replace Barns with a guy who takes less shots but do other things like play better defense and get rebounds..
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But that's what they did though family lol
Durant is efficient. he doesn't need 25 shots to be effect. he only averaged 19 last year as the 1/1a option.
He is a better defender and more versatile than barnes
and he is a better rebounder on both ends of the court than barnes.
And the warriors play better when green doesn't have to score. when he can pick and choose his spots and stuff the stats that's when we're clicking on all cylinders and actually he prefers it that way. he scores when we need someone to pick up the team as he's not going to let us just lose. every game he dropped 25+ is a game that was close or we lost because everyone else wasn't stepping up and he wasn't going to let us lose
but if everyone else is scoring he's more than happy with just 6 points. that's what makes him so special.
 
That's what hurt steph in the finals..dude didn't go to lane as much..but I think he will learn from that..the team could easily average 120 per game

i thought he learned it after what the spurs did. but i don't think he was 100% he wasn't hurt in the finals but i damn sure don't think he was 100% from a sprained mcl
him being smedium wasn't because of his athletic ability it was because of his fight and intensity level he played at that didn't match klay's or draymond's intensity.
 
imagine end of game "must foul" situations where three of the four muthafuckas on the court (minus the inbounds man) damn near shoot 90 percent
 
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that's it. You really want Curry to adopt Durant's driving. You might be able to deal with them if theyre only shooting 3s... if you have Curry and Durant driving, you ain't beating these muthafuckas in a 7 game series.
I always said this about K.D. you play him with a smaller player with quick hands, someone like Shumpert, disrupting his jumper off the transfer after the dribble, then when he hits the hole, you trap him forcing him to either shoot into traffic or pass on the move.. Sure he is going to score some points when he beats the defense however he will make his share of turnovers, especially off of charges due to his tall lanky body not being as agile and being able to move out of the way of the defense..
This is how the Heat played him and how every LeBron James team has done, and is the reason why his team won just about every meeting against him...
 
But that's what they did though family lol
Durant is efficient. he doesn't need 25 shots to be effect. he only averaged 19 last year as the 1/1a option.
He is a better defender and more versatile than barnes
and he is a better rebounder on both ends of the court than barnes.
And the warriors play better when green doesn't have to score. when he can pick and choose his spots and stuff the stats that's when we're clicking on all cylinders and actually he prefers it that way. he scores when we need someone to pick up the team as he's not going to let us just lose. every game he dropped 25+ is a game that was close or we lost because everyone else wasn't stepping up and he wasn't going to let us lose
but if everyone else is scoring he's more than happy with just 6 points. that's what makes him so special.
When KD isn't touchign the ball he isn't doing much... This is why he has lost with some of the greatest talent on his team..
 
that's it. You really want Curry to adopt Durant's driving. You might be able to deal with them if theyre only shooting 3s... if you have Curry and Durant driving, you ain't beating these muthafuckas in a 7 game series.

Trust you gonna see Steph drive more next season too watch I mean not like he didn't know how too
 
On paper how much better is K.D., Curry, Thompson and Green better than K.D., Harden, Jackson, Westbrook and Ibaka???? And what did they do??
 
When KD isn't touchign the ball he isn't doing much... This is why he has lost with some of the greatest talent on his team..

Well that's just a lie lol he does so much already because he played with a ball dominant point guard. never in a system with ball movement. So yea just imagine running double screens and flares and pick and rolls and shit for him and post ups and stuff where he can pass or shoot instead of that same old ass pin down screen to get him the ball at the elbow of the free throw line 100 times a game lmao
 
I always said this about K.D. you play him with a smaller player with quick hands, someone like Shumpert, disrupting his jumper off the transfer after the dribble, then when he hits the hole, you trap him forcing him to either shoot into traffic or pass on the move.. Sure he is going to score some points when he beats the defense however he will make his share of turnovers, especially off of charges due to his tall lanky body not being as agile and being able to move out of the way of the defense..
This is how the Heat played him and how every LeBron James team has done, and is the reason why his team won just about every meeting against him...

i hope they do trap him and every team traps him leaving either steph or klay wide open for a 3
please do.
 
Well that's just a lie lol he does so much already because he played with a ball dominant point guard. never in a system with ball movement. So yea just imagine running double screens and flares and pick and rolls and shit for him and post ups and stuff where he can pass or shoot instead of that same old ass pin down screen to get him the ball at the elbow of the free throw line 100 times a game lmao
Now he is going to play on shoot first domination system, a bunch of guys who have the green light to shoot as much and damn near where ever they feel... And for us to sit back and think they are going to change what they do to accommodate K.D. that shit is crazy, aseptically with the captain and main guy being so underpaid, and may not be willing to change his game, jeopardizing his future earning for a guy who is getting almost twice his salary, especially knowing damn well he is a much better player...
If this hold to form, then Durant will move from the Beta dog house to the Gamma dog house, and in my opinion he ain't mentally cut out for it...
 
i hope they do trap him and every team traps him leaving either steph or klay wide open for a 3
please do.
You trap him in the paint, not when he's outside... With Durant the more he dribbles, even on one on one the less effective he is...
As far as passing in trafic in the paint, this is his big weakness, so getting the ball to Curry and Thompson will be a challenge, especially with their defender playing the passing lane anticipating that pass (at least thats what I'd be doing)...
 
Now he is going to play on shoot first domination system, a bunch of guys who have the green light to shoot as much and damn near where ever they feel... And for us to sit back and think they are going to change what they do to accommodate K.D. that shit is crazy, aseptically with the captain and main guy being so underpaid, and may not be willing to change his game, jeopardizing his future earning for a guy who is getting almost twice his salary, especially knowing damn well he is a much better player...
If this hold to form, then Durant will move from the Beta dog house to the Gamma dog house, and in my opinion he ain't mentally cut out for it...

stop making shit up.
thanks.
 
You trap him in the paint, not when he's outside... With Durant the more he dribbles, even on one on one the less effective he is...
As far as passing in trafic in the paint, this is his big weakness, so getting the ball to Curry and Thompson will be a challenge, especially with their defender playing the passing lane anticipating that pass (at least thats what I'd be doing)...
Green is much better at doing this, because this is his game......
 
leaving shooters open
have a good day.
You'd be traping usually with the guy defending the center or who ever is protecting the rim... But with Durant instead of trying to block his shot, you try to pick up the charge (something he is prone to do, or pick off the pass, that he has trouble making in traffic)... At one time the Warriors did that shit to him and KD damn near turned over the ball ever time he touched it..
Don't believe me pull up the old KC Warrior threads and read my comments then....
 
This is how the Heat played him and how every LeBron James team has done, and is the reason why his team won just about every meeting against him...

Lebron's squad didn't beat the Thunder because they stopped Durant. Lebron's teams beat the Thunder because the Thunder have never had anyone who could even remotely make Lebron uncomfortable.
 
They are a shoot first team, and are allowed to shoot anytime they feel hot.... What part of that do you feel is a lie???

they are a pass first team and pass the ball around before they do anything getting into good offense.
once someone gets hot the entire team works to get the person that is on fire the ball.
that is remarkably different than what you're trying to portray. like they all have the mindset of coming down and just firing up shots because everybody does it.
thanks.
 
You'd be traping usually with the guy defending the center or who ever is protecting the rim... But with Durant instead of trying to block his shot, you try to pick up the charge (something he is prone to do, or pick off the pass, that he has trouble making in traffic)... At one time the Warriors did that shit to him and KD damn near turned over the ball ever time he touched it..
Don't believe me pull up the old KC Warrior threads and read my comments then....

cool trap him let green finish by the rim.
 
Lebron's squad didn't beat the Thunder because they stopped Durant. Lebron's teams beat the Thunder because the Thunder have never had anyone who could even remotely make Lebron uncomfortable.
Thats my point, you don't invest that much energy trying to stop him, most of his points are meaningless taking away from other players... I said after game two, I would let him score 70 if I could, just as long as the other better players don't get off and score...
Also Durants high scoring games, are usually accompanied with high turn overs and bad misses that lead to easy ass point the other way... This is a common trait of all of his teams he played on, no matter who was in the lineup...
 
they are a pass first team and pass the ball around before they do anything getting into good offense.
once someone gets hot the entire team works to get the person that is on fire the ball.
that is remarkably different than what you're trying to portray. like they all have the mindset of coming down and just firing up shots because everybody does it.
thanks.
Yes they did pass and yes they do a ton of pick and rolls and movement off the ball, but all is that is to free the shooter so he can shoot.. Even with Durant on the club Curry and Thompson will still be one and two when it comes to those pick and rolls, due to them being much better comming off the curls, Green will still be the guy handleling the rock, he makes better decisions, while Durant will be the guy on the wing waiting for the kick out, your basic Kevin Love, JR Smith, Bosh roll....
 
Keep in mind, when folks was ready to crown the Spurs the best team in the NBA, last off season, after they got WEst and L.A. I was the only one to point out the redundancy in that team, followed with, they will only go as far as the play of their guards...
 
, I would let him score 70 if I could, just as long as the other better players don't get off and score...
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That doesn't happen though. Durant is one of the best defenders in the NBA on shots challenged. Literally he ranks #1.

I think you're arguing a lot of different things, haphazardly.

The thunder upgraded Barnes for Durant. There isn't any circumstances where you can't argue that isn't a substantial upgrade across the board.

If you're arguing about stopping Lebron. Neither barnes or durant was getting that call anyway.

The question is with Durant, is it possible for that offense to go 5 minutes straight without scoring like it did in game 7. Is it possible.. yeah? is it probable, not likely.
 
Keep in mind, when folks was ready to crown the Spurs the best team in the NBA, last off season, after they got WEst and L.A. I was the only one to point out the redundancy in that team, followed with, they will only go as far as the play of their guards...

Wasn't no redundancy... them niggas just old and ran out of gas at the end of the season.
 
That doesn't happen though. Durant is one of the best defenders in the NBA on shots challenged. Literally he ranks #1.

I think you're arguing a lot of different things, haphazardly.

The thunder upgraded Barnes for Durant. There isn't any circumstances where you can't argue that isn't a substantial upgrade across the board.

If you're arguing about stopping Lebron. Neither barnes or durant was getting that call anyway.

The question is with Durant, is it possible for that offense to go 5 minutes straight without scoring like it did in game 7. Is it possible.. yeah? is it probable, not likely.
You keep throwing out all these stats except his failures in every big game... Yes Durant is a freak of nature who feast off of lesser talent, and I expect him to continue this trend, but vs capable opponents who can bite back, well yall see what he usually does...
Again go back to the OKC Warriors thread and read some of those comments...
 
Wasn't no redundancy... them niggas just old and ran out of gas at the end of the season.
Too many players playing the same position and same roll with not enough talent to give them the ball making them better... I called it when everyone was jocking them the same way they are now jocking the Warriors now...
 
Too many players playing the same position and same roll with not enough talent to give them the ball making them better... I called it when everyone was jocking them the same way they are now jocking the Warriors now...

They don't have too many people playing the same position :lol: They have an old core that's an average of 35 years old and ran out of gas :lol:
 
I'm been calling out Durant for years. You're still wrong about the specific things you're saying.. like proposing a pure shooter going to a team of pure shooters is going to DROP in shooting percentage. That's silly.

(that's from 3 years ag0)

http://www.bgol.us/forum/index.php?...r-playoff-thread.732285/page-10#post-12965785
No this is not what I am saying, I am saying that rhythm shooters like Durant need their touches and sometime needs to have the freedom of shooting their way out of slumps...
How many times have you seen players like Kobe, Durant or Curry start off of for 7 then from no where they string off 5 strait makes, only to wind up 10 out of 20 shooting... This is how most of these players games go... But with fewer touches there will be fewer opportunity to capture that momentum, to me this is the biggest obstacle players like Love, Bosh, JR Smith and Barnes face...
But there is no rating for this in NBA 2K so many will not grasp...
 
There is no argument for this not being an upgrade. They upgraded Barnes to Durant who does EVERYTHING better than Barnes.

I still think they're going to be soft in the middle, but that's a different argument...Bogut didn't log a lot of minutes but he was very meaningful to this team. I'm not convinced Zaza is the answer.
 
Conventional wisdom would say that, but unlike OKC where he was allowed to shoot any time he wants having a feel to when he was hot or cold, here he is going to be forced to play the Kevin Love roll, that is shoot when the team needs you to shoot, with out the luxury of being that hands on the ball guy who can pick and choose...
This is why I never killed Love as much as most people, especially after seeing him adjust to his roll by focusing on rebounding and doing other things off the ball, to help his team win..
Man KD will have the option to shoot anytime he wants and will be the first option.
 
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