It was a weird statement wasn't it?
Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?
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I know what he means, just fucking with him
I think all the other houses were thinking the same because really they let a 10 yr old girl call them all out.......
Shame.....She's harsh, but she tells the truth.I think all the other houses were thinking the same because really they let a 10 yr old girl call them all out.......
He doesn't!
Silly ass people.
It's fantasy & on TV to boot.
$ on jamie or tyrion?
Game of Thrones Showrunners Confirm There Are Only 15 Episodes Left, Max
The rumors have swirled for a while now. Various people who have worked on the show have dropped hints. But now David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, Game of Thrones’ showrunners, have officially, irrevocably confirmed that we only have 15 episodes of the show left... at most. Probably less.
Here’s Benioff during an interview with Deadline about Sunday’s season six finale:
It’s two more seasons we’re talking about. From pretty close to the beginning, we talked about doing this in 70-75 hours, and that’s what we’ll end up with. Call it 73 for now.
While it’s a bummer to know for certain that the show is that close to being over, Benioff makes a compelling case for ending it sooner rather than later:
We’re trying to tell one cohesive story with a beginning, middle and end. As Dan said, we’ve known the end for quite some time and we’re hurtling towards it. Those last images from the show that aired last night showed that. Daenerys is finally coming back to Westeros; Jon Snow is king of the North and Cersei is sitting on the Iron Throne. And we know the Night King is up there, waiting for all of them. The pieces are on the board now. Some of the pieces have been removed from the board and we are heading toward the end game.
The thing that has excited us from the beginning, back to the way we pitched it to HBO is, it’s not supposed to be an ongoing show, where every season it’s trying to figure out new story lines. We wanted it to be one giant story, without padding it out to add an extra 10 hours, or because people are still watching it. We wanted to something where, if people watched it end to end, it would make sense as one continuous story. We’re definitely heading into the end game now.
I suppose HBO, using the traditional dump trucks full of cash, could still convince Benioff and Weiss to extend the show to two full seasons, but here’s the thing: If they were going to do that, I feel like they would have succeeded at it by now. Or if they were still negotiating, Benioff and Weiss wouldn’t be unequivocally announcing that the final seasons would be shortened—they’d be cagey about it.
So that’s it—only 13 episodes left. Maybe 15 if we’re lucky.
The rumors have swirled for a while now. Various people who have worked on the show have dropped hints. But now David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, Game of Thrones’ showrunners, have officially, irrevocably confirmed that we only have 15 episodes of the show left... at most. Probably less.
Here’s Benioff during an interview with Deadline about Sunday’s season six finale:
It’s two more seasons we’re talking about. From pretty close to the beginning, we talked about doing this in 70-75 hours, and that’s what we’ll end up with. Call it 73 for now.
While it’s a bummer to know for certain that the show is that close to being over, Benioff makes a compelling case for ending it sooner rather than later:
We’re trying to tell one cohesive story with a beginning, middle and end. As Dan said, we’ve known the end for quite some time and we’re hurtling towards it. Those last images from the show that aired last night showed that. Daenerys is finally coming back to Westeros; Jon Snow is king of the North and Cersei is sitting on the Iron Throne. And we know the Night King is up there, waiting for all of them. The pieces are on the board now. Some of the pieces have been removed from the board and we are heading toward the end game.
The thing that has excited us from the beginning, back to the way we pitched it to HBO is, it’s not supposed to be an ongoing show, where every season it’s trying to figure out new story lines. We wanted it to be one giant story, without padding it out to add an extra 10 hours, or because people are still watching it. We wanted to something where, if people watched it end to end, it would make sense as one continuous story. We’re definitely heading into the end game now.
I suppose HBO, using the traditional dump trucks full of cash, could still convince Benioff and Weiss to extend the show to two full seasons, but here’s the thing: If they were going to do that, I feel like they would have succeeded at it by now. Or if they were still negotiating, Benioff and Weiss wouldn’t be unequivocally announcing that the final seasons would be shortened—they’d be cagey about it.
So that’s it—only 13 episodes left. Maybe 15 if we’re lucky.
I think all the other houses were thinking the same because really they let a 10 yr old girl call them all out.......
that's how you know she's the hardest out.
they were all soft until she spoke up and told them what it is. they perfectly cast that little girl for sure.
my money is on jamie. tyrion might do it but that would mean that jamie is dead.
Ellaria Sand ....? ...
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posed nude back in the day....i may be late...lol
is this her...or look-a-like..?
EDIT..shit maybe fake...i think this is Met ART shoot...smh...well Kama shit is real..
but let me do some more digging...
Kama Sutra (1996)
so she was like 23 here...
Kama sutra is one of my favorite movies.
Quite an explosive end to another engaging season of Game of Thrones... went out with a bang. I only watched the first season of GOT due to BGOL and this post calling it Sopranos in chains (and I'm hooked) Winter is here and the Night King has his army doing layup lines, but few in the 7 kingdoms seem concerned. Most still fighting over the Iron Throne and the status it offers. Now my watch has ended it will not begin for another 7 months with that said here are my stretched out observations
- Kings Landing visitors brochure: See the historic Sept of Balor - it's a blast
- is this Underworld: Westeros? Cersei is a death dealer and the Lycans have taken over Flea bottom
- Loras the flower of Zod confesses buggery to the Angry Birds who go "RED" state on his ass
- I just want to know how the Sparrows carve perfect circles free hand. No stencil. No nothing
- Cersei the Queen mother is a no show like RG3 at the B.E.T. awards
- Margarey starts bumping "Something ain't right" by Keith Sweatgarden
- Does Lancel enjoy the company of lil boys ? why chase a minor down an alley? - Chris Hanson
- Lancel attempts to retrieve Cersei but she's sipping her 3rd glass of wine harder than Kermit in a meme
- Lancel's pursuit leads him to what he thinks in the best micro brewery in KL... but that isn't guiness
- Pycelle loves em, leaves them ...without a dollar freezing
- “But sometimes before we can usher in the new, the old must be put to rest.” -Qyburn (truuu)
- The lil birds act like kids in Detroit on Halloween, shank any fool if the candy (plums) is right
- Lancel finds a batch of ecto cooler with a candle in it... but isn't able to make a wish before BOOM
- Separation of church and state.... the Cersei amendment
- Can I expect World War Sparrow or Planet Sparrow, because the gamma rays may have transformed Lancel before the Sept blew up
- Cersei is the illest and watches the Sept of Balor crumble like the UK's economy after the Brexit
- The High Sparrow's hubris got him blow up harder than Justin Timberlakes mentions after Jesse Williams speech
- RIP to Margarey and her dad Captain Crunch... they've gone to the highgarden in the sky
- Dark Cersei Thirty ...is torturing Khloe Sparrow with some Arbor Gold Lion wine
- I killed my husband, I bang my brother, I steal cable...so what? Take this zombie mountain dick
- Tommen is staring at the world trade center with disbelief, like the second tower isn't going down
- Tommen orders the Brandon Stark special: a perfect Kings Landing into concrete.
- Tommen must have played too much Assassins Creed, fell out the window like Ric Flair at SummerSlam
- Jamie wants Walder Frey to shut up, but Frey (who graduated with Mellisandre) keeps bragging on his dick
- Hold on this girl checking out Jamie is too cute to be a Frey ? Blackfish escaped the red wedding due to lack of freshness
- Cersei is as unfazed by Tommen's death as Desiigner at a book fair, then puts on her Rhythm Nation outfit..... 4,3,2,1
- OLDTOWN... wow looks great. Like the lighthouse at Alexandria
- Gilly and Sam are the slowest travelling people on this show.
- Sam gets to the registrars office early, but they have no information on his financial aid or fall registration.
- Sam is allowed access to the library and a reading rainbow grows in his pants...
- Davos accuses Melissandre of killing Shireen and she admits she used the Lords Core math, and got it wrong by not carrying the 1
- Lady Olenna loses her family and is about to drop the black album. Sand Snakes want to spit a verse or two but the QOT unplugs all of their mics
- Varys is in Dorne... the spider goes where they back Targareyans on the Throne
- Danaerys has to tell Daario you're a cook out type of dude and I'm headed to a Jack and Jill banquet.... you're not welcome
- Danaerys gives Tyrion the hand of the queen pendant and hes' happy? Why all of them die...
- Oh shit the cute Frey girl is Arya !! she hit's him with the scorpion harpoon and fatality
- Arya went all Sweeney Todd on Lord Frey...but served him finger food first
- Arya took enough classes to write up her business plan and solicit clients for her Changing Faces professional service
- I thought she was headed to Winterfell ? she must have seen the Twins and decided to go agent 47 ....keep the car running
- Littlefinger admits he wants the Iron Throne and Sansa as his Queen. He goes for the kiss but she hits that Nate Dogg --HOLD UP Heeeeeey
- Uncle Benjen drops Bran and Meera off near the wall like a couple of hitchhikers ..
- Bran decides to log on to the Weirwood Online and finish seeing what his dad was doing in that Tower of Joy
- Ned finds his sister Lyanna who says Robert would freak out if he knew... Knew what ? That her newborn son's name is Jahaerys Targaryen.
- Hilarious that Jon even looked perpetually worried and depressed as a baby
- Northeners don't like Free Folk, but Jon (Jahaerys) asks where were most of you when I was getting dunked on by the Boltons
- Lyanna Mormount responds... all you bitches were hitting decline when the Starks made the call.
- Jorah is back east becoming Ben Grimm but Lady Mormount is reppin Bear Island well
- Jon is declared King in the North... Littlfinger looks more upset than Bobby Brown backstage at a BBD concert in 92
- Damn KL is still burning like a stipper from a Cincinnati gentlemans club ...as Jamie approaches
- Darth Cersei marching to the throne like "I wish a mutha would say one gottdam thing"
- Jamie is troubled I prevented one madman from burning KL down only to have my lover-twin-sister finish the task ?
- OH No Cersei reign looks to be short... Khaleesi is coming (Daario knows how) with dragons, dorthraki, unsullied and ironborn.
- Damn 42 weeks until Season 7........ time to watch Orange is the new black Tyrant, Power, or Preacher
LOL @ Darth Cersei
punk ass sam.
Don't count Sam out. He might learn something there that saves the day.
Arya is a natural at this shit. She been sneaking around and disguising herself, and stabbing/killing ppl from season 1/2. The faceless men org. just refined her.
American gods was interesting. It was only one book though, so i hope that they don't try to stretch it out for too long.
Right, like i said earlier in the post, arya has natural talent for this shit.
I wouldn't be surprised if she gets exposed due to her always saying 'my lord' though. It would make what tywin said come full circle.
Quite an explosive end to another engaging season of Game of Thrones... went out with a bang. I only watched the first season of GOT due to BGOL and this post calling it Sopranos in chains (and I'm hooked) Winter is here and the Night King has his army doing layup lines, but few in the 7 kingdoms seem concerned. Most still fighting over the Iron Throne and the status it offers. Now my watch has ended it will not begin for another 7 months with that said here are my stretched out observations
- Kings Landing visitors brochure: See the historic Sept of Balor - it's a blast
- is this Underworld: Westeros? Cersei is a death dealer and the Lycans have taken over Flea bottom
- Loras the flower of Zod confesses buggery to the Angry Birds who go "RED" state on his ass
- I just want to know how the Sparrows carve perfect circles free hand. No stencil. No nothing
- Cersei the Queen mother is a no show like RG3 at the B.E.T. awards
- Margarey starts bumping "Something ain't right" by Keith Sweatgarden
- Does Lancel enjoy the company of lil boys ? why chase a minor down an alley? - Chris Hanson
- Lancel attempts to retrieve Cersei but she's sipping her 3rd glass of wine harder than Kermit in a meme
- Lancel's pursuit leads him to what he thinks in the best micro brewery in KL... but that isn't guiness
- Pycelle loves em, leaves them ...without a dollar freezing
- “But sometimes before we can usher in the new, the old must be put to rest.” -Qyburn (truuu)
- The lil birds act like kids in Detroit on Halloween, shank any fool if the candy (plums) is right
- Lancel finds a batch of ecto cooler with a candle in it... but isn't able to make a wish before BOOM
- Separation of church and state.... the Cersei amendment
- Can I expect World War Sparrow or Planet Sparrow, because the gamma rays may have transformed Lancel before the Sept blew up
- Cersei is the illest and watches the Sept of Balor crumble like the UK's economy after the Brexit
- The High Sparrow's hubris got him blow up harder than Justin Timberlakes mentions after Jesse Williams speech
- RIP to Margarey and her dad Captain Crunch... they've gone to the highgarden in the sky
- Dark Cersei Thirty ...is torturing Khloe Sparrow with some Arbor Gold Lion wine
- I killed my husband, I bang my brother, I steal cable...so what? Take this zombie mountain dick
- Tommen is staring at the world trade center with disbelief, like the second tower isn't going down
- Tommen orders the Brandon Stark special: a perfect Kings Landing into concrete.
- Tommen must have played too much Assassins Creed, fell out the window like Ric Flair at SummerSlam
- Jamie wants Walder Frey to shut up, but Frey (who graduated with Mellisandre) keeps bragging on his dick
- Hold on this girl checking out Jamie is too cute to be a Frey ? Blackfish escaped the red wedding due to lack of freshness
- Cersei is as unfazed by Tommen's death as Desiigner at a book fair, then puts on her Rhythm Nation outfit..... 4,3,2,1
- OLDTOWN... wow looks great. Like the lighthouse at Alexandria
- Gilly and Sam are the slowest travelling people on this show.
- Sam gets to the registrars office early, but they have no information on his financial aid or fall registration.
- Sam is allowed access to the library and a reading rainbow grows in his pants...
- Davos accuses Melissandre of killing Shireen and she admits she used the Lords Core math, and got it wrong by not carrying the 1
- Lady Olenna loses her family and is about to drop the black album. Sand Snakes want to spit a verse or two but the QOT unplugs all of their mics
- Varys is in Dorne... the spider goes where they back Targareyans on the Throne
- Danaerys has to tell Daario you're a cook out type of dude and I'm headed to a Jack and Jill banquet.... you're not welcome
- Danaerys gives Tyrion the hand of the queen pendant and hes' happy? Why all of them die...
- Oh shit the cute Frey girl is Arya !! she hit's him with the scorpion harpoon and fatality
- Arya went all Sweeney Todd on Lord Frey...but served him finger food first
- Arya took enough classes to write up her business plan and solicit clients for her Changing Faces professional service
- I thought she was headed to Winterfell ? she must have seen the Twins and decided to go agent 47 ....keep the car running
- Littlefinger admits he wants the Iron Throne and Sansa as his Queen. He goes for the kiss but she hits that Nate Dogg --HOLD UP Heeeeeey
- Uncle Benjen drops Bran and Meera off near the wall like a couple of hitchhikers ..
- Bran decides to log on to the Weirwood Online and finish seeing what his dad was doing in that Tower of Joy
- Ned finds his sister Lyanna who says Robert would freak out if he knew... Knew what ? That her newborn son's name is Jahaerys Targaryen.
- Hilarious that Jon even looked perpetually worried and depressed as a baby
- Northeners don't like Free Folk, but Jon (Jahaerys) asks where were most of you when I was getting dunked on by the Boltons
- Lyanna Mormount responds... all you bitches were hitting decline when the Starks made the call.
- Jorah is back east becoming Ben Grimm but Lady Mormount is reppin Bear Island well
- Jon is declared King in the North... Littlfinger looks more upset than Bobby Brown backstage at a BBD concert in 92
- Damn KL is still burning like a stipper from a Cincinnati gentlemans club ...as Jamie approaches
- Darth Cersei marching to the throne like "I wish a mutha would say one gottdam thing"
- Jamie is troubled I prevented one madman from burning KL down only to have my lover-twin-sister finish the task ?
- OH No Cersei reign looks to be short... Khaleesi is coming (Daario knows how) with dragons, dorthraki, unsullied and ironborn.
- Damn 42 weeks until Season 7........ time to watch Orange is the new black Tyrant, Power, or Preacher
Excellent way to cap the season.
Clearly, I don't give a shit about trivial details like a time bar (i.e. "18 months later") showing Arya's departure and arrival times or her access point(s) of entering the Frey grounds. Killing Frey and his heirs is not a "nothing special happened" event for the story line lol
Correction, the advanced graduate that killed (not "nearly" lol) the currently headless waif. "Nearly" only counts in horse shoe games. House Frey executed instructions in carrying out Tywin's plan to win a battle. That example of lap dog competency pales in comparison to leadership incompetency, where neither Lord Frey nor his heirs are able to unite the other Houses of Riverrun. That is a much bigger example of incompetency and quite detrimental. So yea, House Frey WAS (as in past tense thanks to Arya) incompetent overall. But that doesn't matter anymore since House Frey is no more and ripe for the other Houses to reclaim.
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Game of Thrones season six was full of impossible journeys, so we mapped them
By Loren Grush and Kaitlyn Tiffany
In Game of Thrones, movement is life. If you linger too long in the Sept of Baelor, for instance, chances are you won’t be around long enough for afternoon prayer. That’s why many of the characters in Westeros are constantly in transit, traversing from the North to the Riverlands or sailing across the Narrow Sea to hang out with Daenerys in Meereen.
DAMN DO THEY MOVE FAST!
Some of these characters must have their own private Hyperloops, because damn do they move fast! In the course of a single episode, people without access to working electricity or battery power can trek the length of an entire continent the size of South America and still discuss medieval politics in excruciating detail. We’re surprised the entire show isn’t just people sweating and hyperventilating all the time.
One of the showrunners just recently addressed this issue. Writer Bryan Cogman toldEntertainment Weekly:
"The timelines between the various storylines don’t necessarily line up within a given episode. For instance, the ‘Northern Tour’ Jon and Sansa embark on would probably take a couple weeks, but Arya’s storyline over the past few episodes only spans a few days. We realized a while ago that if we tied ourselves in knots trying to make all the ‘story days’ line up between all the characters the momentum would suffer."
However, Winteriscoming.net makes a valid counterpoint: because of how the show is edited, it feels as if all the storylines are happening at the same pace. But a counterpoint to that counterpoint: we're not that interested in seeing people set up camp for the night along the Kingsroad, so it’s certainly a smart editing move. Traveling is tedious, and there are only so many precious minutes available per episode.
Still, since we witnessed many knee-aching journeys this season, we decided to break down the characters’ travels in terms of plausibility. Inspired by one of my favorite interactive tools on the web, the Interactive Game of Thrones Map with Spoiler Control, we’ve chronicled the paths of many prominent characters in season six and rated them on a believability scale from 1 to 10: from "We live in a magical realm of teleportation" to "Dragons aren't real, magic is fake, and fun is for children."
Greyjoys go to Meereen
Kaitlyn: Theon leaves the outskirts of Winterfell in episode two. By episode four, he is at Pyke. Pyke is on an island. So I ask: Where did Theon — who was very recently "Reek," who had and still has absolutely no money and barely even half of a Yeezy sweater to his name — get a boat?
Yara and Theon leave the Iron Islands with most of the Iron Fleet in episode six — Theon gets some boats, finally. By episode seven, they’re hanging out in a brothel in what appears to be the Free City of Volantis. This means they sailed around the entire continent of Westeros in one episode. I know they’re pirates, but there’s only so much that a "what is dead may never die" can-do attitude can really do before basic physics thwart you.
THERE’S ONLY SO MUCH THAT A "WHAT IS DEAD MAY NEVER DIE" CAN-DO ATTITUDE CAN REALLY DO
In episode nine, the siblings sail into Meereen, either while there’s a battle going on in the harbor or immediately after. This seems… risky? They team up with Daenerys, who didn’t barbecue them in the water because she was having some well-earned me-time and changing into her Hogwarts robes. Phew!
One episode later, the fleet they’ve decided to build together is complete, and it’s been decorated with hundreds of hand-painted Targaryen sails. I would give the whole crew a 0 for believability (yes, I see you, Martell and Tyrell ships from where in the hell), but the shot of Team Dany finally zooming towards Westeros is incredible so everyone involved gets a free pass.
Believability Score: 1
Jon and Sansa’s tour of the North
Loren: For most of season six, Jon and Sansa pretty much just stick to the North, which makes their travels more believable than most. We meet up with Sansa right outside Winterfell in episode one, where she is conveniently saved by Brienne who must have some kind of Stark homing beacon. They decide to go north to meet up with Jon, but don’t reach Castle Black until episode four. That seems like a decent amount of time to cover a relatively short patch of land, though it is cold up there, which probably would have slowed their progress. Maybe there’s still some lingering global warming leftover from the burning of Shireen.
The part where Jon and Sansa’s journey makes a little less sense is when they go on an impressive field trip to meet up with the former Stark bannermen. All in a single episode, the pair go from Castle Black, across the water to Bear Island, then to Deepwood Motte. Remember, the North is the largest kingdom of the Seven Kingdoms. How are they not exhausted? Pretty sure Jon Snow would not be showing that amount of stamina at the Battle of the Bastards given all the blisters on his feet — and the whole living dead thing.
Believability Score: 7
Arya finally goes back to Westeros
Loren: After two seasons of training montages, Arya finally makes it back to Westeros to exact some super satisfying revenge on House Frey. That revenge was also served up super quick. Arya tells Jaqen that she’s outie in episode 8, then manages to find passage across the Narrow Sea and trek across the Neck to the Twins all in episode 9. To be fair, she's an assassin now, so she probably has some special powers of persuasion that help her acquire boats and horses. Also, she did grab a face or two on her way out the black-and-white door, which is going to be super helpful on her tour-de-revenge of Westeros.
GETTING STABBED DIDN’T SEEM TO DETER HER FROM DOING SOMERSAULTS
But let’s also remember that Arya was STABBED IN THE GUT REPEATEDLY just a few episodes prior. I pretty much don’t leave my apartment when I have a stomachache, so I’m impressed with Arya’s fortitude. Then again, getting stabbed didn’t seem to deter her from doing somersaults throughout the streets of Braavos. Perhaps I need to get my prescriptions from the Faceless Men.
Seeing Walder Frey get his comeuppance was unbelievably fulfilling, though, and it helped to ease the pain of just losing Margaery, so I can’t complain too much about Arya’s rapid Westeros return.
Believability Score: 5
Sam and Gilly go to Oldtown
Kaitlyn: We check in with Sam and Gilly on a boat southbound from Eastwatch-by-the-Sea in episode three. Sam is yakking, and Little Sam is large now, which indicates that they’ve been on the boat for a while already. They arrive at Horn Hill in episode six, which isn’t the most reasonable or the most unreasonable thing I’ve heard today. They had to circle a continent, so the odds were against them, but the odds are always against these crazy kids and they’re scrappy. (I have such nice dreams of them in the series finale, relaxing to a Paul Simon song and holding hands while Little Sam teeters around a moor.) The frequency with which Sam brings up his White Walker slaying may be a little much, but it actually is Very Impressive and so is he!
Perhaps more exceptionally, it takes them four episodes to get from Horn Hill to Oldtown, two towns which are at least on the same side of the continent and actually extremely close together. Sam stole a very angry man’s prized possession and then skipped town, but he honestly didn’t skip far enough. Also, he said where he was going. I don’t know, I wouldn’t sign up for this road trip.
Believability Score: 6
Sand Snakes’ quick jaunt to King’s Landing
Loren: Look, I understand that most of the Sand Snakes’ journey happened in the nexus between season five and seasons six, but I feel like the absurdity of their trip to King’s Landing needs to be addressed here. At the end of season five, the four ladies of Dorne watch from the shore of Sunspear as the doomed Myrcella sails away with Jamie and Trystane. But Obara and Nymeria must have immediately hopped on the Acela Express right after that, because they somehow catch up with that boat as soon as it gets to King’s Landing. Thank goodness they did so that we could hear the Sand Snakes make jokes about killing their cousin.
Believability Score: 3
Jaime tours the Riverlands
Kaitlyn: Jaime arrives in King’s Landing with Dead Myrcella in episode one. What he does between then and episode six is an utter mystery to me, but after pissing off little Tommen Baratheon he is finally told to get to stepping.
He leaves for Riverrun, a beautiful law enforcement agent in a golden suit. In episode seven, he arrives at Riverrun. This is reasonable, because he has a horse (unlike many of our participants) and because Riverrun is a cute kitty corner from King’s Landing. After doing almost nothing for three episodes, Jaime leaves Riverrun in the middle of episode 10, and arrives back in King’s Landing at the end of episode 10. I’m docking two believability points here because there was no real reason for Jaime to hurry like that. He thought everything was cool as a cucumber throughout the realm. He definitely stopped at a farmer’s market or had a nice day trip to Tumbler’s Falls with Bronn. Since when does Jaime try this hard? I don’t 100 percent buy it, even though it falls comfortably under the "physically possible" umbrella.
Believability Score: 8
Sensible Brienne is sensible
Kaitlyn: Brienne, the voice of reason as ever, took very logical trips throughout the Seven Kingdoms this season. She found Sansa outside of Winterfell in episode one, and travelled with her to the Wall — a trip which spanned a respectable three episodes. She and Sansa took a quick jaunt to Mole’s Town to meet with Littlefinger, making it there and back in one episode, which also makes sense. Please think of Mole’s Town as Gotham to The Wall’s Metropolis. Thank you.
BRIENNE’S DEDICATION TO DOING IMPRESSIVE BUT HUMANLY POSSIBLE TASKS IS TRULY ADMIRABLE
In episode five, Brienne leaves the Wall, and in episode eight, she arrives in Riverrun. She rode quickly, but she did not use a wormhole to cut through time and space. Brienne’s dedication to doing impressive but humanly possible tasks is truly admirable. She leaves Riverrun at the end of episode eight, and we don’t see her again for the rest of the season because she’s in a rowboat and she doesn’t expect to get anywhere relevant to the plot. Bless you Brienne, you good and normal horsewoman.
Believability Score: 10
Varys goes to Dorne then… back to Meereen?
Loren: This has to be my favorite character journey of the entire series. Varys, as we know, has been chilling in Meereen, helping with the one-liners since Tyrion has been struggling with his lately. In episode 8, the buddy cop duo split up when Varys goes on a secret mission to help boost Dany’s polling numbers. Sometime prior to episode 10, Varys makes it to Sunspear in Dorne via ship to secure an alliance with the Sand Snakes and Lady Olenna. I guess that’s not so crazy, seeing as how Sunspear is the closest Westeros city to Meereen, so I’ll give it an initial pass.
But what is crazy are all of his next moves. Just within episode 10, Varys manages to wrangle up a bunch of Dornish ships, travel back to Meereen, and then sail out again with the rest of Daenarys’ fleet. Perhaps Westeros has finally entered its version of the industrial revolution and equipped all the boats with motorized propellers! Evidence:
Believability Score: -5
Daenerys' field trip to a renowned historical site
Loren: Dany started off this season already in transit with the Dothraki, since Drogon couldn’t be bothered to intervene when an approaching horde showed up to kidnap his mom. The horse lords then take her to Vaes Dothrak, which is pretty far from Meereen. But Dany was probably already pretty far out herself thanks to air travel by dragon. Plus the Dothraki don’t reach their sacred city until episode three, which seems like a fairly reasonable travel time to me.
After redoing her fiery party trick (you’d think surviving an inferno once was enough to impress people), Dany finally leaves in episode six with some new buddies. Oh and Drogon is conveniently back to speed things up! Our queen makes it back to the great pyramid by episode eight, which is not only reasonable, but maybe even a little slow? I feel like Dragons are the Airbuses of Essos. Sure they’re great for smiting your enemies, but I bet they’re also perfect for quickly taking you to a tropical getaway.
Believability score: 9
The slow trudge of the White Walkers
Kaitlyn: The last we saw the White Walkers, in episode nine of season five, they were in Hardhome. By episode six of this season, they’ve gotten to the Three-Eyed Raven’s Tree Cave, which most people place slightly east of the Fist of the First Men. They made it from slightly east of a tree to a tree in seven episodes. We’ve been asked to consider them an imminent danger for six seasons now, but they move at about the pace of a shopping mall that was built on top of a swamp. That is when they aren’t hurling themselves off cliffs.
Believability Score: -1000
http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/28/1...-maps-season-six-travel-plot-holes-time-warps
By Loren Grush and Kaitlyn Tiffany
In Game of Thrones, movement is life. If you linger too long in the Sept of Baelor, for instance, chances are you won’t be around long enough for afternoon prayer. That’s why many of the characters in Westeros are constantly in transit, traversing from the North to the Riverlands or sailing across the Narrow Sea to hang out with Daenerys in Meereen.
DAMN DO THEY MOVE FAST!
Some of these characters must have their own private Hyperloops, because damn do they move fast! In the course of a single episode, people without access to working electricity or battery power can trek the length of an entire continent the size of South America and still discuss medieval politics in excruciating detail. We’re surprised the entire show isn’t just people sweating and hyperventilating all the time.
One of the showrunners just recently addressed this issue. Writer Bryan Cogman toldEntertainment Weekly:
"The timelines between the various storylines don’t necessarily line up within a given episode. For instance, the ‘Northern Tour’ Jon and Sansa embark on would probably take a couple weeks, but Arya’s storyline over the past few episodes only spans a few days. We realized a while ago that if we tied ourselves in knots trying to make all the ‘story days’ line up between all the characters the momentum would suffer."
However, Winteriscoming.net makes a valid counterpoint: because of how the show is edited, it feels as if all the storylines are happening at the same pace. But a counterpoint to that counterpoint: we're not that interested in seeing people set up camp for the night along the Kingsroad, so it’s certainly a smart editing move. Traveling is tedious, and there are only so many precious minutes available per episode.
Still, since we witnessed many knee-aching journeys this season, we decided to break down the characters’ travels in terms of plausibility. Inspired by one of my favorite interactive tools on the web, the Interactive Game of Thrones Map with Spoiler Control, we’ve chronicled the paths of many prominent characters in season six and rated them on a believability scale from 1 to 10: from "We live in a magical realm of teleportation" to "Dragons aren't real, magic is fake, and fun is for children."
Greyjoys go to Meereen
Kaitlyn: Theon leaves the outskirts of Winterfell in episode two. By episode four, he is at Pyke. Pyke is on an island. So I ask: Where did Theon — who was very recently "Reek," who had and still has absolutely no money and barely even half of a Yeezy sweater to his name — get a boat?
Yara and Theon leave the Iron Islands with most of the Iron Fleet in episode six — Theon gets some boats, finally. By episode seven, they’re hanging out in a brothel in what appears to be the Free City of Volantis. This means they sailed around the entire continent of Westeros in one episode. I know they’re pirates, but there’s only so much that a "what is dead may never die" can-do attitude can really do before basic physics thwart you.
THERE’S ONLY SO MUCH THAT A "WHAT IS DEAD MAY NEVER DIE" CAN-DO ATTITUDE CAN REALLY DO
In episode nine, the siblings sail into Meereen, either while there’s a battle going on in the harbor or immediately after. This seems… risky? They team up with Daenerys, who didn’t barbecue them in the water because she was having some well-earned me-time and changing into her Hogwarts robes. Phew!
One episode later, the fleet they’ve decided to build together is complete, and it’s been decorated with hundreds of hand-painted Targaryen sails. I would give the whole crew a 0 for believability (yes, I see you, Martell and Tyrell ships from where in the hell), but the shot of Team Dany finally zooming towards Westeros is incredible so everyone involved gets a free pass.
Believability Score: 1
Jon and Sansa’s tour of the North
Loren: For most of season six, Jon and Sansa pretty much just stick to the North, which makes their travels more believable than most. We meet up with Sansa right outside Winterfell in episode one, where she is conveniently saved by Brienne who must have some kind of Stark homing beacon. They decide to go north to meet up with Jon, but don’t reach Castle Black until episode four. That seems like a decent amount of time to cover a relatively short patch of land, though it is cold up there, which probably would have slowed their progress. Maybe there’s still some lingering global warming leftover from the burning of Shireen.
The part where Jon and Sansa’s journey makes a little less sense is when they go on an impressive field trip to meet up with the former Stark bannermen. All in a single episode, the pair go from Castle Black, across the water to Bear Island, then to Deepwood Motte. Remember, the North is the largest kingdom of the Seven Kingdoms. How are they not exhausted? Pretty sure Jon Snow would not be showing that amount of stamina at the Battle of the Bastards given all the blisters on his feet — and the whole living dead thing.
Believability Score: 7
Arya finally goes back to Westeros
Loren: After two seasons of training montages, Arya finally makes it back to Westeros to exact some super satisfying revenge on House Frey. That revenge was also served up super quick. Arya tells Jaqen that she’s outie in episode 8, then manages to find passage across the Narrow Sea and trek across the Neck to the Twins all in episode 9. To be fair, she's an assassin now, so she probably has some special powers of persuasion that help her acquire boats and horses. Also, she did grab a face or two on her way out the black-and-white door, which is going to be super helpful on her tour-de-revenge of Westeros.
GETTING STABBED DIDN’T SEEM TO DETER HER FROM DOING SOMERSAULTS
But let’s also remember that Arya was STABBED IN THE GUT REPEATEDLY just a few episodes prior. I pretty much don’t leave my apartment when I have a stomachache, so I’m impressed with Arya’s fortitude. Then again, getting stabbed didn’t seem to deter her from doing somersaults throughout the streets of Braavos. Perhaps I need to get my prescriptions from the Faceless Men.
Seeing Walder Frey get his comeuppance was unbelievably fulfilling, though, and it helped to ease the pain of just losing Margaery, so I can’t complain too much about Arya’s rapid Westeros return.
Believability Score: 5
Sam and Gilly go to Oldtown
Kaitlyn: We check in with Sam and Gilly on a boat southbound from Eastwatch-by-the-Sea in episode three. Sam is yakking, and Little Sam is large now, which indicates that they’ve been on the boat for a while already. They arrive at Horn Hill in episode six, which isn’t the most reasonable or the most unreasonable thing I’ve heard today. They had to circle a continent, so the odds were against them, but the odds are always against these crazy kids and they’re scrappy. (I have such nice dreams of them in the series finale, relaxing to a Paul Simon song and holding hands while Little Sam teeters around a moor.) The frequency with which Sam brings up his White Walker slaying may be a little much, but it actually is Very Impressive and so is he!
Perhaps more exceptionally, it takes them four episodes to get from Horn Hill to Oldtown, two towns which are at least on the same side of the continent and actually extremely close together. Sam stole a very angry man’s prized possession and then skipped town, but he honestly didn’t skip far enough. Also, he said where he was going. I don’t know, I wouldn’t sign up for this road trip.
Believability Score: 6
Sand Snakes’ quick jaunt to King’s Landing
Loren: Look, I understand that most of the Sand Snakes’ journey happened in the nexus between season five and seasons six, but I feel like the absurdity of their trip to King’s Landing needs to be addressed here. At the end of season five, the four ladies of Dorne watch from the shore of Sunspear as the doomed Myrcella sails away with Jamie and Trystane. But Obara and Nymeria must have immediately hopped on the Acela Express right after that, because they somehow catch up with that boat as soon as it gets to King’s Landing. Thank goodness they did so that we could hear the Sand Snakes make jokes about killing their cousin.
Believability Score: 3
Jaime tours the Riverlands
Kaitlyn: Jaime arrives in King’s Landing with Dead Myrcella in episode one. What he does between then and episode six is an utter mystery to me, but after pissing off little Tommen Baratheon he is finally told to get to stepping.
He leaves for Riverrun, a beautiful law enforcement agent in a golden suit. In episode seven, he arrives at Riverrun. This is reasonable, because he has a horse (unlike many of our participants) and because Riverrun is a cute kitty corner from King’s Landing. After doing almost nothing for three episodes, Jaime leaves Riverrun in the middle of episode 10, and arrives back in King’s Landing at the end of episode 10. I’m docking two believability points here because there was no real reason for Jaime to hurry like that. He thought everything was cool as a cucumber throughout the realm. He definitely stopped at a farmer’s market or had a nice day trip to Tumbler’s Falls with Bronn. Since when does Jaime try this hard? I don’t 100 percent buy it, even though it falls comfortably under the "physically possible" umbrella.
Believability Score: 8
Sensible Brienne is sensible
Kaitlyn: Brienne, the voice of reason as ever, took very logical trips throughout the Seven Kingdoms this season. She found Sansa outside of Winterfell in episode one, and travelled with her to the Wall — a trip which spanned a respectable three episodes. She and Sansa took a quick jaunt to Mole’s Town to meet with Littlefinger, making it there and back in one episode, which also makes sense. Please think of Mole’s Town as Gotham to The Wall’s Metropolis. Thank you.
BRIENNE’S DEDICATION TO DOING IMPRESSIVE BUT HUMANLY POSSIBLE TASKS IS TRULY ADMIRABLE
In episode five, Brienne leaves the Wall, and in episode eight, she arrives in Riverrun. She rode quickly, but she did not use a wormhole to cut through time and space. Brienne’s dedication to doing impressive but humanly possible tasks is truly admirable. She leaves Riverrun at the end of episode eight, and we don’t see her again for the rest of the season because she’s in a rowboat and she doesn’t expect to get anywhere relevant to the plot. Bless you Brienne, you good and normal horsewoman.
Believability Score: 10
Varys goes to Dorne then… back to Meereen?
Loren: This has to be my favorite character journey of the entire series. Varys, as we know, has been chilling in Meereen, helping with the one-liners since Tyrion has been struggling with his lately. In episode 8, the buddy cop duo split up when Varys goes on a secret mission to help boost Dany’s polling numbers. Sometime prior to episode 10, Varys makes it to Sunspear in Dorne via ship to secure an alliance with the Sand Snakes and Lady Olenna. I guess that’s not so crazy, seeing as how Sunspear is the closest Westeros city to Meereen, so I’ll give it an initial pass.
But what is crazy are all of his next moves. Just within episode 10, Varys manages to wrangle up a bunch of Dornish ships, travel back to Meereen, and then sail out again with the rest of Daenarys’ fleet. Perhaps Westeros has finally entered its version of the industrial revolution and equipped all the boats with motorized propellers! Evidence:
Believability Score: -5
Daenerys' field trip to a renowned historical site
Loren: Dany started off this season already in transit with the Dothraki, since Drogon couldn’t be bothered to intervene when an approaching horde showed up to kidnap his mom. The horse lords then take her to Vaes Dothrak, which is pretty far from Meereen. But Dany was probably already pretty far out herself thanks to air travel by dragon. Plus the Dothraki don’t reach their sacred city until episode three, which seems like a fairly reasonable travel time to me.
After redoing her fiery party trick (you’d think surviving an inferno once was enough to impress people), Dany finally leaves in episode six with some new buddies. Oh and Drogon is conveniently back to speed things up! Our queen makes it back to the great pyramid by episode eight, which is not only reasonable, but maybe even a little slow? I feel like Dragons are the Airbuses of Essos. Sure they’re great for smiting your enemies, but I bet they’re also perfect for quickly taking you to a tropical getaway.
Believability score: 9
The slow trudge of the White Walkers
Kaitlyn: The last we saw the White Walkers, in episode nine of season five, they were in Hardhome. By episode six of this season, they’ve gotten to the Three-Eyed Raven’s Tree Cave, which most people place slightly east of the Fist of the First Men. They made it from slightly east of a tree to a tree in seven episodes. We’ve been asked to consider them an imminent danger for six seasons now, but they move at about the pace of a shopping mall that was built on top of a swamp. That is when they aren’t hurling themselves off cliffs.
Believability Score: -1000
http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/28/1...-maps-season-six-travel-plot-holes-time-warps
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Arya seems to remember her lessons well though. It may have been intentional, to see if he was smart enough to pick up on it since she was planning on killing him anyway. They were alone, so it wasn't going to be a long term situation where she needed to hide and be embedded in his household. The writers might also be signaling her ownership of her high born station,since she has reclaimed her name, Arya Stark and is no longer "no one".
oh no, he is def going to learn something that saves the day from the white walkers. that's why he's a punk ass. cause his daddy was right about him and somehow he's still going to save the day smh
sam is to grrm what george costanza was to larry david
Watching LF's facial expressions during the meeting of all the northern armies, do you think he was surprised that Jon would get all that support being that he is a bastard? Especially after talking to Sansa about who the northerners should really follow? Or was he more disappointed that now he probably will not have the power over the north that he thought he would get if they chose Sansa?
Agreed. Tywin was a man who paid attention to details. Walder not that smart though to notice little things like that so she didn't need to hide in that sense. Still think he was a little brave though to make that feeble attempt to get up and go......His reaction though to having had some Frey pie.....priceless.....
well damn woman
LF is going to be trying to determine a new strategy because that look on his face showed that he really didn't think that they would've chosen a "bastard" to be king in the north. When the first dude bent the knee he was definitely not expecting it.
from personal experience ppl like LF can't get a bead/put a finger on ppl like jon...don't know how he felt but he will def feel the need to "squash" jon and severely underestimate him trying to do so...that will be his demise
Yeah, it was like he marked Jon as a threat in that moment. In fact both Jon and Sansa. Tho I don't know if Jon is a threat because he sees him as a rival for the Iron Throne, or if it is because if Sansa is resolved to stay in Winterfell and support Jon, he can't use her in his plans. He didn't strike me as surprised so much as determined. Whether he was determined to sway Sansa or overthrow/defeat/diminish Jon in some way, or both, I couldn't say. But Sansa saw the scheming in LF's stare, and took note as well.
he needs sansa in order for him to have some form of "control" in the north...he might have/still thinks he has her ear...he can do absolutely nothing w/ jon...for him to have a shot @ sitting on the iron throne or w/e he may have planned sansa needs to rule the north and not jon and therein lies the problem
“It must make you angry, that our Queen c h o s e me.”
“Makes me sad. You’ll disappoint her before long, she’ll move on.”
damn jorah played that long ball
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