BGOL review .. BATMAN V SUPERMAN... (thoughts, summary, spoilers)
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DC is in trouble; they are in disarray right now as it relates to their movies; shit is very disturbing; they fucking up like fox and sony did...Civil war is probably gonna pass BvsS in only 2 weeks of being out 
; think about that for a min; Capt America and Iron Man are more popular than Sup and Bat
; think about that for a min; Capt America and Iron Man are more popular than Sup and Bat
Oh shit..
Time to check BGOL cinemas..
BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN ULTIMATE EDITION LEAKS ONLINE EARLY (SPOILERS)
It looks as if the Batman Vs. Superman Ultimate Edition has leaked online a bit early.
Users are reporting on Reddit that they can access the Batman Vs. Superman Ultimate Edition through the digital streaming services CinemaNow and Flickster.
Reports are stating it's a non-HD version.
Reddit users have posted a couple of screenshots as well as some spoilers (following the images) about the new material.
The Batman Vs. Superman Ultimate Edition goes on sale digitally June 28th and on Blu-Ray July 19th. You can order through Amazon.
http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/conte...-ultimate-edition-leaks-online-early-spoilers
Warner Brother's shit... ALways and I mean Always leaks early..
...not really.
we'll see -...not really.
but a lot of scenes that didn't work before sound better now
yeah some scenes sound better, but those described were not the major issues with the movie for me.
Just watched a segment on Collider Heroes. Someone on the show who has been allowed access to the filming of Justice League is talking about the change in tone of the film. He talked about Bruce and Barry Allen meeting for the first time and how the scene is filled with humor and it couldn't exist in BVS.
Ok watching it now....and I will admit that it is a better movie. Is it perfect... No, but it is no longer Gawd Awful.
So far I still don't get Lex's ability to know all this shit but Clarke is a more fleshed out character here. The seeds of what led Clarke to want to fight Bruce are better explained. It makes perfect sense why Superman showed up to stop BRUCE when Batman was chasing down the criminals now.
Also Clarke is shown actually being a reporter.
Why was any of this cut out?
Pacing is better. The music is better. This is more like a sequel to Man of Steel and not just a movie with Clarke in it.
I'll give a more detailed opinion when I finish it.
Who ever forced Zach Snyder to cut these scenes should be fucking fired. This flows like an actual movie.
So far I still don't get Lex's ability to know all this shit but Clarke is a more fleshed out character here. The seeds of what led Clarke to want to fight Bruce are better explained. It makes perfect sense why Superman showed up to stop BRUCE when Batman was chasing down the criminals now.
Also Clarke is shown actually being a reporter.
Why was any of this cut out?
Pacing is better. The music is better. This is more like a sequel to Man of Steel and not just a movie with Clarke in it.
I'll give a more detailed opinion when I finish it.
Who ever forced Zach Snyder to cut these scenes should be fucking fired. This flows like an actual movie.
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Ok just finished it. This is much much better. I'm actually going to buy this for the collection.
I'm left with a couple complaints:
1. Still no idea how Lex knew all the shit about Bruce & Clark.
2. Wonder Woman still didn't have much impact until the end.
3. Still no idea what Lex planned to accomplish with Doomday and having Batman and Superman fight each other.
4. Clark Kent is definitely dead in this universe. They said he died in the battle at Gotham City. Casket still open at mama Kents house. So there is no way he comes back from this one.
5. The way Batman and Superman stopped fighting each other is still stupid.
6. Still dislike the bullshit forced justice league cameo.
7. Still no clue why Dianna cares about the picture.
But that's about it. If most remember I had a long list of issues and most of my main issues have been resolved.
The extended is only 2 hours and 54 minutes long. Why wasn't this released. Seriously it even moves faster. I didn't yawn one time watching this version.
I'm left with a couple complaints:
1. Still no idea how Lex knew all the shit about Bruce & Clark.
2. Wonder Woman still didn't have much impact until the end.
3. Still no idea what Lex planned to accomplish with Doomday and having Batman and Superman fight each other.
4. Clark Kent is definitely dead in this universe. They said he died in the battle at Gotham City. Casket still open at mama Kents house. So there is no way he comes back from this one.
5. The way Batman and Superman stopped fighting each other is still stupid.
6. Still dislike the bullshit forced justice league cameo.
7. Still no clue why Dianna cares about the picture.
But that's about it. If most remember I had a long list of issues and most of my main issues have been resolved.
The extended is only 2 hours and 54 minutes long. Why wasn't this released. Seriously it even moves faster. I didn't yawn one time watching this version.
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Last point for the night...
I'm actually highly pissed off that Warner Brother put that bullshit version out a couple months ago and we all wasted our money on it.
There are key plot points that we dropped out that explain a lot of the fucking questions that we all had. Even though I still have no idea what his ultimate plan was, Lex comes out of here looking closer to the Lex that I know and love. His conspiracy was a lot deeper then we all initially thought.
I'm actually highly pissed off that Warner Brother put that bullshit version out a couple months ago and we all wasted our money on it.
There are key plot points that we dropped out that explain a lot of the fucking questions that we all had. Even though I still have no idea what his ultimate plan was, Lex comes out of here looking closer to the Lex that I know and love. His conspiracy was a lot deeper then we all initially thought.
If you know who still dies, the DCCU is still fucked up. Then I hear about him coming back in JL?
Why the fuck you kill him for????
Why the fuck you kill him for????
If you know who still dies, the DCCU is still fucked up. Then I hear about him coming back in JL?
Why the fuck you kill him for????
Oh it's still a problem.... It's still a Major problem. Clark is dead. Dead Dead.. No way he is coming back as Clark. News paper article said he died in the battle and people who worked at the Daily Planet saw his open casket at the Kent farm.
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watching it now...kinda get the casting for lex...for a split sec when he was introduced it reminded me of the smallville TV lex but then he got ridiculously cartoonish...I understand they're perhaps using him to appeal to younger audiences cuz w/o him so far it's a pretty adult film but I think his performance is almost insulting...he could still carry out the angry son tryna overcome his father's shadow w/o licking jolly ranchers off his fingers and prancing around...pretty good flick so far outside of his performance
this movie long af...I don't know the mythos behind lex for this flick but in the comics and even smallville dude was always highly intelligent and has the financial resources to back it up...for me it was easy to go w/...bats and supes aren't exactly subtle...for years comic readers always clowned "ppl" for not being able to ID their alter egos so it's not hard imo to just go w/ the flow and say lex just had his eyes open and used his $$$/foot soldiers to do the rest
Didn't Superman kill Clark in a comic book? I vaguely remember it happening after the death of Superman.
just seen the martha scene after hearing about it...a little cheesy but an obvious link between them...I'm not mad @ it...ppl just wanted to choose between this and civil war w/o even seeing either flicks...to be fair I am watching the movie as it was intended to be seen and in the comfort of my home so I can pause and rewind shit if I dint get it the first time
I dare both of you to watch the theatrical cut again, and say we were nitpicking...
I've watched it several times. And i agree. You are weirdly nitpicking. I don't know why you're nitpicking. But... i feel you are. Not just you... alot of people. So i've consigned myself as usual i just look at movies different than other people. Superhero movies anyway. I think i'm satisfied with a lot of stuff. Because it's superhero movie. I think you guys are looking for oscar winning shit. Just how i see it. Won't be turned of swayed. That's how it is.
'Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice Ultimate Edition' Review: A Superior Cut Of A Doomed Film
Scott Mendelson ,
Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.
Warner Bros.
The Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice “Ultimate Edition,” which was released today on Digital HD, is indeed a genuinely superior movie compared to the theatrical version that opened in theaters worldwide just over three months ago. It does feel more like a Superman/Batman two-hander, as opposed to a Batman movie with Superman supporting characters filling out the cast. I would go so far as to say that I “liked” this version of Batman v Superman.It more-or-less works as a kind of uber-dark Elseworld that had no place being the kick-off movie for a mega-budget, mass-market cinematic universe.
That also means that I am not going to rant about how Warner Bros./Time Warner Inc. should have released this version into theaters three months ago either. After all, this “Ultimate Edition” is still a three-hour and very R-rated Superman movie. There is no way in hell that Warner would have released this version into theaters, and it’s silly to presume otherwise. This film ironically suffered from the same problem as Zack Snyder’s Sucker Punch. That fantasy (which I like more than you) was an R-rated movie that had to get whittled down into the PG-13 box, leaving a less comprehensible PG-13 theatrical cut that nonetheless felt like an R-rated movie. So it was a lose/lose.
Sucker Punch should have gone out into release in its original 124-minute R-rated version. I am not so stupid to recommend something similar for Dawn of Justice. The mistake here wasn’t in not releasing this superior version ofBatman v Superman into worldwide theatrical release. The mistake was in allowing Zack Snyder and friends to make aBatman v Superman like this in the first place. As a would-be universe opener, it is almost hilariously misguided, and that the film only makes sense by the addition of even more violence is a testament to that. But, that’s a “mistake” concerning financial considerations, but not necessarily a mistake in terms of “art.” Disconnected by financial and world-building requirements, this cut is an ambitious three-star oddity that somewhat qualifies as “good.”
The new cut feels more like a true Superman/Batman movie. It also makes more sense in an A-to-B-to-C fashion. It does, for better or worse, also hammer home the whole “Lex Luthor was behind everything” bit that I didn’t much care for. The theatrical cut makes more sense if Luthor is not goading Superman and Batman into fighting each other. I still think the “puppet master” stuff is extraneous and it still treats its female characters with general disdain. It still kills off Mercy Graves (Tao Okamoto) and Senator Finch (Holly Hunter), it still imperils Lois Lane at least three times, and it still kidnaps and brutalizes Martha Kent (Diane Lane). And, yes, it still gives Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot) all the depth of a C-level Bond Girl before her the brief action pay-off.
It also still has the same problem with the core showdown between Henry Cavill’s Superman and Ben Affleck’s Batman. The title fight is one rooted in puppet-wrangling and misunderstandings rather than a difference in morality/philosophy. The much-mocked “Martha!” pay-off works fine as storytelling (it’s right there in the opening sequence, as is the Excalibur foreshadowing of Superman’s death). It feels so silly partially because A) they keep repeating the word “Martha” as if it’s a new vocabulary word and B) the fight itself occurs through false pretenses which could have been avoided had Superman flown out of reach and explained to Bruce just what was going on.
The third act is almost the same, save for more action violence, a longer/better funeral montage, and an unnecessary extension of the Lex Luthor/Batman prison conversation. But the first two acts are frankly much improved, while not taking away anything from the stuff that worked the first time (like Jesse Eisenberg’s holier-than-thou Luthor and the crazy dream sequences). Much of the new material involves Lois Lane actively digging up proof of Luthor’s complicity while just giving her more tangential footage. This includes a two-scene cameo by Jena Malone as Lois’s lab tech friend who single-handedly allows the movie to pass the Bechdel Test. We also get more screen-time for Clark Kent as he travels to Gotham and does actual journalism concerning the Batman menace as well as slightly more “Superman being Superman.”
This material, along with bits and pieces for other supporting characters and plenty of connective tissue, makes the movie better and makes Clark and Lois into more active/interesting characters. While Ben Affleck’s Batman/Bruce Wayne still gets plenty of screen-time, he never feels like he’s taking over the movie, and thus his angry “God-Damn Batman” routine isn’t as insufferable. Superman is more heroic, Batman is less of a monster, but the film still falters in terms of arcs. Superman barely has one (it’s the same lesson Kermit learned in The Muppets) and Batman’s arc is dependent on the presumption that the Caped Crusader was once a less-monstrous vigilante. And, truth be told, Dawn of Justice becomes a superhero movie where Superman and Batman stand around while Lex Luthor keeps killing innocent people and then creates a big monster at the end for everyone to fight. As a result, none of the heroes’ actions matter since it’s all predetermined from the beginning.
This version is still an entertaining and interesting Superman/Batman movie about Superman’s role in the world where all actions are inherently political actions with unintended consequences. Snyder bites off more than he can chew, and it still would have worked better with less Batman, but I appreciate the attempt. While much of this extra material makes for a better movie or at least a more coherent one, it comes at a cost. A three-hour R-rated Batman/Superman film was never going to fly in worldwide theatrical release. So instead we got a relatively unsatisfying 152-minute PG-13 cut which still feels R-rated and doesn’t make much sense in terms of minute details.
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice “Ultimate Edition” acts as a quasi-defense for its director. It still looks as awe-inspiringly gorgeous and IMAX-friendly as before, and again I would be thrilled to see Larry Fong get his due credit. I’d still love to watch a series of DC Comics movies that mix naturalistic beauty and grandiose visual majesty as well as this one. And however “inappropriate” it may be that an R-rated Superman movie even exists, this version shows that there was a version of Batman v Superman that made basic coherent sense and somewhat worked as a stand-alone feature film on its own complicated terms.
But since the official cut of the movie that forms the backbone of the DC Films universe cannot be a hyper-violent and R-rated carnage-fest, this version merely exists as trivia. If you’re among those who hated Batman v Superman in theaters, this won’t change your mind. If you loved the theatrical cut, then you’ll love this version too. But for those like myself who felt it was an ambitious near-miss, this is closer to what I wanted, especially in terms of not letting Batman take over the movie. I mean, I wanted a straight (and more overtly heroic) Man of Steel 2, but that merely exists on some alternate Earth (perhaps a brighter timeline).
And it is amusing that all three Superman movies that I now like have superior director’s cuts standing side-by-side with the original theatrical version. Maybe in 25 years someone will make Man of Steel Returns which will mandate this “Ultimate Edition” as the official go-to version. But until then, up, up and away!
Scott Mendelson ,
Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.
Warner Bros.
The Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice “Ultimate Edition,” which was released today on Digital HD, is indeed a genuinely superior movie compared to the theatrical version that opened in theaters worldwide just over three months ago. It does feel more like a Superman/Batman two-hander, as opposed to a Batman movie with Superman supporting characters filling out the cast. I would go so far as to say that I “liked” this version of Batman v Superman.It more-or-less works as a kind of uber-dark Elseworld that had no place being the kick-off movie for a mega-budget, mass-market cinematic universe.
That also means that I am not going to rant about how Warner Bros./Time Warner Inc. should have released this version into theaters three months ago either. After all, this “Ultimate Edition” is still a three-hour and very R-rated Superman movie. There is no way in hell that Warner would have released this version into theaters, and it’s silly to presume otherwise. This film ironically suffered from the same problem as Zack Snyder’s Sucker Punch. That fantasy (which I like more than you) was an R-rated movie that had to get whittled down into the PG-13 box, leaving a less comprehensible PG-13 theatrical cut that nonetheless felt like an R-rated movie. So it was a lose/lose.
Sucker Punch should have gone out into release in its original 124-minute R-rated version. I am not so stupid to recommend something similar for Dawn of Justice. The mistake here wasn’t in not releasing this superior version ofBatman v Superman into worldwide theatrical release. The mistake was in allowing Zack Snyder and friends to make aBatman v Superman like this in the first place. As a would-be universe opener, it is almost hilariously misguided, and that the film only makes sense by the addition of even more violence is a testament to that. But, that’s a “mistake” concerning financial considerations, but not necessarily a mistake in terms of “art.” Disconnected by financial and world-building requirements, this cut is an ambitious three-star oddity that somewhat qualifies as “good.”
The new cut feels more like a true Superman/Batman movie. It also makes more sense in an A-to-B-to-C fashion. It does, for better or worse, also hammer home the whole “Lex Luthor was behind everything” bit that I didn’t much care for. The theatrical cut makes more sense if Luthor is not goading Superman and Batman into fighting each other. I still think the “puppet master” stuff is extraneous and it still treats its female characters with general disdain. It still kills off Mercy Graves (Tao Okamoto) and Senator Finch (Holly Hunter), it still imperils Lois Lane at least three times, and it still kidnaps and brutalizes Martha Kent (Diane Lane). And, yes, it still gives Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot) all the depth of a C-level Bond Girl before her the brief action pay-off.
It also still has the same problem with the core showdown between Henry Cavill’s Superman and Ben Affleck’s Batman. The title fight is one rooted in puppet-wrangling and misunderstandings rather than a difference in morality/philosophy. The much-mocked “Martha!” pay-off works fine as storytelling (it’s right there in the opening sequence, as is the Excalibur foreshadowing of Superman’s death). It feels so silly partially because A) they keep repeating the word “Martha” as if it’s a new vocabulary word and B) the fight itself occurs through false pretenses which could have been avoided had Superman flown out of reach and explained to Bruce just what was going on.
The third act is almost the same, save for more action violence, a longer/better funeral montage, and an unnecessary extension of the Lex Luthor/Batman prison conversation. But the first two acts are frankly much improved, while not taking away anything from the stuff that worked the first time (like Jesse Eisenberg’s holier-than-thou Luthor and the crazy dream sequences). Much of the new material involves Lois Lane actively digging up proof of Luthor’s complicity while just giving her more tangential footage. This includes a two-scene cameo by Jena Malone as Lois’s lab tech friend who single-handedly allows the movie to pass the Bechdel Test. We also get more screen-time for Clark Kent as he travels to Gotham and does actual journalism concerning the Batman menace as well as slightly more “Superman being Superman.”
This material, along with bits and pieces for other supporting characters and plenty of connective tissue, makes the movie better and makes Clark and Lois into more active/interesting characters. While Ben Affleck’s Batman/Bruce Wayne still gets plenty of screen-time, he never feels like he’s taking over the movie, and thus his angry “God-Damn Batman” routine isn’t as insufferable. Superman is more heroic, Batman is less of a monster, but the film still falters in terms of arcs. Superman barely has one (it’s the same lesson Kermit learned in The Muppets) and Batman’s arc is dependent on the presumption that the Caped Crusader was once a less-monstrous vigilante. And, truth be told, Dawn of Justice becomes a superhero movie where Superman and Batman stand around while Lex Luthor keeps killing innocent people and then creates a big monster at the end for everyone to fight. As a result, none of the heroes’ actions matter since it’s all predetermined from the beginning.
This version is still an entertaining and interesting Superman/Batman movie about Superman’s role in the world where all actions are inherently political actions with unintended consequences. Snyder bites off more than he can chew, and it still would have worked better with less Batman, but I appreciate the attempt. While much of this extra material makes for a better movie or at least a more coherent one, it comes at a cost. A three-hour R-rated Batman/Superman film was never going to fly in worldwide theatrical release. So instead we got a relatively unsatisfying 152-minute PG-13 cut which still feels R-rated and doesn’t make much sense in terms of minute details.
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice “Ultimate Edition” acts as a quasi-defense for its director. It still looks as awe-inspiringly gorgeous and IMAX-friendly as before, and again I would be thrilled to see Larry Fong get his due credit. I’d still love to watch a series of DC Comics movies that mix naturalistic beauty and grandiose visual majesty as well as this one. And however “inappropriate” it may be that an R-rated Superman movie even exists, this version shows that there was a version of Batman v Superman that made basic coherent sense and somewhat worked as a stand-alone feature film on its own complicated terms.
But since the official cut of the movie that forms the backbone of the DC Films universe cannot be a hyper-violent and R-rated carnage-fest, this version merely exists as trivia. If you’re among those who hated Batman v Superman in theaters, this won’t change your mind. If you loved the theatrical cut, then you’ll love this version too. But for those like myself who felt it was an ambitious near-miss, this is closer to what I wanted, especially in terms of not letting Batman take over the movie. I mean, I wanted a straight (and more overtly heroic) Man of Steel 2, but that merely exists on some alternate Earth (perhaps a brighter timeline).
And it is amusing that all three Superman movies that I now like have superior director’s cuts standing side-by-side with the original theatrical version. Maybe in 25 years someone will make Man of Steel Returns which will mandate this “Ultimate Edition” as the official go-to version. But until then, up, up and away!
Nope. It wasn't ANYTHING for me to get angry over. Matter of fact... i didn't even register to me... after all these years that their moms had the same name. It could have been left out. Or it could be like it was. Is what it is. I don't see a reason to be angry over it. And like you said i think people just wanted to be mad? And i didn't understand why.
you are just being contrary... forget film maker criticisms or the geek outrage about the concept, myths, editing etc... at the core of it the theatrical cut was a poorly told story that was incoherent half the time- that is unforgivable
same...and I been an avid comic reader...granted more marvel than DC...flick was a halfway decent "ode" to the dark knight returns as far as dealing w/ supes vs. bats...if I had to nitpick supes was supposed to be resurrected by the sun tho while floating in space half dead
in the theatrical cut it came out of left field with 2 poorly developed characters - so it became a well deserved joke... if they released the R rated version in theatres the movie would have gotten grumbles not all out rants jokes and memes
lol @ grumbles...the new review you posted far exceeds "grumbles"
I'm curious...what differences did the extra 30 minutes make? I'll have to read this thread to find out what it is that was lacking that made folks hate on this damn near from the start
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