Charles Barkley: LeBron James will never be a top-five NBA great

Unanimous was definitely some agenda bullshit. I actually think Curry did a lot of bitch-made shit that he got a huge pass for. I think one of the worst things I saw was when they were up big and he was on the bench acting like he was playing video games as if he was controlling the players.. It was extra-level clown shit that was crazy unsportsman-like and any other player who have gotten drilled for that shit. His wife was out of hand.. I think they got arrogant man.
He did that video shit for real?
Wow
Didn't catch that
Additionally
His wife is really out of line
 
Zeke threw a rain forest of shade at Mike after Game 7 (NBA TV)
He said Mike mainly had to do was worry about scoring
LeBron had to score, rebound, pass, assist and block shots for his team to win.
He is telling the truth though

I saw that. But that's what I mean. Zeke has always been one of the main ones calling Jordan the goat. But you can see something is a bit different here. When you go back and reflect on it...and I'm sure a guy like Zeke does and he understands the game more than us...You can appreciate Jordan's greatness but also reflect back on the system the Bulls had. You had the triple post offense that could be run through a fucking shooting guard. So that completely changed the way you could structure a team. They put a bunch of shooters/motion on the offensive end. So you have a skilled guard w/ a superior post game and one of the mid-range games of all time with mismatches all the time. And had an all-around player in Scottie, shooters,and then big guys that weren't very "good" but they could shoot well enough that you had to respect them.. always had good forward (scottie and grant...scottie and rodman).

But the teams were constructed in a way that Scottie when needed to carry the defensive load in the 3rd quarter and starting off the 4th...which allowed Jordan to have the legs to finish the game. It was the perfect system with the perfect players to implement it. I think that team would have run through this Warriors squad because they were better at small ball that the warriors..

but on the other end... the Cavs don't have a great system. They don't have a great coach. They don't have a defensive anchor. Literally, all this shit is working because of one fucking player.

Listen man.. this season was awesome because they won. I actually think Lebron's finals last season (even though his efficiency was down) was even more impressive.. because that team without Lebron that was on that floor was a fucking lottery team and w/ Lebron they took the Warriors to 6 games and that ended mainly because Lebron was just burned out... he took a bum squad to 6 games against the warriors...and make no mistakes about it.. without Kyrie and Love, that team was fucking GARBAGE.
 
I agree with everything you just said
It's the IQ
You think him bulking up would help?
Not sure if it would take away from what he does best. He's not a weak kid, and his style of play doesn't warrant bulk per se. I think maybe 10 pounds or so, but he made things easy for the Cavs by playing directly in to their hands and just jacking 3s and taking the pressure off of their defense
 
...oh, you mean, showing up a team you're beating while the game is still going on like this :rolleyes:


Oh. I roasted Lebron for that shit too when it happened too. That shit is not a good look and Lebron learned his lesson. I don't think he learned it fully until after game 3 of the Mavs series when him and wade did that silly shit after the game (which I already mentioned).
 
Man yall niggas got damn near 40 pages talking about Lebron and over analyzing Losses. Yall should be ashamed of yourselves.
 
Tallblack isnt gonna talk about the series that just happened. She never saw MJ put on a performance like that and dominate in every stat category. She will simply bring up what happened 5 years ago instead. She used to say Bron only won cuz he formed "Voltron" and joined the Heat, now she can no longer say that so bringing up Dallas is her only resort. Dallas swept Kobe, beat Durant in 5 games that year so its not like LeBron was the only HOFer to lose to them as bad as he played. Imagine someone in 92 after Jordan won another chip saying "so, Celtics swept him 5-6 years ago! A true GOAT wouldnt allow that", no one ever did that or pulled that stunt. In fact folks go out of their way to NOT blame MJ for the team getting their ass whooped and him coming up small.
u like to say bird swept jordan..i juss said all time greats like bruce bowen swept lebron in the finals..u like to point out 1 person flaws but mysteriously have a problem when i point out someone else.. u said jordan shot a weak 40+percent vs the blazers in the finals..i juss pointed out that lebron only shot 35 percent vs bruce bowen in his final..i mean weakness for weakness..u shouldn't have a problem with people pointing out flaws when u love to do to others.. 23 final losses a great stat for lebron the great..u said i can't point out when jordan had as great as finals as lebron i also can't point out jordan having shitty 1's like lebron also.. i can't find the jordan getting swept in the finals and only shooting 35 percent..i can't find the finals where jordan only average 17 points in a final series.. i also can't find jordan getting owned byall time greats iggy and turning them to finals mvp.. see i can't find the best or the worst jordan to lebron comparison u love to bring up
 
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I saw that. But that's what I mean. Zeke has always been one of the main ones calling Jordan the goat. But you can see something is a bit different here. When you go back and reflect on it...and I'm sure a guy like Zeke does and he understands the game more than us...You can appreciate Jordan's greatness but also reflect back on the system the Bulls had. You had the triple post offense that could be run through a fucking shooting guard. So that completely changed the way you could structure a team. They put a bunch of shooters/motion on the offensive end. So you have a skilled guard w/ a superior post game and one of the mid-range games of all time with mismatches all the time. And had an all-around player in Scottie, shooters,and then big guys that weren't very "good" but they could shoot well enough that you had to respect them.. always had good forward (scottie and grant...scottie and rodman).

But the teams were constructed in a way that Scottie when needed to carry the defensive load in the 3rd quarter and starting off the 4th...which allowed Jordan to have the legs to finish the game. It was the perfect system with the perfect players to implement it. I think that team would have run through this Warriors squad because they were better at small ball that the warriors..

but on the other end... the Cavs don't have a great system. They don't have a great coach. They don't have a defensive anchor. Literally, all this shit is working because of one fucking player.

Listen man.. this season was awesome because they won. I actually think Lebron's finals last season (even though his efficiency was down) was even more impressive.. because that team without Lebron that was on that floor was a fucking lottery team and w/ Lebron they took the Warriors to 6 games and that ended mainly because Lebron was just burned out... he took a bum squad to 6 games against the warriors...and make no mistakes about it.. without Kyrie and Love, that team was fucking GARBAGE.

Excellent points.
One thing about Zeke
He knows the Game, no doubt.
His ability to express his knowledge is excellent.
He goes into X's and O's as well as the psychology . He can also speak from experience.
You are a Detroit man. I can only imagine how it felt to see that man play his heart out on a severely injured ankle. He knows what"leave it on the floor" really means.
Despite Jordan and his acrimonious relationship, I really haven't seen him do anything but give the utmost respect to Jordan's accomplishments.
When he made the point about what LeBron had to do for the team to be successful, I was taken aback slightly. Not because it isn't true. Moreso the messenger.
Nonetheless, he spoke truthfully.
As you so well stated.

To your point about coaching and system? Spot on. It makes a huge difference. LeBron had rarely been the benefit of decent coaching until maybe this year. I respect what Lue was able to do. Even that though is about Bron. He has to buy in for the coach to be effective.
 
What else are we supposed to talk about until football season? Man this is the most boring time of the sports' year :lol:
For real
It happened just last Sunday.
Plus you and I have been talking basketball for the past, what, ten years?
Damn sure ain't gonna talk about baseball. Can't wait till that shit is over.
Unless the Cubs win.
On a side note, I appreciate that we can have a discussion and maintain civility.
 
He was doing this shit after every score.. but mainly way more clowning than this

Think about your list of MVPs..could you imagine any of them doing this shit on the sidelines after game 2?



Well, I really don't give him wrong for that.
It was shortly after this game Blatt got fired?
They got blown the fuck out.
But I get your point
The humble guy routine took a hit throughout the Finals.
 
This isn't s big deal either
Shit , 82 games a year? Got to keep it fun somehow.

It is from the perspective of, you're blowing out a team and during game action you do this stuff! That's what had Noah so pissed. Anyone seeing this knows what LeBron is doing. If they were down 20 he wouldn't have been doing it just like when GS was losing you had no vids of Curry playing video games. Mad disrespectful to the other team in each instance, no matter what the context is...
 
Not sure if it would take away from what he does best. He's not a weak kid, and his style of play doesn't warrant bulk per se. I think maybe 10 pounds or so, but he made things easy for the Cavs by playing directly in to their hands and just jacking 3s and taking the pressure off of their defense
You are right
He is deceptively strong
How much can he really drive with his injury history?
Dwade drives his whole career and is built like a tank . You see the toll it takes.
 
u like to say bird swept jordan..i juss said all time greats like bruce bowen swept lebron in the finals..u like to point out 1 person flaws but mysteriously have a problem when i point out someone else.. u said jordan shot a weak 40+percent vs the blazers in the finals..i juss pointed out that lebron only shot 35 percent vs bruce bowen in his final..i mean weakness for weakness..u shouldn't have a problem with people pointing out flaws when u love to do to others.. 23 final losses a great stat for lebron the great..u said i can't point out when jordan had as great as finals as lebron i also can't point out jordan having shitty 1's like lebron also.. i can't find the jordan getting swept in the finals and only shooting 35 percent..i can't find the finals where jordan only average 17 points in a final series.. i also can't find jordan getting owned byall time greats iggy and turning them to finals mvp.. see i can't find the best or the worst jordan to lebron comparison u love to bring up

More ether... early in the morning.... Damn :itsawrap:
 
It is from the perspective of, you're blowing out a team and during game action you do this stuff! That's what had Noah so pissed. Anyone seeing this knows what LeBron is doing. If they were down 20 he wouldn't have been doing it just like when GS was losing you had no vids of Curry playing video games. Mad disrespectful to the other team in each instance, no matter what the context is...

Not disagreeing with you per se

But anyone but Noah.

Noah is antagonist extraordinare
 
You are right
He is deceptively strong
How much can he really drive with his injury history?
Dwade drives his whole career and is built like a tank . You see the toll it takes.

No doubt, but he has to mix it up, to keep defense honest. Looking back on the season, the worse thing that happened was him to be able to make 35 footers in game action. At that point it became his focus, the big splashy play. Even though he had some lapses, as the season progressed Klay became the more consistent offensive player of the two. He knew when to drive, and when to take the 3. He let the game needs dictate it. He started playing 'basketball', chilled with all those flashy behind the back passes, etc. and went about his work.

Steph on the other hand, actually regressed, avoided the basic bounce or chest pass most of the time, using his offense to create space from 25 feet out instead of going north/south, and once the Cavs started trapping him off picks, shading him, he became ineffective. That's why Tristan was able to guard him so well, all he had to do was play solid lateral defense and use his length to contest Currys jumpshot, and in the oft times he did drive, he was looking behind himself not being super aggressive because of the amount of times his jump shot was blocked or altered.

Cleveland got in his head in the finals, but he actual gave them the 'cheat code' to do it by his perimeter mindset.
 
u like to say bird swept jordan..i juss said all time greats like bruce bowen swept lebron in the finals..u like to point out 1 person flaws but mysteriously have a problem when i point out someone else.. u said jordan shot a weak 40+percent vs the blazers in the finals..i juss pointed out that lebron only shot 35 percent vs bruce bowen in his final..i mean weakness for weakness..u shouldn't have a problem with people pointing out flaws when u love to do to others.. 23 final losses a great stat for lebron the great..u said i can't point out when jordan had as great as finals as lebron i also can't point out jordan having shitty 1's like lebron also.. i can't find the jordan getting swept in the finals and only shooting 35 percent..i can't find the finals where jordan only average 17 points in a final series.. i also can't find jordan getting owned byall time greats iggy and turning them to finals mvp.. see i can't find the best or the worst jordan to lebron comparison u love to bring up

 
No doubt, but he has to mix it up, to keep defense honest. Looking back on the season, the worse thing that happened was him to be able to make 35 footers in game action. At that point it became his focus, the big splashy play. Even though he had some lapses, as the season progressed Klay became the more consistent offensive player of the two. He knew when to drive, and when to take the 3. He let the game needs dictate it. He started playing 'basketball', chilled with all those flashy behind the back passes, etc. and went about his work.

Steph on the other hand, actually regressed, avoided the basic bounce or chest pass most of the time, using his offense to create space from 25 feet out instead of going north/south, and once the Cavs started trapping him off picks, shading him, he became ineffective. That's why Tristan was able to guard him so well, all he had to do was play solid lateral defense and use his length to contest Currys jumpshot, and in the oft times he did drive, he was looking behind himself not being super aggressive because of the amount of times his jump shot was blocked or altered.

Cleveland got in his head in the finals, but he actual gave them the 'cheat code' to do it by his perimeter mindset.
Spot on
Thanks
 

i respects dude "amazingness"..he has a 57 percent chance of losing the finals..he has a 58/59 percent chance of losing a final game..amazingness...he's lost 6 more times than he has won..17-23 record in the finals..butter bean prob had a better boxing record amazingness..i also prob could find 4 diff vids of finals that lebron was in that will show bruce bowen, jason terry, iggy, and manu doing the samething lebron doin..amazingness
 
i respects dude "amazingness"..he has a 57 percent chance of losing the finals..he has a 58/59 percent chance of losing a final game..amazingness...he's lost 6 more times than he has won..17-23 record in the finals..butter bean prob had a better boxing record amazingness..i also prob could find 4 diff vids of finals that lebron was in that will show bruce bowen, jason terry, iggy, and manu doing the samething lebron doin..amazingness

"amazingness"---- You are hilarious Dude!!! :roflmao3:
 
i respects dude "amazingness"..he has a 57 percent chance of losing the finals..he has a 58/59 percent chance of losing a final game..amazingness...he's lost 6 more times than he has won..17-23 record in the finals..butter bean prob had a better boxing record amazingness..i also prob could find 4 diff vids of finals that lebron was in that will show bruce bowen, jason terry, iggy, and manu doing the samething lebron doin..amazingness

i


Bron made MJ irrelevant. Look at the shine son!
 
His wife running her mouth, those non threating conservative shoes and him throwing his pacifier after getting fouled out was very telling. Curry is a flat out baller but him being the first ever unanimous definitely had an agenda behind it. Personally I had Westbrook as season MVP last year.
Sure was.
 
Zeke threw a rain forest of shade at Mike after Game 7 (NBA TV)
He said Mike mainly had to do was worry about scoring
LeBron had to score, rebound, pass, assist and block shots for his team to win.
He is telling the truth though

Zeke don't know shit about basketball man. Not one damn thing. Lebron ain't really do shit. Leading both teams in scoring, rebounds, assists, blocks, ain't shit man. He lost the finals in 2011. Zeke needs the Skip Cult to teach him about basketball. :eek:
 
i respects dude "amazingness"..he has a 57 percent chance of losing the finals..he has a 58/59 percent chance of losing a final game..amazingness...he's lost 6 more times than he has won..17-23 record in the finals..butter bean prob had a better boxing record amazingness..i also prob could find 4 diff vids of finals that lebron was in that will show bruce bowen, jason terry, iggy, and manu doing the samething lebron doin..amazingness

What other player in the history of the NBA has led his team down 3-1 in the Finals against the unanimous MVP AND a record breaking regular season team? Bringing up 2011 is really creepy dude. You need to let that go.
 
What other player in the history of the NBA has led his team down 3-1 in the Finals against the unanimous MVP AND a record breaking regular season team? Bringing up 2011 is really creepy dude. You need to let that go.
It's funny. Their defense was geared to stop Lebron and let the other guys win. Unfortunately, those are the same guys Lebron had to lead in scoring, rebounding, and assists when Miami won its 2 chips.

What other player led three finals winning teams in points, rebounding, and assists? Can someone please answer that trivia question?
 
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