Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

[darth frosty]

http://verysmartbrothas.com/game-of-thrones-recap-season-6-episode-9-battle-of-the-bastards/


Long read but has some good points like:

Jon Snow Stark Targareyn has been in a pissy mood since being resurrected by the red witch. I mean prior to his death he was always very serious and brooding, but lately he’s had an attitude. Now I get very cranky when I am awakened abruptly from a deep sleep. So I can’t imagine a nigga shaking me out of necrosis, I might be really pissed…especially if I arose only to come back to the same shit that got killed me in the first place. Jon is tired of all the conflict. But ever since Ramsay called his ass out in the most fantastic written display of shit talking I’ve ever read, Jon has to do battle…again.

And

Kudos to Daenerys for promoting diversity in the workplace. With the addition of Yara and Theon to its roster, Team Meereen now boasts an army of eunuchs, a dwarf, three dragons, a jigalo, a black woman, a sorceress, a tribe of horselords, a dickless nobleman and a lesbian warrior. And if that weren’t enough, Princess Pyro is all about female empowerment. She wants to help women break through the glass ceiling. You see, when Yara and Theon appear out of nowhere and request that she support Yara’s claim to the Salt Throne in exchange for a fleet of 100 ships, Daenerys was quite accommodating. Let’s be honest, if she wanted to, the bitch could just take their ships….that’s what she does, take shit from niggas. But instead, Daenerys was fair and gracious.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

Hind sight 20 20 and all but shoulda turned around and ran backwards. At least he could gage which direction the arrows are coming. But he was a Stark after all

He couldn't change direction. His ride to save his brother took him well into the range of the arrows.

That's what made the people who felt that he should have zig zag argument look silly. Ramsey was only stalling for Jon to get into range so he could encircle him.

 

[PsiBorg]

Let’s be honest, if she wanted to, the bitch could just take their ships….that’s what she does, take shit from niggas. But instead, Daenerys was fair and gracious.

It's true, she could take the ships. But, who's going to sail the ships? She's going to need seasoned sailors to sail those ships that are going to be full of wild a** Dothraki (whom aren't sea people at all. They are going to be nervous as f*ck on the water. The horses are going to nervous as well).

If storms hit on the sea, she's going to want sailors that have experience with that sh*t... I doubt that the sailors from Meereen have sailed the oceans with an army (and horses). They may have sailed close to home, only. Going to Westeros with a fleet is something different. She was wise to accept Yara into the fold. Yara has experience in sailing; she knows the oceans well. The Ironborn are like "Vikings" and they'll be hella useful on many levels. She's just going to have to keep them in line.

 

[ghoststrike]

You've said a lot of nothing. If you can't name great opponents in those battles it doesn't mean anything. Its not like he fought the mountain, the hound,Oberyn or anyone else of note (that I recall).

Next I called the some of the men Jon trained on the nights watch novice not Jon himself which is a fact. Even with that it's not as if Jon had years of real battle experience prior to the watch.

The legendary battle you speak of was his sister victory or maybe little fingers. As I said before the historians may change the facts, but everyone who was there on the field knows the truth. Ned didn't really defeat Arthur Dayne, yet up until Brans vision it was believed that Ned killed one of the most skilled fighters of their time.

By no means am I saying Ramsey was a great fighter, but he seemed to be more talented as a fighter than how he dies. Not only that but the scene doesn't make sense.even if Ramsey is a better bowman, it doesn't make sense to not switch to swords or daggers for a close range fight. It's not like Jon ran up on him and we all can agree Ramsey was tactical.

You said Jon wasn't legendary. I provided numerous examples of LEGENDARY FEATS accomplished by Jon that prove otherwise.

Now you're attempting to move the goal post to known (but now dead and irrelevant) opponents (i.e. Oberyn, Mountain) LOL as if slicing up NUMEROUS skilled knights on a battlefield doesn't illustrate masterful swordsmanship. The victors write history not the losing "bosstard". Ramsey is nothing (physically and historically speaking) in contrast to Jon who is immortalized both physically (rebirth) with tales of his legendary feats and historically in the books beyond his physical life.

Ramsey was a skilled tactician and a errrr ummmm, forest hunter (not masterful fighter) lol. It was the cowardly hunter in him that made him opt for shooting arrows instead of pulling out daggers. So it made perfect sense actually. Lord Beilish (Little Finger) was the better tactician that waited until both sides were depleted to easily pick apart what remained of the Ramsey/Umber/Karstark army with little, if any, casualties for the Knights of the Vale.

 

[Flawless]

http://verysmartbrothas.com/game-of-thrones-recap-season-6-episode-9-battle-of-the-bastards/


Long read but has some good points like:

Jon Snow Stark Targareyn has been in a pissy mood since being resurrected by the red witch. I mean prior to his death he was always very serious and brooding, but lately he’s had an attitude. Now I get very cranky when I am awakened abruptly from a deep sleep. So I can’t imagine a nigga shaking me out of necrosis, I might be really pissed…especially if I arose only to come back to the same shit that got killed me in the first place. Jon is tired of all the conflict. But ever since Ramsay called his ass out in the most fantastic written display of shit talking I’ve ever read, Jon has to do battle…again.

And

Kudos to Daenerys for promoting diversity in the workplace. With the addition of Yara and Theon to its roster, Team Meereen now boasts an army of eunuchs, a dwarf, three dragons, a jigalo, a black woman, a sorceress, a tribe of horselords, a dickless nobleman and a lesbian warrior. And if that weren’t enough, Princess Pyro is all about female empowerment. She wants to help women break through the glass ceiling. You see, when Yara and Theon appear out of nowhere and request that she support Yara’s claim to the Salt Throne in exchange for a fleet of 100 ships, Daenerys was quite accommodating. Let’s be honest, if she wanted to, the bitch could just take their ships….that’s what she does, take shit from niggas. But instead, Daenerys was fair and gracious.

The Salt isles has the best ship crew in westeros, no one fucks with them on water, unfortunately all the good shit is on land so they can keep their sea

 

[Flawless]

You said Jon wasn't legendary. I provided numerous examples of LEGENDARY FEATS accomplished by Jon that prove otherwise.

Now you're attempting to move the goal post to known (but now dead and irrelevant) opponents (i.e. Oberyn, Mountain) LOL as if slicing up NUMEROUS skilled knights on a battlefield doesn't illustrate masterful swordsmanship. The victors write history not the losing "bosstard". Ramsey is nothing (physically and historically speaking) in contrast to Jon who is immortalized both physically (rebirth) with tales of his legendary feats and historically in the books beyond his physical life.

Ramsey was a skilled tactician and a errrr ummmm, forest hunter (not masterful fighter) lol. It was the cowardly hunter in him that made him opt for shooting arrows instead of pulling out daggers. So it made perfect sense actually. Lord Beilish (Little Finger) was the better tactician that waited until both sides were depleted to easily pick apart what remained of the Ramsey/Umber/Karstark army with little, if any, casualties for the Knights of the Vale.

You are reading way more into it than the writers probably even do, if Ramsey was such a Skilled tactician he would have left his father alive and let him destroy Jon before making his move.

 

[ghoststrike]

Flawless, I was saying Ramsey was a skilled tactician, militarily, not overall

Politically? fuck to the nah lol

 

[guyver]

You said Jon wasn't legendary. I provided numerous examples of LEGENDARY FEATS accomplished by Jon that prove otherwise.

Now you're attempting to move the goal post to known (but now dead and irrelevant) opponents (i.e. Oberyn, Mountain) LOL as if slicing up NUMEROUS skilled knights on a battlefield doesn't illustrate masterful swordsmanship. The victors write history not the losing "bosstard". Ramsey is nothing (physically and historically speaking) in contrast to Jon who is immortalized both physically (rebirth) with tales of his legendary feats and historically in the books beyond his physical life.

Ramsey was a skilled tactician and a errrr ummmm, forest hunter (not masterful fighter) lol. It was the cowardly hunter in him that made him opt for shooting arrows instead of pulling out daggers. So it made perfect sense actually. Lord Beilish (Little Finger) was the better tactician that waited until both sides were depleted to easily pick apart what remained of the Ramsey/Umber/Karstark army with little, if any, casualties for the Knights of the Vale.

I not going to keep going back and fourth so we can agree to disagree after this and your chance to rebuff. I have been consistent in defining what I mean by legendary/great fighter. Ive purley been defining it by the displayed skill of Jon Snow which you (or anyone else) have never been able to give an example of his supposd greatness as a one on one fighter or mention of his great fights by others telling stories and not what battles he has taken place in or who follows/respects him. I never said Ramsey was a great warrior. What I have said was that the final fight between the two was bullshit considering Ramsey was a serious threat/villian. I' ve also stated that Ramsey clearly had hand to hand fighting skills and was not limited to just a bow, so it could have been a better final fight. We all agree that Ramsey was tactical. Are you really telling me someone like Ramsey would never think to change tactics to improve his chance of living. I could careless about what great battles Jon has taken place in or the respect he gets from others. Nothing that you are talking about proves that Jon was a great fighter or that Ramsey had no chance/little chance of winning against Jon. More importantly even if I agreed that Jon is a great fighter, it doesnt change my opinion that the fight scene between two should have been better and longer.

Dead or alive (I could be mistaken) the people Ive named are/were considerd elite fighters and in some if not all cases feared. As Ive said ( could be wrong) Jon hasnt fought/defeated anyone with a name for you or anyone to consider him great.I'm not sure if anyone has even said Jon was a great fighter; maybe skilled. By your standards anyone who has killed and lived to tell the story is legendary as long as it took part in a major battle. You can say I'm moving the goal post, but I consider it giving you examples of supposed great fighters and they are the type of fighter he would need to defeat to be great in my eyes and not just your everyday soldier. Using Ned as an example, I even showed you how history (great battles) can be slightly rewritten to enhance someones stats. Before you bring up the white walker, would you consider Sam a great fighter for killing one?

At this point, Jon Snow is something like a jack of all traits. Good at a lot of things and respected by his peers, but not really clearly great at anything at this point. I don't even really count the books, but all I'm saying is base your responses on facts that you can pull from the story that are not overly board or left up to interpertation. For instance on the show, you are assuming Little Finger planned his entry, yet it hasnt been stated yet ( could have been said and I missed it). For all we know that just happened to be the time the Vale showed up and was not tactical at all. Even your statement about Jon being historically legendary makes little sense. Outside of the people who took part in the recent events ( one of the key ones you said Jons rebirth) few people are more than likely aware of his history. I get what you are trying to say, but your looking at it from our point of view instead of putting it in the context of the their world and its real time events.

 

[ghoststrike]

^^^^^^^^You keep trying to big up a cowardly forest hunter that threw 11th hour Hail Mary arrow shots who obviously wanted no parts of Jon in a duel. So rising as a leader of different squadrons, having epic battles, and possessing masterful swordsmanship that is well-known (and shown on the battlefield), and rising from the FUCKING dead is not legendary?

Stop the madness.

Non-great warriors don't wind up killing a walker KNIGHT (not to be confused with a white walker) so that example of Sam killing a white walker is not equivalent. You keep bringing up Ned Stark as if they're in the same skill set league, again hilarious

If you think that Little Finger didn't plan his entry, you don't understand how LF operates. Ramsey is not even on the same FUCKING planet as LF, tactician-wise. LF is 30 steps ahead of everybody. So, LF's entry point on the battlefield was luck? Stop it Put it this way, "luck" or "not tactical at all" doesn't enable you to influence most of the kingdoms of Westeros without even sitting on the iron throne. That's LF.

What I was saying is that looking ahead, Jon will be in the Westeros history books (immortalized) as opposed to Ramsey. That simple.

So Jon is not legendary and LF simply got lucky. I need whatever you're smoking lol

 

[Amajorfucup]

Non-great warriors don't wind up killing a walker KNIGHT (not to be confused with a white walker) so that example of Sam killing a white walker is not equivalent.

This is an important distinction.

 

[Soufboy]

Shit went out the window when Jon dumb ass went after Reckon. They went to go get his ass.

Jon should have talk to Black fish about those kind of setups.


Who run the north? We Do! Who run the North? We do!! Now show them!

Man that war chant had me hyped, I'm sitting in front of the TV beating my chest like "We do mfers, we run the north, let's go!!!"

 

[ghoststrike]

This is an important distinction.

Yeah man its why I SMH at the "but but but..Jon didn't square off against the Mountain (or the Hound or Oberyn or whoever the hell else lol)" excuses when the walker knight was a larger, had brute strength and faster (certainly faster than molasses Mountain lol). The walker knight was a more terrifying adversary and had mystical weaponry, which only Valaryian steel (Jons sword) could counter.

 

[Winslow Wong]

^^^^^^^^You keep trying to big up a cowardly forest hunter that threw 11th hour Hail Mary arrow shots who obviously wanted no parts of Jon in a duel. So rising as a leader of different squadrons, having epic battles, and possessing masterful swordsmanship that is well-known (and shown on the battlefield), and rising from the FUCKING dead is not legendary?

Stop the madness.

Non-great warriors don't wind up killing a walker KNIGHT (not to be confused with a white walker) so that example of Sam killing a white walker is not equivalent. You keep bringing up Ned Stark as if they're in the same skill set league, again hilarious

If you think that Little Finger didn't plan his entry, you don't understand how LF operates. Ramsey is not even on the same FUCKING planet as LF, tactician-wise. LF is 30 steps ahead of everybody. So, LF's entry point on the battlefield was luck? Stop it Put it this way, "luck" or "not tactical at all" doesn't enable you to influence most of the kingdoms of Westeros without even sitting on the iron throne. That's LF.

What I was saying is that looking ahead, Jon will be in the Westeros history books (immortalized) as opposed to Ramsey. That simple.

So Jon is not legendary and LF simply got lucky. I need whatever you're smoking lol

Ramsey Who?

 

[LSN]

BGOL be like so what he came back to life? not impressed.

 

[donhustle]

In any battle ,it aint how you won.You just WON!!!!

 

[BlkStrength]

 

[lengthy]

http://verysmartbrothas.com/game-of-thrones-recap-season-6-episode-9-battle-of-the-bastards/


Long read but has some good points like:

Jon Snow Stark Targareyn has been in a pissy mood since being resurrected by the red witch. I mean prior to his death he was always very serious and brooding, but lately he’s had an attitude. Now I get very cranky when I am awakened abruptly from a deep sleep. So I can’t imagine a nigga shaking me out of necrosis, I might be really pissed…especially if I arose only to come back to the same shit that got killed me in the first place. Jon is tired of all the conflict. But ever since Ramsay called his ass out in the most fantastic written display of shit talking I’ve ever read, Jon has to do battle…again.

And

Kudos to Daenerys for promoting diversity in the workplace. With the addition of Yara and Theon to its roster, Team Meereen now boasts an army of eunuchs, a dwarf, three dragons, a jigalo, a black woman, a sorceress, a tribe of horselords, a dickless nobleman and a lesbian warrior. And if that weren’t enough, Princess Pyro is all about female empowerment. She wants to help women break through the glass ceiling. You see, when Yara and Theon appear out of nowhere and request that she support Yara’s claim to the Salt Throne in exchange for a fleet of 100 ships, Daenerys was quite accommodating. Let’s be honest, if she wanted to, the bitch could just take their ships….that’s what she does, take shit from niggas. But instead, Daenerys was fair and gracious.

Who's the Jiggalo?

Mr. Lengthy

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Who's the Jiggalo?

Mr. Lengthy

Daario.

 

[ghoststrike]

BGOL be like so what he came back to life? not impressed.

That what happens when hardcore fans of Ramsey (the psychotic Joker of Westeros) cope with their homey no longer being in the GAME.

They're in mourning lashing out calling Jon a non-legend....calling Little Finger lucky and shit lol

 

[ViCiouS]

 

[MonkeyBizness]

GRRM is cold-blooded.

 

[LSN]

GRRM is cold-blooded.

ohhh shit...just peeped the irony...damn

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

I just saw that. You ain't shit. lol not shit at all. lol

 

[tanks1]

Questions for the fam? Who now is in charge of the house of Bolton? House of Umbers ?

 

[Simply Sickenin']

Questions for the fam? Who now is in charge of the house of Bolton? House of Umbers ?

If Sansa gets want she wants, House Bolton is about to get Rains of Castamered .... razed to the fucking ground!
And if Little Finger is truly trying to wife/fuck her, that might be the gift that he has to give her to get what he wants.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Dam that little muthafucka grew!

 

[LSN]

Dam that little muthafucka grew!

yep 5/6 years will do that

 

[tanks1]

If Sansa gets want she wants, House Bolton is about to get Rains of Castamered .... razed to the fucking ground!
And if Little Finger is truly trying to wife/fuck her, that might be the gift that he has to give her to get what he wants.

so i guess the castle is destroyed and all the common people come under the Stark banner? The north has now lost 3 armies, with a couple thousand dead warriors approaching.

 

[Give Me 3ft.]

Questions for the fam? Who now is in charge of the house of Bolton? House of Umbers ?

No one, it no longer exist.

And I'm sure the houses that

were Under Bolton rule will

Perish as well.

 

[LSN]

No one, it no longer exist.

And I'm sure the houses that

were Under Bolton rule will

Perish as well.

I think he meant the house physically...their original castle...lands...etc

 

[MonkeyBizness]

Questions for the fam? Who now is in charge of the house of Bolton? House of Umbers ?

The Free Folk will probably get it. They gonna move into House Bolton and turn that shit into a medieval ghetto.

 

[TheFuser]

The Free Folk will probably get it. They gonna move into House Bolton and turn that shit into a medieval ghetto.

Word. And let Tormund rule over that shit. House Giantsbane

 

[PsiBorg]

Questions for the fam? Who now is in charge of the house of Bolton? House of Umbers ?

I believe that the Umbers and the Karstarks will get to keep their houses. They'll be punished, but I think they'll survive. It's just like Robert let the Ironborn survive after they rebelled. That's how Ned ended up with Theon.

The Boltons are another matter. If I was Jon and Sansa, I'd kill every single Bolton; no matter where they're at, no matter how old they are. I'd create a bounty on the name Bolton in perpetuity. I'd let the Free Folk have the Bolton's lands and castles. It would be a crime to even say the name Bolton in the North.

 

[lowlite]

Questions for the fam? Who now is in charge of the house of Bolton? House of Umbers ?

You mean the late house Bolton? That shit over.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Dam that little muthafucka grew!

Somebody from the house Bolton. Some cousin we havn't seen.