2015-2016 NBA playoff edition: Finals - Cavs vs Warriors - Cavs win 4-3

Who's you going with Cavs or Warriors!!!


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bad comparison, Magic had teammates around him he could count on

Magic could have put up 30 and 10...but didn't have to...and it wasn't the best for the team

Lebron has to...and sometimes chooses not too
It's not a bad comparison..I'm not talking about teammates..again i said he'd more like magic than Jordan..Bron wants to pass first, he's always been like that..he loves making the "right basketball play"..he just wants the offense run thru him..so it's like being unselfish selfish feel me..i just don't think his iq is a high as magic..
 
When people make the killer instinct/finisher argument, it ignores the areas where all of those other players who they consider killers are lacking.

If his jumper wasn't broken, none of that other shit would even matter.

A broken jumper, and going against a team that can mask their shortcomings by making 15+ 3 pointers a game are the real problems here.
 
When people make the killer instinct/finisher argument, it ignores the areas where all of those other players who they consider killers are lacking.

If his jumper wasn't broken, none of that other shit would even matter.

A broken jumper, and going against a team that can mask their shortcomings by making 15+ 3 pointers a game are the real problems here.

lol @ mask shortcomings.
making 15 3's is a strength. it was all hi fives when the cavs made 20 then 25 of em right? lol

the team plays hard on defense and that's when we have a chance to win period.

the offense is the offense. if you run it fully you get a good shot every trip.
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lol @ mask shortcomings.
making 15 3's is a strength. it was all hi fives when the cavs made 20 then 25 of em right? lol

the team plays hard on defense and that's when we have a chance to win period.

the offense is the offense. if you run it fully you get a good shot every trip.
simple
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GS can win games with their shooting. They can get out-rebounded, have twice as many turnovers and half as many freet throw attempts and still win, because they redeem themselves by making 3s when the other team is only making 2s. It's happened several times in these playoffs already. That's all I'm saying.
 
comes down to effort and playing smart period.
play hard and run the offense.
they didn't even attempt to do it in game 3. (the starters)
The warriors i think sometime believe the hype..u can tell by how they played game 3..they never seemed fazed by the lost..green was taking pics with fans after the game..i think they know when they are healthy no one can beat them..
 
GS can win games with their shooting. They can get out-rebounded, have twice as many turnovers and half as many freet throw attempts and still win, because they redeem themselves by making 3s when the other team is only making 2s. It's happened several times in these playoffs already. That's all I'm saying.
And that right there is amazing..it's never happened like this before..we have never seen a team do this...
 
That doesn't explain his drop in 3 point shooting from 40% to 30%. As a matter of fact, these are his 3 point shooting numbers every year since that season

41% Miami
38% Miami
35% Cleveland
30% Cleveland

This is his worst 3 point shooting year since his rookie season. This is way bigger than the positional issue.

and his 2 point shooting has remained historically high for him (over the mean). FOr instance, he shot 57% from two range this season. It's his outside shooting that has dropped. You're not really looking at the real data + look at his shot chart. His shot is GONE.
Him playing the 4 gave him easy buckets which is why he shot so well. With him playing closers to the bucket he did not take many 3 pointers. The ones he did take were extremely good Looks.

Him trying to play on the perimeter now make his shooting worse because he is not as quick as he was before so now smaller players can now get in his space
 
Nothing short of it. Maybe bills thought I was trying to short them, but I'm not.


Fuck them ni99as, though.
Lol lol i don't think u was..but these mofos play defense also..Klay and green are elite defenders so is bogut and iggy..and curry is better than what people give him credit for..GS is a great team!!!!
 
He delivers to a point but. ........with this team though he had a hand in creating it so no excuses..i don't wanna hear love ain't this or that..i don't wanna hear Irving don't play defense or is too selfish..i don't wanna hear TT can't score..all this he had a hand in and he wanted them...and i want people that said GS reason for winning was because cavs were hurt..where they at? ??????
Yeah man... And while its not fair to expect LeBron to alter his game at 31 to be this KILLER, he should with all his gift be able to adjust as the gamr dictates, and become THE MAN in critical point, i.e. game 4 in the 4th quarter. Where is the LeBron who scored 25 straight against Detroit in the 4th quarter and OT? THAT version of LeBron would have stake a legit claim as the GOAT... This version, not so much.
 
+- on all those fucking rebounds. That means they would have gone into the 4th with damn near a double digit lead if he hadn't given up all those points. He's definitely to blame and plays a major role because he can't defend nor rebound against this team.
I hate love also and give him a hard time but let's be real. The lead was only 2 going into the 4th and he sat the 4th and the Cavs got out scored. To blame love is not fair.
 
While I understand the fact that other players have showed up smedium for thw Cavs, what LeBron IS NOT doing has nothing to do with them. They cant be blamed for his ineffective play.
 
I hate love also and give him a hard time but let's be real. The lead was only 2 going into the 4th and he sat the 4th and the Cavs got out scored. To blame love is not fair.
EXACTLY!!!! Varejao has a 4 min stretch when he had 3 rebounds in the 3rd, but yeah, that was the difference in the game. Not the 7 lay ups LeBron missed, or the possessions Kyrie wasted freelancing, or the pathetic defends Shunpert played on Curry, or Thompson disappearing in the second half... those THREE rebounds cost Cle the game. :hmm:
 
Something is missing from his formative years, he rarely taps into that me against all odds zen like focus all HOF players do.

He's almost a better Grant Hill. We all know a guy who is just gifted but without a trail to overcome early in life ...the ego/identity never evolves

He's 6'8" and 9 feet from the hoop and won't shoot a hook or fadeaway ? an NBA champion ? He's fighting against himself ...and losing.

His lip service is incensere, he lacks faith in himself cause he's never overachieved. He's always been physically superior but at 31 with 13 long NBA seasons on him that advantage is dwindling

I just don't agree with you questioning his heart or leadership or intelligence.

Because if Lebron never overachieved?

Then what u got to say about Melo, CP3, KD, Westbrook, Dwight, D. Rose, J. Wall then?

Isn't what they doing worse?

Cause each of those teams have been able to win in some capacity without or in some cases DESPITE them.

I need you to give me your psychological breakdown of them ringless, play oFF failing dudes FIRST before we go in on Lebron.

An entire career of consistent damn near injuryless basketball...

And we actually complaining?

Again u want to go down the list of disappointments the league has drafted and paid millions since Bron been in the L?

Cause outside the Lakers and Spurs and Golden State who wouldn't want Bron supposed never overachieving rings & stats?

The fact that he been THIS GOOD under the spotlight both on and off the court needs to celebrated.
 
I just don't agree with you questioning his heart or leadership or intelligence.

Because if Lebron never overachieved?

Then what u got to say about Melo, CP3, KD, Westbrook, Dwight, D. Rose, J. Wall then?

Isn't what they doing worse?

Cause each of those teams have been able to win in some capacity without or in some cases DESPITE them.

I need you to give me your psychological breakdown of them ringless, play oFF failing dudes FIRST before we go in on Lebron.

An entire career of consistent damn near injuryless basketball...

And we actually complaining?

Again u want to go down the list of disappointments the league has drafted and paid millions since Bron been in the L?

Cause outside the Lakers and Spurs and Golden State who wouldn't want Bron supposed never overachieving rings & stats?

The fact that he been THIS GOOD under the spotlight both on and off the court needs to celebrated.

It's an argument that implies that every NBA player outside of maybe 7 guys were underachievers, but that's the standard that Lebron is held to.

I rarely even dispute that standard, at this point.
 
GS can win games with their shooting. They can get out-rebounded, have twice as many turnovers and half as many freet throw attempts and still win, because they redeem themselves by making 3s when the other team is only making 2s. It's happened several times in these playoffs already. That's all I'm saying.
been trying to tell folks that... remove the 3 point discrepancy and it looks like Tha cavs won..lol
Matchup
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FG Made-Attempted 33-81 38-81
Field Goal % 40.7 46.9
3PT Made-Attempted 17-36 6-25
Three Point % 47.2 24.0
FT Made-Attempted 25-31 15-26
Free Throw % 80.6 57.7
Total Rebounds 54 54
Offensive Rebounds 14 16
Defensive Rebounds 29 24
Team Rebounds 11 14
Assists 23 15
Steals 7 5
Blocks 6 6
Total Turnovers 9 11
Points Off Turnovers 9 18
Fast Break Points 9 6
Points in Paint 20 48
Personal Fouls 22 24
Technical Fouls 2 0
Flagrant Fouls 0 0
 
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