Has Steph Curry supplanted LeBron as the 'Best Player in the World?' (CP Alert)
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Do you think Lebron is still the best player in the NBA? I started off the season with Lebron as still #1. I'm not even saying I've changed that position, but Curry is making me question if there needs to be a re-ranking.
Where do you rank Curry?
I'm not trolling man. I'm really trying to wrap my mind around this little shaddy-sized muthafucka dominating the game from long range.... and he's definitely dominating the game right now.
So I'm wondering at what point does he become the best player in the league to people.. or do people think he's purely the best shooter or best scorer in the league?
I'm on record (this season too) with getting at dude about his defense and other things... but I'm starting to wonder if it even matters.. it doesnt matter on this warriors team for sure because he doesn't need to carry any real defensive load.
How they gonna stop those 3's man.
Cavs are peaking at the right time. If they play their best ball, they can beat GS.
You just have to pray them niggas miss.
So to go back to my original question. If he does this for 4-5 more seasons, would that be enough for you?
That's what I was asking in the first place.. would 5 more seasons of playing like THIS put him in the conversation to you.
I think its apples and oranges that can be highlighted in these points.. When they played last year in the finals, LeBron looked like the best player on the court 90% of the time and that was playing on a broken down team, next when Curry was out the Warriors looked and played exactly the way they did when he was in even when he is on the bench there is very little or any drop off..
Now if James were to go down the way Curry did there is no way they win more than one game vs a team like the Pistons...
Now if James were to go down the way Curry did there is no way they win more than one game vs a team like the Pistons...
This is where I am with this
I'm just going to stay in the moment and enjoy the hell out of what I am seeing.
All jokes aside, have you not been in the sports threads the last 5 months? Thats been my entire point. Lebron is ABSOLUTELY the best player in the game. Put him on any team and they are a contender (save the sixers). There isnt a player in the league we can say that about. I stated before SC got hurt last month that his team would win playoff games and series without him. Cavs cant win a game of connect four with all black checkers without Bron.
Lebron James is the only current player in the NBA who should be involved in GOAT conversations. Forcing a 27 year old albino with ONE SEASON of elite play under his belt is blasphemous.
The fact Lebron James finished third in MVP voting is an abomination imo. A flat out joke.
Curry is top 5. I can make argument for anywhere from 2-4.
Exactly
I actually haven't been in the sports threads as much.
Ok. I'm with it. I'm straight up asking people.
Earlier this season, I was going in on Curry over all the props.... I've been saying he was the greatest shooter of all time for a while but leaving it at that.. but this dude is embarrassing people out there now.
So for year, even this season is not THAT big of a deal (just one in a list of really great seasons by individual players)? Got it. Just trying to see where people are ranking it.
And the other thing, we dont even know what we're looking at yet. It could very well be a statistical outlier OR it could be the beginning of a steady prime. As a team, these guys are just ahead of the curve man.. They look like the *evolution of the game.. and if thats the case we have to fit Currys achievement within that framework.. In support of this perspective is how the continue seamlessly when he isnt in... We just need time to fully contextualize what we are watching. As of today tho, its ONE SEASON.
* the other side of them being the evolution is it also possibly being a basketball version of wildcat (on steroids).. where the league adjusts/catches up in a year or two. Mike D'antoni 2.0
kukoc wasn't on the first 3 championship teams..pippen got him the yr after jordan left..so technically it wasn't the same exact team jordan won his first 3 rings with..people keep bringing up rodman like he was there for 6 rings..no he was there for the 2nd 3 peat..the first had jordan and a sf who only average 20 or more points in 1 of the first 3 championship yrs and a bunch of other players that couldn't even average 15 points a game...yepppp so 2 out of 3 chips there was only 1 person who scored more than 20 points which was jordan himself and 1 out of 3 where pippen was actually able to drop 20..all 3 of those first rings had no playerrrrrr who could score 15 or more as an 3rd option..yep the 3rd highest scorer was horace grant who couldn't average 15 a game..that was jordan squad folks
Yep. Agreed. That's what I'm asking the question. We won't know until we see how it plays out, but I'm asking trying to figure out how we qualify what he's done this season. His offensive production is crazy but it's not just that to me.. I've just seen too many games where he's dominated late to win the game.
Hard to imagine he's shooting will decline so I'm willing to bank this is the new normal for him though... close to 400 (3s) made per year during his prime considering the warriors can keep the core of this team together
Curry is the best shooter i've ever fuckin seen. Lebron is an all around better player.....im sure he could average a triple double every season if he wanted to.
Dude is on the verge of going to his 7th straight NBA Final.....of course he didnt win em all.....but that is a feat in itself.
Dude is on the verge of going to his 7th straight NBA Final.....of course he didnt win em all.....but that is a feat in itself.
I love the strategy aspect of the game and because of this I love trying to think of ways to coach against the Warriors, only because I think they are easily the most unique and hardest team to ever coach against even tougher to beat than the Jordan Bulls..How they gonna stop those 3's man.
They are like a NFL team who goes for it every 4th down and beats you with high risk/ rewards and execution.... The problem is by playing by conventional ways you will lose to them with simple math mathematics because they shoot the three as high as most teams shoot the 2 and even if your a good shooting team 3pts fg > 2p fg...
How many times you see a team leading them by 9 and 4 threes later the Warriors are either up or tied the game...
To make matters worse if you try to trap them they always find the open man for two..
But thats it you don't try to stop the three you bait them into taking more two's (knowing they may shoot then at the same %) and you go on the other side and shoot more 3's..
It dawn on me after watching the Cavs shoot so many 3's that this is exactly what the Cavs are preparing to master...
If because by putting 4 three point shooters on the floor with LeBron it forces teams to either leave one of them wide open or expose the paint wide open with no shot blockers to defend... This is how Cleveland was able to smash the 3 pt record...
So in essence the Cavs are going to do exactly what I always preached against, that is trap Curry hard, every time he touches the ball, beyond the three, I know he would turn to his inside game more and drive more to the basket, but that's ok the plan is to drop their 3pts attempts and % a bit... Also I would match Thompson with James at times, knowing that he has problems shooting over bigger and more athletic players...
Now the plan should be set, where the objective isn't to try to stop the Warriors, but rather have the Cavs shoot more three points and easier points in the paint, by baiting them to have everyone else not named Curry take a shot instead..
Curry will still get his, especially in the paint, but as long as they can off set those points with easy drives in the paint, on their side or a three, it should be ok..
In short the Cavs may open things up even more than they did vs the Hawks, to the point where if they want to win they may have to average 23 three points per game...
The bottom line the Cavs would have to do what was once considered suicide, attempt to beat the Warriors at their own game, by making and taking more 3's while still being able to attack the rim..
Now if you think R.R. done lost it just study why how and why the Cavs all of a sudden been so prolific from beyond the arch, and also study what made Portland so difficult in the match up vs the Warriors...
Not saying all of that shit will actually work, the interesting part is seeing if this is where we are headed and seeing if the Cavs have the balls to even attempt this radical approach....
he was an mvp..than he got injured.. samething that could happen to curry at anytime...drose was consider to be 1 of the best guards until that injury now he's not samething that could happen to curry
D. Rose has never made it to the finals
D. Rose has never lead the league in steals or ppg
d rose got injured the next fucking yr... drose could've did all dat but this thing called injury fucked up all that... oh yeah drose got a rookie of the yr award steph didn't get 1.. wait so does that mean off gate drose was already doin his thing instead of having 1 great yr and mad people jumping on his wagon cause of 1 yr.. dude said leading the league in scoring like steph did that last yr or the yr b4 or any yr that he has been in the league other than this yr
The greatest Curry is playing, I think we need to slow down on that greatest of all-time conversation. Dude is only in his second year of this level of play, you don't get greatest of all time status or even get included in the discussion after only two years. One thing I would truly love someone to explain to me though, is how the hell are the Warriors a great team? I keep hearing that crap as a means to so to discredit with Carrie is doing. He has Draymond Green, Klay Thompson, and a cast of characters who are either Journeymen or average role players. If you look at Man to a man San Antonio, Oklahoma City, the Clippers, all of them have a better Supporting Cast around them then Curry does and Golden State. They run a great system they have great team chemistry but there's nothing about that team that makes it a great team except for they play together as a team personnel-wise they aren't even the best team in the league. There is no way this kid should be discredited because of the system they run and the fact that the players have bought into it. If that's the case LeBron MVPs and championships in Miami should be discredited since he played with two Hall of Famers, Tim Duncan's should be discredited because he played with multiple Hall of Famers, OKC's Finals should be discredited because KD and Westbrook are future Hall of Famers. That argument and so simplistically stupid it's annoying.
D. Rose had about 2 solid years one before he got MVP...
He hasn't been the same player since...I know about the injuries
But even after he came back his impact on the game wasn't the same.
Steph didn't play for fucking 3 weeks...Comes back, sets an NBA record for most made shots in OT & leads his team to the W
Tell me when D. Rose has taken over a game after injury and the Bulls won
Curry had brittle ankles and overcame that.
You can't put D.Rose in Curry's league anymore
He's elevated his play every year since he was drafted.. Once GS got Monte Ellis out of there it was a wrap
if curry gets injured and does nothing after he will be drose.. do you get the concept of you can't call steph the goat or go crazy about putting him hall of fame status yet cause you never kno what will become of him after this yr.. drose was a sure fire hall of famer b4 his injury...rookie of the yr, mvp..than he got injured no more hall of fame talks..samething could happen to curry.. that's why i told op to slow his role and at least wait another 8 yrs
He's elevated his play, but not to the levels of the last 2 years. Can't find one article, thread, conversation about greatest of all-time anything until after last season. That's my whole point. A lot of players and prove themselves year to year but 99.9% of the players never get mentioned in the greatest of all-time discussion. He still has to produce on this high level for longer than 2 years to be in that equation. As far as surpassing LeBron, Curry is the face of the NBA right now, nobody is playing at a higher level, at this point I would say he's the best player in the league. However LeBron has been doing it too long to have been surpassed in terms of career evaluation.
And to your point, that was probably one of the most genius general manager moves and history. Ellis has been a bum every since he left Golden State!
Nigga are you serious?
He's surpassed D.Rose from now on & forever
D. Rose won't ever be MVP again
Step is 2X MVP winner along with NBA Champion
You keep speaking in hypotheticals...."IF..." "WHEN" SHOULD'VE"
D. Rose was a sure hall of famer before his INJURY?
Bruh....mail me some of that shit you're smoking...It's gotta be that loud pack
The op said IF he continues like this.
Stop with drose man
Currys game is on a different level.
Curry is already arguably the greatest shooter.
dude, if Curry gets hurt right now and doesn't play another minute he's already had a 10 times better career than Derrick Rose's has had! No comparison whatsoever
He's barely the best point guard on his team right now
D. Rose was 22 years old and year ahead of SC at that age.
D.Rose ran into hall of fame loaded team with prime Wade, Bosh, Bron.
D.Rose never played with the best shooting 2guard of all time and a top 15 player.
D.Rose best player that he dragged to a conference finals was Loul fucking Deng.
Again, SC has had ONE SEASON of all time elite level play. This conversation needs to be tabled until he builds on it.
D-rose at his Peak wasn't close to the player that Curry is now! Different ball games, but nowhere near the impact that this kid has. I respectfully have to call BS on your entire post sir!
Yup
And after his money comments at the start of the season he most likely is gone.
Jimmy Buckets runs the Bulls
Pooh is just #2
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