I think in a season or 2 we'll see if he had any help... the stroke might have been secondary to something else
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Keep in mind though Jimmy was still a child when he stole that money. If he had worked at somebody else's store and got caught stealing it he would have simply been fired or done a few weeks at JCC at worst, which would have been fair. The fact that Chuck still judges him over it 17 years after the fact is extremely petty.
no its not. not if he believes it help contribute to the crushing of his father's dream and his ultimate death.
man i don't know what kind of relationship yall have with your parents where stealing some cash here or there is fine and if you stealing the cash helped them lose their dream and then killed them your sibling should just let it go or they're being petty
My dad runs a business and has had many employees, including family members, steal from him in all kinds of ways. Once caught they are always fired and there's some bad blood for a while, but it never lasts forever. In fact some of these family members have been rehired years later and did right with their second chances. Despite this he is still in business and doing quite well.
Even if Jimmy had stolen all of the money that went missing from his father's store at some point it stops being Jimmy's fault and starts becoming the fathers for allowing it to happen. It's not unlike a guy who gets fucked over for marrying Superhead
See the major difference?
Your dad is alive.
Chuck and Jimmy's dad is dead.
There is no time for them to put it under the bridge. he's gone.
The major difference is that my dad went bankrupt twice and still made a go of things the third time around. Jimmy's dad decided it was easier to sulk and off himself than try again.
This was the best episode yet!
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Dear Sandy,
Everyone makes mistakes. But the tricky thing about little blunders is that they can have big blowbacks (like jail). No time like the present to save a client from mugshots and mess halls. So let’s get down to it, shall we? If you’re not giving me the whole truth and nothing but the truth, I can’t save you from the mess you’re about to be in.
To illustrate, let’s say there’s a young lady named Candy who catches her gal-pal, Brandy, doing the “midnight mambo” with Candy’s crush, Andy. Andy chooses Brandy, then Candy corners Brandy, ranting and raving until Candy’s slapped with disturbing the peace!
It seems Candy’s recently-crafted revenge daydream about Brandy is squashed. But — miracle of miracles! — later that night, a disguised stalker settles into a stakeout near Brandy’s house, equipped with patience, a ski mask, and a pair of binoculars. When the coast is clear, the avenger sneaks inside with a sledgehammer to decimate Brandy’s beloved nesting doll collection!
If the crime is in the cover-up, the perp’s done a sub-par job. Those cops are gonna follow the trail of broken dollface straight to the crook — and once inevitably found, he or she faces vandalism, breaking and entering, et al. A “happily ever after” isn’t in the cards unless the perp levels with his/her lawyer about the ever-illusive topic of what actually happened.
Ring a bell, Sandy? With all due respect, you’re muddying the waters of your own freedom here. Take a moment, breathe. Have a piña colada or lie down with a cold washcloth on your head. Realize that facts are facts, and your lawyer needs them firsthand to help turn your alibi from drab to fab!
Give me a call, we’ll figure it out.
Yours in gravitas,
Saul Goodman
Dear Sandy,
Everyone makes mistakes. But the tricky thing about little blunders is that they can have big blowbacks (like jail). No time like the present to save a client from mugshots and mess halls. So let’s get down to it, shall we? If you’re not giving me the whole truth and nothing but the truth, I can’t save you from the mess you’re about to be in.
To illustrate, let’s say there’s a young lady named Candy who catches her gal-pal, Brandy, doing the “midnight mambo” with Candy’s crush, Andy. Andy chooses Brandy, then Candy corners Brandy, ranting and raving until Candy’s slapped with disturbing the peace!
It seems Candy’s recently-crafted revenge daydream about Brandy is squashed. But — miracle of miracles! — later that night, a disguised stalker settles into a stakeout near Brandy’s house, equipped with patience, a ski mask, and a pair of binoculars. When the coast is clear, the avenger sneaks inside with a sledgehammer to decimate Brandy’s beloved nesting doll collection!
If the crime is in the cover-up, the perp’s done a sub-par job. Those cops are gonna follow the trail of broken dollface straight to the crook — and once inevitably found, he or she faces vandalism, breaking and entering, et al. A “happily ever after” isn’t in the cards unless the perp levels with his/her lawyer about the ever-illusive topic of what actually happened.
Ring a bell, Sandy? With all due respect, you’re muddying the waters of your own freedom here. Take a moment, breathe. Have a piña colada or lie down with a cold washcloth on your head. Realize that facts are facts, and your lawyer needs them firsthand to help turn your alibi from drab to fab!
Give me a call, we’ll figure it out.
Yours in gravitas,
Saul Goodman
Great episode. The show runners continue to remind of us of some of the thematic elements from Breaking Bad.
A) The Law of Unintended Consequences
Chuck said it best, Slippin Jimmy was bad, Slipping Jimmy with a Law degree is like a chimpanzee with a machine gun. (if anyone saw Rise of the Planet of the Apes, y'all know where this reference comes from). Jimmy cannot help himself, if he see's an angle he gonna take it regardless of what might happen. From the first season, him trying to run a scam with the skateboard kids leads to him in the desert with a gun pointed at his head. To shooting those damn commercials which just lead to more trouble. To finally, scamming on Chuck which now leads to his serious injury. He just can't stop. Even when he does shit to make things right, its hard to root for him because he leaves so much collateral damage in his wake.
For some reasons, Chuck seems to want to keep him at arms length, intead of cutting him off completely. I don't know if he really fears that Jimmy will just embarrass him if he doesn't keep an eye on him (which he did anyway) or if he just feels compelled to watch out for him due to their familial ties. They just have a weird co-dependent relationship.
Unintended consequence for Mike as well by leaving the driver alive, but that a nice segue to theme #2....
B) No half measures
We now see how Mike learned the lesson he eventually taught Walter White. He keeps trying to work these zero sum solutions where everyone wins a little and no one really loses, but he's dealing with gangstas who don't win unless everyone around them loses.
The other scary thing here is how effective a criminal an experienced cop could be if they want to break bad. And that's ties it back to Jimmy. A really good lawyer ( who's willing to cut corners) can shut down any attempts at actual justice given time and money.
A) The Law of Unintended Consequences
Chuck said it best, Slippin Jimmy was bad, Slipping Jimmy with a Law degree is like a chimpanzee with a machine gun. (if anyone saw Rise of the Planet of the Apes, y'all know where this reference comes from). Jimmy cannot help himself, if he see's an angle he gonna take it regardless of what might happen. From the first season, him trying to run a scam with the skateboard kids leads to him in the desert with a gun pointed at his head. To shooting those damn commercials which just lead to more trouble. To finally, scamming on Chuck which now leads to his serious injury. He just can't stop. Even when he does shit to make things right, its hard to root for him because he leaves so much collateral damage in his wake.
For some reasons, Chuck seems to want to keep him at arms length, intead of cutting him off completely. I don't know if he really fears that Jimmy will just embarrass him if he doesn't keep an eye on him (which he did anyway) or if he just feels compelled to watch out for him due to their familial ties. They just have a weird co-dependent relationship.
Unintended consequence for Mike as well by leaving the driver alive, but that a nice segue to theme #2....
B) No half measures
We now see how Mike learned the lesson he eventually taught Walter White. He keeps trying to work these zero sum solutions where everyone wins a little and no one really loses, but he's dealing with gangstas who don't win unless everyone around them loses.
The other scary thing here is how effective a criminal an experienced cop could be if they want to break bad. And that's ties it back to Jimmy. A really good lawyer ( who's willing to cut corners) can shut down any attempts at actual justice given time and money.
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peace
Fuck "Lenny"!
She knew that motherfucka muscled her out that deal with the bowshit rhetoric which is why she used that subtle wisdom to make AlleywayOfficeSlippinJimmy to clean up any mess he may have made.
Good!
Fuck "Lenny"!
She knew that motherfucka muscled her out that deal with the bowshit rhetoric which is why she used that subtle wisdom to make AlleywayOfficeSlippinJimmy to clean up any mess he may have made.
twisting Mike quote on good people / criminals:
there are smart cops and dumb criminals - as often as you meet dumb cops and smart criminals
I wonder how many people on here catch that joke.
On the real, Kim made her choice now. Since she isn't part of breaking bad, I have to assume either something bad happens to her or Jimmy does her dirty some way that she finally says fuck it and moves back to where ever she was from to become a asst Crew leader at Piggly Wiggly
peace
Yeah, she may fuck around & play a mark here or there with duke holdthat same disdain she has for ole "Lenny" but it doesn't drive her enough for it to be her passion. She's made it more than clear to the Ole Slipster so it's only a matter of time b4 he fucks that up.
Actually, he's the one who goes through changes & moves around so we'll see what Slipmaster does that inevitably sets him on his 'chosen' path once again that started this season.
Yeah, pardon self, some youngins may not remember Laverne&Shirley
She's establishing herself as a good lawyer as well as a straight shooter as far as her profession is concerned.
Yeah, she may fuck around & play a mark here or there with duke holdthat same disdain she has for ole "Lenny" but it doesn't drive her enough for it to be her passion. She's made it more than clear to the Ole Slipster so it's only a matter of time b4 he fucks that up.
Actually, he's the one who goes through changes & moves around so we'll see what Slipmaster does that inevitably sets him on his 'chosen' path once again that started this season.
Yeah, pardon self, some youngins may not remember Laverne&Shirley
Chuck was absolutely right about Jimmy lol. He laid it out exactly how it was.
It ain't Chuck fault that Jimmy is a piece of shit.
Good luck with that Kim.
And she KNOWS HE DID IT
now you can't get on that high horse kim. that's over with.
there's a lot to get into but im not even gonna go there about how cool it is to see drug dealers and scam artists ill just leave that alone.
SAT THERE AND WATCHED HIS BROTHER GET FUCKED UP!!!!
This is who yall riding for?
It ain't Chuck fault that Jimmy is a piece of shit.
Good luck with that Kim.
And she KNOWS HE DID IT
now you can't get on that high horse kim. that's over with.
there's a lot to get into but im not even gonna go there about how cool it is to see drug dealers and scam artists ill just leave that alone.
SAT THERE AND WATCHED HIS BROTHER GET FUCKED UP!!!!
This is who yall riding for?
So we gonna ignore the fact that all the shit that Chuck said was true too? Exactly how he said it? lmao
Yup Kim is in it now. That high horse is a pony and that soap box is gone completely now. peace out to the good girl routine there is a line you cannot blur it you are on the other side now and im perfectly cool with that.
I'm not even mad at Jimmy. I'm more mad at the people refusing to accept who the fuck he is.
A scumbag
Just like his brother.
i am not riding with jimmy per se. but chuck losing mesa verde was karma. jimmy is a scum bag. and so is chuck.
i wrote my post above before reading this. yes both brothers are scum bags.
kim is a grinder. i never thought she felt like she was on a high horse.
which is the point.
they both ain't shit but Jimmy has been the sympathetic figure and he doesn't deserve to be.
And it wasn't even Karma lol it was orchestrated by Jimmy himself. It wasn't done out of the cosmos' Karma would've been if he did actually make the mistake and fucked it all up by himself. That would be karma for holding jimmy up to a standard he couldn't meet himself. but that's not what happened.
at every turn we always say the writers are so smart there's always more to the story. whenever someone presents a point we say well they don't just reveal and there's more to the story. but that only applies if its for jimmy. we never look at it the same from chuck's point of view.
he's spent a lifetime with Jimmy as his brother. How much shit has he seen? We're introduced to Chuck with Jimmy calling him from Jail and having him bail his ass out AGAIN.
we got dudes on here talking bout they don't fuck with family over some bullshit
but can't see how Chuck is disappointed, mad and frustrated all in one at Jimmy and rightfully so.
They BOTH ain't shit so let's stop trying to pretend 1 is better than the other.
That's not true fam. Her whole problem with jimmy was him cutting corners. even the condition of this partnership is they have separate firms and he can do it his way and she can do it her way, which presumably means not his way.
Now, that's out of the window. she's just like him whether she wants to admit it or not. He brought her down to his level just like Chuck said he would.
Chuck fucks over Kim to get at Jimmy.
Jimmy fucks over Chuck to help Kim. There is a reason Jimmy is more sympathetic.
Chuck is like the girlfriend who catches her boyfriend cheating. She 'forgives' him and takes him back but holds it over his head indefinitely and is passive aggressive. If Chuck felt Jimmy was a lost cause why not say as much and cut him off. Instead he plays both sides of the fence and plays the martyr.
Jimmy hit rock bottom asked his brother for help and promised to clean up his act. And that's exactly what he did. Kept the job in the mailroom got a degree but at every turn chuck undermined and used him.
Jimmy is a scumbag. A scumbag who knows he is a scumbag and has a heart. Jimmy, not Saul Goodman yet, tries to help ppl and work around the system.
Chuck is a scumbag too but imo the worst kind. He doesn't think he is a scumbag and believes everyone is beneath him. And i am glad Kim called him on it. Jimmy wanted to cleanup his life and make his big bro proud. His big brother's response you couldn't possibly be like me.
Compare the way Chuck treats Ernesto to the way Jimmy treated his assistant.
Jimmy fucks over Chuck to help Kim. There is a reason Jimmy is more sympathetic.
Chuck is like the girlfriend who catches her boyfriend cheating. She 'forgives' him and takes him back but holds it over his head indefinitely and is passive aggressive. If Chuck felt Jimmy was a lost cause why not say as much and cut him off. Instead he plays both sides of the fence and plays the martyr.
Jimmy hit rock bottom asked his brother for help and promised to clean up his act. And that's exactly what he did. Kept the job in the mailroom got a degree but at every turn chuck undermined and used him.
Jimmy is a scumbag. A scumbag who knows he is a scumbag and has a heart. Jimmy, not Saul Goodman yet, tries to help ppl and work around the system.
Chuck is a scumbag too but imo the worst kind. He doesn't think he is a scumbag and believes everyone is beneath him. And i am glad Kim called him on it. Jimmy wanted to cleanup his life and make his big bro proud. His big brother's response you couldn't possibly be like me.
Compare the way Chuck treats Ernesto to the way Jimmy treated his assistant.
Gonna have to disagree with your first point. Chuck has not tried to fuck over Kim in any way. She's just been collateral damage from Jimmy vs Chuck. When Kim got sent to corn fields it was because she highly recommended Jimmy to the other law firm which made HHM look bad when it all fell apart.
Chuck could have really fucked Kim over when he talked to Mesa Verde instead he was like "Kim's a good attorney , but I live and breath this bank regulation shit, so do what you want, but I'd trust an experienced hand" Nothing false or unethical about that. He fought for his client and won, fair and square. Had it been Jimmy in that same role, he would have probably faked some mercury spill in the building so Kim wouldn't be able to meet with Mesa Verde lol
He explained to Kim his reasons for not trusting Jimmy, but she still chose Team Jimmy even going against her own principles.
Chuck is definitely a dick but given the family history I can understand his frustration. He doesn't really trust Jimmy at any level, but can't accept Jimmy as a lawyer at all. Because that puts Jimmy in the same stratosphere as Chuck. The flash back with his wife showed a lot. Chuck has escaped his humble background to become a prominent attorney, attending the Opera, married well, etc. Jimmy snuck in the back door almost literally. Does anyone wonder why Jimmy takes a correspondence Law degree instead of going the "legit" route Kim did?
In the real world, I think Chuck bails Jimmy out of jail and cuts him off altogther. This whole scenario of come work with me in the mail room of my law firm makes for good TV plot line, but I can't see that happening. So as I mentioned before there is this weird co-dependency they've created between the characters for the sake of the show.
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only disagreement i think is the verbiage. I think collateral damage is putting it too lightly. Chuck went at Kim to get to Jimmy vs Jimmy running the ad without permission and Kim being impacted negatively by the unforseen fall out.
Chuck definately came after Kim by pursuing Verda Messa to get at Jimmy. Chuck almost never see clients, he almost never goes into the office and if he does he never goes without his spacesuit (the one jimmy designed). But he disregarded all that to keep Messa Verda as client. What was special about that client other the fact that by taking it from Kim he was hurt Jimmy
thats some petty shit and what Jimmy did to get him back was even pettier but Chuck acted like it was all business and nothing personal
Chuck didn't "steal" Mesa Verde to get back at Jimmy. He fought for it because it's a six figure case. Kim may have made the connection, but without HHM's clout behind her that work would have gone somewhere else. He was well within his rights to fight for that business.
I agree. There is no way I'd give mail room access to someone who I knew made fake IDs. The only way that works is if Chuck wanted to make Jimmy the fall guy for a scam he was already running.
I agree. There is no way I'd give mail room access to someone who I knew made fake IDs. The only way that works is if Chuck wanted to make Jimmy the fall guy for a scam he was already running.
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