More proof Bernie supporters are annoying as hell. Create superdelegate hit list.

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To Bernie Sanders supporters, the idea that Democratic superdelegates — elected officials and other party elites who can vote however they wish at the convention — could tip the nomination to Hillary Clinton seems terribly undemocratic.

And so, they're trying to convince superdelegates, officially known as unpledged party leaders and elected officials, to change their allegiance.

There are several several online petitions. One calls for the elimination of superdelegates all together. Another asks superdelegates to align their choice with regular voters not party elites, and it has more than 200,000 signatures.

At the moment, more than halfway through the primary process, this would favor Clinton, who leads the popular vote by more than two million votes and has a more than 200-pledged-delegate lead (that is, delegates who align with the results of state primaries and caucuses).

But Sanders supporters point to the senator's string of recent wins and figure by the time the last vote is counted in California, he will have the popular lead. And then, under this scenario, it will be up to superdelegates, who make up roughly 15 percent of total convention delegates, to decide who gets the nomination.

"No one is going to arrive in Philadelphia with enough delegates to win the nomination," said Jeff Weaver, Sanders' campaign manager. "And the superdelegates don't vote until you actually get into the convention process. So there's been a lot of talk about how the Republicans are going into an open convention. Well, the truth of the matter is, it looks like the Democrats are going into an open convention as well."

It's true that no one will likely have the 2,383 delegates needed for the nomination strictly out of the pledged delegates. But that's also because that number is a majority of all the voting delegates, which includes — superdelegates.

The Sanders campaign still has its focus on winning as many pledged delegates as possible in the states still yet to vote, like New York, Pennsylvania and California and the campaign is trying to direct supporters looking to help to volunteering or organizing in those states. In fact the campaign's website lists hundreds of organizing events, many posted by volunteers, but the campaign has moved to remove any events related to reaching out to superdelegates.

But this hasn't stopped Sanders enthusiastic supporters from taking matters into their own hands. This week, a Sanders fan named Spencer Thayer created the "Superdelegate Hit List," a website to compile and share the contact information of superdelegates, so they can be persuaded. It is not affiliated with the Sanders campaign, but a campaign spokesman didn't respond to multiple requests for comment.

Thayer, who answered questions over email, later changed the name simply to "Superdelegate List."

"The intent of the branding was to parody the famous Clinton Hit List, this was a tongue–in–cheek attempt at parody which I thought would encourage resharing," Thayer said. "The branding began to detract from the campaign's purpose, so it wasn't a hard decision to make the change once it was clear it wasn't working."

Thayer's goal with the site was to make it easier for voters to get in touch with superdelegates.

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Master list of super delegates from superdelegatelist.com

Super Delegate Hit List/Screen shot by NPR
"The superdelegate system is rigged to protect establishment politicians and shut down populism," Thayer said. "Superdelegates, by their very nature, diminish the value of the vote by giving an elite constituency of representatives, party leaders, and even lobbyists extra power. The Superdelegate List exists to help voters challenge this undemocratic system. Contacting our elected representatives and party leaders and holding them to account is an American tradition. This is the only way to keep the voter base from being patronized or ignored."

Superdelegates have been hearing from Sanders supporters for months — and it's not always pleasant. Akilah Ross Ensley is with the Young Democrats of America, and she's a superdelegate, who plans to support Clinton. She has to check her professional Facebook page several times a day to deal with all the messages and posts.

"You should be ashamed of yourself," Ensley reads from a recent Facebook message she received. "Maybe you will do some soul searching and have some integrity and think about the decisions you're making and its implications."

Ensley said she's been called names, and there have been expletives.

"They said, you know, you should go to hell," said Ensley, describing another message. "How dare you vote against your own interests as an African-American woman. I expected you would be smarter than that."

When Clinton-backing super delegate Joyce Elliott heard she was on, what at the time was called the Superdelegate Hit List, she was taken aback.

"That is, that is very interesting," Elliott said after laughing uncomfortably. "As far as I know, this is probably only the second time I've been on a hit list, and the other one was not pleasant."

Elliott is a state senator in Arkansas and the last time she was on a hit list, it was over legislation she had introduced. That time, she said, the FBI got involved. This list isn't as scary. Although, she has heard from 20 or 30 Sanders supporters, trying to get her to switch.

"Some of them will tell me, you know, how awful Hillary is, therefore, I should support Bernie, and then tell me how great Bernie is," said Elliott, who has known the Clintons since the 1970s. "And that's the kind of thing I think that is not helpful."

For Ken Martin, the chairman of the Minnesota Democratic Party, the flow of messages is constant, 20 a day, he said. His state went for Sanders in its caucuses, and the pressure to switch from Clinton to Sanders is intense.

"Someone received my cell phone number, and they posted that, and so I'm getting calls on my personal cell phone from people all over the country," Martin said.

When Thayer, the the creator of the superdelegate list, was told people were feeling harassed and unpersuaded, here's what he said:

"It's likely that most callers are actually polite. If a few people contacting superdelegates are being obscene they'll of course drown out reasonable voices and harden opinions. However, it's useful to look at what's causing some of the anger and outrage we're seeing.

"Voters know they are being disenfranchised by superdelegate influence and these privileged voters are a reasonable target for frustration. And, let's be honest, if superdelegates aren't prepared to deal with the public, they shouldn't be party officials."

But all this freelance lobbying may be unnecessary. It has been the tradition of superdelegates, even in contentious primaries, to ultimately vote at the convention for the candidate with the most popular votes and pledged delegates.

Tad Devine, a senior adviser to Sanders' campaign, was actually involved in the creation of superdelegates, as a way to get party officials more involved in selecting the Democratic nominee.

"That was always done with the understanding that the voters would determine the outcome of this process, and I think they'll do it this time," Devine said back in February when the superdelegate controversy was flaring up after the New Hampshire primary.
 
What's the issue? They're trying to convince people with influence that Sanders should be nominated. Hopefully they don't overboard with it.
 
nice......:bravo:

get in that ass and stay there....thanks for the heads up about the list tex....I've got work to do now..:hellyea:
 
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You guys don't want support of centrist, establishment Dems, I know this because otherwise you would be completely full of shit :lol:

A lot of those Dems took money from Corporations. So I KNOW you don't want their help.
 
You guys don't want support of centrist, establishment Dems, I know this because otherwise you would be completely full of shit :lol:

A lot of those Dems took money from Corporations. So I KNOW you don't want their help.

First of all Citizens United is only a couple election long and allows the straight purchase of policy.

Second those that sell their allegiance to the big money interest aren't helping anyway so it doesn't matter if we want the help or not..WE WON"T GET IT

Centrist means bad shit for people of color and we have seen that.

Centrist is why no bankers got charged

Centrist is why we get weak legislation that does nothing but lip service

Debbie Wasserman Shultz who leads the establishment democrats is fighting to weaken legislation in favor of the legal loan sharks that hurts blacks browns and poor. That's the democrats you favor.

So you are right I don't support centrist because the GOP has made the center move farther right

So those centrist you talk about are the best republicans that democrats could vote for
 
just like i've been telling sanders supporters here...

he's not going to win the nomination so no need to get all excited. :dunno:

we need to now focus on Hilary beating these republiKKKans in November!
 
I read something similar yesterday on fivethirtyeight.com

Bernie Sanders Is Even Less Competitive Than He Appears

Bernie Sanders’s supporters are fond of the hypothesis that Democratic superdelegates, the elected leaders and party officials who currently support Hillary Clinton by a lopsided-doesn’t-even-begin-to-describe-it 469 to 31, are going to bow to the “will of the people” if Sanders ends up winning more pledged delegates than Clinton by June.

There’s just one hiccup in this logic: Sanders fans seem to be conflating the pledged delegate count and the “will of the voters,” when in fact the two are far from interchangeable.

Sanders’s reliance on extremely low-turnout caucus states has meant the pledged delegate count overstates his share of votes. To date, Sanders has captured 46 percent of Democrats’ pledged delegates but just 42 percent of raw votes. So even if Sanders were to draw even in pledged delegates by June — which is extremely unlikely — Clinton could be able to persuade superdelegates to stick with her by pointing to her popular vote lead.

Sanders already has a nearly impossible task ahead of him in trying to erase Clinton’s pledged delegate lead. He’s down by 212 delegates, meaning he’d need to win 56 percent of those remaining to nose in front. He hasdominated caucus states such as Idaho and Washington, but only two caucus states — Wyoming and North Dakota — remain on the calendar. What’s more, the biggest states left — New York and California — favor Clinton demographically.

Including caucus results, Clinton leads Sanders by almost 2.4 million raw votes, 9.4 million to just more than 7 million, according to The Green Papers. So then, what would it take for Sanders to overtake Clinton in the popular vote by the end of the primaries in June?

To estimate how many votes remain to be counted, I first used data compiled by the handy U.S. Elections Project and The Green Papers to compare Democratic primary turnout in each state that’s voted so far to turnout rates in 2008. From 2008 to 2016, the average turnout in primary states as a share of the Voting Eligible Population has fallen from 20 percent to 14 percent. In caucus states, it’s fallen more modestly, from 4.4 percent to 3.7 percent.1

Then, I applied these average declines to the remaining 17 states and Washington, D.C.2 The result: There may be around 12.1 million votes left to be counted. That means Sanders would need to win about 60 percent of remaining voters and caucus attendees to overtake Clinton in popular votes — a very tall task for someone who’s only captured 42 percent up until now.

The much more likely scenario is that Clinton’s popular vote lead continues to expand until the race’s June 7 grand finale.

At the outset of the race, FiveThirtyEight laid out state-by-state targetsestimating how well Sanders and Clinton would need to do in each state to win half of the vote nationally. So far, Sanders has averaged about 8 percent ahead of his targets in caucus states (66 percent actual versus 58 percent predicted), but he’s averaged about 8 percent behind his targets in primary states (41 percent actual versus 49 percent predicted).

If we were to apply that pattern to the state-by-state targets over the rest of the calendar, Clinton’s popular vote lead would grow by 1.5 million votes to over 3.9 million by June.

But instead, let’s adjust these targets to estimate how many votes Sanders would need in each state to finish one pledged delegate ahead of Clinton. Even if he were to turn around his 212-delegate deficit and claim a 2,026-to-2,025 lead, he’d only close the popular vote gap by about 1.7 million votes, leaving Clinton with a 670,000-vote advantage. Here’s a rough estimate of how the remaining votes might break down in this generous-to-Sanders scenario:

DATE STATE CAUCUS ESTIMATED TURNOUT SANDERS VOTE TARGET CLINTON’S SHARE
4/9 Wyoming ✓ 7,966 6,736 1,230
4/19 New York 1,412,388 801,954 610,434
4/26 Connecticut 267,973 154,835 113,138
Delaware 78,351 40,962 37,389
Maryland 682,599 346,624 335,975
Pennsylvannia 1,762,837 1,000,939 761,898
Rhode Island 138,336 82,697 55,639
5/3 Indiana 967,991 568,985 399,006
5/10 West Virginia 264,415 169,966 94,449
5/17 Kentucky 523,479 299,849 223,630
Oregon 508,416 334,436 173,980
6/7 North Dakota ✓ 18,278 14,816 3,462
California 4,039,240 2,273,284 1,765,956
Montana 142,410 100,086 42,324
New Jersey 852,395 462,680 389,715
New Mexico 210,977 124,012 86,965
South Dakota 75,404 50,355 25,049
6/14 D.C. 104,874 49,060 55,814
Target totals 12,058,329 6,882,276 5,176,053
Already voted 16,734,424* 7,034,997 9,412,426
Total 28,792,753* 13,917,273 14,588,479
How many votes Bernie Sanders needs to catch up in delegates
*Includes votes for candidates other than Sanders and Clinton

In other words, Sanders may have had a great night in Wisconsin on Tuesday and will probably have an even more terrific day in Wyoming on Saturday. But in the long run, even if he were somehow to win more pledged delegates, he’d probably still wind up short in the popular vote.
 
First of all Citizens United is only a couple election long and allows the straight purchase of policy.

Second those that sell their allegiance to the big money interest aren't helping anyway so it doesn't matter if we want the help or not..WE WON"T GET IT

Centrist means bad shit for people of color and we have seen that.

Centrist is why no bankers got charged

Centrist is why we get weak legislation that does nothing but lip service

Debbie Wasserman Shultz who leads the establishment democrats is fighting to weaken legislation in favor of the legal loan sharks that hurts blacks browns and poor. That's the democrats you favor.

So you are right I don't support centrist because the GOP has made the center move farther right

So those centrist you talk about are the best republicans that democrats could vote for

So you don't want centrist superdelegates to vote for Sanders then.
 
You didn't read the article about how they are posting all kinds of shit on their social media accounts?

These people have spent the last 6 months calling every centrist Dem or every establishment Dem a sell out and worse than Republicans. Now that the Jew needs their help, now, they want to demand it.

Those delegates are not going to vote for an independent that just last week said he wouldn't help raise money to help Dems get elected.

They will tell Bernie the Independent to go fuck himself.
Why should he campaign for them, when they've taken a blood oath with the slippery serpent from Arkansas/Illinois/New York/California?
 
So you don't want centrist superdelegates to vote for Sanders then.

I don't believe they are centrists super delegates. I believe they are establishment super delegates who are either afraid of being on the wrong side of the machine or are in the pocket of of the money interests.

But to answer your question on who i think they should support...They should support the will of the people. If the people vote for Clinton then they should go with her and if the people vote for Sanders they should support him.

This throwing support to one or the other before the campaign even starts is an attempt to override the votes of the people and that is no different to me than voter suppression
 
Too bad she's a DemoKKKrat.

this almost sounds like the who is more racists the north or the south debate.

repuliKKKans are the south and they are blatant in your face racists

establishment democrats are the north and they speak nicely to you but are closet racist who do their dirt in the dark
 
The big difference is I say all politicians are flawed, but I'll vote for the Dem nominee. Bernie supporters think he is virtuous, and honest, only cares about the, and perfect. They have attacked anyone, and I do mean anyone that don't thing the same. From people that helped found the civil rights movement, to mothers of killed black men, to Elizabeth Warren. If you are not 100% behind Bernie, you are shunned as a sellout and attacked.

Just watch people, supposedly black people, on this board attack the mothers of slain black sons because they don't support their jew.

It's sad and sickening.
You full of shit
 
it's better than a republiKKKan. :dunno:

how has it been better in the last 20 years ?

demoKKKrats are closing schools and building prisons

they have ignored the plights in the poor black communities to keep them poor

they are controlling the policing in those communities that are killing people on GP

So in reality if you aren't gay or hispanic what have they really done that has been positive in the black communities ?

all the concern is for illegal immigrants but what about the disenfranchised that are already here ?

so specifically why are they better ? what SCOTUS decisions have been beneficial to black America ?
 
how has it been better in the last 20 years ?

demoKKKrats are closing schools and building prisons

they have ignored the plights in the poor black communities to keep them poor

they are controlling the policing in those communities that are killing people on GP

So in reality if you aren't gay or hispanic what have they really done that has been positive in the black communities ?

all the concern is for illegal immigrants but what about the disenfranchised that are already here ?

so specifically why are they better ? what SCOTUS decisions have been beneficial to black America ?


you're right.

let's just vote cruz or trump in.

the country will be much better with a republiKKKan in office. :rolleyes2:
 
Just watch people, supposedly black people, on this board attack the mothers of slain black sons because they don't support their jew.

It's sad and sickening.

I haven't seen anybody attack them but I have seen people question why they allow themselves to be flown all over and used as a prop. You don't see them when she isn't in the inner city.

I have seen people attack Hillary for the transparent bullshit of using them as props.

I also saw people attack Hillary for campaigning in Illinois and not mentioning Laquan and still standing with Rahm who his the tape for over a year so he could be re-elected.
 
you're right.

let's just vote cruz or trump in.

the country will be much better with a republiKKKan in office. :rolleyes2:

that is the only answer you have ? and that is exactly why the democrats keep moving further right or as y'all call em centrists and black communities stay ignored.

why are yo satisfied with who they give you to vote for ? maybe they should just do away with voting period and just use what you register as and just assign your vote to who they want.

okay so let me ask once again because maybe you know and Hillary won't say.

what will be better in black communities if she is in the white house ?
 
Why should he campaign for them, when they've taken a blood oath with the slippery serpent from Arkansas/Illinois/New York/California?

Ok, so Democrats shouldn't support him, and he shouldn't support them.
 
But they will have to explain to their constituents why they sided with Clinton, when they supported sanders. And maybe they're going to find themselves primaried out.

Clinton has 2 million more popular votes than Bernie. They'll be fine.
 
Clinton has 2 million more popular votes than Bernie. They'll be fine.

if it finishes that way they that is where the super delegates should be IMO.

I'm not sure if that 2 million number is not inflated because that would mean in the early southern primaries they had huge turnouts because once they left the south she didn't win anything by a large margin..
 
You full of shit

You don't follow this board to closely.

John Lewis, civil rights hero, is officially a coon on BGOL because he doesn't support Sanders. as is every member of the CBC.

Whatever you make think of Hillary, John Lewis did a hell of a lot more for the civil rights movement than get arrested at a sit in once 50 years ago. So for black people to turn on him for Sanders tells you everything you need to know.
 
if it finishes that way they that is where the super delegates should be IMO.

I'm not sure if that 2 million number is not inflated because that would mean in the early southern primaries they had huge turnouts because once they left the south she didn't win anything by a large margin..

It's tightening up for sure. I personally yhink NY could go either way.
 
Proof that Hillary supporters are annoying? Constant threads like this and trying to swarm people who disagree with replies that do not tell anyone why they should support her.

Wow you are delusional.

There are 10x more anti democrat, Hillary, and Bill Clinton threads started then anything negative about Bernie Sanders.
 
you're right.

let's just vote cruz or trump in.

the country will be much better with a republiKKKan in office. :rolleyes2:

He is a clown.

Day after day republicans slip up and admit they are stopping Blacks from voting. He deflects off of republicans any chance he gets.

Whether you support Democrats or not the fact is they are trying to get more Black people to vote while republicans are stopping Black people from voting.
 
this almost sounds like the who is more racists the north or the south debate.

repuliKKKans are the south and they are blatant in your face racists

establishment democrats are the north and they speak nicely to you but are closet racist who do their dirt in the dark
Bullshit

This is another republican tactic that what they are doing is no different from democrats.

Do democrats want more Black people to vote?
Are republicans stopping Black people from voting?
 
that is the only answer you have ? and that is exactly why the democrats keep moving further right or as y'all call em centrists and black communities stay ignored.

why are yo satisfied with who they give you to vote for ? maybe they should just do away with voting period and just use what you register as and just assign your vote to who they want.

okay so let me ask once again because maybe you know and Hillary won't say.

what will be better in black communities if she is in the white house ?
Their vote will not be taken away.

Racism will be declared real again

Millions will not lose life saving health care.

Liberal justices appointed to SC to stop Republican states from going back to pre civil rights.
 
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