BGOL review .. BATMAN V SUPERMAN... (thoughts, summary, spoilers)
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an interesting work around but the problem isn't that they both had mothers with the same name but that that exchange could have been done and common sense wise would have been done earlier. "Luthor has my mother!!" would have been the FIRST thing superman would have said to batman upon seeing him. In your set up if bruce knows who superman is then he already knows who his mother is.
I see where zack synder was trying to get to with the whole hey this guy isn't so bad after all..he's got a mom like me..but the way he got there was kinda
IMO I don't see how you get there with that premise and it not be cheesy in some way. Bruce Waynes paranoid nature plus his investigative skills would have had him seek out as much info on superman as possible plus weigh his good deeds against the destruction he causes and the conclusion would be is better to have him on our side than try to kill him (but let me have some krytonite on stand by...just in case. Which is pretty much how some comic stories portray their relationship already). Rather than the way they did it.
That's easily better than what we actually got.
Well it happened just like I predicted last week... China isn't feeling this movie and that's a huge concern. This is a drop..
‘Batman v Superman’ Hits a Wall at China Box Office
Superhero franchise movie “Batman v Superman: The Dawn of Justice” slumped at the Chinese box office as it entered its second week of release.
On Friday (April 1) the film earned $2.57 million (RMB16.7 million) and slipped from first place to fourth in the Chinese box office rankings. That score represents a drop of 85% compared with the previous Friday (March 25,) when it opened in China with $18.4 million as part of a globally coordinated day-and-date release.
“Batman v Superman” has seen its box office scores reduce on a daily basis through the week following its Saturday (March 26) peak of $22.3 million. With a host of new Chinese-language releases ahead of the local holiday — Tomb Sweeping Festival (Qingming) — that meant that exhibitors slashed the number of screens available to “Batman V Superman.”
The Friday chart was topped by “My Beloved Bodyguard,” (aka “The Bodyguard”,) a martial arts action drama directed by and starring Sammo Hung (“Martial Law”) and co-starring Andy Lau (“Infernal Affairs”) which earned $7.83 million (RMB50.9 million). Second place was “Chongqing Hotpot,” a noirish comedy-drama that last month opened the Hong Kong film festival, and which scored $5.24 million (RMB34.0 million.) Third was “Who Sleeps My Bro,” a youth drama which earned $3.41 million (RMB22.2 million).
“Batman v Superman” opened brightly with a $55.6 million first three days in China. Sources close to Warner Bros. told Variety earlier in the week that they “feel great about that number, as very few films open above $50 million.”
The source also cautioned against short term comparisons, as films in China open on different days of the week.
The slump for “Batman v Superman” comes at a time when China’s box office is growing at 50%. That growth is increasingly powered by local Chinese titles, rather than by Hollywood.
“Batman v Superman” was expected to benefit from being the biggest Hollywood superhero movie released in China since midway through last year. But with a tone than is darker than ideal for mainstream Chinese audiences the DC Comics adaptation earned modest reviews and weak word of mouth.
Its Sunday score was $14.8 million; Monday $4.58 million; Tuesday $4.02 million; Wednesday $3.47 million; Thursday $2.86 million. After eight days “Batman V Superman” stands on $74.9 million (RMB487 million), according to local data sources.
Local forecasts now point to a final score of less than $100 million (RMB650 million) for “Batman v Superman.” In 2015 the lesser known “Ant Man” earned RMB644 million, and “Avengers: The Age of Ultron” scored RMB1.47 billion. In 2014 “X-Men: Days of Future Past” scored RMB744 million. In 2013 “Iron Man 3” earned RMB768 million.
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/batman-v-superman-slumps-china-box-office-025522540.html
‘Batman v Superman’ Hits a Wall at China Box Office
Superhero franchise movie “Batman v Superman: The Dawn of Justice” slumped at the Chinese box office as it entered its second week of release.
On Friday (April 1) the film earned $2.57 million (RMB16.7 million) and slipped from first place to fourth in the Chinese box office rankings. That score represents a drop of 85% compared with the previous Friday (March 25,) when it opened in China with $18.4 million as part of a globally coordinated day-and-date release.
“Batman v Superman” has seen its box office scores reduce on a daily basis through the week following its Saturday (March 26) peak of $22.3 million. With a host of new Chinese-language releases ahead of the local holiday — Tomb Sweeping Festival (Qingming) — that meant that exhibitors slashed the number of screens available to “Batman V Superman.”
The Friday chart was topped by “My Beloved Bodyguard,” (aka “The Bodyguard”,) a martial arts action drama directed by and starring Sammo Hung (“Martial Law”) and co-starring Andy Lau (“Infernal Affairs”) which earned $7.83 million (RMB50.9 million). Second place was “Chongqing Hotpot,” a noirish comedy-drama that last month opened the Hong Kong film festival, and which scored $5.24 million (RMB34.0 million.) Third was “Who Sleeps My Bro,” a youth drama which earned $3.41 million (RMB22.2 million).
“Batman v Superman” opened brightly with a $55.6 million first three days in China. Sources close to Warner Bros. told Variety earlier in the week that they “feel great about that number, as very few films open above $50 million.”
The source also cautioned against short term comparisons, as films in China open on different days of the week.
The slump for “Batman v Superman” comes at a time when China’s box office is growing at 50%. That growth is increasingly powered by local Chinese titles, rather than by Hollywood.
“Batman v Superman” was expected to benefit from being the biggest Hollywood superhero movie released in China since midway through last year. But with a tone than is darker than ideal for mainstream Chinese audiences the DC Comics adaptation earned modest reviews and weak word of mouth.
Its Sunday score was $14.8 million; Monday $4.58 million; Tuesday $4.02 million; Wednesday $3.47 million; Thursday $2.86 million. After eight days “Batman V Superman” stands on $74.9 million (RMB487 million), according to local data sources.
Local forecasts now point to a final score of less than $100 million (RMB650 million) for “Batman v Superman.” In 2015 the lesser known “Ant Man” earned RMB644 million, and “Avengers: The Age of Ultron” scored RMB1.47 billion. In 2014 “X-Men: Days of Future Past” scored RMB744 million. In 2013 “Iron Man 3” earned RMB768 million.
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/batman-v-superman-slumps-china-box-office-025522540.html
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Fuck the Chinese
Actually, just one villain CAN fill out 2.5 hours of a feature length movie... but it just has to be THE RIGHT villain.Its like they don't think one villain can fill out a feature length run time
With some acting GRAVITAS.
Obviously... Jesse Eisenberg is just NOT the right villain.
However, if they cast ANY one of these actors....
Bryan Cranston
Michael Rosenbaum
Mark Strong
Joaquin Phoenix
Michael Stuhlbarg
Daniel Day Lewis
Javier Bardem
Paul Ben Victor
Just put ANY one of these guys in Lex's Warsuit, accompanied by a FLEET of different types of Military vehicles & Lexcorp Mercenary Soldiers who are executing a 'Hostile Takeover' for World Domination .... and they wouldn't even NEED to add Doomsday to this movie at all..... because Lex ALONE would be enough for Batman, Superman & Wonder Woman to deal with.
Just saying.
Yeah they rarely support anything other than their own.
as they should
Just saw it, I thought it was a cartoon script edited to fit well under three hours like the director's bonus was dependent on it. I didn't care for this iteration of Lex Luthor, I thought Luthor was more so a driven, ruthless, billionaire with a calm demeanor when carrying himself out and about. This one seems unstable, a bit profiled to be "modern", I feel like I've seen this before in poorly written villain roles. I do understand that Oscar worthy performances aren't sought after in these roles but this Luthor was too much. The Batman/Superman storyline was victim of poor editing from inception to buid-up (if any) all the way to resolve. DC definitely set themselves apart from Marvel as their method storytelling is in your face, there was no style in the introduction of the Justice League characters.Jason Mamoa staring into the screen for what seemed like 40 minutes of awkward, I understand that he's Aquaman next scene please. I don't mind the Batman much and then again the acting across the board was marginal. I also thought there was too much story, the one-liners were horrible "I grew up in a farm, I know how to wrassle a pig", "with balls like those, you belong in here". Those details made things a bit cliche in the grand scheme for me. A casual viewer would be bored of the lack of action, a dedicated fan would be upset behind the messy story, even meeting somewhere in the middle leaves viewers lacking more when all of demographics could have been met with the time and budget spent on this movie.
wow...judging by fridays numbers...this shit gonna have a 70% plus drop from last weekend...
81 million last fri only 15 a week later...
this is not good...at this rate this shit might b out of theaters by next week...lol
Wait, whut...
- Man of Steel made $668 million worldwide, in 14 weeks
- Batman vs Superman has made $587 million worldwide, in just 8 days
No contest.
I didn't have a problem with any of the cast theyre all fine actors its just the direction and interpretation they did..Actually, just one villain CAN fill out 2.5 hours of a feature length movie... but it just has to be THE RIGHT villain.
With some acting GRAVITAS.
Obviously... Jesse Eisenberg is just NOT the right villain.
However, if they cast ANY one of these actors....
jesse eisenberg was doing something that wasn't working...he himself cast as luthor isn't a problem for me.
Cats want it to fail badly man. They gonna dance a jig when it dont break a billie.Wait, whut...
- Man of Steel made $668 million worldwide, in 14 weeks
- Batman vs Superman has made $587 million worldwide, in just 8 days
No contest.
Damn......
It's not just the Chinese.... WB has a problem that they will need to fix. This was a bigger drop off then even I thought.
'Batman v Superman' drops 81% in second-Friday box office
What Warner Bros. feared looks to be coming true.
"Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" took in an estimated $15.35 million on Friday at the box office, that's an 81% drop from its record-breaking opening last Friday (including $27.7 million in Thursday previews).
The film is projected to take in $50 million this weekend.
In a weekend where there is no competition for "Batman v Superman" to worry about, this is an disappointing development and proves that word-of-mouth from audiences that saw the movie last weekend isn't good.
The drastic drop in second weekend sales is a historic one for superhero movies. According to Deadline, "Batman v Superman" now owns the steepest decline for a movie in the genre, beating out the 69% drop "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" had in 2009.
It seems Warner Bros. is on damage control of its DC Comics franchise, which has Batman and Superman returning next year in "Justice League Part 1."
It's next superhero movie, "Suicide Squad," is currently doing reshoots,according to reports, to give the film more of a fun feel that its trailer had.
A major criticism of "Batman v Superman" is that it's too serious and dark compared to the other superhero movies that currently dominate the box office.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/batman-v-superman-drops-81-161359610.html
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WB knew this shit was coming. That's why they went the world wide release and why they are doing reshoots on Suicide Squad. The biggest question mark know... will be "How does this affect the average fan for the future movies?"
The hardcore and casual fans will still be there day 1 for any superhero flick..... but will the average viewer be so turned off by this movie that they are are not going to be willing to see the next WB superhero movie if it gets horrible reviews again.
It's not just the Chinese.... WB has a problem that they will need to fix. This was a bigger drop off then even I thought.
'Batman v Superman' drops 81% in second-Friday box office
What Warner Bros. feared looks to be coming true.
"Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" took in an estimated $15.35 million on Friday at the box office, that's an 81% drop from its record-breaking opening last Friday (including $27.7 million in Thursday previews).
The film is projected to take in $50 million this weekend.
In a weekend where there is no competition for "Batman v Superman" to worry about, this is an disappointing development and proves that word-of-mouth from audiences that saw the movie last weekend isn't good.
The drastic drop in second weekend sales is a historic one for superhero movies. According to Deadline, "Batman v Superman" now owns the steepest decline for a movie in the genre, beating out the 69% drop "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" had in 2009.
It seems Warner Bros. is on damage control of its DC Comics franchise, which has Batman and Superman returning next year in "Justice League Part 1."
It's next superhero movie, "Suicide Squad," is currently doing reshoots,according to reports, to give the film more of a fun feel that its trailer had.
A major criticism of "Batman v Superman" is that it's too serious and dark compared to the other superhero movies that currently dominate the box office.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/batman-v-superman-drops-81-161359610.html
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WB knew this shit was coming. That's why they went the world wide release and why they are doing reshoots on Suicide Squad. The biggest question mark know... will be "How does this affect the average fan for the future movies?"
The hardcore and casual fans will still be there day 1 for any superhero flick..... but will the average viewer be so turned off by this movie that they are are not going to be willing to see the next WB superhero movie if it gets horrible reviews again.
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Man I don't know any more... I thought it was, but these numbers are telling. 81% friday drop off...
not just here but China...
Something is about to get pushed to the backburner and I agree. I think it has to be Justice League. I still think Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman will be fine, but I just don't see the average fan wanting to shell out money on Justice League... knowing that the same people that made Batman v. Superman will also be behind that movie. I think we are going to hear some changes coming soon on this.. ... WB can't spin this story. It's the biggest drop for a superhero movie in History.
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If nothing this flick actually proved that batman really doesn't belong in justice league...that he can't hang with super powered beings (no matter how prepared).
Bruce was essentially in ironman type armor and STILL had nothing to bring to the table. Even with kryptonite he barely hurt superman even if he did kill him how would he fight wonder woman if he had to?
At best his presence in the league is as the only fully HUMAN representative but look at that final battle scene....Superman went AT doomsday..Wonderwoman went AT doomsday with a SMILE on her face.. the BEST batman could do was be a distraction and bait. They missed ONE opportunity in that scene to show it...like doomsday shoots a blast of energy at them and Batman flies into wonderwoman who catches him and says "your in my way!" places him to the side and goes straight at DD without hesitation...
This SHOULD be addressed in the Justice League movie...if not its a HUGE omission.
Bruce was essentially in ironman type armor and STILL had nothing to bring to the table. Even with kryptonite he barely hurt superman even if he did kill him how would he fight wonder woman if he had to?
At best his presence in the league is as the only fully HUMAN representative but look at that final battle scene....Superman went AT doomsday..Wonderwoman went AT doomsday with a SMILE on her face.. the BEST batman could do was be a distraction and bait
. They missed ONE opportunity in that scene to show it...like doomsday shoots a blast of energy at them and Batman flies into wonderwoman who catches him and says "your in my way!" places him to the side and goes straight at DD without hesitation...This SHOULD be addressed in the Justice League movie...if not its a HUGE omission.
If nothing this flick actually proved that batman really doesn't belong in justice league...that he can't hang with super powered beings (no matter how prepared).
Bruce was essentially in ironman type armor and STILL had nothing to bring to the table. Even with kryptonite he barely hurt superman even if he did kill him how would he fight wonder woman if he had to?
At best his presence in the league is as the only fully HUMAN representative but look at that final battle scene....Superman went AT doomsday..Wonderwoman went AT doomsday with a SMILE on her face.. the BEST batman could do was be a distraction and bait
This SHOULD be addressed in the Justice League movie...if not its a HUGE omission.
I think it is because of questions like this.... that it is important for WB to stop what they are doing on Justice League. People are going to go into that movie with the exact same issues and they aren't going to want to see it. WB really fucked up on this. I don't think I have ever seen a hit movie be the cause for the ruination of a franchise.
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Less plot holes BvS
Or this trailer
Couldn't resist
Or this trailer
Couldn't resist
these are issues that can be hashed out on screen in a decent way but just shows the dramatic imbalance on the team..if theres a threat that needs superman ww and other superpowered being to deal with then batman is useless in a battle. And if theres some issue that batman and green arrow can do then supes, ww and flash are overkill...itd be like bringing in a ICBM missile to knockdown a door on a shack.
What batman DOES bring to the table that the others may not is superb investigative skills and being rich gives him quiet access to areas no one else get into as their alter egos. But that reduces his appearances in the justice league stories to supporting roles.
It's probably in their best interest to do solo films and JL last. Batman-WW-Flash-Aquaman-Justice League. Have Affleck cameo in each film if he's down to do so or get WW to help recruit by cameo's. They can rebuild that way and still make bank provided they have a good script and director with a vision. May take until 2022 before we get a JL movie but it is what it is if they wan't to save their established cinematic universe.
I agree with you, but you know that they aren't going to do this. Sadly they could have if they stuck to the original plan of coming out with a Man of Steel 2 last year and used that to be the first movie for the cinematic universe. You drop a Batman cameo in that one.. Then come out with Batman v. Supes this year.. Wonder Woman and Flash next year (2017)... Then have Aquaman - Justice League (2018)
The Shit right now is just weird... Here is the current order:
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Suicide Squad (2016)
Wonder Woman (2017)
Justice League Part One (2017)
The Flash (2018)
Aquaman (2018)
Shazam (2019)
Justice League Part Two (2019)
Cyborg (2020)
Green Lantern Corps (2020)
Why would you have the solo films after the Characters are introduced in Justice League Part 1?
This tells you three things going into Justice League...
1. They aren't going to tell you shit about the Characters origins
Because they have to leave some mystery for the solo movie.
2. They aren't going to show the full extent of their powers in Justice League Part 1?
Again.. because their has be to some mystery and they can't show them needing a team to take down a lowly villain in justice league, but then show the guy... single handly taking on all kinds of shit in their own movies the next year.
3. Flash and Aquaman's stories will have to be entirely prequels and weird prequels... I don't even know how cameos would work, since the audience know that Batman and Wonder Woman recruited them for the first movie. So there is no need to show Batman or Wonder Woman talking to them again in the Solo movie.
My head hurts trying to figure out how they are going to do Part 1.
The BEST thing to happen to WB/DC is for this movie to have a huge drop off average dvd sales disappointing China numbers and continued fan & critical disappointment. Not because I hate DC but because there needs to be a standard set.
YOU Do Not want these studios to think they can just drop anything on the screen and they will make a ton of money off the name legacy and fans regardless of the quality
We ain't gonna Michael Bay crisis on infinite earth's or secret wars.
That will the quickest death of the entire genre.
Deadpool succeeded yes, but we don't want a ton of crappie r rated super hero movies just because it worked once.
We need to keep the bar high. For dc and marvel and any one else inclined to join the fray.
So this ain't no hate it's about making sure the genre survives and thrives.
DC wants to be "dark" fine. Marvel wants to be bright fine. But we NEED good.
And so far DC straining so hard to form it's own identity (which just seems like being the opposite of marvel) instead of staying true to the best mythology in modern literature ain't working.
Because no one I mean no one saw winter solider coming. Or Guardians. Hell avengers 2 was mediocre but entertaining as hell just off the lift the hammer scene.
Ya'll realize they could have done a whole movie like that and people would have been happy.
People KNEW ryan reynolds would HONOR deadpool. He said it for years and proved. I Gurantee del Toro and Snipes would make a wicked blade movie right now. I think the last wolverine will be the best one.
Honestly I think if Affleck had the reins of solo batman flick it would be better then Nolan.
DC ain't built up that type of credibility yet on film. On TV? Hell yeah.....and honestly deciding to seperate the two is a bad idea.
Imagine the Arrow trapped in blackgate prison, with the next version of the suicide squad trying to survive and needed to work with them to escape and Lex and the Joker in the same prison? Diggle trying to get locked up too. Alfred visiting Oliver because he knew the Queen family. Hell but AGRUS, HIVE & the League of Assassins in there too.
Cause trust Marvel will have all that in Civil War.
YOU Do Not want these studios to think they can just drop anything on the screen and they will make a ton of money off the name legacy and fans regardless of the quality
We ain't gonna Michael Bay crisis on infinite earth's or secret wars.
That will the quickest death of the entire genre.
Deadpool succeeded yes, but we don't want a ton of crappie r rated super hero movies just because it worked once.
We need to keep the bar high. For dc and marvel and any one else inclined to join the fray.
So this ain't no hate it's about making sure the genre survives and thrives.
DC wants to be "dark" fine. Marvel wants to be bright fine. But we NEED good.
And so far DC straining so hard to form it's own identity (which just seems like being the opposite of marvel) instead of staying true to the best mythology in modern literature ain't working.
Because no one I mean no one saw winter solider coming. Or Guardians. Hell avengers 2 was mediocre but entertaining as hell just off the lift the hammer scene.
Ya'll realize they could have done a whole movie like that and people would have been happy.
People KNEW ryan reynolds would HONOR deadpool. He said it for years and proved. I Gurantee del Toro and Snipes would make a wicked blade movie right now. I think the last wolverine will be the best one.
Honestly I think if Affleck had the reins of solo batman flick it would be better then Nolan.
DC ain't built up that type of credibility yet on film. On TV? Hell yeah.....and honestly deciding to seperate the two is a bad idea.
Imagine the Arrow trapped in blackgate prison, with the next version of the suicide squad trying to survive and needed to work with them to escape and Lex and the Joker in the same prison? Diggle trying to get locked up too. Alfred visiting Oliver because he knew the Queen family. Hell but AGRUS, HIVE & the League of Assassins in there too.
Cause trust Marvel will have all that in Civil War.
This has been my entire point this entire thread... My hatred directed toward this movie is because it should have been better then this. They rushed a product and they should not be rewarded for it. They have to learn... that why I couldn't believe people were defending it. Shit has to change. I've been waiting my entire life to see these Gods Among us on the Big screen and I'll be damned if they are going to fuck it up.
This is telling. Worst aspect of the movie, imo, even thought I mostly enjoyed the rest of it.
If nothing this flick actually proved that batman really doesn't belong in justice league...that he can't hang with super powered beings (no matter how prepared).
Bruce was essentially in ironman type armor and STILL had nothing to bring to the table. Even with kryptonite he barely hurt superman even if he did kill him how would he fight wonder woman if he had to?
At best his presence in the league is as the only fully HUMAN representative but look at that final battle scene....Superman went AT doomsday..Wonderwoman went AT doomsday with a SMILE on her face.. the BEST batman could do was be a distraction and bait
This SHOULD be addressed in the Justice League movie...if not its a HUGE omission.
Interesting viewpoint.
Batman is pure DPS, without a tank (Superman or Wonder Woman) to pull aggro, he is screwed.
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I kinda think Batman is more of a Support role (when he's in a group)... but straight DPS when he is solo.
(ie He's mostly 'tactics, distractions & game plan' when he's in a group, who's really good at clearing out the 'trash mobs' of low-level foot soldiers... But pure 'stealth, offense & damage' when he's all alone.)
^^ Agreed. Superman & Wonder Woman are definitely Tanks that fight the 'big bosses' & pull all the aggro.
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WTF is DPS?
I think you have been clear on that from the jump.
And your right.
I really hope tical ain't really that invested in all this. Cause nobody WANTED this is to happen but it was becoming more and more obvious with each trailer btw tell dc stop with all the trailers.
I respect his passion. He should direct at dc movie group
Will you guys sign this? https://www.change.org/p/warner-bro...-justice-b9772307-d51c-46d0-a87a-bda39e9cf702
If true...then dc f*cked up yet again cause he would have been perfecto.
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