C'mon bruh. The whole world capitalizes off of alcohol but as soon as Spike does it there's a problem
Okay people we need to talk about Spike Lee's movies of the last 10 years...edit HIGHEST 2 LOWEST another miss???
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C'mon bruh. The whole world capitalizes off of alcohol but as soon as Spike does it there's a problem
more easier to produce ur own content and release it to the masses now than ever b4.. u could literally do a 60 min standup comedy using a selfie stick and ur cellphone in ur crib..make some bs website and literally have people pay to see the stream..you can make a free trailer using youtube and send a mass email of the link for the trailer..u can promote the shit out of it on facebook, twitter, instragram, etc for absolutely free, even send a mass text to all the people on ur phone and tell them to pass the info on..it's no excuses anymore..if u don't push something out there it's ur fault.. the adult industry is the perfect example of that now..u don't need big companies anymore..any random chick who can suck a mean dick can literally sell their own clips without needing the industry to cosign her..this is the century for the independant producer..once the tech game improved and became cheaper the big markets got scared..the only thing saving them rite now is the naiveness of many not knowing what they are capable of doin by themselves
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I'm not going to say there hasn't been shifts in the industry and those shifts have major effects on black filmmakers but at the same time we've seen a sort of resurgence of black cinema between tyler perry, lee daniels, ice cube, producer will packer and a few others...is like the black film renaissance of the 90s?? not exactly to the same scale but its there. And thru out that spike has still produced films. Its just that with the exception of one or two in the last 10 years most of them have not connected as stories with the larger community.
Miss as in nobody liked the damn movies fam
So the big studios own the theaters, too? Or are they just in bed with em?
Couldn't some heavyweights like Overbrook & Tyler Perry studios get together, leverage their star power, buying power, and their industry relationships to broker a deal with like AMC or REGAL Cinemas to distribute any & everything they do?
That way they can market for cheaper to the target audience that's already in the theaters; e.g. like Master P did with putting upcoming releases on the inside of liner notes of cds. They could package their releases like that, make 3 trailers that play before every movie by Overbrook & Tyler Perry Studios, and make it so their agreement with the distributing theaters (AMC or REGAL) have to play THEIR trailers exclusively for THEIR releases.
Just a thought. What cha thank?
just like in the music industry - distribution is controlled by the same companiesSo the big studios own the theaters, too? Or are they just in bed with em?
Couldn't some heavyweights like Overbrook & Tyler Perry studios get together, leverage their star power, buying power, and their industry relationships to broker a deal with like AMC or REGAL Cinemas to distribute any & everything they do?
That way they can market for cheaper to the target audience that's already in the theaters; e.g. like Master P did with putting upcoming releases on the inside of liner notes of cds. They could package their releases like that, make 3 trailers that play before every movie by Overbrook & Tyler Perry Studios, and make it so their agreement with the distributing theaters (AMC or REGAL) have to play THEIR trailers exclusively for THEIR releases.
Just a thought. What cha thank?
Universal Warner Disney Sony Paramount -even Miramax has to go through a major studio for a wide distribution - Tyler Perry Harpo Overbrook teaming up would be the same as if No Limit Bad Boy DefJam and Death Row teamed up backin 99... Walmart might take their calls but everyone else would lock them out
in this case studios still have a piece of both of those outlets
Regal was United Artists and AMC was Loews / Sony, the only reason for the shift was to avoid monopoly but the relationships are still there
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people are creatures of habits and don't think outside the box..u can always cut the middleman out and do it urself but lot of the creatures of habits only know 1 routine and pigeon hole themselves...this is all any bizzness minded person need to kno..the two most important things in bizzness is the cliental and the product..as long as u can connect the two u don't need anybody else..so if u can create it u can easily move it in various forms..stream/dvd/channel/etcSo the big studios own the theaters, too? Or are they just in bed with em?
Couldn't some heavyweights like Overbrook & Tyler Perry studios get together, leverage their star power, buying power, and their industry relationships to broker a deal with like AMC or REGAL Cinemas to distribute any & everything they do?
That way they can market for cheaper to the target audience that's already in the theaters; e.g. like Master P did with putting upcoming releases on the inside of liner notes of cds. They could package their releases like that, make 3 trailers that play before every movie by Overbrook & Tyler Perry Studios, and make it so their agreement with the distributing theaters (AMC or REGAL) have to play THEIR trailers exclusively for THEIR releases.
Just a thought. What cha thank?
Simple. Spike had it with all the hats when he first started. Writing and directing. His directing, and scoring haven't fallen off 1 bit his writing has. He needs to just direct and score films like he has and he'll be OK.
Spike has his agency SpikeDDB. He is more interested in doing commercial work that keeps him paid than doing features. When he wants the acclaim, he'll do a documentary which he is very good at. He also does TV. I think he's meh on films these days.
Spike lee started making short films in 1979. He is the most prolific impactful productive black American director of all time. Without question he is a cultural icon who defined an entire generation culturally. No other films spoke to the times of the late 80's and early 90's as spike lee's. For black people he is THE DIRECTOR. To narrow his career down to the last 3rd is silly and stupid. It's like judging Jordan off his legacy as a Washington Bullet or Roy Jones off his last 10 fights. Spike Lee when it comes to filmmaking is clearly THE GREATEST AFRICAN AMERICAN FILMMAKER OF ALL TIME. To suggest otherwise is foolish.
You all can continue on with this bullshit post that attempts to diminish the legacy of a man that culturally has given more back to the black community than ANY artist in the last 50 years.
You all can continue on with this bullshit post that attempts to diminish the legacy of a man that culturally has given more back to the black community than ANY artist in the last 50 years.
who suggested Spike Lee wasn't great? Or judged his entire career off the last ten years. But to use your analogies when a great athlete like a boxer begins to hit the mat or starts suffering uncharacteristic losses you start asking whats up with that?? in fact the article acknowledges Lee's greatness:
I think Spike losing a step is inevitable for anyone who produces at a high level (as quiet as its kept another big name New York director Woody Allen has been more misses than hits since the late 80s) but lets be honest, when it comes to Black filmmakers, Spike's had the benefit of not just having the inside track but the whole track to himself and therefore he's never been pushed professionally by any colleagues because he has no colleagues or contemporaries. In a real sense Lee splits time in black cinema, there are black filmmakers before Spike and after Spike.
Before Spike is who..Sidney Poitier, Melvin Van Peeples, Gordon Parks, Oscar Michaeux...but these are people at least a decade or longer before Spike.
After Spike is who..Robert Townsend, John Singleton, the Hughes brothers, the Hudlins..but these are all people who came out in the late 80s early 90s mostly inspired or influenced by Spike.
Even though Townsend came out a year after Lee, he was a comedian therefore not really direct competition for him. I mean when you look at some great directors you can see a contemporary there who kinda pushed them in competitive ways like Coppola and Scorsese or Lucas and Spielberg. Singleton and the Hughes brothers delved in the same dramatic genre as Spike but you can see his influence in that they look up to Spike and give him deference not across from him saying step up your game, homie.
So Spike has been left to do whatever he wants and as such never really had to shore up or work on any perceived issues or weaknesses in his storytelling (for example his heavy hand in social commentary in his movies). He has never been challenged in that way. Maybe from critics but who gives a shit about them..but not from other black filmmakers in the trenches who are NOT impressed that he was able to make a Hollywood film in the first place. For most of his career Spike was able to use any controversy that was drummed up by his outspoken nature to bring attention to his projects. This worked especially well for Malcolm X and Do The Right Thing. But lately his penchant shooting from the hip on social and political issues has only brought attention to him personally rather than any project he's working on.
You would have known that if you actually read the thing rather than rant off the title and posts in the thread..
So the over reaction and outrage is unnecessary NO ONE IS ABOVE scrutiny or questioning here.
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I heard some talk that was not really Rosie Perez's titties. There was no head in those pictures, so it's possible. Anybody know the truth?
them droopy ass titties with the cigar stub nipples...yeah thats her..
Then I disagree with that then. I fucks with all them movies. I get why people didn't like Chi-raq and that shit was trash.
We don't like shit no more though lol. Like I get why people didn't like Chiraq or Sweet Blood of Jesus or Red Hook Summer. Wierd ass movies. But them other films weren't bad movies. I remember they hated She Hate Me. I thought that was a great film.
she hate me was all over the place? was it a whistle blower story? about gay marriage and the rights of gay parents?? single women wanting children?
See this my point. We've been programmed to follow a certain blueprint on how to make a film. Spike went off of that blueprint and people said it was all over the place or it was trash. He tackled a bunch of different topics through one character in Mackie's character. It wasn't a traditional film but I can't call it bad because it didn't follow the traditional filmmaking format.
its okay to tackle different topics but people were looking for a connecting point for them...what did the whistleblower/enron stuff have to do with the surrogate father stuff with the lesbian parent stuff with the rekindled flame/brokenheart stuff? Without some kind of thing that brings them together its comes off as some random shit thrown together. An the breaking the traditional filmmaking format just comes off as pretentious.
Francis Ford Coppola talks about filmmakers walking that fine line and how its percieved.
I get that
You disagree cuz you like it but you have to agree that those movies weren't as well recieved overall as his joints in the 80s and 90s
That's my point
Well shit I'd probably agree with that. I don't know what that is to be honest. Well I do somewhat get it. The subject matter is different. But I feel its more of Spike than it his work. Like no body can tell me Tyler Perry shit is better than Spikes but for whatever reason his movies are better received by us than Spike. People just grew tired of spike for whatever reason.
HIT - MISS - OK.... what you got???
THE EARLY YEARS
1986 She's Gotta Have It -
1988 School Daze -
1989 Do the Right Thing -
1990 Mo' Better Blues -
1991 Jungle Fever -
1992 Malcolm X -
1994 Crooklyn -
1995 Clockers -
1996 Girl 6 -
THE MIDDLE YEARS
1996 Get on the Bus -
1998 He Got Game -
1999 Summer of Sam -
2000 The Original Kings of Comedy
2000 Bamboozled
2002 25th Hour -
2004 She Hate Me -
RECENT YEARS
2006 Inside Man -
2008 Miracle at St. Anna -
2012 Red Hook Summer -
2013 Oldboy -
2015 Chi-Raq -
THE EARLY YEARS
1986 She's Gotta Have It -
1988 School Daze -
1989 Do the Right Thing -
1990 Mo' Better Blues -
1991 Jungle Fever -
1992 Malcolm X -
1994 Crooklyn -
1995 Clockers -
1996 Girl 6 -
THE MIDDLE YEARS
1996 Get on the Bus -
1998 He Got Game -
1999 Summer of Sam -
2000 The Original Kings of Comedy
2000 Bamboozled
2002 25th Hour -
2004 She Hate Me -
RECENT YEARS
2006 Inside Man -
2008 Miracle at St. Anna -
2012 Red Hook Summer -
2013 Oldboy -
2015 Chi-Raq -
He doing too much with his movies
It was some random shit thrown together but how is that bad? Is Film not a form of art? Like I never just never got that. Like if we don't follow a certain film formula than its shit. Its the only form of art where we try to tell people how it SHOULD'VE been.
At its heart narrative filmmaking is storytelling right..and a narrative has to have a beginning a middle and an end in order for it to make sense to the audience. If I told you a story and said once upon a time there was a little boy who plays with a balloon in his backyard then a bird swoops down and steals the balloon and he goes inside and later goes to sleep and space aliens visit his room and take him on a ride across the galaxy where he sees incredible landscapes and cities on some distance planet then he goes to a bedroom there and wakes up home where his parents takes him to the zoo and he sees lions in a cage and gets sad for them then later he's in his bedroom drawing pictures of balloons. THE END...you would listen to that and think WHAT THE FLYING FUCK WAS THAT?
Is it art? maybe but as a linear narrative story it fails big time. If She Hate Me was meant to be some random things that happen in the day of the life of some guy then fine but Spikes history in filmmaking and story telling has never been random like that...maybe he was trying some new shit
but it lost me..what I do find interesting and funny is that She Hate Me did well in france tho..
Domestic: $366,037
Foreign: $1,156,340
Worldwide: $1,522,377
FOREIGN TOTAL - $1,156,340
France - $653,012
Hungary - $4,574
Italy - $226,808
Only the fuckin french dig convoluted storytelling with lots of nudity and sex..
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Saw Chi-raq...really believe it would have been better recieved if a newcomer had done it...i think spikes name attached to it is a turn off now.
Perhaps the greatest set of all natural breasts put on film ever
Rosie's titty game is definitely long-term correct & in full effect.
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