This is true. Just ask any minority dean at any historically white institution. The bottom line is any kind of "action" really needs to be done BEFORE they get to college. But no one wants to tackle K-12 education and the disparities that exist there.
Scalia: Affirmative Action Sends Blacks To Schools Too Advanced For Them
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This is true. Just ask any minority dean at any historically white institution. The bottom line is any kind of "action" really needs to be done BEFORE they get to college. But no one wants to tackle K-12 education and the disparities that exist there.
Funny you mention this. I had echo similar with factual evidence as part of an earlier reply...
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If people concede that kids are being screwed through to high school, do they really think they are prepared for college?
You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. And again only offer anecdotal bullshit to substantiate your baseless assertions while presenting them as fact. You're not nearly as smart as you seem to think you are.
Lastly, your latest stat grab presents an entirely different issue than what is originally being discussed here. Clearly, you're too fucking imbecilic to make that glaring distinction.
Try again.
Actually the stats I was talking about were in reference to a side bar discussion, but loosely related.
For you to attempt to directly link the two shows how imbecilic you are.
And yet throughout this little silly discourse you've provided 0% to back up your views. Only baseless barbs and childish playground babble taunts.
Did you stick your tongue out at the screen and make dumbo ears with your hands after hit send too?
A major fuck up. Quite the appropriate handle ... quite appropriate indeed, sir.
One of the problems with discussing Affirmative Action and all the challenges to it is that the actual challenge itself is rarely discussed because if attention was paid to the actual person challenging it most cases would be dismissed outright. However white folk are as focus on ending any and all programs that may help Black people as we were in getting them instituted to begin with. So lets look at some fact about this case:
"Fisher’s GPA and SAT scores weren’t high enough, and she didn’t have enough external accomplishments to convince the school to give her a shot otherwise. As Pro Publica explained at the time"
It’s true that the university, for whatever reason, offered provisional admission to some students with lower test scores and grades than Fisher. Five of those students were black or Latino. Forty-two were white.
"168 black and Latino students with grades as good as or better than Fisher’s who were also denied entry into the university that year."
The reality is this, white folk believe mediocre white folks are better than every Black person regardless of accomplishment and this case says while 42 other white people were allowed entry those 5 Black or Latino students took the spot for some other under achieving white person and that is unfair.
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/09/abi...case_aimed_at_boosting_subpar_white_students/
"Fisher’s GPA and SAT scores weren’t high enough, and she didn’t have enough external accomplishments to convince the school to give her a shot otherwise. As Pro Publica explained at the time"
It’s true that the university, for whatever reason, offered provisional admission to some students with lower test scores and grades than Fisher. Five of those students were black or Latino. Forty-two were white.
"168 black and Latino students with grades as good as or better than Fisher’s who were also denied entry into the university that year."
The reality is this, white folk believe mediocre white folks are better than every Black person regardless of accomplishment and this case says while 42 other white people were allowed entry those 5 Black or Latino students took the spot for some other under achieving white person and that is unfair.
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/09/abi...case_aimed_at_boosting_subpar_white_students/
A side bar conversation which you used in a text response to me for the purposes of validating a baseless assertion...backed only by an account provided by your alleged sister? You're getting dumber by the post.
And this "silly discourse" as you refer to it, is only a exercise in pointing out how patently ridiculous your takes are while highlighting that YOU are void of the same facts and statistical data that you demand from others. That my friend, is a factual observation, and they arent any articles needed to point that out. And any resulting label i apply to you is mere discriptor...
Also funny how you again display your raging hypocrisy (and rampant idiocy) by accusing me of stooping to insults as you do just that while being reduced to screen name smack and name calling. Lame on.
Again, you're not nearly as sharp as you seem to think you are.
Try again.
Just to add, Clarence Thomas believed that affirmative action impeded his progress and ability to get hired after he graduated Yale Law School. His attitude was that employers were avoiding him because they thought he got into Yale due to AA and would be a mediocre employee, so he's been against AA ever since. Go check some of his old interviews around the time his book came out.
Man when I was little and after my moms died I went from one of the top elite schools in NYC to one of the hood joints in L.A. and adjusting to that shit was hard as fuck... But I was able to adjust and move one, however if I had to do it the other way around, that shit would have been damn near impossible mainly because in the elite school we did so much work than we was used to it and considered normal... Asking a kid that is not used to that regiment to jump in and bust it out, is not realistic or likely..
They need to reform the grade schools before kids have a clue to whats hard work and not..
But the stumbling block there is that, in order for those kids to excel there has to be parent participation for the kids.. In the elite school all the kids parents had some sort of an active role in the children development, we all knew most of the kids parents and most of the parents knew each other, however in the other school the only time you'd see a parent is if their child was getting suspended or was injured or sick..
They need to reform the grade schools before kids have a clue to whats hard work and not..
But the stumbling block there is that, in order for those kids to excel there has to be parent participation for the kids.. In the elite school all the kids parents had some sort of an active role in the children development, we all knew most of the kids parents and most of the parents knew each other, however in the other school the only time you'd see a parent is if their child was getting suspended or was injured or sick..
Also keep in mind that these are usually poor black kids being sent to rich or upper middle class white schools... Parents and class makes a big difference in a kid ability to learn, for example if you were to move poor white kids to a rich white school, I am sure they would suffer from the same problems..
The main problem is that in the poor community the expectations of their children are not as lofty and demanding.. However, the richer white kids are often expected from a very young age to work towards their academic standing in society or risk losing out in family inheritance and respect..
With the poorer families the parents are often just happy that their kids are a big fish in a small lake meaning top dog in a underachieving school..
The main problem is that in the poor community the expectations of their children are not as lofty and demanding.. However, the richer white kids are often expected from a very young age to work towards their academic standing in society or risk losing out in family inheritance and respect..
With the poorer families the parents are often just happy that their kids are a big fish in a small lake meaning top dog in a underachieving school..
It's only so long that the stats doesn't back up this whole doomsday mentality
Without police profiling this shit would have been way higher
the cac days are numbered
when you have a supreme court justice talking that racism shit
you know they are losing faster than they thought
Bro
Nothing needs to be said.
We know what's up.
They know what's up.
We just have to keep executing and handling our business.
Their time is limited
NAw nibs legit
A cac no doubt
A cac no doubt
And another thing.
I have ivy league subordinates
They are not impressive whatsoever
Can think themselves out of a wet paper bag.
They are good at following process and procedures.
Repeat what is thought
But we are now coming into an age where the ability to adapt is the competitive advantage.
Their age is done.
They are killing themselves off at higher and higher rates particularly the more affluent ones including their kids
If they are so advanced then why are they killing themselves at such a high rate?
Let us stay focused people.
They are their own worse enemy.
I have ivy league subordinates
They are not impressive whatsoever
Can think themselves out of a wet paper bag.
They are good at following process and procedures.
Repeat what is thought
But we are now coming into an age where the ability to adapt is the competitive advantage.
Their age is done.
They are killing themselves off at higher and higher rates particularly the more affluent ones including their kids
If they are so advanced then why are they killing themselves at such a high rate?
Let us stay focused people.
They are their own worse enemy.
Racism is a helluva drug!
Yup..
You posted a chart from 2010 and think this is up to date information in 2015, sir?
Do you use a calendar from 2010 to book appointments for 2015 too?
Here's a qualified and verified source that the government and NGO's use for white papers and studies on education. You can pull the data and data tables to confirm that the numbers for males were off.
Black Females were for a brief time outpacing black men by a factor of 1.5x if memory serves.
http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=98
Btw - A generational slump = gen Y vs millenials.
And what is the "it" that you think I'm supposed to get?
I already stated long ago that I support Affirmative Action and don't subscribe to Scalia's hypothesis because on the individual level, his thinking on the matter is sweeping and logically flawed.
The parent involvement part and interaction with the teacher and other parents is a major factor and a stunning difference.
At better / elite schools they all but demand that the parent be involved. Parents have homework too. Parents will receive weekly progress reports. Parents don't have to be told to be involved though. They accept this as the standard - not the additional burden.
Trust... i went to school with a lot of "my dad donated money to get me in" white folks that were beyond morons, yet they somehow graduated right there alongside me. Look at fucking George Bush...how did he get accepted to an Ivy League school and I don't want to hear about test scores and hard work because all 'records' can be fudged.
George W Bush got into Ivy League schools while rocking a C average. If he were Black people would be up in arms over it.
Nibbs, who is one of our old trolls, is busy trying to convince you that Black people aren't about education. Yet based on CENSUS DATA. seems Black people care about education:
Take a DEEP PAUSE and miss me with that total load or horseshit you just attempted to unload.
I never said black people do not care about education. I never even implied that black people do not care about education.
I did say that often the academic rigor of their pre-secondary education coursework, a deft lack of mastery of the the fundamentals, and often laissez-faire parental involvement leaves many of them at a disadvantage when they make it into a secondary education institutions.
I never claimed we cannot make it into college - but more than any other ethnic class blacks are often the ones taking a semester or two of remedial coursework. Especially when at colleges and universities that have a strong reputation for putting a premium on the emphasis of academic excellence over other non-scholastic endeavors. That same delineation even happens amongst HBCUs - Howard & Morehouse is "our" Ivy League while say, Bowie St. or anything with an "A&T" at the end generally has a lower academic rigor and standard.
If this site can accept PDF's I'd be happy to upload my Sister's studies and white papers. She's a lifelong educator and dealt intimately with the two top standardized test design companies.
BTW, again, you're using DATED information and a static histogram. 2011?
First, go look at a calendar and then tell me what year we are in.
I believe I linked you the data aggregator for all the most recent studies and metrics. Watch the overall trend for Black Males between 2005 - 2015, both college enrollment and college graduation rates.
A ten year window not a one year snapshot.
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Man shut the fuck up. You take home the award for most bullshit served in one sentence.
- Montgomery County, MD is not overwhelmingly white. In fact it's not even 50% white.
- Montgomery County, MD is not "the most affluent county in the country. By most accounts, it's not even breaking the top 10.
- Montgomery County, MD isn't 10 miles from Prince George's County, MD. They border one another.