& Jay Z is still around, if that was his only wave to his success that's a 20 year wave, then. That wave can begin your career, but it can't keep you around, Jay Z's talent kept him around.
Irv Gotti: Jay-Z swag rode B.I.G. and DMX's wave of success
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Doesn't sound like Irv is hating. Jay goes with what works, thats no secret. He has always said he he is "not a rapper, but a hustler that happens to rap". Hustlers see whats selling and offer a comparable product. He has been very successful in filling a void.
That volume 2 is trash now can't let it fuck without skipping hella tracks
Reasonable Doubt n Blueprint AMAZING
VOL 1 a certified street banger.It's actually the most played Jay album in my opinion
The black album n American Gangster both in the same category both solid albums but nowhere on the level as RD or blueprint
Reasonable Doubt n Blueprint AMAZING
VOL 1 a certified street banger.It's actually the most played Jay album in my opinion
The black album n American Gangster both in the same category both solid albums but nowhere on the level as RD or blueprint
I never liked Volume 2 for this exact reason. On Reasonable Doubt and Vol.1 Jay-Z was "big willie". Cristal raps, suits and gangster hats, and serving "from 4 fiends away". Then on Vol.2 he followed the Ruff Ryders craze started rocking sports jerseys, rappin bout bein on the block wit the mac, and "ride or die" shit. I was like wtf happened this dude while everyone else and white folks made that shit like 5x plat.
"These days a brother gotta admire me from 4 fiends away," is the line. Serving "from 4 fiends away," is a completely different context.
If I hop on your "wave"..am successful with it..move on to other bigger success and you fizzle out...maybe your wave isnt as big or as important as you think it is...
Some people get mad when a man takes another man style and makes it better...
They forget, it's not about who does something "First", its about who does it the "Best"..
Just like everything else in life
This..He even put on a shiny suit for half a second
They forget, it's not about who does something "First", its about who does it the "Best"..
Just like everything else in life
but if it was that easy, it would have worked for Mic Geronimo
This..He even put on a shiny suit for half a second
well thats the whole point of hoppin waves bro. to keep yourself relevant. or else what would be the point?
It's a different day and time,the wave he's riding on has more to do with him as a person,the deals he makes,the products he endorses,beyonce their child.The music comes second to all of that.
Diddy,50,Dre,Kanye and the rest all are lucky enough to have the same wave.
Biggie passing helped jay because people were looking for someone or something to fill that void and Jay was next up;let's not act like that Jay also tossed out a few things like not using pen or pad(like biggie),being close to Biggie and respected whether true or not.
Dmx breathed life into newyork and rap period because everyone wanted to be extra lyrical when he just wanted to be real,hardcore boom bap and he was all of that in one.Money,cash hoe's song did more for Jay than it did for Dmx who have crossed paths before.
Irv is a good at doing what he does I think as soon as he stepped out from the shadows is when it started to go bad for him.
lol if they would of did this 50 at that time would of killed these nigga even more than he did
Pretty much
As a casual Jay fan, I agree with this.......
I never liked Volume 2 for this exact reason. On Reasonable Doubt and Vol.1 Jay-Z was "big willie". Cristal raps, suits and gangster hats, and serving "from 4 fiends away". Then on Vol.2 he followed the Ruff Ryders craze started rocking sports jerseys, rappin bout bein on the block wit the mac, and "ride or die" shit. I was like wtf happened this dude while everyone else and white folks made that shit like 5x plat.
Sometimes you dudes be so incorrect with your information. Go listen/watch streets is watching. That prelude to Vol 2 Jay. Also Hay was rocking sports Hersey before reasonable doubt even dropped.
That song and video was definitely mistake.
It can be argued that X was bigger than Jay during that time. Regardless of how much y'all niggas stan, there's some truth to what he's sayin'. Niggas went from that mafioso shit, to da Big Willie shit & so on.
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Three number one albums in a row. I believe it was 18 months.
well okay
but why are these "artists" and I use that term very broadly so hurt over it....if their talent was as good as they believe it is they could garner more success...
basically to me it amounts to flash in the pan dudes who get these grandiose ideas of their artistry....the world is full of one hit wonders and short term successes...
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DMX was no doubt bigger. People forget that Jay was the third most popular rapper in his own Hard Knock Life tour.
Man Irv is delusional man. Nobody was checking for Irv. He was respected to an extent of his hit making but nobody wanted a Irv Gotti album man chill Irv.
I don't know if its the NY in these niggas or what but just when Dame and Irv talks....its like they don't live in reality and they believe they are hotter than they really are. Steve Stout too.
That's what killed Murder Inc. How delusional they were. Ja probably should've jumped ship if this is the type of thoughts Irv was having. Maybe Irv is the one to blame for Ja's demise.
Naw man you tripping. Vol. 2 was dope man. Its not Jay at his finest but it was a solid commercial attempt.
I don't deny that X took off and they had records together but I wouldn't say he rode him or his wave. Jay and X both benefited from each other but not to the extent of each other riding them. Ruff Ryders and Rocafella needed each other because they all were skilled lyricists and dropping dope albums but they were sort of rapping on the different ends of the spectrum.
I've heard people say if BIG didn't die Jay wouldn't be where he was at today and that's actually a good argument. Its debatable and i'm not sure if I agree with it but its actually a decent argument. I don't see this about X and BIG though.
and DMX was the anti Jay/Big/Bad Boy
He wore a chain, an actual fucking chain
Right. I don't see it. X and Jay were good for each other because of opposite they were but I don't see how Jay rode him.
Third most popular? Okay I get X who is the other one? And X and Jay were on the same level. The whole Hard Knock Life Tour was promoted as being X and Jay's tour with Meth and Red on it and a few other guys at the time who were just getting on like Beans, Memphis, Ja, etc.
Dmx was def the man of the hr at that time esp after he dropped there was x and flesh of my flesh same yr.
Ruff ryder did not need roc a fella. They already had the cash money/ruff ryder tour
Eve was heating up & the lox had just got released, in house producer, dropping thier own compilations.
Roc a fella didnt need them either , but the relationship was def more valueable to j.
Not only because of x, but swizz. The roc at the time had a bunch of lames ducks as artiist,j was the only one really making any noise .
Dmx was the go to feature guy at the time
Btw i always thought that money cash hoes beat was trash
thats why i keep saying it is what it is. everybody has their strategy to get hot/ stay relevant. and if it worked for drake and his idol jay u cant be mad about it. there are no friends in this game. as a rapper you just have to work harder or find what works for you.
between 98-2001 no one was bigger than x. jay stayed relevant longer tho.
Til you go way to the left and do some shit like "sunshine" and even more fucked up fruity ass video.
I wasn't a fan of Big Pimpin,That song with Pharrel or H to the izzo.99 Problems is the last song I actually listen to and liked.That American Gangster/blue magic was bullshit.
Reasonable doubt/Blue Print....after that it's strictly beanie sigel and we done talking about Jay unless you talking about unless it's business.
Beans was a lame
Both Beans and Bleek were going gold
Swizz? They did less than five songs together.
Things changed for Rocafella when they stopped fucking with your Swizz, Neptunes and Timbaland's and got an in house team that included Just and Kanye.
Beans was a lame
Both Beans and Bleek were going gold
Swizz? They did less than five songs together.
Things changed for Rocafella when they stopped fucking with your Swizz, Neptunes and Timbaland's and got an in house team that included Just and Kanye.
Right. And them songs with Swizz....I hate his production. He dropped some classics with X but them whistles and bells and shit are annoying. People rewriting history. Ruff Ryders didn't do shit for Jay. Ruff Ryders benefited more off "Jigga My Nigga" than J did himself. He put that shit on the Ruff Ryders albums. How many Ruff Ryders songs did they give Rocafella or Jay?
Never heard of a UKG before big pimping
Hov put niggas on
Hov put niggas on
He was supposed to.
If people didn't then Gotti (or any other producer) wouldn't have been shit.
The biggest hit off that album came from 45 King who followed that up with Stan for Eminem.
I guess Em rode the 45 wave.
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If people didn't then Gotti (or any other producer) wouldn't have been shit.
The biggest hit off that album came from 45 King who followed that up with Stan for Eminem.
I guess Em rode the 45 wave.
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Jay being 45 or 46 may have something to do with it as well, ninjas getting old bruh!
Me too fam
Never heard of them niggas before big Pimpin
Thank Jay for making me a Ugk fan
and DMX was the anti Jay/Big/Bad Boy
He wore a chain, an actual fucking chain
Honestly you can say X stole Treach style but that's just how cats was giving it up at the time. Either you was rocking Versace and big willing it up or you was the Niggas in the overalls trying stick em
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