The Walking Dead: All Seasons (DON'T POST SPOILERS)

[Built4Life]

Exactly.


Fairly easy?! You buggin like shit.

Morgan watched his wife turn and die, watched his son die and turn. Lived in isolation. Looked down and boobie trapped an entire town killing all walkers and humans that entered. Then traveled the roads and wilderness alone. He has seen it fucking all.


Excellent thus far.

It is the fucking zombie apocalypse. Watching your son and wife die and turn is par for the course. All of them are suffering from pstd in one way or another, but Morgan's journey has been one of isolation. His faith in humanity is rooted in that. He hasn't seen the shit that the group experienced. He hasn't formed new bonds and alliances to continually run into a road block. This is basically his first real interaction with a group and in a community in some time. His pacifism is rooted in his experiences with Rick. It is like running into an old love and all you can see is what was and not what is.

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[dawilleyone]

Couple of things. Both Morgan and Carol have flaws in their methodologies.

We know Carol's motivation, She has no one to really live for besides herself and is determined to not be a victim any more. She's loyal to Team Rick but only as means to an end (her own survival). The problem is she making calls beyond her authority. Rick recognized this when he asked her to leave the prison, but since Rick has slid closer to her mindset now, he gonna overlook it. In some ways, Rick is taking his lead from Carol. She's been subtly working him toward overtaking Alexandria since they got there.

Sooner or later she's gonna make a call on something which Team Rick is not gonna stand by her on. There's a reason they showed that whole hospital scene. The intent was to show that "Some people" are worth making the attempt to save, even if the chance is low. Whereas Carol just snuffed that Alexandria kitchen club chick who had gotten stabbed with no hesitation. She's gonna do that on the wrong person someday.

Morgan clearly knows how to defend himself, he's not soft on zombies at all, but he takes chances with other survivors that seem illogical. We don't know his motivation. We know he was completely deranged at one point and he was able to come back from that and become even more capable at the same time. We don't know how yet. His grip on the world is tied to this "new code" he adheres to. I really look forward to learning how he got to this point.

The indefensible action that Morgan took last night was an attempt to take a hostage in the middle of the battle. Strategically, it was the right move because you need to find out where these people are coming from and what their motivation is. Tactically, its dumb to try to hogtie someone safely with a battle ranging around with you. The only reason I can think the writers did that was just to show how ruthless Carol was when she shot dude who was no longer a threat.

 

[dirtyd]

It is the fucking zombie apocalypse. Watching your son and wife die and turn is par for the course. All of them are suffering from pstd in one way or another, but Morgan's journey has been one of isolation. His faith in humanity is rooted in that. He hasn't seen the shit that the group experienced. He hasn't formed new bonds and alliances to continually run into a road block. This is basically his first real interaction with a group and in a community in some time. His pacifism is rooted in his experiences with Rick. It is like running into an old love and all you can see is what was and not what is.

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The writers have hinted that Morgan may have actually seen and experienced more than Rick's group has. Apparently that's going to be explored this season.

 

[dawilleyone]

The writers have hinted that Morgan may have actually seen and experienced more than Rick's group has. Apparently that's going to be explored this season.

Exactly, we should withhold judgement on Morgan until we learn what he's learned. He's survived unscathed with a stick, the same path that Team Rick and all their guns have taken L's for on a consistent basis.

 

[EPDC]

Exactly, we should withhold judgement on Morgan until we learn what he's learned. He's survived unscathed with a stick, the same path that Team Rick and all their guns have taken L's for on a consistent basis.

That's cool and all, but he was still trying to keep intruders who were hacking his new friends and neighbors to death, alive. FOH

 

[LegalMoney]

Dawillywone, bruh that was a Grade A post fam!

The scene at the end of the episode with Carol and Morgan both walking in two different directions on the same street was brimming with symbolism.

IMO the intent of that scene was to show despite two starkly distinct survival ideologies, literally at the end of the day they both led to the same road.

Being a ruthless pragmatic hasn't made survival any better for Carol and her group, and neither has being a strategic pacifist like Morgan. The world has gone to shit; kill or don't kill, either way JSS....Just Survive Somehow..

 

[dabushwackers]

I felt like Morgan knew who the invaders were,the fight scenes show a bit of interaction a lot of talking especially the dude he told about ppl having guns there and he should leave before he dies the dude seemed to know Morgan. What about the girl from the white ford explorer who wound up at Alexandra something is up with that as well

 

[D-TOWN REP]

That's cool and all, but he was still trying to keep intruders who were hacking his new friends and neighbors to death, alive. FOH

Exactly

 

[untouchable212]

Dawillywone, bruh that was a Grade A post fam!

The scene at the end of the episode with Carol and Morgan both walking in two different directions on the same street was brimming with symbolism.

IMO the intent of that scene was to show despite two starkly distinct survival ideologies, literally at the end of the day they both led to the same road.

Being a ruthless pragmatic hasn't made survival any better for Carol and her group, and neither has being a strategic pacifist like Morgan. The world has gone to shit; kill or don't kill, either way JSS....Just Survive Somehow..

yea bro good analysis as well.

 

[Rudey]

Morgan days are limited.

 

[pookie]

I Like this debate about last nights episode, i'm about to watch it again

 

[Jay_from_dade]

That's cool and all, but he was still trying to keep intruders who were hacking his new friends and neighbors to death, alive. FOH

Ok the more yall keep saying it, the more il-likely his staff would be set on "stun".

 

[lukas james]

A lot of people got wiped out in the compound.
I didn't even realize that many people were living there.

 

[DAHITMAN]

does anyone think morgan is the spy for the wolves???

 

[godofwine]

That's cool and all, but he was still trying to keep intruders who were hacking his new friends and neighbors to death, alive. FOH

Yes, I don't hold back 4 people with absolutely no sense of morality, especially during a time of war. These people came in with machetes and hacking people up... They got to go... All of them

Dawillywone, bruh that was a Grade A post fam!

The scene at the end of the episode with Carol and Morgan both walking in two different directions on the same street was brimming with symbolism.

IMO the intent of that scene was to show despite two starkly distinct survival ideologies, literally at the end of the day they both led to the same road.

Being a ruthless pragmatic hasn't made survival any better for Carol and her group, and neither has being a strategic pacifist like Morgan. The world has gone to shit; kill or don't kill, either way JSS....Just Survive Somehow..

Dawillyone, that was an amazing analysis. Extreme probs bro

 

[Built4Life]

does anyone think morgan is the spy for the wolves???

Nope...

I just think Morgan's approach is flawed for the situation.

 

[D'Evils]

does anyone think morgan is the spy for the wolves???

They did seem to know him

 

[superfusion]

does anyone think morgan is the spy for the wolves???

They did seem to know him

They tried to kill Morgan at the beginning of last year's season finale

 

[godofwine]

I Like this debate about last nights episode, i'm about to watch it again

I agree. I'm going to go home and watch it again tonight. Does anybody know what the point of the girl in the beginning, JSS? She didn't have to do Donatello like that and spell letters with his bones. That was just morbid.

 

[crossovernegro]

Not sure if you saw the note she left Carl at the end.. "Just Survive Somehow". Don't know if they'll go more into her story in the future though.

I agree. I'm going to go home and watch it again tonight. Does anybody know what the point of the girl in the beginning, JSS? She didn't have to do Donatello like that and spell letters with his bones. That was just morbid.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

A lot of people got wiped out in the compound.
I didn't even realize that many people were living there.

Yeah but they can really get their dead weight ass outta here anyway

They won't be missed

 

[unknownsoldier]

Morgan was in town yesterday, hate I missed him over the weekend at ComicCon.

This season has made up for the slow shit we've seen the past couple of seasons, they said each episode is like a season finale this year...they haven't disappointed!!

This shit is insane! Carol is a beast, Morgan has definitely changed...we need to see his story to better understand it. I think a piece of us were all hoping for the buddy-buddy relationship to still be there, but it's good we're getting this. They've experienced so much since the last split, they're getting to know each other all over again as they said. I hope he sticks around.

 

[unknownsoldier]

Yeah but they can really get their dead weight ass outta here anyway

They won't be missed

Niggas was getting bodied left & right

 

[D'Evils]

They tried to kill Morgan at the beginning of last year's season finale

Ok and this fool still trying to save them.

 

[crossovernegro]

I don't mind Morgan being the way is right now... to a point. Hopefully letting that gun get out won't come back to bite him/them, and hopefully his "All lives matter lol" philosophy doesn't end up making him Tyrese II.

I want at least one black, male character to be on Rick's level in terms of usefulness and necessity to the group (or at least right hand man level). So far we had T-Dog, Preacher, Tyrese, Bob and Noah. Aside from Preacher, all were likeable, but none have been allowed to be completely kick ass, take no prisoners. Morgan obviously has the ability, and as some have said, his story goes deeper and they should/probably will go into why his mindset is the way it is these days. The way the writer's have handled black dudes so far though just has me worried about whether or not they'll do him justice before he exits (whenever that may be).

 

[D-TOWN REP]

Niggas was getting bodied left & right

Not even putting up a fight

Pleading for their lives and shit

Hiding and shit

Getem the fuck outta here

 

[unknownsoldier]

Not even putting up a fight

Pleading for the lives and shit

Hiding and shit

Getem the fuck outta here

I aint eeen know it was that many people there, shit I see why Carol wanted to take over their shit. The way her son punked out

 

[Jay_from_dade]

Not sure if you saw the note she left Carl at the end.. "Just Survive Somehow". Don't know if they'll go more into her story in the future though.

She writes or makes JSS when she has to do something to survive to remind herself why she is doing it.

Had to eat the turtle, felt a little bad "JSS"

Had to kill that walker to get in the car, felt a little bad "JSS"

Left carl, felt bad "Jss"

Its a coping mechanism for justification.

 

[Coldchi]

Rick and nem outta just boot everybody out of the compound.
them niggaz cant fight worth shit anyway. ole scary mufuckas.

 

[veritech]

I want at least one black, male character to be on Rick's level in terms of usefulness and necessity to the group (or at least right hand man level).

dude in the suit on the fear the walking dead is as close as they have come.

 

[Jay_from_dade]

I want at least one black, male character to be on Rick's level in terms of usefulness and necessity to the group (or at least right hand man level). .

You have a show created by and written by white people. We lucky we get as many black characters as we do.

Boyce Watkins, me , and alot of other people always say, only way is to write for ourselves. You cant always count on white hollywood to represent you how you would like to be represented.

 

[SamSneed]

Not even putting up a fight

Pleading for their lives and shit

Hiding and shit

Getem the fuck outta here

My nigga

 

[DAHITMAN]

They tried to kill Morgan at the beginning of last year's season finale

ok i forgot about that thanks

 

[lukas james]

 

[dawilleyone]

Like I said in my original post. the whole "tie a dude up while mass killing are still going on" doesn't make much sense even if he's on some zen shit so I have to assume the writers had an ulterior motive for that.

I'll have to go back and watch those episodes he was in last season and see if I can pick up some hints about what it is exactly Morgan's trying to accomplish.

The show has taught us that making misjudgements about people almost always comes back to bite you (literally), but you also see a case where Glen has allowed the one cowardly dude from Alexandria to live despite trying to kill him and repeated fuckups out on runs. It paid off for him in the last episode.

Definitely some heavy themes around redemption and forgiveness this season.