Denzel Washington Fought To Change The Ending Of Training Day

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Detective Alonzo Harris is one of the greatest villains in cinema history, and the events of Antoine Fuqua’s <a href="http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Training-Day-May-Get-Its-Own-TV-Series-Get-Details-77047.html"><i>Training Day</i></a> do nothing to redeem him in the slightest. A corrupt cop who tries to impart his dirty ways on his new and impressionable partner, he winds up on the wrong side of the Russian Mafia. Until now, there's only way we ever thought that the story would end, but recent comments from <a href="http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Denzel-Washington-Black-Panther-Here-What-He-Told-Us-67086.html">Denzel Washington</a> have shown that this wasn’t always the case.
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<b>Naturally, this story will get into massive spoilers for <i>Training Day</i>. You have been warned.</b><br><br>
<a href="http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/denzel-washington-talks-training-days-824644">The Hollywood Reporter</a> recently covered an event where Washington was on stage talking about the various accomplishments of his career. Which means those who were attending were treated to some wonderful pieces of trivia involving some of his biggest roles, one of which was his Academy Award-winning performance as Harris. As it turns out, the big surprise involving his first collaboration with director Antoine Fuqua was that it ended a much different way on the page. Washington briefly recalled his creative input, as follows:
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In the original script he [lived], but I was not having it.
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Before we evaluate how this ending could have changed everything that <i>Training Day</i> stood for, let’s go back and pretend that we’ve just seen the film. To do that, we’ll provide you with the <a href="http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Olivia-Munn-Dubsmashing-Her-Favorite-Movie-Scenes-Weird-Mesmerizing-78777.html">best damned scene</a> from the whole film, embedded below.
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Now imagine you’ve just finished that scene, and imagine working your way to the ending, only to find that Alonzo Harris skated away from any sort of consequences. You could imagine that the audience would be fed up with the film, considering all of the nasty stuff Harris got away with. After a career of being on the take, pissing off the Russian Mafia, and then putting Ethan Hawke’s Officer Jake Hoyt through Hell during their rounds on the day we follow them throughout the film, Harris’ escape in the original script would have pissed any good audience member off.
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Perhaps <a href="http://www.cinemablend.com/new/How-Racism-Affecting-Denzel-Washington-Career-According-Sony-Emails-68747.html">Denzel Washington</a> realized what the audience would have thought of such an ending, and made the suggestion that this wasn’t the way to go. An actor of Washington’s talent knows how to read an audience before they even put one frame to celluloid, and he obviously knew that the original ending to <i>Training Day</i> had "rage quit" written all over it. If the film were focused on Harris’ character as the protagonist, that ending might have worked, as we would have either been rooting for him as an anti-heroic character, or we would have been made to realize that justice is sometimes never served.
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However, we’re focused on Jake, and with Jake’s story in focus, the film has to end with Harris’ death. The tone shifts with this focus, as Harris’ death ultimately redeems Jake’s decision to walk away from Harris, allowing him to be at the mercy of the gang members holding him up. Either way, you could argue which ending <i>Training Day</i> benefits from more, but in the case of the film we saw on the screen, that decision was made by Denzel Washington and Antoine Fuqua. That decision cemented the film’s success, as well as the <a href="http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Equalizer-2-Probably-Happening-71066.html">continued partnership</a> we’ve seen them nurture over the past 14 years. A partnership that we’ll see on display once again when <a href="http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Training-Day-Antoine-Fuqua-Offered-Direct-Magnificent-Seven-Narco-Sub-Equalizer-2-43210.html"><i>The Magnificent Seven</i></a> opens on September 23, 2016.
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Interesting.
Can't say that I would've been disappointed with that ending...

I was light weight rooting for the bad guy here
 
while yes I can see Denzel's reasoning

I loved how much of a greaseball he was in that film and was kinda pulling for him
 
I could have SWORN They showed the alternate ending on the DVD...

where he lived.

the 3 wise men ending?
 
Yeah whoever wrote this is full of shit. The audience member loves the antihero and loves to see the bad guy win. No one would've tripped on that ending but I have no problem how it did end.
 
I could have SWORN They showed the alternate ending on the DVD...

where he lived.

the 3 wise men ending?

Na, that was Ethan returning home in da end...before he goes in his crib the 3 Wise Men are waiting for him & they chat...
 
The reason he wanted it changed because he is religious, and it was a moral issue for him. It could have easily worked and been better if he got away.
 
Powerful scene....they should have kept it in.

* two cents *

I don't think this should have stayed. It humanizes the character and that's not what you want with a real villain in a movie like this.

The reason he wanted it changed because he is religious, and it was a moral issue for him. It could have easily worked and been better if he got away.

Naw. It was perfect the way it ended.
 
They kept the right ending. Karma coming full circle for Alonzo. If he lived, the movie wouldn't have made any sense.

It would've meant "bad guy does what he wants carte Blanche with no repercussions"? Nah. They made the right choice in the end.
 
They kept the right ending. Karma coming full circle for Alonzo. If he lived, the movie wouldn't have made any sense.

It would've meant "bad guy does what he wants carte Blanche with no repercussions"? Nah. They made the right choice in the end.

You are being a moralist and very simplistic in your thinking. The "bad' guy can get away, and in a lot of movies they take the short cut and kill or jail the bad guy when there is no reason for most of the film that would lead to the bad guy getting caught.

That is not saying that I didn't enjoy the film, but in that scenario he doesn't have to be killed or could have gotten away.
 
You are being a moralist and very simplistic in your thinking. The "bad' guy can get away, and in a lot of movies they take the short cut and kill or jail the bad guy when there is no reason for most of the film that would lead to the bad guy getting caught.

That is not saying that I didn't enjoy the film, but in that scenario he doesn't have to be killed or could have gotten away.

In context of the movie, it would've made no sense. Jake kept good karma by stopping the girl getting raped, which eventually led to the Mexican gangsters not killing him the bathtub.

Alonzo had already fucked over so many people that it was going to catch up with him. No one liked him, no one respected him. If he had lived, the whole movie wouldn't have made any sense.
 
The "bad' guy can get away, .

I'm not even being the moralist. I don't mind the bad guy getting away. I just think in this case specifically, the ending was so good and brought so much resolution to the movie that any change just isn't necessary.
 
My issue is Denzel damn near ALWAYS played that morally conflicted character who gets killed at the end.

I expect him to die in damn near every movie he is in.

I don;t mind the bad guy getting away at the end or a more ambiguous ending.
 
Interesting.
Can't say that I would've been disappointed with that ending...

I was light weight rooting for the bad guy here

Indeed.

You are being a moralist and very simplistic in your thinking. The "bad' guy can get away, and in a lot of movies they take the short cut and kill or jail the bad guy when there is no reason for most of the film that would lead to the bad guy getting caught.

That is not saying that I didn't enjoy the film, but in that scenario he doesn't have to be killed or could have gotten away.

And that's what they were looking to do. It would've possed the audience off but realize that sometime justice isnt served and the bad guy gets away.
 
They kept the right ending. Karma coming full circle for Alonzo. If he lived, the movie wouldn't have made any sense.

It would've meant "bad guy does what he wants carte Blanche with no repercussions"? Nah. They made the right choice in the end.

You are being a moralist and very simplistic in your thinking. The "bad' guy can get away, and in a lot of movies they take the short cut and kill or jail the bad guy when there is no reason for most of the film that would lead to the bad guy getting caught.

That is not saying that I didn't enjoy the film, but in that scenario he doesn't have to be killed or could have gotten away.

He's not being a moralist its standard hollywood western hemisphere story telling. THE BAD GUYS LOSES IN THE END.. The person who is responsible for the most harm must pay. SUBCONSCIOUSLY audiences are more satisfied with those kinds of ending rather than the bad guy winning. Good must always triumph over evil in the end.

Denzel was just relying on old school hollywood storytelling tactics with that.

Now in Eastern hemisphere storytelling the bad guy can win and often does live or not pay the price of his or her evil deeds but most often even if the good guy wins its at such a cost that its Pyrrhic victory.

Japanese and Hong Kong cinema are good for that.. in fact personally the first time I ever say a story where the bad guy either got away for the good guy lost some much in fighting that it was wash was in hong kong flicks.
 
I never understood how he got away from the gang members in the projects, unless it's because they were afraid of killing a cop.
 
He's not being a moralist its standard hollywood western hemisphere story telling. THE BAD GUYS LOSES IN THE END.. The person who is responsible for the most harm must pay. SUBCONSCIOUSLY audiences are more satisfied with those kinds of ending rather than the bad guy winning. Good must always triumph over evil in the end.

Denzel was just relying on old school hollywood storytelling tactics with that.

Now in Eastern hemisphere storytelling the bad guy can win and often does live or not pay the price of his or her evil deeds but most often even if the good guy wins its at such a cost that its Pyrrhic victory.

Japanese and Hong Kong cinema are good for that.. in fact personally the first time I ever say a story where the bad guy either got away for the good guy lost some much in fighting that it was wash was in hong kong flicks.
I saw an interview where he stated that his reasoning was due to his religious beliefs..

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You are being a moralist and very simplistic in your thinking. The "bad' guy can get away, and in a lot of movies they take the short cut and kill or jail the bad guy when there is no reason for most of the film that would lead to the bad guy getting caught.

That is not saying that I didn't enjoy the film, but in that scenario he doesn't have to be killed or could have gotten away.

:yes:

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Yeah whoever wrote this is full of shit. The audience member loves the antihero and loves to see the bad guy win. No one would've tripped on that ending but I have no problem how it did end.

Yeah. I wouldn't have been mad had he lived. It's what happens, and far too often
 
I never understood how he got away from the gang members in the projects, unless it's because they were afraid of killing a cop.

You must've been on a phone call or something during that scene bruh, earlier in the movie he saved one of the gang members' neice from getting raped. And long story short, the gangster figures out he helped her and lets him off the hook.

Oh my bad i jsut realized you were talking about denzels character, yea ur right prob cuz he was a cop, they were just trying to stall him.
 
I was just watching the doc "bastards of the party" and they talked about the negative effect the black movies of the 70's has on the community. There are a whole lot of people in jail who thought getting away with a crime was as easy as it is in the movies.:smh:
 
It would've been better for Alonzo to live because the reality of life is that police departments are full of brilliant corrupt Alonzos in a corrupt police department

Jake woulda got murked in real life. Probably at the scene when he broke into that dudes house and didn't accept the dirty money.
 
It would've been better for Alonzo to live because the reality of life is that police departments are full of brilliant corrupt Alonzos in a corrupt police department

Jake woulda got murked in real life. Probably at the scene when he broke into that dudes house and didn't accept the dirty money.

Bizkits dropping knowledge
 
They kept the right ending. Karma coming full circle for Alonzo. If he lived, the movie wouldn't have made any sense.

It would've meant "bad guy does what he wants carte Blanche with no repercussions"? Nah. They made the right choice in the end.



Bro it's a black guy we are dealing with.

he has to die in the movie


white villians live



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