c\sBro it's a black guy we are dealing with.
he has to die in the movie
white villians live
Denzel Washington Fought To Change The Ending Of Training Day
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i bet y'all wanted scarface to live too!
Getting killed in the end made sense for the movie because it was about reaping what you sow. that was the message, and that eventually the streets would eat you alive. Keep in mind the movie is based off Jake's perspective of this criminal world.
Now if it was Alonzo from the jump, showing his family, and wanting to really get out of trouble with the Russians, then you have a different perspective.
Getting killed in the end made sense for the movie because it was about reaping what you sow. that was the message, and that eventually the streets would eat you alive. Keep in mind the movie is based off Jake's perspective of this criminal world.
Now if it was Alonzo from the jump, showing his family, and wanting to really get out of trouble with the Russians, then you have a different perspective.
I want to see how Alonzo got to that point. So Denzel should make the precursor to Training Day. Let us see who corrupted him.
you mean his son could do it...denzel is in his 60s and training day was over 10 years ago.
a true hardcore ending would've been the cac comin home and denzel would've been sitting down with a shotgun on his lap holding dudes baby and his wife sitting in another chair looking shook..than denzel looks at ethan and goes "where's my motherfucking money"..than it goes to black
thats the korean version
Interesting
good idea
EVERYTHING NOT QUITE RIGHT WITH TRAINING DAY
By the time hoyt makes it back to alonzos side chick's place she's naked on the bed and he's counting the money so either he fucked her or was going to fuck her in any case..WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T HE JUST TAKE IT TO THE RUSSIAN MOB AND PAY OFF HIS DEBT?
Alonzo Harris: S.I.S. Detective. Give me 18 months, I'll give you a career. We're an elite unit. We make the big seizures. We make the big arrests. But if you're in my unit, you gotta be in it all the way or not at all. I thought that you was man enough to face that. I guess I was wrong. Five proven, decorated officers say that you're the shooter. The investigators are gonna want to pull a tube of your blood to check for intoxicants, and what are they gonna find, Jake? Do the math.
You've been smoking PCP all day, haven't you?
Jake: You've been planning this all day?
Alonzo Harris: I've been planning this all week, son. You talk that crazy shit, I'll make sure that blood gets to the lab. You wanna walk your baby nuts around the block, you won't make it to the corner, but if you're cool, *if* you're cool... then you're a hero. You're a virgin shooter above suspicion.
why bring hoyt in on the drug dealer killing when they set it up to look like the dealer fired on one of them anyway. A cop getting shot by a known drug dealer who gets killed is an automatic walk even for dirty police.
after doing all that work to set him up as the hero cop who shot a drug dealer during a bust..alonzo then sets hoyt up to get killed by 3 mexican gangbangers...how was alonzo going to explain that???
theres a reason ONLY denzel won an oscar for that flick not the flick itself..
speaking of which
was julia roberts just alittle too fuckin happy and touchy feely that night???
By the time hoyt makes it back to alonzos side chick's place she's naked on the bed and he's counting the money so either he fucked her or was going to fuck her in any case..WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T HE JUST TAKE IT TO THE RUSSIAN MOB AND PAY OFF HIS DEBT?
Alonzo Harris: S.I.S. Detective. Give me 18 months, I'll give you a career. We're an elite unit. We make the big seizures. We make the big arrests. But if you're in my unit, you gotta be in it all the way or not at all. I thought that you was man enough to face that. I guess I was wrong. Five proven, decorated officers say that you're the shooter. The investigators are gonna want to pull a tube of your blood to check for intoxicants, and what are they gonna find, Jake? Do the math.
You've been smoking PCP all day, haven't you?
Jake: You've been planning this all day?
Alonzo Harris: I've been planning this all week, son. You talk that crazy shit, I'll make sure that blood gets to the lab. You wanna walk your baby nuts around the block, you won't make it to the corner, but if you're cool, *if* you're cool... then you're a hero. You're a virgin shooter above suspicion.
why bring hoyt in on the drug dealer killing when they set it up to look like the dealer fired on one of them anyway. A cop getting shot by a known drug dealer who gets killed is an automatic walk even for dirty police.
after doing all that work to set him up as the hero cop who shot a drug dealer during a bust..alonzo then sets hoyt up to get killed by 3 mexican gangbangers...how was alonzo going to explain that???
theres a reason ONLY denzel won an oscar for that flick not the flick itself..
speaking of which
was julia roberts just alittle too fuckin happy and touchy feely that night???
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i would have been happy with Denzel walking away after the other cop rats him out and gets him kicked off the force. A few favors later he shows up as a drunk black ops agent in some foreign country... setting up 'The Equalizer' as the sequel to 'Training Day'. I'm not sure which medium they will use to fill in the gap - 15 minute short tacked onto the end of a DVD release, cross promotion cameo in another movie/tv show or dropping hints in post Oscar interviews throughout the years leading up to the Equalizer where it all comes together.
I like the connection but the training and discipline he shows in the equalizer suggests something thats more ingrained, OCD even than anything alonzo exhibited in training day.
He played a Arab terrorist in that Movie Collateral
EVERYTHING NOT QUITE RIGHT WITH TRAINING DAY
By the time hoyt makes it back to alonzos side chick's place she's naked on the bed and he's counting the money so either he fucked her or was going to fuck her in any case..WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T HE JUST TAKE IT TO THE RUSSIAN MOB AND PAY OFF HIS DEBT?
Alonzo Harris: S.I.S. Detective. Give me 18 months, I'll give you a career. We're an elite unit. We make the big seizures. We make the big arrests. But if you're in my unit, you gotta be in it all the way or not at all. I thought that you was man enough to face that. I guess I was wrong. Five proven, decorated officers say that you're the shooter. The investigators are gonna want to pull a tube of your blood to check for intoxicants, and what are they gonna find, Jake? Do the math.
You've been smoking PCP all day, haven't you?
Jake: You've been planning this all day?
Alonzo Harris: I've been planning this all week, son. You talk that crazy shit, I'll make sure that blood gets to the lab. You wanna walk your baby nuts around the block, you won't make it to the corner, but if you're cool, *if* you're cool... then you're a hero. You're a virgin shooter above suspicion.
why bring hoyt in on the drug dealer killing when they set it up to look like the dealer fired on one of them anyway. A cop getting shot by a known drug dealer who gets killed is an automatic walk even for dirty police.
after doing all that work to set him up as the hero cop who shot a drug dealer during a bust..alonzo then sets hoyt up to get killed by 3 mexican gangbangers...how was alonzo going to explain that???
theres a reason ONLY denzel won an oscar for that flick not the flick itself..
speaking of which
was julia roberts just alittle too fuckin happy and touchy feely that night???
I remember that !!! Black women were talking about that for WEEKS!
them dudes had that slowhands cup of coffee kinda convo.."u ever had ur shit pushed in"
ALL VALID POINTS! YES!
One particular genius move for a film is where the bad guy manipulates everything into his plan for it to work and even when it goes wrong - he STILL comes out on top.
My favorite film for doing that shit was SE7EN.
They never even had Kevin Spacey's name on the poster, not in the credits, nor was he listed anywhere with this story so when he shows up near the end, that moment was like Oh shit - it's him! Then at the end. BLAM BLAM BLAM - SEVEN FUCKING TIMES. Whole theatre screamed when Brad Pitt started blasting that dude.
Training Day could've went that route too if Jake shot Alonzo to death but no... Jake was replacing Alonzo. He will, one day, be the rough rider on those blocks. His clout with the hood is sealed. But he needed to walk away and stay the clean guy. The Russians were a perfect foil for Alonzo - and we never even seen them - not until the end - and they came outta nowhere. Pus the whole film into a new perspective - the enforcer was probably watching Alonzo all day - the triggermen could've been anywhere or they were around the whole time and seen everything that went down.
If Alonzo would've lived it would've fucked the movie up - that might be a cop out for a bad screenplay too. When they cant get a good ending - they pick one the audience thinks they want but that aint it. Its like, I remember all the folks in the crowd waiting for his redemption moment. All the older folks, white folks too - they were sitting there waiting for the scene that showed he was actually the good guy - and when he died in that blaze of gunfire - the crowd was rocked silent... brilliant.
We just watched Denzel - PLAY A BAD GUY onscreen and die! That was the first and last time that EVER happened on film and the film is better for it.
MAN - YOU KNOW YOUR SHIT SON!
ONE OF MY TOP FIVE FAVORITE OF ALL TIMES...
oNE
to add on
the best villains forge greater heros - a villain that is so resourceful that he not only avoids death and capture- a survivor... he suffers a loss at the hero's hands but is still around still doing business... They fucked up Kingpin in the Daredevil series by not seeing that - but anyway they wouldn't want to give a black villain the power you see at the end of LA Confidential
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denzel_Washington_on_screen_and_stage#Film
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Denzel_Washington
Film
Title Year Role Director(s) Notes Ref.
Carbon Copy 1981 Roger Porter Michael Schultz
[22]
A Soldier's Story 1984 Private First Class Melvin Peterson Norman Jewison
[23]
Power 1986 Arnold Billings Sidney Lumet
[24]
Cry Freedom 1987 Steve Biko Richard Attenborough
[25]
For Queen and Country 1988 Reuben James Martin Stellman
[26]
The Mighty Quinn 1989 Xavier Quinn Carl Schenkel
[27]
Glory 1989 Trip Edward Zwick
[24]
Heart Condition 1990 Napoleon Stone James D. Parriott
[28]
Mo' Better Blues 1990 Bleek Gilliam Spike Lee
[29]
Mississippi Masala 1991 Demetrius Williams Mira Nair
[30]
Ricochet 1991 Nick Styles Russell Mulcahy
[31]
Malcolm X 1992 Malcolm X Spike Lee
[24]
Liberators: Fighting on Two Fronts in World War II 1992 Narrator Bill Miles
[32]
Much Ado About Nothing 1993 Don Pedro of Aragon Kenneth Branagh
[33]
The Pelican Brief 1993 Gray Grantham Alan J. Pakula
[34]
Philadelphia 1993 Joe Miller Jonathan Demme
[35]
Crimson Tide 1995 Lt. Commander Ron Hunter Tony Scott
[36]
Virtuosity 1995 Lt. Parker Barnes Brett Leonard
[24]
Devil in a Blue Dress 1995 Easy Rawlins Carl Franklin
[24]
Courage Under Fire 1996 Lt. Colonel Nathaniel Serling Edward Zwick
[24]
The Preacher's Wife 1996 Dudley Penny Marshall
[37]
Fallen 1998 Detective John Hobbes Gregory Hoblit
[38]
He Got Game 1998 Jake Shuttlesworth Spike Lee
[24]
The Siege 1998 Anthony Hubbard Edward Zwick
[24]
The Bone Collector 1999 Lincoln Rhyme Philip Noyce
[24]
The Hurricane 1999 Rubin Carter Norman Jewison
[10]
Remember the Titans 2000 Herman Boone Boaz Yakin
[11]
Training Day 2001 Detective Alonzo Harris Antoine Fuqua
[24]
John Q. 2002 John Q. Archibald Nick Cassavetes
[39]
Antwone Fisher 2002 Dr. Jerome Davenport Himself Also producer [40]
Out of Time 2003 Matt Lee Whitlock Carl Franklin
[41]
Man on Fire 2004 John W. Creasy Tony Scott
[42]
The Manchurian Candidate 2004 Maj. Ben Marco Jonathan Demme
[43]
Inside Man 2006 Keith Frazier Spike Lee
[44]
Déjà Vu 2006 Doug Carlin Tony Scott
[45]
American Gangster 2007 Frank Lucas Ridley Scott
[24]
The Great Debaters 2007 Melvin B. Tolson Himself
[24]
The Taking of Pelham 123 2009 Walter Garber Tony Scott
[24]
The Book of Eli 2010 Eli Hughes brothers Also producer [46]
Unstoppable 2010 Frank Barnes Tony Scott
[47]
Safe House 2012 Tobin Frost Daniel Espinosa
[48]
Flight 2012 William "Whip" Whitaker Sr. Robert Zemeckis
[49]
2 Guns 2013 Robert "Bobby" Trench Baltasar Kormákur
[24]
The Equalizer 2014 Robert McCall Antoine Fuqua Adaptation of television series The Equalizer [50]
The Magnificent Seven 2016 TBA Antoine Fuqua Filming [51]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Denzel_Washington
Film
Title Year Role Director(s) Notes Ref.
Carbon Copy 1981 Roger Porter Michael Schultz
[22]
A Soldier's Story 1984 Private First Class Melvin Peterson Norman Jewison
[23]
Power 1986 Arnold Billings Sidney Lumet
[24]
Cry Freedom 1987 Steve Biko Richard Attenborough
[25]
For Queen and Country 1988 Reuben James Martin Stellman
[26]
The Mighty Quinn 1989 Xavier Quinn Carl Schenkel
[27]
Glory 1989 Trip Edward Zwick
[24]
Heart Condition 1990 Napoleon Stone James D. Parriott
[28]
Mo' Better Blues 1990 Bleek Gilliam Spike Lee
[29]
Mississippi Masala 1991 Demetrius Williams Mira Nair
[30]
Ricochet 1991 Nick Styles Russell Mulcahy
[31]
Malcolm X 1992 Malcolm X Spike Lee
[24]
Liberators: Fighting on Two Fronts in World War II 1992 Narrator Bill Miles
[32]
Much Ado About Nothing 1993 Don Pedro of Aragon Kenneth Branagh
[33]
The Pelican Brief 1993 Gray Grantham Alan J. Pakula
[34]
Philadelphia 1993 Joe Miller Jonathan Demme
[35]
Crimson Tide 1995 Lt. Commander Ron Hunter Tony Scott
[36]
Virtuosity 1995 Lt. Parker Barnes Brett Leonard
[24]
Devil in a Blue Dress 1995 Easy Rawlins Carl Franklin
[24]
Courage Under Fire 1996 Lt. Colonel Nathaniel Serling Edward Zwick
[24]
The Preacher's Wife 1996 Dudley Penny Marshall
[37]
Fallen 1998 Detective John Hobbes Gregory Hoblit
[38]
He Got Game 1998 Jake Shuttlesworth Spike Lee
[24]
The Siege 1998 Anthony Hubbard Edward Zwick
[24]
The Bone Collector 1999 Lincoln Rhyme Philip Noyce
[24]
The Hurricane 1999 Rubin Carter Norman Jewison
[10]
Remember the Titans 2000 Herman Boone Boaz Yakin
[11]
Training Day 2001 Detective Alonzo Harris Antoine Fuqua
[24]
John Q. 2002 John Q. Archibald Nick Cassavetes
[39]
Antwone Fisher 2002 Dr. Jerome Davenport Himself Also producer [40]
Out of Time 2003 Matt Lee Whitlock Carl Franklin
[41]
Man on Fire 2004 John W. Creasy Tony Scott
[42]
The Manchurian Candidate 2004 Maj. Ben Marco Jonathan Demme
[43]
Inside Man 2006 Keith Frazier Spike Lee
[44]
Déjà Vu 2006 Doug Carlin Tony Scott
[45]
American Gangster 2007 Frank Lucas Ridley Scott
[24]
The Great Debaters 2007 Melvin B. Tolson Himself
[24]
The Taking of Pelham 123 2009 Walter Garber Tony Scott
[24]
The Book of Eli 2010 Eli Hughes brothers Also producer [46]
Unstoppable 2010 Frank Barnes Tony Scott
[47]
Safe House 2012 Tobin Frost Daniel Espinosa
[48]
Flight 2012 William "Whip" Whitaker Sr. Robert Zemeckis
[49]
2 Guns 2013 Robert "Bobby" Trench Baltasar Kormákur
[24]
The Equalizer 2014 Robert McCall Antoine Fuqua Adaptation of television series The Equalizer [50]
The Magnificent Seven 2016 TBA Antoine Fuqua Filming [51]
That movie was very interesting. I saw it different than other people. He was trying to show the rookie what was really going on and the rookie act like he could not catch on. And that is how life really is what he was trying to show him. It takes a wolf to protect the sheep. A sheep itself cannot protect other sheep. The rookie was playing checkers. While Alonzo was trying to show him how to play chess. But Alonzo used to be just like that rookie, all green and dumb to what was really going on.
But for the black community to let that white dude walk up out of that place with a million in cold cash was out of the question. Like none of them could use the money. And Alonzo tried over and over to get him to change his job because he was not cut out for what was really going on. And at the time he just could not hold his hand. Eventually he was going to get Alonzo killed. Alonzo knew this and had no choice but to get him out of what he was getting to deep in. And at the time what he did with the contract was the only way.
It took him 10 years to get rid of Roger. He played the game and he finally got rid of him. For a black man or anybody that is still human it is a dog eat dog world. And I would hate to be in the dog belly trying to look out. Why you think nobody has been able to change things yet????? There have been people on jobs of various levels come to their boss with corruption going on and they get fired or killed for doing what they thought was right. The rookie had one day to show Alonzo what he was made off. It was not detective.
But for the black community to let that white dude walk up out of that place with a million in cold cash was out of the question. Like none of them could use the money. And Alonzo tried over and over to get him to change his job because he was not cut out for what was really going on. And at the time he just could not hold his hand. Eventually he was going to get Alonzo killed. Alonzo knew this and had no choice but to get him out of what he was getting to deep in. And at the time what he did with the contract was the only way.
It took him 10 years to get rid of Roger. He played the game and he finally got rid of him. For a black man or anybody that is still human it is a dog eat dog world. And I would hate to be in the dog belly trying to look out. Why you think nobody has been able to change things yet????? There have been people on jobs of various levels come to their boss with corruption going on and they get fired or killed for doing what they thought was right. The rookie had one day to show Alonzo what he was made off. It was not detective.
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