*** the official 2014-15 nba finals thread ***

Wilt is going to go for 30 and 13 in any era, but you know they didn't play defense when he did that shit. Those were glorified all-star games man(been watching clips of those old games).

They up 18 hours a day running computer simulations trying to stop Lebron. :smh:

Got another stat for us to examine...



LeBron had 23 drives in Game 3. For context, that's about double the average of this season's leader (Tyreke, 11.90)
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Lebron's drive chart from Game 3
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I don't know what they can do to force the Cavs to play fast...

Trapping Lebron is always the easy/ first answer but do you really want those corner 3's



GSW might have to go with there's fastest/defensive lineup to push the tempo, of trapping but running on offensive.

They can trap, but I'd order the ball to keep swinging around. Pass those open 3's early in the shot clock up. Imagine the surprise if the Cavs insist on working the clock down at the expense of the early open 3s. Only take inside looks.

GS is going to be wasting energy on the defensive end running around while the ball simply moves. Work that ball around and those doubles will start coming slower...and slower...and slower....

Under no circumstances should a fast pace be engaged in. And we all know JR doesn't like open shots. He needs someone in his jersey in order to make his 3s.
 
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LeBron had 23 drives in Game 3. For context, that's about double the average of this season's leader (Tyreke, 11.90)
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That's the shit I was loving at the press conference last night. He knows that he should be owning the inside. Better an inside miss than an outside miss and a long rebound. :yes: :yes:
 
Curry Struggles with Dellavedova's Defense
Just like in Game 2, Dellavedova continued to cause problems for Steph Curry, as Curry made only 3 of his 9 field goal attempts in their matchup. Curry was able to take advantage of mismatches with Tristan Thompson, as he made 7 of 9 field goals when Thompson was switched onto him.


vs. Dellavedova vs. Thompson
Time 6:42 - 1:29
FG% 3-9 (33%) - 7-9 (78%)
3P% 3-6 (50%) 4-5 (80%)
eFG% 50% 100%
Drives 3 1
Drive Points 0. 2
Points 9 18
 
They can trap, but I'd order the ball to keep swinging around. Pass those open 3's early in the shot clock up. Imagine the surprise if the Cavs insist on working the clock down at the expense of the early open 3s. Only take inside looks.

GS is going to be wasting energy on the defensive end running around while the ball simply moves. Work that ball around and those doubles will start coming slower...and slower...and slower....

Under no circumstances should a fast pace be engaged in. And we all know JR doesn't like open shots. He needs someone in his jersey in order to make his 3s.

Yea they would go to trapping but should install a layup/dunk rule...instead of corner three drive for layup, if you don't you're getting subbed next dead ball.

I don't care if it's K Perkins outside bitch attack the land...bug in the real this where some body like Miller and Harris could be useful with their non pressure ball handling skills.
 
They can trap, but I'd order the ball to keep swinging around. Pass those open 3's early in the shot clock up. Imagine the surprise if the Cavs insist on working the clock down at the expense of the early open 3s. Only take inside looks.

GS is going to be wasting energy on the defensive end running around while the ball simply moves. Work that ball around and those doubles will start coming slower...and slower...and slower....

Under no circumstances should a fast pace be engaged in. And we all know JR doesn't like open shots. He needs someone in his jersey in order to make his 3s.

One more thing...


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.@cavs are shooting 49.3% off passes from LeBron. Those same teammates have shot 30% on all other shots #NBAFinals


https://mobile.twitter.com/nbastats/status/608719767051071491/video/1
 
I expect more if Speights and Lee, but this will damper you defensive tremendously

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D-Lee’s 4 FGs were the most he's made in a game since Mar.31. #GSW was a +17 with him on the floor (v. -22 when off)


8h8 hours ago
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#GSW struggled on ball screens in Game 3 (just 0.85 points per possessions). However, on D-Lee ball screens, they averaged 1.54 PPP
 
Got another stat for us to examine...



LeBron had 23 drives in Game 3. For context, that's about double the average of this season's leader (Tyreke, 11.90)
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Lebron's drive chart from Game 3
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That's how you get to the mufucking free throw line
 
In the NBA Finals Lineup Lab

Posted by Seth PartnowDate: June 11, 2015in: Coaching Breakdowns

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Something needs to change for the Golden State Warriors. Far from the confident bunch that entered the NBA Finals, the third quarter of game three saw some heads hanging, some shoulders slumped. And while (another) fourth quarter barrage made for a nervous final few minutes in Cleveland, it hasn’t been pretty.

For all the fancy stats and analytics at work, much of the series has boiled down to the Cavaliers punching the Warriors in the face (metaphorically; Matthew Dellavedova has mostly swept the leg so far) and Golden State backing down. This blueprint to slow down the Warriors isn’t a surprise – the weakest part of both Steph Curry and Klay Thompson’s game is physical strength, so relentless physicality is key. Yet to their credit, Cleveland has executed this game plan in a far superior fashion to anyone else so far. Dellavedova and Iman Shumpert have been attached to the Warriors’ shooters like barnacles, regardless of what’s happening elsewhere on the court. Combine this with the crisis of either effectiveness, confidence or both facing Draymond Green, and Golden State’s offense has sputtered mightily.

Sure, the Warriors are missing shots (it is a Make or Miss League, always), but they aren’t the same shots, in the same rhythm the team is used to. Counting on Curry to get his shooting stroke together isn’t the worst plan, but there’s no reason to stop there. Getting more open looks and easier baskets is never a bad thing, so how can the Dubs do so?

One thing they can certainly try is to simply allow Curry space to operate against Dellavedova. No ball screens, no fancy misdirection, just 1-4 low isolations. A big part of the fourth quarter run was Curry doing just this, almost visibly thinking “I’m the MVP, and you were a guy fighting for a roster spot in Summer League” and unleashing his arsenal of quick dribbles and pull up J’s. Even in previous games, the few times Curry was able to attack Dellavedova in a spread floor in semi-transition, it didn’t end well for the Aussie.

As a side dish, this will bear some fruit. Curry will get looks, or help will have to come from much further away than when Golden State has almost invited a double team on Curry by running high pick-and-rolls. But it’s probably asking too much from Steph (and as well as begging Cleveland to switch LeBron James onto him for a few possessions) to make this the main course. In fact, I would argue the Warriors should look to have Curry do more by doing less. Less with the ball, that is.

Curry’s most unique skill is his ability to shoot, especially from three, off the dribble. However, as with most players he is much more accurate in situations where his teammates set him up for shots. According to SportVU, his Effective Field Goal Percentage (eFG%) is 64.4% on shots where he held the ball less than 2.5 seconds and thus likely was assisted by a teammate. Still, it has often been best for the Warriors as a whole to have Steph’s own shots being slightly lower efficiency as he shoots a faintly ludicrous 55.4% eFG on self-created shots, which usually bends the defense in such a way as to allow other players some openings. In the Finals, though, Golden State simply isn’t seeing those ancillary benefits of the attention Curry’s shooting draws. In fact, he’s almost bent Cleveland’s defense more by working off the ball:

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A few things are going on here. First, Cleveland can’t “load up” nearly as effectively on Curry when he doesn’t have the ball. LeBron attempts a similar hedge as the Cavs’ bigs have been executing in the pick-and-roll:

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This allows Andre Iguoudala to roll to the basket. The basket cut is more open for three reasons. Firstly, the whole play is starting closer to the basket so Iggy can just catch and dunk; the man making the pass, Shaun Livingston isn’t the player being trapped as Curry is when he’s initiating from a high pick-and-roll; and finally, Cleveland’s strategy of dropping off of non-shooters allows Livingston to have great passing vision for the play:

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The Warriors have had similarly successful plays running Klay Thompson off of pin-down screens as well. That is, when they have set solid screens. Something which has been sadly lacking from Green.

Enter Andrew Bogut, who both by his mammoth size and ability to get away with subtle moves and slides is the Warriors best screener. Bogut has had a rough series, outquicked by Tristan Thompson, outmuscled by Timofey Mozgov and unwilling to even attempt to score on the other end. Yet even Bogut is not afraid to catch and dunk on a play like the above though. Getting good body-on-body screens should be readily achievable as well. That same chest-to-chest defense being played by Shumpert and Dellavedova make them “screen-bait” for a bruiser like Bogut.

In fact, to properly defend this kind of action, one of the Cavs on the other side of the floor might have to sag into the lane. Suddenly Cleveland is guarding two players, neither of whom has the ball with three of their own. Or perhaps the Cavs cannot bring extra help to one side of the floor because while Curry or Thompson is working off the ball on one side of the floor, the other is using the opposite baseline in similar fashion. The very help-and-recover situations Cleveland has largely been able to avoid all series are suddenly starting the in the face.

The Warriors lineup would look something like Curry, Thompson, Bogut, Livingston and Iguoudala. With Curry and Thompson running the baseline, either Livingston or Iggy would handle the ball at the top of the floor. Both players can set screens and take advantage should Dellavedova switch onto them. It also provides a credible defender or two to throw on James at the other end, but the bigger worry for Golden State has to be on offense still.

While there isn’t a huge sample (the trio of Curry, Livingston and Bogut has not shared the floor in the Finals and played only 82 minutes together during the season), indications are positive. In concert, those three were +17 per 100 in that short amount of time per NBAWOWY. Further, Curry has been able to work off the ball far more frequently. The proportion of Curry’s shots which were self-created was the lowest when sharing the floor with either player, and in his short time with both, only 40% of his shots (compared to 54% overall were of his own making (per a combination of SportVU and lineup data). Again, it’s a tiny sample (only 45 shots), but Curry’s eFG was 80%with that pair of teammates on the floor.

At the very least, this is a vastly different look which will pose different challenges to Cleveland’s defenders, who have become increasingly comfortable guarding the “same old, same old” from the Warriors. Further, it will almost force an offense that has become stagnant to have more movement, against possibly discombobulating defenders. And if it frees Curry and Thompson a few times, Golden State might finally start to see a couple of their patented scoring runs and start to retake some control over the style and tenor of the series. At this point, do they have much to lose?
 
Nah cuz don't switch up now :lol:

EDIT: You know what nevermind. I was on my phone when I misread "I think the Cavs will win game 4" but you actually said must. I thought you were switching up on me. lol

LOL. Naw man...7-8 man rotation after two of the first 3 went to overtime.. I think GS coming back late has more to do with Cavs being fatigued than anything special they're dong late. That's only going to increase as the series goes deeper. Winning game 4 effectively ends this series. They need to put it again tonight. If GS wins, they'll start feeling good about themselves... "we've played shitty ball and still have home court advantage"

:lol:

Eewwll still having flashbacks of game 5 in detriot

:angry::angry::angry:

That's what I think too. I would assume that's what Lebron thinks deep down too. If JR needs to show up for any fucking game, it's tomorrow. He's overdue. He needs to go for over 20.

But shit, they made it with one day of rest and a cross country trip last game. I can't call these Cavs. I'd have never guessed they be up 2-1 with JR playing the way he is playing. He is an important part of why they made it this far.

JR was killing it all playoffs man. He roasted the Hawks... I think the way the game is being played (with Lebron slowing down the pace and effectively doing only drive and dishes for assists) is throwing things off for JR Smith... he's not getting a lot of catch and shoots or getting the ball with enough time to make a few moves and do his step back shot... I just think it's a timing thing because of the way the Cavs have had to just grind the pace down to a hault.
 
I think GS gonna start doubling Bron and putting full court press on that bum ass cac Deli if he bring the ball up.. Also GS gonna start mixing with Curry playing off the ball with double screens to get Curry going and start speeding up the pace by not walking the ball up court.. Cause right now GS letting Bron dictate the pace and grinding out the game..

Soon as Bron run the shoot clock down to bout 7-5 seconds double his ass and live with one of them bums making a shot with the shoot clock running down to 0
 
I think GS gonna start doubling Bron and putting full court press on that bum ass cac Deli if he bring the ball up.. Also GS gonna start mixing with Curry playing off the ball with double screens to get Curry going and start speeding up the pace by not walking the ball up court.. Cause right now GS letting Bron dictate the pace and grinding out the game..

Soon as Bron run the shoot clock down to bout 7-5 seconds double his ass and live with one of them bums making a shot with the shoot clock running down to 0


LeBron's too good of a passer. There's a reason teams didn't consistently double Magic. At 6-8 and that court vision, consistent doubles will lead to Cav layups and dunks.

All of that sounds good, but as long as the Warriors keep trying to play glamor ball, Cavs will keep smacking them right in the mouth. As long as the Warriors are all about Steph roasting and pretty flip shots and launching 3's, they will continue to get pummeled. If they want to win, the need to worry less about Steph and more about being tough and grinding it out.

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And the warriors need to stop saying and thinking this is just like being down 2-1 to Memphis.

It's not at all.


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i said T. Thompson was going to be the difference maker in this series, and as it proceeds, he's becoming more & more of a factor.

dude is too big and too quick and too aggressive for anyone on the GS squad to guard him.
 
LeBron's too good of a passer. There's a reason teams didn't consistently double Magic. At 6-8 and that court vision, consistent doubles will lead to Cav layups and dunks.

All of that sounds good, but as long as the Warriors keep trying to play glamor ball, Cavs will keep smacking them right in the mouth. As long as the Warriors are all about Steph roasting and pretty flip shots and launching 3's, they will continue to get pummeled. If they want to win, the need to worry less about Steph and more about being tough and grinding it out.

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They know he's a good passer the who point is let him get the ball to someone deep in the clock to make a decision.. Nobody on that cats squad are good decision makers except bron
 
And the warriors need to stop saying and thinking this is just like being down 2-1 to Memphis.

It's not at all.


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The Warriors didn't say that stop putting words in their mouths it's the pundents and fake analyst that's saying that...

But facts are facts Menphis did push them around and punk them when they went down 2-1 and they adjusted and came back to take the series...

Memphis is a better defensive team than the Cavs... Only thing is Memphis don't have Bron
 
I think GS gonna start doubling Bron and putting full court press on that bum ass cac Deli if he bring the ball up.. Also GS gonna start mixing with Curry playing off the ball with double screens to get Curry going and start speeding up the pace by not walking the ball up court.. Cause right now GS letting Bron dictate the pace and grinding out the game..

Soon as Bron run the shoot clock down to bout 7-5 seconds double his ass and live with one of them bums making a shot with the shoot clock running down to 0

Well that's what they been trying to do, it works just that Curry haven't been able to beast effortless, he's worked hard(for the most part) for those points...

They might be bums, but remember we had bums come thru in Miami
 
@IraHeatBeat: Joey Crawford to make his 2015 NBA Finals debut tonight, so there's that.

Beatdownrecs ya boy Joey gonna give Lebron the business !!!

:lol:
 
I think GS gonna start doubling Bron and putting full court press on that bum ass cac Deli if he bring the ball up.. Also GS gonna start mixing with Curry playing off the ball with double screens to get Curry going and start speeding up the pace by not walking the ball up court.. Cause right now GS letting Bron dictate the pace and grinding out the game..

Soon as Bron run the shoot clock down to bout 7-5 seconds double his ass and live with one of them bums making a shot with the shoot clock running down to 0

doubling Lebron could be the worst thing for them to do.....cuz GS is foul prone when they double him.
fuck around and get in foul trouble early.....and its gonna be alot of easy layups for Lebron because noone is going
to want to foul him and risk sitting on the bench because of fouls.
 
Why Lebron didn't help wade in the finals like this in '11 and '14???

The thing Miami didn't have was youthness...

Normally your more experienced team, wins...but there comes a times you need players who just run, run, hustle then run some more...

I feel like we're getting that with Della, TT, Shum, Curry & Klay don't seem like they get tired...

So this finals really is a treat for basketball I would think!!!
 
I think GS gonna start doubling Bron and putting full court press on that bum ass cac Deli if he bring the ball up.. Also GS gonna start mixing with Curry playing off the ball with double screens to get Curry going and start speeding up the pace by not walking the ball up court.. Cause right now GS letting Bron dictate the pace and grinding out the game..

Soon as Bron run the shoot clock down to bout 7-5 seconds double his ass and live with one of them bums making a shot with the shoot clock running down to 0




Ethan J. Skolnick @EthanJSkolnick 2 minutes ago
Warriors spoke about needing to increase pace as they did in final 3 games vs. MEM. Their possession #s are same in series as those 3 games.




I know they want to increase the pace, but it's gonna be hard to force the Cavs to play faster... They best chance for that have a broke knee cap. Uncle Drew could've helped with that.
 
doubling Lebron could be the worst thing for them to do.....cuz GS is foul prone when they double him.
fuck around and get in foul trouble early.....and its gonna be alot of easy layups for Lebron because noone is going
to want to foul him and risk sitting on the bench because of fouls.

Not necessarily, what bron is doing is working the shot clock down to 5 on each Cavs possession, what GS should start doing is send the trap to him the moment the shot clock gets to 5 and let him dish the ball to a teammate to make the finish.. The Cavs cats are not great finishers and it will force some to take quick shots or put the ball on the floor with a few secs left.. But the key is don't let bron get up to the point where hear dictating the flow of the game
 
The thing Miami didn't have was youthness...

Normally your more experienced team, wins...but there comes a times you need players who just run, run, hustle then run some more...

I feel like we're getting that with Della, TT, Shum, Curry & Klay don't seem like they get tired...

So this finals really is a treat for basketball I would think!!!

homie... did you see the spurs the last 2 yrs?

ginobili was on the take and they lost to miami the first time.

the second time, they ran miami out the bldg, punked them, took their lunch, and made them sit down to piss.

BOTH TIMES, TIM DUNCAN WAS OUT-RUNNING EVERYONE UP & DOWN THE COURT. nicca like 37 yrs old.
 
but you know they didn't play defense when he did that shit. Those were glorified all-star games man(been watching clips of those old games).

40-50 years from now kids will say the same thing about LeBron and his 40 point performances in this era. Wilt was the ONLY guy in his era to do it.
 
@IraHeatBeat: Joey Crawford to make his 2015 NBA Finals debut tonight, so there's that.

Beatdownrecs ya boy Joey gonna give Lebron the business !!!

:lol:

You already know, he gonna get bron in foul trouble he always do in critical games..

This is something to watch. The fucking refs can change this game more than anyone. Hit Lebron with some bullshit fouls and allow GS to get up early...and the pace changes because the Cavs will be playing from behind and can't afford to just burn clock with long possessions like they've been doing.
 
Nigga don't NOBODY care about that tall ass nigga

We talking about right now

U remind me of them Kobe fans who was all in my timeline

GTFO
 
You already know eewwll and Beatdownrecs

Joey gonna ref this game to make sure it extends one more game

Then Joey will ref game 7 with tony brothers and Danny Crawford

I can already see it

This cocksucka was jumping in the paint when niggas was taking free throws
 
The Warriors didn't say that stop putting words in their mouths it's the pundents and fake analyst that's saying that...




http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/cavs-warriors-face-urgent-nba-finals-game-31683555



"We've been in this same position down 2-1 at Memphis against a great veteran team in Memphis that attempted to do the same thing Cleveland is doing. That's slow the game down, grind it out, and play to their strengths. That's exactly what Cleveland's trying to do. I have faith that we're going to come out and play the right way tomorrow and then this series is right back to square one."

And he also guaranteed the Warriors will win the series.


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I def don't care about that bald headed ass nigga

It's been almost 20 years since he played for my squad

U mad Lebron is the best player right now?

And Jason Caffey would body you in the post faggit

U got that old ass nigga up there like he won and never lost
 
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