Riots in Ferguson, and what they mean

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Riots in Ferguson, and what they mean​


The Miami Herald
By Leonard Pitts, Jr.
August 13, 2014


A riot can be many things.

It can be an act of communal madness, reflecting the emotional imbecility of those who believe the best way to express joy at their ball team's win is to overturn a car.

It can be an act of opportunism, a chance, under cover of darkness, influence of chaos, suspension of order, to smash and grab and run away, arms heavy with loot.

And it can be an act of outcry, a scream of inchoate rage.

That's what happened this week in Ferguson, Missouri. The people screamed.

To believe that this carnage - the windows smashed, the buildings torched, the tear gas wafting - is all about the killing of Michael Brown is to miss the point. Brown, of course, was the unarmed 18-year-old African-American man shot multiple times by a Ferguson police officer on Saturday.

St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar - Ferguson Police asked his department, as an outside agency, to investigate the shooting - has said Brown was walking with another individual when a so-far unnamed officer sitting in a police car, stopped him. According to Belmar, the officer was trying to get out of his car when one of the two individuals pushed him back inside, where there was a struggle over the officer's weapon and at least one shot was discharged. He says the officer came out of the car and fired, striking Brown, who was about 35 feet away, multiple times.

Witnesses say Brown, who was to have started college this week, had his hands up when he was shot. Police have not said why the officer felt the need to stop him in the first place.

Details are still too sketchy for us to draw hard conclusions about what happened that afternoon. But it is all too easy to understand what happened afterward and why good people should be paying attention.

Because, again, this is not just about Brown. It's about Eric Garner, choked to death in a confrontation with New York City Police. It's about Jordan Davis, shot to death in Jacksonville, Florida, because he played his music too loud. It's about Trayvon Martin, shot to death in Sanford, Florida, because a self-appointed neighborhood guardian judged him a thug. It's about Oscar Grant, shot by a police officer in an Oakland, California, subway station as cellphone cameras watched. It's about Amadou Diallo, executed in that vestibule and Abner Louima, sodomized with that broomstick. It's about Rodney King.

And it is about the bitter sense of siege that lives in African-American men, a sense that it is perpetually open season on us.

And that too few people outside of African America really notice, much less care. People who look like you are everyday deprived of health, wealth, freedom, opportunity, education, the benefit of the doubt, the presumption of innocence, life itself - and when you try to say this, even when you document it with academic studies and buttress it with witness testimony, people don't want to hear it, people dismiss you, deny you, lecture you about white victimhood, chastise you for playing a so-called "race card."

They choke off avenues of protest, prizing silence over justice, mistaking silence for peace. And never mind that sometimes, silence simmers like water in a closed pot on a high flame.

One can never condone a riot. It is a self-defeating act that sells some fleeting illusion of satisfaction at a high cost in property and life.

But understanding this does not preclude recognizing that the anger we see in Ferguson did not spring from nowhere, nor arrive, fully-formed, when Michael Brown was shot. It is the anger of people who are, as Fannie Lou Hamer famously said, sick and tired of being sick and tired.

Silence imposed on pain cannot indefinitely endure. People who are hurting will always, eventually, make themselves heard.

Even if they must scream to do so.​


Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/08/13/236289/leonard-pitts-jr-riots-in-ferguson.html#storylink=cpy


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Leonard Pitts Jr., is an American commentator,
journalist and novelist. He is a nationally-
syndicated columnist and winner of the 2004
Pulitzer Prize for Commentary. Leonard Pitts
Jr., is presently a columnist for the Miami
Herald, 3511 N.W. 91 Avenue, Doral, Fla.
33172. Readers may write to him via email at
lpitts@miamiherald.com.






 
Based on my source, it looks like this is a hate crime. He was intentionally targeted and executed in a conspiracy. There are other co conspirators not in custody that should be charged with murder.

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The murders of civil rights workers James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner by a conspiracy of police and Ku Klux Klansmen in Mississippi on June 21, 1964, was one of the pivotal events of the civil rights movement.

The more things change, the more they stay the same?

WTF?
 
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Official Story:

The official story will be that there was a struggle and the police officer shot the victim to protect himself. It will be claimed that the victim was reaching for his weapon and the officer feared for his life.


The Unofficial Story:

The police force have become death squads and terrorists. Michael Brown was targeted and executed by this police officer to send a message consistent with eyewitness accounts. Knowing this incident would make national headlines, the intended target would see this horrific death on TV and know it was related to him. They also timed this murder with an event of their intended target. Tim McVeigh timed the Oklahoma City bombings with the siege on Waco, so that if he got away with it, his intended target, Federal Government, would know why that act occurred. Osama bin Laden chose 9/11 in a similar manner.

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He was chosen because his name was similar to an alias that the person they wanted to intimidate uses. The drug cartels and Al Qaeda commonly use this tactic to intimidate people. In Mexico, they federalized police because they were completely corrupt. Here the politicians are having the state take over the functions of the police because of the corruption.

The FBI and DOJ may cover this up and not look into the communications and activity of the officer prior to the execution that was committed. There are other co-conspirators in the police force that have not been identified, not questioned, and maybe patrolling the streets or dealing with protesters with militarized weapons.

This was premeditated murder that was planned with co-conspirators and executed with precision. This premeditated murder was a hate crime and terrorist act connected with the victim's race.

The intended target similar to the federal government and Oklahoma City have gotten their message based on clues left except this police officer will get away with it and Tim McVeigh was put to death
 
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1. Key eye witnesses not interviewed.

2. Name of officer not released.

3. Failure to release information, allowing citizens and the media to investigate

Coverup, Pre-meditated murder...
 
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Official Story:

The official story will be that there was a struggle and the police officer shot the victim to protect himself. It will be claimed that the victim was reaching for his weapon and the officer feared for his life.


The Unofficial Story:

The police force have become death squads. Michael Brown was targeted and executed by this police officer to send a message consistent with eyewitness accounts. Knowing this incident would make national headlines, the intended target would see this horrific death on TV and know it was related to him. They also timed this murder with an event of their intended target. Tim McVeigh timed the Oklahoma City bombings with the siege on Waco, so that if he got away with it, his intended target, Federal Government, would know why that act occurred. Osama bin Laden chose 9/11 in a similar manner.

He was chosen because his name was similar to an alias that the person they wanted to intimidate uses. The drug cartels and Al Qaeda commonly use this tactic to intimidate people. In Mexico, they federalized police because they were completely corrupt. Here the politicians are having the state take over the functions of the police because of the corruption.

The FBI and DOJ may cover this up and not look into the communications and activity of the officers prior to the execution that was committed. There are other co-conspirators in the police force that have not been identified and maybe patrolling the streets or dealing with protesters with militarized weapons.

This was premeditated murder that was planned with co-conspirators and executed with precision. This premeditated murder was a hate crime connected with the victim's race.

The intended target similar to the federal government and Oklahoma City have gotten their message based on clues left except this police officer will get away with it and Tim McVeigh was put to death

can you explain this a lil more... im intruiged
 
can you explain this a lil more... im intruiged

1. The intended target was approached on August 8 by a unknown suspect in a peculiar manner to indicate that possibly something was going to happen the next day.

2. The name of the victim is similar to an alias that the intended target uses

3. Finally, the event was timed with specific activity of the intended target.

This was a white terrorist and was committed similar to the Sikh Temple Shootings. Based on eyewitness accounts, this is a plausible reason for this murder, why else would a cop risk losing his job, pension, and livelihood to commit this heinous act

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In summary, it would be similar to me finding a person named 1900Killer instead of 1900Killa because you were going to testify in the case and executing that person which would result in news coverage that you would see. I then would have somebody approach you on the day before it occurred to ensure that you got the message.

The federal investigators need to put murder charges and the death penalty on the table to get this guy to flip. He needs to get a two drug cocktail for his lethal injection so that he can be unable to breathe for an hour, then die of a heart attack

If they investigate this as just a shooting, he will get away with this crime.


Based on my source, it looks like this is a hate crime. He was intentionally targeted and executed in a conspiracy. There are other co conspirators not in custody that should be charged with murder.

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The murders of civil rights workers James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner by a conspiracy of police and Ku Klux Klansmen in Mississippi on June 21, 1964, was one of the pivotal events of the civil rights movement.

I posted this the day before the police force was removed. The media claimed it was related to the militarization, however, the investigators are looking into possible co-conspirators on the force and they don't want them patrolling the streets. If it was militarization, the governor could have ordered them to stop.

My post alarmed the government and they reacted.
 
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Rand Paul’s race moment ?



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Sen. Rand Paul is staking out new ground: He’s the Republican who can talk race and
police brutality.

In an op-ed for Time magazine Thursday on the events in Ferguson, Missouri, Paul (R-
Ky.) took on race, militarized police and why “it is impossible for African-Americans not
to feel like their government is particularly targeting them.”

The potential 2016 presidential contender is fond of telling the GOP that it needs to
appeal beyond its mostly white base if it wants to be competitive in national races —
pushing for sentencing reforms and speaking to traditionally black audiences. But his
efforts to make inroads with new GOP constituencies haven’t always gone smoothly.

The tension in the St. Louis suburbs, however, could mark a turning point for Paul.

The senator’s lengthy, provocative and personal op-ed went further than any other Re-
publican in acknowledging pervasive racial divisions in the U.S.

“Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of
criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention,”
he wrote.

Republicans have a long way to go toward building support among African-Americans
and other minorities. But politicians from both parties often struggle to talk about race —
and Paul is winning applause from unlikely places for his willingness to confront the issue.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/rand-pauls-race-moment-110040.html#ixzz3AYZ4rlzD




 
Why don't they loot the white neighborhoods? All they are doing is giving the whites an excuse not to develop in their neighborhood. They are taking away from Mike Brown's legacy.

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Just think a white terrorist cop on orders can exploit a situation and execute one of us, leave our dead body to ensure Youtube videos are available similar to a drug cartel and get away with it.

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I have been dealing with these well planned vehicle attacks, threats of attacks, and stalking behavior for years. I can tell this is one of them after seeing it for myself.

We need to have DHS and the NSA conducting surveillance and protecting people from Al-Qaeda/white cops.

In the past, you commit a terrorist act and announce it that you did it. Now, just like Benghazi attacks, you commit a terrorist act and hide your identity and make it look accidental or related to something else.

You send non-verbal clues that it was intentional to somebody.

 
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We have Police Death Squads in the US...

A death squad is an armed squad that conducts extrajudicial killings, and forced disappearances of persons for the purposes of political repression, genocide, or revolutionary terror. These killings are often conducted in ways meant to ensure the secrecy of the killers' identities, so as to avoid accountability.

Death squads are often, but not exclusively, associated with police states, one party states, or military dictatorships. It is not unheard of, however, for democratic governments to form death squads during a state of emergency and then disband them once the crisis passes.

Death squads may have the support of domestic or foreign Governments (see state terrorism). They may comprise a secret police force, paramilitary groups, or government soldiers and policemen. They may also be organized as vigilantes.

When death squads are not controlled by the State, they may consist of insurgent forces or organized crime.
 



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Why don't they loot the white neighborhoods? All they are doing is giving the whites an excuse not to develop in their neighborhood. They are taking away from Mike Brown's legacy.

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Because they are a bunch of dumb criminals. You think there looters give a fuck about what's going on, dude they are just taking advantage of the situation. The people that care are making their voices heard by other means.
 
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source: Mother Jones


The St. Louis Area Has a Long History of Shameful Racial Violence


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A mob blocks a street car during the East St. Louis Riot of July 1917

The shooting of Michael Brown in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, Missouri, and the subsequent riots, protests, and police crackdown have highlighted the area's long history of racial strife. One chapter from that history, a century-old summer riot just fourteen miles away from Ferguson, in East St. Louis, Illinois, shows how black Americans were subjected to racial violence from the moment they arrived in the region.

In 1917, East St. Louis was crowded with factories. Jobs were abundant. But as World War I halted the flow of immigration from Eastern Europe, factory recruiters started looking toward the American South for black workers. Thousands came, and as competition for jobs increased, a labor issue became a racial one.

East St. Louis' angry white workers found sympathy from the leaders of the local Democratic party, who feared that the influx of black, mostly Republican voters threatened their electoral dominance. In one particularly striking parallel to today's political landscape, local newspapers warned of voter fraud, alleging that black voters were moving between northern cities to swing local elections as part of a far-reaching conspiracy called "colonization," according to the documentary series Living in St. Louis.


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A cartoon from the time of the riot, lambasting then-president Woodrow Wilson for making the world "safe for democracy" while ignoring the plight of East St. Louis.

That May, a local aluminum plant brought in black workers to replace striking white ones. Soon, crowds of whites gathered downtown, at first protesting the migration, then beating blacks and destroying property. On July 1, a group of white men drove through a black neighborhood, firing a gun out their car window. (The perpetrators were never caught.) A few hours later, another car drove through the neighborhood. Black residents fired at it, killing two police officers.

On July 2, as news of the killings got out, white residents went tearing through black neighborhoods, beating and killing blacks and burning some 300 houses as National Guard troops either failed to respond or fled the scene. The official toll counted 39 black and eight white people dead, but others speculated that more than a hundred people died in what is still considered one of the worst incidents of racial violence in twentieth-century America. Afraid for their lives, more than six thousand blacks left the city after the riot.

That the United States was then fighting in Europe to defend democracy while failing to protect its own citizens was not lost on Marcus Garvey, soon to become one of the most famous civil rights leaders of his time: "This is no time for fine words, but a time to lift one's voice against the savagery of a people who claim to be the dispensers of democracy," he said to cheers at a speech in Harlem on July 8. "I do not know what special meaning the people who slaughtered the Negroes of East St. Louis have for democracy... but I do know that it has no meaning for me."
 
source: Huffington Post


Missouri GOP Director Denounces Voter Registration Efforts In Ferguson

Republicans are lashing out at activists in Ferguson, Missouri, who are using the protests over the death of Michael Brown -- an unarmed black teenager who was fatally shot by a police officer on Aug. 9 -- as an opportunity to promote civic engagement and mitigate the city's history of low voter turnout and racial disparities in political representation.

Activists set up voter registration tables near a makeshift memorial for Brown and the QuikTrip convenience store that has become a gathering base for protesters. The efforts were organized by local clergy with the help of the Revs. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

Missouri Republican Party executive director Matt Wills called the actions "disgusting" and told Breitbart News the activists are "fanning the political flames."

"Injecting race into this conversation and into this tragedy, not only is not helpful, but it doesn’t help a continued conversation of justice and peace," Willis told Breitbart News.

Political representation in Ferguson has long been divided along racial lines, and the city has a troubled racial history. Two-thirds of the residents are black, but its mayor and five of its six city council members are white. In addition, only three of Ferguson's 53 police officers are black.

One reason the city's government poorly reflects the demographic makeup could be low voter turnout. Only 12.3 percent of people voted in this year's municipal elections. Turnout was even lower in 2013 and 2012, with 11.7 percent and 8.9 percent voting, respectively. On Sunday, Sharpton decried the dismal turnout in an address at a local church.

"You all have got to start voting and showing up. Twelve percent turnout is an insult to your children," he said.

Local resident Debra Reed, who set up a voter registration tent near the memorial, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch they are "trying to make young people understand that this is how to change things."

Not all Republicans are joining the state GOP director in his opposition to the voter registration efforts -- some are actually denouncing Wills' views. GOP State Sen. Ryan Silvey tweeted that "the 'outrage' over voter registration in Ferguson is dumb. I'd rather they vote than riot."
 
source: New York Times

Deep Tensions Rise to Surface After Ferguson Shooting

FERGUSON, Mo. — Garland Moore, a hospital worker, lived in this St. Louis suburb for much of his 33 years, a period in which a largely white community has become a largely black one.

He attended its schools and is raising his family in this place of suburban homes and apartment buildings on the outskirts of a struggling Midwest city. And over time, he has felt his life to be circumscribed by Ferguson’s demographics.

Mr. Moore, who is black, talks of how he has felt the wrath of the police here and in surrounding suburbs for years — roughed up during a minor traffic stop and prevented from entering a park when he was wearing St. Louis Cardinals red.

And last week, as he stood at a vigil for an unarmed 18-year-old shot dead by the police — a shooting that provoked renewed street violence and looting early Saturday — Mr. Moore heard anger welling and listened to a shout of: “We’re tired of the racist police department.”

“It broke the camel’s back,” Mr. Moore said of the killing of the teenager, Michael Brown. Referring to the northern part of St. Louis County, he continued, “The people in North County — not just African-Americans, some of the white people, too — they are tired of the police harassment.”
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The origins of the area’s complex social and racial history date to the 19th century when the city of St. Louis and St. Louis County went their separate ways, leading to the formation of dozens of smaller communities outside St. Louis. Missouri itself has always been a state with roots in both the Midwest and the South, and racial issues intensified in the 20th century as St. Louis became a stopping point for the northern migration of Southern blacks seeking factory jobs in Detroit and Chicago.

As African-Americans moved into the city and whites moved out, real estate agents and city leaders, in a pattern familiar elsewhere in the country, conspired to keep blacks out of the suburbs through the use of zoning ordinances and restrictive covenants. But by the 1970s, some of those barriers had started to fall, and whites moved even farther away from the city. These days, Ferguson is like many of the suburbs around St. Louis, inner-ring towns that accommodated white flight decades ago but that are now largely black. And yet they retain a white power structure.

Although about two-thirds of Ferguson residents are black, its mayor and five of its six City Council members are white. Only three of the town’s 53 police officers are black.

Turnout for local elections in Ferguson has been poor. The mayor, James W. Knowles III, noted his disappointment with the turnout — about 12 percent — in the most recent mayoral election during a City Council meeting in April. Patricia Bynes, a black woman who is the Democratic committeewoman for the Ferguson area, said the lack of black involvement in local government was partly the result of the black population’s being more transient in small municipalities and less attached to them.

There is also some frustration among blacks who say town government is not attuned to their concerns.

Aliyah Woods, 45, once petitioned Ferguson officials for a sign that would warn drivers that a deaf family lived on that block. But the sign never came. “You get tired,” she said. “You keep asking, you keep asking. Nothing gets done.”
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</figcaption> </figure> Mr. Moore, who recently moved to neighboring Florissant, said he had attended a couple of Ferguson Council meetings to complain that the police should be patrolling the residential streets to try to prevent break-ins rather than lying in wait to catch people for traffic violations.

This year, community members voiced anger after the all-white, seven-member school board for the Ferguson-Florissant district pushed aside its black superintendent for unrevealed reasons. That spurred several blacks to run for three board positions up for election, but only one won a seat.

The St. Louis County Police Department fired a white lieutenant last year for ordering officers to target blacks in shopping areas. That resulted in the department’s enlisting researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles, to study whether the department was engaging in racial profiling.

And in recent years, two school districts in North County lost their accreditation. One, Normandy, where Mr. Brown graduated this year, serves parts of Ferguson. When parents in the mostly black district sought to allow their children to transfer to schools in mostly white districts, they said, they felt a backlash with racial undertones. Frustration with underfunded and underperforming schools has long been a problem, and when Gov. Jay Nixon held a news conference on Friday to discuss safety and security in Ferguson, he was confronted with angry residents demanding to know what he would do to fix their schools.

Ferguson’s economic shortcomings reflect the struggles of much of the region. Its median household income of about $37,000 is less than the statewide number, and its poverty level of 22 percent outpaces the state’s by seven percentage points.

In Ferguson, residents say most racial tensions have to do with an overzealous police force.
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</figure> “It is the people in a position of authority in our community that have to come forward,” said Jerome Jenkins, 47, who, with his wife, Cathy, owns Cathy’s Kitchen, a downtown Ferguson restaurant.

“What you are witnessing is our little small government has to conform to the change that we are trying to do,” Mr. Jenkins added. “Sometimes things happen for a purpose; maybe we can get it right.”

Ferguson’s police chief, Thomas Jackson, has been working with the Justice Department’s community relations team on improving interaction with residents. At a news conference here last week, he acknowledged some of the problems.

“I’ve been trying to increase the diversity of the department ever since I got here,” Chief Jackson said, adding that “race relations is a top priority right now.” As for working the with Justice Department, he said, “I told them, ‘Tell me what to do, and I’ll do it.’ ”

Although experience and statistics suggest that Ferguson’s police force disproportionately targets blacks, it is not as imbalanced as in some neighboring departments in St. Louis County. While blacks are 37 percent more likely to be pulled over compared with their proportion of the population in Ferguson, that is less than the statewide average of 59 percent, according to Richard Rosenfeld, a professor of criminology at the University of Missouri-St. Louis.

In fact, Mr. Rosenfeld said, Ferguson did not fit the profile of a community that would be a spark for civil unrest. The town has “pockets of disadvantage” and middle and upper-middle income families. He said Ferguson had benefited in the last five to 10 years from economic growth in the northern part of the county, such as the expansion of Express Scripts, the Fortune 500 health care giant.
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</figcaption> </figure> “Ferguson does not stand out as the type of community where you would expect tensions with the police to boil over into violence and looting,” Mr. Rosenfeld said.

But the memory of the region’s racial history lingers.

In 1949, a mob of whites showed up to attack blacks who lined up to get into the pool at Fairground Park in north St. Louis after it had been desegregated.

In the 1970s, a court battle over public school inequality led to a settlement that created a desegregation busing program that exists to this day.

A Ferguson city councilman caused a stir in 1970 when he used racially charged language to criticize teenagers from the neighboring town of Kinloch for throwing rocks and bottles at homes in Ferguson. The councilman, Carl Kersting, said, “We should call a black a black, and not be afraid to face up to these people,” according to an article in the St. Louis Globe-Democrat.

Eventually blacks broke down the barriers in the inner ring of suburbs, and whites fled farther out. But whites fought hard to protect their turf.
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</figure> In the mid-1970s, Alyce Herndon, a black woman, moved with her family to what was then the mostly white town of Jennings in St. Louis County. She said some of their white neighbors stuck an Afro pick in their front lawn and set it on fire. Ms. Herndon also recalled tensions flaring between black and white students at her school after the television mini-series “Roots” first aired in 1977.

For all its segregation and discrimination, St. Louis did not have the major riots and unrest during the 1960s that was seen across the country.

St. Louis’s black leaders “were able to pressure businesses and schools to open their doors to black people and employers to hire black workers,” Stefan Bradley, the director of African-American studies at St. Louis University, wrote in an email. “These concessions may have been enough to prevent St. Louis from taking what many believed to be the next step toward redress of injustice: violent rebellion.”

But the fatal shooting of Mr. Brown has brought submerged tensions to the surface.
“St. Louis never has had its true race moment, where they had to confront this,” said Ms. Bynes, the Democratic committeewoman. Without that moment, she added, blacks have been complacent when it comes to local politics. “I’m hoping that this is what it takes to get the pendulum to swing the other way.”

Ms. Herndon, 49, said she moved her family to Ferguson in 2003 because she felt it was a good community, safer than the unincorporated portion of the county where they lived previously and with better schools for her children.

The town, she said, offers everything — places to shop, eat and drink. There is a farmers market on Saturdays. She frequents a wine bar across from a lot where a band plays on Fridays. She has white and Asian neighbors on either side of her, and there are other black families on her block. She has not experienced the racial tensions of her childhood in St. Louis County, she said, but she understands that the younger generation is living a different experience than she is.

“I understand the anger because it’s psychological trauma when you see so many people being shot or people being falsely accused,” said Ms. Herndon, who over the past week has avoided the streets that have been filled with tear gas and rubber bullets in clashes between police and protesters.

But now, a population of young black men who often feel forgotten actually feel that people are finally listening.

“If it wasn’t for the looting,” said one man, who declined to give his name, “we wouldn’t get the attention.”

Mr. Moore went one step further. He does not condone the violence that erupted during some of the protests, he said, but he does understand the frustration. And if he were younger, he said, he probably would have joined them.
 
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How does a municipality with a minority population of 67% end up with white people
running it and a police department with just a couple or three minority members ???

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It feels like an almost white terrorism component to these crimes such as Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin. Muslims are not the only ethnic and religious group that use these tactics.

Where they exploit grey areas in the laws to kill somebody causing national headlines similar to this to inflict fear and terror. Do we need DHS to conduct surveillance, church crawl in these communities to disrupt plots?


Both cases are remarkably similar in that they aggressively pursue contact with their victim to create a struggle (without reason, refusing to wait for backup or police assistance), knowing they can use deadly force and be justified. I had my own brush with terrorism and it comes in many forms.
 
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How does a municipality with a minority population of 67% end up with white people
running it and a police department with just a couple or three minority members ???

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How does a municipality with a minority population of 67% end up with white people
running it and a police department with just a couple or three minority members ???

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Race should not matter, but you have low IQ cops that react off of their animal insticts. I travel between states and notice a huge difference with police interaction. The white side it is 4 to 5 tickets for dubious reasons, the black side is none.

The best way to deal with police is being politically active, passing laws to reduce chargeable offenses such as marijuana, reducing contact with E-tickets.
 
Race should not matter, but you have low IQ cops that react off of their animal insticts. I travel between states and notice a huge difference with police interaction. The white side it is 4 to 5 tickets for dubious reasons, the black side is none.

The best way to deal with police is being politically active, passing laws to reduce chargeable offenses such as marijuana, reducing contact with E-tickets.


Race should not matter in what ???

It has nothing to do with exercising your right to vote ?

It has nothing to do with electing people of your choice to do the right thing ???

It has nothing to do with, perhaps, the way the police department is handling business in Ferguson ???​

WTF are you talking about ???


 
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How does a municipality with a minority population of 67% end up with white people
running it and a police department with just a couple or three minority members ???

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Did you read?

One reason the city's government poorly reflects the demographic makeup could be low voter turnout. Only 12.3 percent of people voted in this year's municipal elections. Turnout was even lower in 2013 and 2012, with 11.7 percent and 8.9 percent voting, respectively. On Sunday, Sharpton decried the dismal turnout in an address at a local church.
 
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Outside of my own feelings of this being a terrorist act, these racist will win if you respond that the solution is to terminate white cops even though their performance is effective. They should assess their ability to work in a predominately black area. Provide opportunities for these police officers to get outside their comfort zone, and interact with the types of people they serve. Have a psychologist sit down and assess their background, measure their physiological response to other racial groups.

Reliance on race to determine a person’s abilities or character is accessing our animal/illogical part of our brain that can cause us to make irrational and inefficient decisions. I remember the NBA used to be segregated, until an owner decided to use his rational part of his brain and take the best player resulting in 11 NBA championships. If you was a team owner and was unable to adapt, you came in last place, lost money, and were forced to sell the team. The same thing for companies that exclude other people based on race and not abilities.

If you have two groups competing for resources, one that determines a person’s place based on race a superficial construct and the other group picks the best people, the group that takes a person based on abilities will dominate, as noted by Charles Darwin.

Race does not matter...
 
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Yeah T.O., I read it -- and the story-line sounds much the same as many communities in the deep south. Former predominantly white town, white flight, and a resulting predominantly black population. But, much of what the people of Ferguson are complaining of is clearly within their power to change. You pointed out apathy as a reason. Apathy is a conclusion, a result; but not the WHY. Why would they stay home failing to seize control of that which they complain?
 
Outside of my own feelings of this being a terrorist act, these racist will win if you respond that the solution is to terminate white cops even though their performance is effective. They should assess their ability to work in a predominately black area.
Don't think I mentioned hiring or terminating anyone because of race. But it is incumbent upon those who make the selections, whatever the complexion of the selection, to be sure that they're hiring people who understand and are equipped to deal with the dynamics of the working environment. If you're not stepping up to make the selections, then its questionable how much complaining you should be doing.


Reliance on race to determine a person’s abilities or character is accessing our animal/illogical part of our brain that can cause us to make irrational and inefficient decisions.

I think you just missed the point here.
 
Yeah T.O., I read it -- and the story-line sounds much the same as many communities in the deep south. Former predominantly white town, white flight, and a resulting predominantly black population. But, much of what the people of Ferguson are complaining of is clearly within their power to change. You pointed out apathy as a reason. Apathy is a conclusion, a result; but not the WHY. Why would they stay home failing to seize control of that which they complain?

Americans in general don't vote. But when you combine intrinsic racism with the lack of political participation, the result is what you see.

All of the things, that sociaty claim as the ideal today, exporting of good paying and stable jobs, privatization, corporations, disdain for the federal government, political centrism, greed, guns, worship of the billionaire, I could go one!

All of these things are not unique to the so called "Black" community, but combine that with the racism which is America, then you get, as Jesse Jackson said, When America catches a cold, African Americans get pneumonia.
 
Don't think I mentioned hiring or terminating anyone because of race. But it is incumbent upon those who make the selections, whatever the complexion of the selection, to be sure that they're hiring people who understand and are equipped to deal with the dynamics of the working environment. If you're not stepping up to make the selections, then its questionable how much complaining you should be doing.




I think you just missed the point here.

He did, but why let the white police officers off the hook? True they should conduct their business in a professional objective manner. But, could you imagine a 95% "Black" police force patrolling Mountain Brook?
 
Americans in general don't vote. But when you combine intrinsic racism with the lack of political participation, the result is what you see.
Sorry, I don't accept the intrinsic as an excuse. I understand racism and its affect very well, but those things cannot be the excuse of a community. The shooting of Michael Brown proved that the community can be moved. Now, let the ballot box be a large part of the movement, going forward.


All of the things, that sociaty claim as the ideal today, exporting of good paying and stable jobs, privatization, corporations, disdain for the federal government, political centrism, greed, guns, worship of the billionaire, I could go one!

All of these things are not unique to the so called "Black" community, but combine that with the racism which is America, then you get, as Jesse Jackson said, When America catches a cold, African Americans get pneumonia.

I agree and understand how the things on the list you've enumerated play a part in our difficulties. But, in all due respect, all of what you said notwithstanding, basic political inaction can never be allowed to be an excuse.
 
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