Kevin Love Traded for Wiggins, Bennett, and future pick

[RoadRage]

Love is not a bad defender, he is average, but to be fair you dont a PF defense based on his one on one skills, if anything its way more accurate judging PF's and Centers as a tandom, most poor defensive PF's play with sucky Centers and poor guards. As long as your PF can rebound /box out they should be good.
Think about it about it how many many power forwards beat you with their scoring alone.

 

[Spectrum]

Eeww how do you use time to gel as a negative for Cleveland but not for Chicago. Rose ain't played in 2 years and he's EXTREMELY ball dominate. Don't you think its gonna take Chicago time to readjust?

Because key players have been playing with him for years, the coach knows how to coach him, and he's familiar with all the schemes. They don't need a gel time. They just need D. Rose to be healthy and in basketball shape.

The Cavs are going to have 3 new starters 5 new bench players and a new coach. It's completely different scenario.

Look how it took Miami until after the all-star break in 2010 for them to really look like a team. I think they were barely over .500 the first 20 games. There are a lot of new moving parts on the Cavs.

 

[Spectrum]

Love is not a bad defender, he is average

"the NBA’s five worst interior defenders were Thaddeus Young (60.2% FG), Tristan Thompson (59.1%), Kevin Love (57.4%), Nikola Vucevic (56.4%) and Nikola Pekovic (55.2%). "

He's a bad defender. There is no way around it.

 

[RoadRage]

Love is not a bad defender, he is average, but to be fair you dont a PF defense based on his one on one skills, if anything its way more accurate judging PF's and Centers as a tandom, most poor defensive PF's play with sucky Centers and poor guards. As long as your PF can rebound /box out they should be good.
Think about it about it how many many power forwards beat you with their scoring alone.

 

[AllState17]

I know the Bulls will win tons of games.

But I dont see how they've solved their main problem.

In crunch time they didnt have anyone who can create his own shot. Now DRose comes back and solves that... until LeBron is sticking him.

So we are back to the same old Bulls who got bitch-slapped by my Heat.

Or do ya'll expect Gasol to be that guy even though he aint been shit for 4 years?

 

[BDR]

"the NBA’s five worst interior defenders were Thaddeus Young (60.2% FG), Tristan Thompson (59.1%), Kevin Love (57.4%), Nikola Vucevic (56.4%) and Nikola Pekovic (55.2%). "

He's a bad defender. There is no way around it.

Can't wait until Bosh cook that cac Love

 

[BDR]

More efficient? Love shot 45 percent from the field. For a PF that's horrible. He can score but efficient he is not.

Yo eeww niggas smoking primo rocks

Bosh shot 50% from the field and was way under rated as a defender

When Bron or Wade didn't play bosh was averaging 30ppg

Cooked Portland for 37 and hit em wit that game winner


Watch bosh avg like 25ppg and 12 Rebs easy this season

 

[RoadRage]

"the NBA’s five worst interior defenders were Thaddeus Young (60.2% FG), Tristan Thompson (59.1%), Kevin Love (57.4%), Nikola Vucevic (56.4%) and Nikola Pekovic (55.2%). "

He's a bad defender. There is no way around it.

Name one of those guys who play with a decent center and guards who can defend. Bosh, Gasol and Dirk are very poor one on one defenders but match them up with a good center and guards who can actually guard then you will see a big difference. Notice how bad Bosh looked in the finals when Wade and Rio decided to play matador defense. If you look at who Love played with for guards and their centers there at Minnesota, you could see why his numbers are the way they are.

 

[Spectrum]

Yo eeww niggas smoking primo rocks

Bosh shot 50% from the field and was way under rated as a defender

When Bron or Wade didn't play bosh was averaging 30ppg

Cooked Portland for 37 and hit em wit that game winner


Watch bosh avg like 25ppg and 12 Rebs easy this season

Bosh is about to prove he's worth max money.

 

[curryshotta]

Bosh is not averaging 12 boards

Dude is one of my favorite players but thats just not going to happen

unless they suddenly change their defensive scheme

 

[Spectrum]

Name one of those guys who play with a decent center .

Stop. Love's a bum on defense. Watching him play and the stats are enough to clearly illustrate that. He's good enough on offense so that the pros outweigh the cons. Anyone who ranks as the third to last in any category (when there are 100s of players involved) is weak as fuck at that particular thing. You need to stop denying reality. He can't defend one on one and it wouldn't matter if he played with Dwight Howard.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Bosh is about to prove he's worth max money.

2 things; 1) Stop quoting roagrage. 2) Stop encouraging ManDownRecords.

 

[Big Philly]

lebron grew out of it in miami

He never disappeared in games to score 4 or 6 points.

 

[Spectrum]

2 things; 1) Stop quoting roagrage. 2) Stop encouraging ManDownRecords.

 

[Spectrum]

Bosh is not averaging 12 boards

Dude is one of my favorite players but thats just not going to happen

unless they suddenly change their defensive scheme

He's averaged nearly 11 boards twice. So it's not completely out of the question but it's probably extremely unlikely. They lost a lot of rebounding with Lebron leaving so someone is gonna have to pick up the slack.

 

[Day_Carver]

I've been saying that all thread long.



People said that same thing when the Heat came together. On paper it looks good, but they've got to gel and that takes time. The heat struggled to get started during the first season together and then got bounced in the Finals.

And remember.. they're also coming together with a completely new squad AND coach who has never coached over here.

I think Bulls have a distinct advantage out of the gate IF D. Rose is healthy.

If I had to bet though, I would put money on the Cavs just because their ceiling is higher.

CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT; WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT...

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11292706/how-lebron-james-fit-cleveland-espn-magazine

 

[RoadRage]

Stop. Love's a bum on defense. Watching him play and the stats are enough to clearly illustrate that. He's good enough on offense so that the pros outweigh the cons. Anyone who ranks as the third to last in any category (when there are 100s of players involved) is weak as fuck at that particular thing. You need to stop denying reality. He can't defend one on one and it wouldn't matter if he played with Dwight Howard.

Of course your stats are going to look bad, as well as your play, if you have guards that can't protect against penetration and the paint is constantly attacked.
Look how badly Howard, former defensive player of the year looked with Nash and a older Kobe in the front court for the Lakers...
The Nba is such a team sport, especially on defense that if there is one weak link the whole chain will snap.
Here is something to prove my point, Zach Randolph look like shit on defense with the Knicks, and Gasol defense was shitty also but pair them up together and all of a sudden they look like gang busters... Remember how good Perkins looked on defense with the Celtics, put him in a different system he looks slow and inept..
I often get on Bosh for playing soft of defense, but to his credit, the Heat have weak guard defense (when Wade is on, it was a totally different story) and no center to back him up.. Give a big man to back up Bosh and a good defensive guard and you will see his number back up again..
This is my argument for stating that much of their success will depend on how dedicated Irving is to working on his defense and his guard play... Because unlike your 4 spot, guards are first in line to protecting the paint, and if they constantly allow penetration then the 4 and the 5 are forced to help out, often freeing their man..

 

[RoadRage]

Here is a question to make you scratch your head, name one team in the history of the NBA that had front court who could play good defense, and a good defensive center yet had a poor defending PF...
My point is your guards expose your paint, and if you don't have good guards and at least a good center, every one guarding in the paint numbers would suffer..
Shit the Jordan Bulls were able to get by with bum ass centers because they had good guarding front court and a PF to help them out...

 

[untouchable212]

I'm just interested to see how many games Varejo can play this year, dude has been banged up ever since Lebron left it seems.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Lol

Y'all won 1 series when rose was healthy

No more Lebron

Y'all will get raped in 2nd round like we did y'all in 2007.

Sweep

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

It's ironic that all of the bgol expert basketball panel is arguing over the one thing that is not even close to Cleveland's priority in picking up Love. News flash fellas, they didn't pick him up to be a defensive stopper

 

[jack walsh13]

It's ironic that all of the bgol expert basketball panel is arguing over the one thing that is not even close to Cleveland's priority in picking up Love. News flash fellas, they didn't pick him up to be a defensive stopper

It Is can this fuckin Bennett guy play? I really don't count last year cause Mike Brown was coaching him but from what I'm hearing he looked good in the summer league.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

It Is can this fuckin Bennett guy play? I really don't count last year cause Mike Brown was coaching him but from what I'm hearing he looked good in the summer league.

I think so. I was hard as he'll on him last year but I found out he was dealing with a few injuries which made it hard for him to stay in shape, etc plus the Brown and confidence factor. I think the pressure of being #1 overall got to him too. I love the idea of moving Thad for him though!

 

[BDR]

Bosh is not averaging 12 boards

Dude is one of my favorite players but thats just not going to happen

unless they suddenly change their defensive scheme

Just for that bosh gonna avg 20 Rebs

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Just for that bosh gonna avg 20 Rebs

 

[Spectrum]

Look how badly Howard, former defensive player of the year looked with Nash and a older Kobe in the front court for the Lakers...
.

GTFOH. He was coming off a serious back injury and he still didn't look bad. Those stats I provided to you aren't calculated on help defense. They're calculated based on defending your man. As a one on one defender, Love is the 3rd worst in the entire league.

 

[Spectrum]

CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT; WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT...

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11292706/how-lebron-james-fit-cleveland-espn-magazine

I posted this one on bgol a couple of days ago. It's back to what I was saying. Their defense is going to be sub-par but their offense and defensive rebounding is going to be crazy.

 

[curryshotta]

Just for that bosh gonna avg 20 Rebs

I am rooting for dude to have a big year but I am sceptical about a jump in rebounding unless there are scheme changes

Plus he said he doesnt really wanna bang in the post anymore.

we will see what Spo has in the bag for him that he should have been using a while ago but gave shots to wade

 

[AllState17]

I am rooting for dude to have a big year but I am sceptical about a jump in rebounding unless there are scheme changes

Plus he said he doesnt really wanna bang in the post anymore.

we will see what Spo has in the bag for him that he should have been using a while ago but gave shots to wade

We've needed Bosh to be a better rebounder for years. He has talked about being a becoming a better rebounder for years.

We keep talking about Bosh being out of the paint but that just affects his offensive boards.

I do feel like Bosh would get more rebounds if he wasnt always guarding a center, these guys are all bigger then him and he just tries to fight them off the block but doesn't have the energy to actually go for the rebounds.

Thats what happens when you play small ball, defensively its tireing as hell.

 

[gene cisco]

It's ironic that all of the bgol expert basketball panel is arguing over the one thing that is not even close to Cleveland's priority in picking up Love. News flash fellas, they didn't pick him up to be a defensive stopper

True.

Love can't win. He played in a loaded West so it's "He doesn't play defense and he hasn't led his team to shit."

If he played in the East, it would be "He doesn't play defense and leading your team to the playoffs in the weak east doesn't mean shit."

His defense isn't good, but he still managed to have the Wolves at 40 wins in the west. What's that in the East? About 45-48 and a 3-4 seed?

But such a seeding is perfectly fine if Bosh does it this year in the east. It will be "bosh balled out." But if Love put up the same numbers in the east as a team's number 1, it would be "East ain't shit" or "the team ain't going far anyway."

Providing the coach is competent, the Cavs are going to be fine and will be in the finals playing for a chip.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

True.

Love can't win. He played in a loaded West so it's "He doesn't play defense and he hasn't led his team to shit."

If he played in the East, it would be "He doesn't play defense and leading your team to the playoffs in the weak east doesn't mean shit."

His defense isn't good, but he still managed to have the Wolves at 40 wins in the west. What's that in the East? About 45-48 and a 3-4 seed?

But such a seeding is perfectly fine if Bosh does it this year in the east. It will be "bosh balled out." But if Love put up the same numbers in the east as a team's number 1, it would be "East ain't shit" or "the team ain't going far anyway."

Providing the coach is competent, the Cavs are going to be fine and will be in the finals playing for a chip.

Dudes will lie and deny this shit but its all about color bruh. Love has been a dominant consistent player for years but now all of a sudden he aint shit. The same Dudes talking shit about Love are the same ones claiming Bosh is about to turn into the second coming of Wilt Chamberlain after years of subpar play in cetain areas. I wonder why

 

[RoadRage]

GTFOH. He was coming off a serious back injury and he still didn't look bad. Those stats I provided to you aren't calculated on help defense. They're calculated based on defending your man. As a one on one defender, Love is the 3rd worst in the entire league.

Then Howard back must still be hurt because with him playing with none defensive guards, a lot of the same dribble penetration occurred in Houston..
As far as the calculations, I understand how its supposed to work, but if there is dribble penetration and people are attacking the rim, it is the responsibility of the big men to step up and stop them, this often laves their man open, and if that guy were to score, all the blame and fault would be placed on the PF rotating over not the guards who couldn't defend in the first place...
All you have to know about Love is that he had Rubio, Martin at guards and a bag of shit at center backing him up and being that defense in the paint is a team thing, if I were to opposing team I would attack that paint while playing the Wolves..
The flip side to it, is if Irving and Waiters don't step up their defensive game, it wouldn't matter how good Love's defense may or may not be...

 

[jack walsh13]

I think so. I was hard as he'll on him last year but I found out he was dealing with a few injuries which made it hard for him to stay in shape, etc plus the Brown and confidence factor. I think the pressure of being #1 overall got to him too. I love the idea of moving Thad for him though!

Yeah I like the pick up. Did we get a first round draft pick from Minnesota too?

 

[Spectrum]

Then Howard back must still be hurt because with him playing with none defensive guards, a lot of the same dribble penetration occurred in Houston....

You sound retarded man. Dribble penetration from guards is never the fault of the the center in the paint.

You're talking about help defense. We're talking about a muthafucka who can't defend anyone at his position one on one. Stop.

 

[Day_Carver]

I posted this one on bgol a couple of days ago. It's back to what I was saying. Their defense is going to be sub-par but their offense and defensive rebounding is going to be crazy.

If this is true then they will be in the finals; No team will beat the Cavs in the east; Now as far as the west, thats a different story...