Why I Will Not March for Eric Garner
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You aren't under attack. You made the thread nobody forced you to. You post nothing but average to skanky disgusting white women in every one of your sexual fantasy threads
That's who you are.
How black women feel and what is fact is different
The,"privileges" we enjoy are purely gender based they can be applied to every other group of men..every.. So their frustration is with gender issue not things we enjoy that no other men can..other than the black woman who is made for us and and we for them.
That's just what it is
Wake up
Work together
Leave the others alone until our shit is together
Talk
Build
Grow
Being black means as a woman you are double,whammied with black woman beauty standard and hard roads
Black as a male means you are hunted and intentionally being thwarted while trying to do your duty to your community and family protecting the women and children while you need protection your damn self
No privileges period
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http://www.blackfeminists.org/tag/trayvon-martin/
I will give you that.....they have said something....but there are some who still confuse the issue
.....and this shit is similar to the OP's post
If Trayvon Martin had been a woman …
We would probably never have heard of her. The lives of black women are valued little by white society or the black community
Jamila Aisha Brown
theguardian.com, Friday 12 July 2013 07.45 EDT
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Rekia Boyd, the 22-year-old Chicagoan shot dead by police officer
Rekia Boyd, 22, an innocent bystander shot dead by a police officer in Chicago, March 2012
What if Trayvon Martin had been a black woman?
CNN host Piers Morgan posed this hypothetical question to Marc Lamont Hill on Tuesday night:
What if Trayvon had been a young black woman and she had been scared by being followed by this guy? If it had been a young black woman walking home and she had turned around and punched him in the face, for argument's sake, we wouldn't be having this conversation, would we? He would have been convicted.
Hill agreed, remarking that black men are viewed as "purveyors of violence" and not as victims. But what about the scores of unnamed black women whose killings have been largely ignored and all but forgotten? A look through history proves that from lynchings, to intimate partner violence, to police brutality, the murders of black women in the United States have rarely evoked much empathy.
Contrary to the Morgan-Hill thesis, I contend that if Trayvon Martin were a young black woman, we would not even know her name.
Trayvon Martin's murder and subsequent profiling have been likened by some to the lynchings of black men that stained American history during the 19th and 20th centuries, casting him as a latter-day Emmett Till. But popular memory has virtually erased the lynchings of Mary Turner, Marie Scott and Laura Nelson and the 115 black women, who were hung alongside their husbands, brothers and sons. The strange fruit of a stranger sex that also dangled from southern trees.
There was neither much sympathy nor outrage over the death of Deanna Cook Patrick, who was found dead in her bathtub two days after she called 911 for help in August 2012. Deanna had suffered a known history of violence at the hands of her attacker: her ex-husband Delvecchio Patrick had been arrested for assaulting her three times, and pleaded guilty to all three charges.
Though Deanna told the 911 operator that Delvecchio had tried to kill her three times before, the dispatcher failed to mark her call as "urgent" or report it as a "murder in progress". Subsequently, two police officers arrived at Deanna's home 50 minutes later, but left when no one answered.
Does the name Rekia Boyd sound at all familiar? Only weeks after Trayvon Martin's murder, Detective Dante Servin gunned down the 22-year-old Rekia on the west side of Chicago, yet her name has largely escaped the media spotlight. Like Trayvon, Rekia was a passer-by, her life taken in the middle of the night by a single shot. While the family of Rekia Boyd was awarded $4.5m in March 2013, a year after her death, Detective Servin faces no criminal charges to date.
Seven-year-old Aiyana Stanley-Jones was shot to death as she slept on the couch with her grandmother during a midnight Swat raid on her home in 2010. Last month, three years after her death, the child's killer, police officer Joseph Weekley, walked from a Detroit courtroom after his involuntary manslaughter case was declared a mistrial. Where were the headlines and protests?
So, why are female victims so often omitted from the narratives of violence African Americans face?
Black feminist scholar bell hooks says:
No other group in America has so had their identity socialized out of existence, as have black women … When black people are talked about the focus tends to be on black men.
This could explain why Marc Lamont Hill failed to cite the names of African-American women like Rekia Boyd, whose family grieves alongside the Martins. Black women's names are too often left out of rally cries against senseless violence. We remember Oscar Grant, Amadou Diallo, and Sean Bell, but how many march for Tarika Wilson?
Instead, the victimization of young women is subsumed into a general well of black pain that is largely defined by the struggles of African-American men. As a result, any insight about this important intersection of race and gender is lost under the umbrella of a collective sense of persecution.
Despite Piers Morgan's assertion that if Trayvon Martin were female, then her case would assure a guilty verdict, all the evidence suggests otherwise. The same social and cultural protections afforded white women are not readily granted to African-American women and girls.
If Trayvon Martin had been a young black woman, no police chief would have resigned over a bungled investigation. No CNN host would be discussing the case of her accused killer. And we wouldn't be livestreaming her murder trial and hanging on every word of each witness.
The reality is we would probably never have heard of her.
• Editor's note: the headline on this article was amended at the author's request at 9.30am (ET) on 12 July
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/12/trayvon-martin-female?CMP=twt_gu
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And this is why they lose all credibility.........
its bad form for her to post an opinion on her blog? That article wasn't on Slate or the NY Times, its a feminist blog pertaining to issues that affect black women.. now someone saw a provocative title and posted it here and you cats act like she betrayed the race.
Now if you want to DISCUSS what she raised then lets DISCUSS the issue if you want to call her a bunch a bitches and have a circle jerk on why you hate black feminists then why bother?
and none of that STILL has nothing to do with the thread topic...
for those who don't know what it is:
An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:
Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.
The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).
your welcome
that true except that your penis can get you access to places her vagina can't even tho you BOTH are black. IE you got the right to vote before she did. No one questions why its necessary to have a penis to pull a lever in a booth...oh well thats just what it is
and its that "that's just what it is" that they take issue with..
In my observation only two types of people ever say that phrase
A person not affected by the thing or issue, theyre life isn't interrupted in any way so they just don't give a shit.
and a person so broken by it they just gave up and accepted it as a way of life.
For example slavery...for the person not enslaved if asked if bondage and oppression is wrong they may agree or concede that its not right BUT they aren't the ones that have to deal with that so at their core they really just don't give a shit.
And a broken slave whose parents where slave and children are slaves thats all they know and can't see any way to change to they just acclimate.
but for those who question or challenge the status quo they are ostracized for even raising the question.
yeah she made a point in a provocative manner but then thats what people tend to do when they feel theyve been ignored any other time isn't it?
on your list you say TALK but WHEN do we do that?? In a conversation that doesn't dissolve into name calling and personal attacks?
This topic has been raised before and it was summarily dismissed as so much nonsense.. okay keep dismissing it and you'll keep seeing more inappropriate, improper things done to bring attention to the issue...
Here's my issue with you, Geech: you're going all in on the "Whoa is them" angle, and it's simply not accurate. You'd hurriedly agree that we BM have access to things that BW don't, and you pretend to be blind to the fact that they have access that we don't, even in the workplace in some cases. Again, you're willing to fall on the sword with no questions asked, and we're not. Talking about what we're doing wrong, and ONLY that, ain't gonna solve a thing. Anytime 2 groups get together to discuss the foibles of ONLY one group and not the other, it NEVER works. Also, the fact that you're unwilling to admit that this particular blog was in poor taste, shows that you're being disingenuous. If this is an attack, then so be it.
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Honestly this thread should have ended here:
It's not a fact that real black men aren't empathetic to the struggles our women are faced with. Most real black men are understanding enough and smart enough to know that their pain is OUR pain as well.
(this is why I find it difficult to understand how any person of color, especially black/brown, can be in a relationship with a white person, but that's another topic)
My thing is, using the death of Eric Garner and the circumstances surrounding his death to push a feminist agenda and bash black men (using accusations and claims with no factual support, mind you) is just wrong....
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Using the tragic and completely unrelated death of a person to bolster your argument that black men don't support black women. That's some real low shit.
It's not a fact that real black men aren't empathetic to the struggles our women are faced with. Most real black men are understanding enough and smart enough to know that their pain is OUR pain as well.
(this is why I find it difficult to understand how any person of color, especially black/brown, can be in a relationship with a white person, but that's another topic)
My thing is, using the death of Eric Garner and the circumstances surrounding his death to push a feminist agenda and bash black men (using accusations and claims with no factual support, mind you) is just wrong....
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LoneStar29
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This is the thing though Bills
@ the bolded, YOU as a black man acknowledge that sort of stuff
MOST bm do NOT
The sooner you realize you are in the minority the better
Most bm are like cub, ex etc. They dont give a fuck about what affects us at all
then you have dudes on here like sammy, code etc who claim to care for bw, but wont even acknowledge in any way the issues that affect us like the beauty standards, being abandoned by bm etc. No matter how many times they hear it from bw, they dismiss it
THAT is what she is talking about
bm dismiss any issue that affects bw if that issue doesn't affect you all as well ... issues like beauty standards etc
YOU are not the norm when it comes to bm
YOU identify with and relate to and care for bw in a way that a lot of other bm do not
Most of these dudes wont acknowledge anything that we experience unless its something that could happen to them too
In terms of beauty, society etc all the things that affect Only us, most bm don't give a fuck about since it doesn't directly affect them
But I totally agree that Geech being in this conversation is stupid. He isn't into bw in any way romantically so I don't get why he always feels the need to be a voice for us. Ignore him. I don't ever take him seriously. WTGGT used to think he was on our side for real. I nipped that shit in the bud QUICK rotflmao
Nice.
Why should we as black men go out of our way to acknowledge your feelings?
I know that BW go through shit I can't understand, and I go through shit they wouldn't understand, but I'm not expecting these women to relate to my struggle nor am I making campaigns about "rape culture" or objectification. (btw -There is no rape culture. Thats really a shaming label invented to ignore the backlash against political correctness and feminism.)
What ever it is BW feel they are experiencing - why cant they just deal with it, work through it and grow stronger?
you don't know anything about me so fuck what you think even as I defend your right to think it, say and act on it...
mother fuck you lonestar..take it and grow on it..
I said the article was provocative (that tends to be in poor taste) but there must have been a reason for that and why not explore what that reason is?
There is a lot of time when black women are victims and it goes un heard, there are times they are victims and it gets reported, shit there are plenty of times where they lied, got sympathy ruining the life of a black man.. But how many times have you seen a black woman get choked to death on camera and not have the black man first in line to protest.
Stop weary the sorry me , victim hat all the time, 24 -7 and you will stop percieving black male victims as rivals for attention.
Stop weary the sorry me , victim hat all the time, 24 -7 and you will stop percieving black male victims as rivals for attention.
LoneStar29
Banned
Lmao
I thank you for proving my point
And I agree totally that bw shouldnt look to bm for shit
We can handle our own
just dont complain when bw treat you the same way
And just like i said. There are no black male privileges
The only shit you said is my penis allowed me to vote before her vagina
The last i checked having a penis is not exclusive to black men
Try all you might
It doesn't exist
Admit that then both can go forward
If not stay outright lying
And you proved what i said wasn't an attack
You really did make the thread
You really did say you'd allow a white woman to call you nigga
You really do post nothing but trashy,ass white bitches aa the source of your sexual fantasies
And
All of that is relevant because you acting like you the champion of black women
But aside.from talking about them on here
You want nothing to do with them
Just like the white women you love dearly
You're not qualified to discuss this shit
You are speaking from a white woman feminist perspective.
LoneStar29
Banned
That's why I said stand with the ones that do instead of focusing on the ones that don't
Only way to build is together
LoneStar29
Banned
Why shouldn't we lol
We are the men
We hear their concerns talk about em handle what we can
They got nobody but us
We should work with care for and protect them
That doesn't mean every woman
It means there are great ones that we're not taking care of
We are the leaders
Smh
The whole every man woman for himself is eurocentric philosophy
That ain't us or where we come from
And that goes for every place there ever was
Ever
Go back and Europe is the only place it's like this...the way we are now
That ain't us or where we come from
And that goes for every place there ever was
Ever
Go back and Europe is the only place it's like this...the way we are now
All it takes is one, you ballin right nowI do stand by yall... all 3 of you
And I said (that you cut out) that male privilege is the underlying issue and I'll agree that maybe they should stop calling it black male privilege but you don't deny that male privilege exists.
yeah I made the thread (and bump it periodically) so thats not going to make me run and hide.
Yeah I said under certain circumstances during intense sex she could probably get away with it...so what that has nothing to do with the thread topic.
No I've posted pics and porn with black and latino and asian women as well..you just see what you want to see.
You have no idea how I relate to black women in real life just as I have no idea what you do (nor do I care) when youre not on bgol so gtfoh with that bullshit.
I'm as qualified as you are to post my opinion on a message board about any given topic so gtfoh with that bullshit.
How would you know what a white woman feminist perspective is..
LoneStar29
Banned
Lmaoooooooo so silly lol
Your sig offends me
I do stand by yall
YEAH. Spit on us . . . . and call us SCUM. Yeah!
Why use this man's name to get attention for your completely unrelated cause? If Kim Kardashian killed her baby, they could have written the same article, but put Kim's name in the opening paragraph. If your cause is legit, you don't need to do stuff like this
Don't do it!
Everybody here should look at this video.
Because it clearly shows how Eric Garner should've acted.
But really some things should just be common sense.
You DON'T try to resist arrest or fight with cops.
Telling cops to "Leave Me Alone" or "Don't Touch Me" will NEVER work on them.
Instead of selling loose cigarettes, he could've put that time/effort into working at the local Family Dollar/Walmart.
It's tragic that he died but if he used some common sense he'd still be alive.
He's a cac
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_v._Ohio
Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), was a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court which held that the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures is not violated when a police officer stops a suspect on the street and frisks him or her without probable cause to arrest, if the police officer has a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime and has a reasonable belief that the person "may be armed and presently dangerous."[1]
For their own protection, police may perform a quick surface search of the person’s outer clothing for weapons if they have reasonable suspicion that the person stopped is armed. This reasonable suspicion must be based on "specific and articulable facts" and not merely upon an officer's hunch. This permitted police action has subsequently been referred to in short as a "stop and frisk," or simply a "Terry frisk". The Terry standard was later extended to temporary detentions of persons in vehicles, known as traffic stops; see Terry stop for a summary of subsequent jurisprudence.
This a key court case that police use to justify detaining you such as stop and frisk.
Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), was a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court which held that the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures is not violated when a police officer stops a suspect on the street and frisks him or her without probable cause to arrest, if the police officer has a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime and has a reasonable belief that the person "may be armed and presently dangerous."[1]
For their own protection, police may perform a quick surface search of the person’s outer clothing for weapons if they have reasonable suspicion that the person stopped is armed. This reasonable suspicion must be based on "specific and articulable facts" and not merely upon an officer's hunch. This permitted police action has subsequently been referred to in short as a "stop and frisk," or simply a "Terry frisk". The Terry standard was later extended to temporary detentions of persons in vehicles, known as traffic stops; see Terry stop for a summary of subsequent jurisprudence.
This a key court case that police use to justify detaining you such as stop and frisk.
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