The ‘Would You Trade Wiggins for Love?’ Shootaround
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his upside is he may be more than "just" an allstar...he could be the next face of the league
possible, but I'm skeptical on young players right out of NCAA. I personally wouldn't look at any player coming out of the NCAA as a franchise player. I could be wrong with Wiggins, but I doubt it, his play with Kansas wasn't to impressive, Jabari Parker from Duke in my opinion was better than Wiggins.
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I do it only if Kevin opts in even then it's still sketchy
I do it only if Kevin opts in even then it's still sketchy
Love is not better than Blake, maybe a better shooter but all around not better.
Blake is a better jumper. That's it.
No they won't because unlike Arison, Gilbert doesn't give a quarter of a fuck about the luxury tax.
You said it, so that must mean they win a chip.
You clearly have no clue as to what you are speaking on.
Irving shoots damn near 40 percent from 3. Waiters is at 37 percent and improved every year. Lebron is around 37 percent. They have Miller. Bennett has shown the ability to shoot from 18-20ft. He just needs his confidence back and then will start hitting the open looks he gets. Wiggins step back is the real deal.
Tristan and Andy are the only people on the team who can't shoot. But Andy and Lebron can pick and roll a team to death.
Irving and Waiters couldn't play together because Irving is a diva and Waiters didn't like the horseshit. Lebron will end all that shit. Waiters won't have to be the one trying to check Irving in the locker room. Lebron will do it.
Waiters don't have to take less shots unless they bring on Love. Irving should be the one cutting down. Save that Westbrook horseshit for Westbrook. Fortunately, Lebron isn't Durant and will check Irving. Look for Irving to dish more. That will end the clash of Waiters/Irving. It's no longer Irving's show. It's Lebron's. Waiters has to love that(he has the talent to adapt the game).
Wiggins now plays Waiters' role off the bench. If Waiters was capable of 14 as a rookie, I see no reason why Wiggins can't do it.
Cavs can just wait this out.
I would be willing to bet Klay doesnt want to be in Minnesota. whats more if Wiggins does end up giving you some points and good defense you will have even more trading options open
Cavs going about this all wrong
this.
lots of college 'superstars' have flopped. love is proven... and that's after NOT being close to a superstar in college.
he was just big and above average for a white dude.
I thought he was crazy when he came out after 1 year.
I wouldn't go that far, but I will say, they would have to give too many parts to get love, that when they are done, G.S. may look more like the Wolves and the Minnesota more like GS.
They better not trade Wiggins until he get a chance to play with LB. There is a trade deadline, so I would hold off until then.
Even if Wiggins doesn't do so well early in the season, I still wouldn't trade Love for him.
Even if Wiggins doesn't do so well early in the season, I still wouldn't trade Love for him.
Back on the subject of Love on the Cavs, the more I think about it the more sense it makes..
Check out this comparison..
Love and Duncan similar style of play almost identical.
Thompson and Leonard both have freakish type bodies, Thompson is very young and next year may be his breakout season.
Ginobili and Parker Irving and Waiters, similar type of backcourt players
Splinter and Varejao both hustlers who can get the job done.
Now you throw in LeBron into the mix..
Well on paper it looks like a perfect blueprint, the challenge would be getting that young bunch to buy into the selfless team first, high I Q system the Spurs run.
In order for that to happen you need a few vets like Love, LeBron, Miller, Jones and perhaps Ray Allen.
Check out this comparison..
Love and Duncan similar style of play almost identical.
Thompson and Leonard both have freakish type bodies, Thompson is very young and next year may be his breakout season.
Ginobili and Parker Irving and Waiters, similar type of backcourt players
Splinter and Varejao both hustlers who can get the job done.
Now you throw in LeBron into the mix..
Well on paper it looks like a perfect blueprint, the challenge would be getting that young bunch to buy into the selfless team first, high I Q system the Spurs run.
In order for that to happen you need a few vets like Love, LeBron, Miller, Jones and perhaps Ray Allen.
Also, Wiggins playing with LB is only an upside. Bron is known to make his teammates better, so Wiggins may have a quick growth spurt in NBA playing ability. Truth be told, it's not like Love has a dramatic difference in NBA playoff experience in comparison to Wiggins. Love is a regular season kat. We don't know what would happen to Love deep in the playoffs.
At some point they simply won't be able to add players other than veteran minimum guys. Miami wasn't going to be able to make trades because they dind't have anybody. Big name free agents aren't going to Cleveland. They need to build through the draft as much as much as possible because they won't be terrible enough to get a high draft pick for a long time.
No they don't Rage. I 5000% disagree with any similarities or comparisons between Duncan and Love. Love is not a center piece type of player. At best he is a nice companion to a superstar.
What I do agree with is your last statement though. Having LB and Love with some solid vets would be a good blueprint.
They will not need to do too much to get out the East (although the Heat are making some good moves), but championship wise they will need speed, quickness and a TEAM.
I usually vaulue players skillset wise, because being a center piece often factors in several intangible variables, mainly who you are surrounding your center piece with and what system they are running. But skill set wise, the closest comparison I can compare Love with is Duncan. They both do a lot of the same things on the court, just that Duncan is a much better defender/shot blocker , while Love is a better rebounder.
Of course Love is better offensively, now.
Nobody is intimidated of Love. Yes he put's up good numbers, especially in rebounding, but he is a work horse on a half-ass team.
Plus lets not minimize the impact of defensive superiority that Duncan has over Love, even now.
A better comparison to love is Al Jefferson.
Nobody is intimidated of Love. Yes he put's up good numbers, especially in rebounding, but he is a work horse on a half-ass team.
Plus lets not minimize the impact of defensive superiority that Duncan has over Love, even now.
A better comparison to love is Al Jefferson.
Are we actually trying to compare Kevin Love to Tim Duncan?
Is that what I'm reading?
Is that what I'm reading?
Cavs will regret trading wiggins who has a higher ceiling than love.
Go ahead Cleveland make it happen
Especially how injury pron love is but nobody mentioning that and nobody mentioning love is going to cost the cavs a shit load of money when wiggins will only cost them nothing for the first 3-5 yrs
Go ahead Cleveland make it happen
Especially how injury pron love is but nobody mentioning that and nobody mentioning love is going to cost the cavs a shit load of money when wiggins will only cost them nothing for the first 3-5 yrs
Fuck that you make the trade ASAP!!!!!!! I'm going by the trend I see.
Kansas players drafted since Danny Manning in 88:
Andrew Wiggins, Joel Embiid, Jeff Withey, Ben McLemore, Tyshawn Taylor, Thomas Robinson, Marcus Morris, Markieff Morris, Josh Selby, Cole Aldrich, Xavier Henry, Brandon Rush, J.R. Giddens, Darrell Arthur, Mario Chalmers, Sasha Kaun, Darnell Jackson, Julian Wright, Wayne Simien, Kirk Hinrich, Nick Collison, Drew Gooden, Eric Chenowith, Ryan Robertson, Raef LaFrentz, Paul Pierce, Jacque Vaughn, Scot Pollard, Ben Davis, Greg Ostertag, Darrin Hancock, Rex Walters, Adonis Jordan, Mark Randall, Kevin Pritchard, Danny Manning
UCLA players drafted since Reggie Miller in 87:
Kyle Anderson, Jordan Adams, Zach Lavine, Shabazz Muhammad, Malcolm Lee, Tyler Honeycutt, Jrue Holiday, Darren Collison, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, Luc Mbah a Moute, Arron Afflalo, Jordan Farmar, Ryan Hollins, Dijon Thompson, Trevor Ariza, Jason Kapono, Dan Gadzuric, Matt Barnes, Earl Watson, Jerome Moiso, Baron Davis, Toby Bailey, Jelani McCoy, J.R. Henderson, Charles O'Bannon, George Zidek, Ed O'Bannon, Tyus Edney, Richard Petruska, Tracy Murray, Don MacLean, Greg Foster, Trevor Wilson, Pooh Richardson, Corey Gaines, Reggie Miller
Only the guys in bold are worth a shit to me. As you can see UCLA good players turn out better. Yes UCLA success in the NBA has happened more over the past 10 years and I'm a UCLA fan but don't pay attention to those things lol.
Kansas players drafted since Danny Manning in 88:
Andrew Wiggins, Joel Embiid, Jeff Withey, Ben McLemore, Tyshawn Taylor, Thomas Robinson, Marcus Morris, Markieff Morris, Josh Selby, Cole Aldrich, Xavier Henry, Brandon Rush, J.R. Giddens, Darrell Arthur, Mario Chalmers, Sasha Kaun, Darnell Jackson, Julian Wright, Wayne Simien, Kirk Hinrich, Nick Collison, Drew Gooden, Eric Chenowith, Ryan Robertson, Raef LaFrentz, Paul Pierce, Jacque Vaughn, Scot Pollard, Ben Davis, Greg Ostertag, Darrin Hancock, Rex Walters, Adonis Jordan, Mark Randall, Kevin Pritchard, Danny Manning
UCLA players drafted since Reggie Miller in 87:
Kyle Anderson, Jordan Adams, Zach Lavine, Shabazz Muhammad, Malcolm Lee, Tyler Honeycutt, Jrue Holiday, Darren Collison, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, Luc Mbah a Moute, Arron Afflalo, Jordan Farmar, Ryan Hollins, Dijon Thompson, Trevor Ariza, Jason Kapono, Dan Gadzuric, Matt Barnes, Earl Watson, Jerome Moiso, Baron Davis, Toby Bailey, Jelani McCoy, J.R. Henderson, Charles O'Bannon, George Zidek, Ed O'Bannon, Tyus Edney, Richard Petruska, Tracy Murray, Don MacLean, Greg Foster, Trevor Wilson, Pooh Richardson, Corey Gaines, Reggie Miller
Only the guys in bold are worth a shit to me. As you can see UCLA good players turn out better. Yes UCLA success in the NBA has happened more over the past 10 years and I'm a UCLA fan but don't pay attention to those things lol.
What if this is Miami Heat part 2?
Meaning, both Kyrie and Love (a la Bosh & Wade) were both putting up big numbers being the #1 option on their respected "mediocre" teams. But then LBJ came along and they regressed some (cause three #1's had to get the ball), LBJ had to carry them more times than not and the Heat had to take all kind of back alleys to win two titles.
Think about what I typed, we can argue about Love and Kyrie being younger,,,,,but can u really say for sure that theyre more consistent or efficient than Wade and Bosh was when they FIRST joined LBJ?
Will Love just turn into a Noah; score 12 garbage points every once in a while..but mainly be a 20 a game rebounder? Will Kyrie have to turn into a Rondo? Then who wil help LBJ with the scoring?
Kyrie and Love never had to SHARE with a player like LBJ. They had to carry the weight like LBJ. Remember, we're basically talking about OFFENSE. Cause defensively that team would stil be lacking a little even if they added Love.
Just some thing to think about. The Cavs would look like one of the best teams on paper if this happens, a la Miami, but itlill still be an experiment until its proven to be something else.
Meaning, both Kyrie and Love (a la Bosh & Wade) were both putting up big numbers being the #1 option on their respected "mediocre" teams. But then LBJ came along and they regressed some (cause three #1's had to get the ball), LBJ had to carry them more times than not and the Heat had to take all kind of back alleys to win two titles.
Think about what I typed, we can argue about Love and Kyrie being younger,,,,,but can u really say for sure that theyre more consistent or efficient than Wade and Bosh was when they FIRST joined LBJ?
Will Love just turn into a Noah; score 12 garbage points every once in a while..but mainly be a 20 a game rebounder? Will Kyrie have to turn into a Rondo? Then who wil help LBJ with the scoring?
Kyrie and Love never had to SHARE with a player like LBJ. They had to carry the weight like LBJ. Remember, we're basically talking about OFFENSE. Cause defensively that team would stil be lacking a little even if they added Love.
Just some thing to think about. The Cavs would look like one of the best teams on paper if this happens, a la Miami, but itlill still be an experiment until its proven to be something else.
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If it's the Miami Heat part 2 the Cavs would take that in a heartbeat
We are talking about a team with no titles and only 1 finals appearance
2 titles and 4 finals appearances in a 4 year span any team in the NBA is taking that right now
Any team
Okay, now check this out.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/warriors/...-over-wiggins-love-trade?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Report: T'Wolves prefer Thompson over Wiggins in Love trade
If the Cavaliers are really willing to trade Andrew Wiggins for Kevin Love, the deal should be completed soon.
The Timberwolves can take advantage of LeBron James’ desire to play with Love and get phenomenal return for a player who might walk in a year.
It’s a no-brainer.
Unless… (It goes to a video from here. Clink the lank)
http://www.csnbayarea.com/warriors/...-over-wiggins-love-trade?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Report: T'Wolves prefer Thompson over Wiggins in Love trade
If the Cavaliers are really willing to trade Andrew Wiggins for Kevin Love, the deal should be completed soon.
The Timberwolves can take advantage of LeBron James’ desire to play with Love and get phenomenal return for a player who might walk in a year.
It’s a no-brainer.
Unless… (It goes to a video from here. Clink the lank)
It's being reported that the Wolves prefer Klay to Wiggins. Supposedly, because Klay is ready now. 
Pull the fucking trigger already.
Pull the fucking trigger already.
It's being reported that the Wolves prefer Klay to Wiggins. Supposedly, because Klay is ready now.
We posted at the same time.
We posted at the same time.
wow
Klay is "ready now" but what does that really mean though?
Either way the Wolves ain't about to make no noise anytime soon
Take the better prospect
Either way the Wolves ain't about to make no noise anytime soon
Take the better prospect
Do it!!
It might haunt them.
Fuck Gilbert
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