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Spider swear the heat are the biggest losers in free agency.. Nigga keep telling himself that but everyone sees it's Houston hands down lmaooo

exactly.....no one gives a shit if the Heat don t win for the next 5 years.....

they ve accomplished what they set out to do.....period...
 
But they are set up to be able to offer a max contract next year. So it was a bad offseason this year, but we have option. Just be patient.

Bruh yall are going from 5th in the West (at one point yall were 3rd) to now probably sitting at 8th....with no bench.....
 
But they are set up to be able to offer a max contract next year. So it was a bad offseason this year, but we have option. Just be patient.

Offer a max contract to who? Honestly, they would've done better planning for 2 years from now like Bron is when the cap is expected to be 80 million. Y'all gonna be in the same boat next year where a guy is gonna have to settle for 14 or 15 million a year for 4 years or get a max deal 120+ million for 5 years.
 
The Detroit Pistons and DJ Augustin have reportedly reached a deal worth $6 million over two years

Look like the Bulls may have the weakest set of PGs in the league now with handicapped D Rose and Kurtis :lol:
 
Spider swear the heat are the biggest losers in free agency.. Nigga keep telling himself that but everyone sees it's Houston hands down lmaooo

I didn't say anything but defend my team the one I been riding with since day one. No bandwagon team hopping here.

You guys lost LeBron and lost the chance for "not one not two not three not four five six seven......" chips because your owner was a liar and your GM FUCKED up.

And still when u have the best player in the world and you lose him you're the biggest loser in the off season PERIOD.

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Offer a max contract to who? Honestly, they would've done better planning for 2 years from now like Bron is when the cap is expected to be 80 million. Y'all gonna be in the same boat next year where a guy is gonna have to settle for 14 or 15 million a year for 4 years or get a max deal 120+ million for 5 years.


Well you can't disband the team and cry because you struck out :lol:

Fuck it. You made mistakes. Get back up and take some more cuts.
 
I didn't say anything but defend my team the one I been riding with since day one. No bandwagon team hopping here.

You guys lost LeBron and lost the chance for "not one not two not three not four five six seven......" chips because your owner was a liar and your GM FUCKED up.

And still when u have the best player in the world and you lose him you're the biggest loser in the off season PERIOD.

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Hard to disagree with this. Heat could have 3 working on 6 right now. But the cheap owner fucked up. Should have been like Gilbert and the Russian. Approached Riley like.... :hmm: "how much for me to buy a ring?" The shit should have happened LAST summer.

Bosh supposed to take a $7 million per year pay cut? Bron supposed to give up maybe $5 a year. Wade supposed to give up $10 million per. Free agents supposed to take cuts. But a cat worth $6 billion won't cough up 10s of millions in taxes and penalties.... :hmm: ....... :smh:

When the Wizards are beating them in the playoffs next year, Heat fans better not say shit.
 
Hard to disagree with this. Heat could have 3 working on 6 right now. But the cheap owner fucked up. Should have been like Gilbert and the Russian. Approached Riley like.... :hmm: "how much for me to buy a ring?" The shit should have happened LAST summer.

Bosh supposed to take a $7 million per year pay cut? Bron supposed to give up maybe $5 a year. Wade supposed to give up $10 million per. Free agents supposed to take cuts. But a cat worth $6 billion won't cough up 10s of millions in taxes and penalties.... :hmm: ....... :smh:

When the Wizards are beating them in the playoffs next year, Heat fans better not say shit.

Yeah but you dudes realize you can't just buy a ring right? :lol: Its nearly impossible in the NBA with a salary cap. The BEST you can hope for is to have a team full of overpaid, old, injury ridden veterans like the Nets. You can't buy a title though. If the salary cap gets to 80 million like they project? Shit can get UGLY. Teams literally can be a title as long as we don't keep giving veteran minimum guys 10 million a year contracts.

But as of now? Its impossible to buy a title. Even the Cavs payroll ain't shit. Got a team full of rookie contracts. Just impossible.

The Heat did what they could. They can't say they want talent when Bosh, Wade and Lebron taking up the majority of the cap space. Now they didn't use the mid-level. Now that shit right there is unbelievable. That's cheap as fuck and stuff like that you can't defend.
 
Hard to disagree with this. Heat could have 3 working on 6 right now. But the cheap owner fucked up. Should have been like Gilbert and the Russian. Approached Riley like.... :hmm: "how much for me to buy a ring?" The shit should have happened LAST summer.

Bosh supposed to take a $7 million per year pay cut? Bron supposed to give up maybe $5 a year. Wade supposed to give up $10 million per. Free agents supposed to take cuts. But a cat worth $6 billion won't cough up 10s of millions in taxes and penalties.... :hmm: ....... :smh:

When the Wizards are beating them in the playoffs next year, Heat fans better not say shit.

for a team like the Heat......what Arison would have had to pay on luxury penalties,....he would have made twice as much back in BRI.
fuckin idiot
 
I didn't say anything but defend my team the one I been riding with since day one. No bandwagon team hopping here.

You guys lost LeBron and lost the chance for "not one not two not three not four five six seven......" chips because your owner was a liar and your GM FUCKED up.

And still when u have the best player in the world and you lose him you're the biggest loser in the off season PERIOD.

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4 straight finals and 2 chips

Ain't nothing lost in that
 
4 straight finals and 2 chips

Ain't nothing lost in that

Honestly it's not. Under normal circumstances that's an AWESOME job.

But

When u go on TV hold a pep rally proclaiming that you're going to be a dynasty and win 7, 8, 9 chips in a row then 2 is not acceptable

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4 straight finals and 2 chips

Ain't nothing lost in that

Nigga, buy yourself a dozen donuts and sit yo ass down somewhere with your retarded logic. Niggas talkin about biggest loser in free agency and you steer the shit to about the days of glory's past.. Deflecting shit like john gotti.

..Instant Hell Murder..
 
Nigga, buy yourself a dozen donuts and sit yo ass down somewhere with your retarded logic. Niggas talkin about biggest loser in free agency and you steer the shit to about the days of glory's past.. Deflecting shit like john gotti.

..Instant Hell Murder..

Go back to your original screen name I don't address cowards who change their names to throw shots right VictorVega? Stop being a bitch
 
Yeah but you dudes realize you can't just buy a ring right? :lol: Its nearly impossible in the NBA with a salary cap. The BEST you can hope for is to have a team full of overpaid, old, injury ridden veterans like the Nets. You can't buy a title though. If the salary cap gets to 80 million like they project? Shit can get UGLY. Teams literally can be a title as long as we don't keep giving veteran minimum guys 10 million a year contracts.

But as of now? Its impossible to buy a title. Even the Cavs payroll ain't shit. Got a team full of rookie contracts. Just impossible.

The Heat did what they could. They can't say they want talent when Bosh, Wade and Lebron taking up the majority of the cap space. Now they didn't use the mid-level. Now that shit right there is unbelievable. That's cheap as fuck and stuff like that you can't defend.

You go over $10 - 11 million... you looking at $40 million in taxes and penalties. But that $10-11 could mean the difference between winning and losing -- especially when most owners will stay under.

The only owners I think would do it are Gilbert and the Russian. Never let a person(Gilbert) who said the spreadsheet don't dictate what your investment will get you negotiate an agreement.

And not for nothing, If the owner doesn't act like a cheap Jew(and then have his pet GM call folks cowards), Lebron doesn't go max. I truly believe that. Lebron is about legacy right now.
 
the world couldn't move until the king made his move.....

Don't know why folk don't understand that

Dude made up his mind, heat could've landed Gasol, Lowry and gortat OT wouldn't have mattered duke had his exit letter ready
 
You go over $10 - 11 million... you looking at $40 million in taxes and penalties. But that $10-11 could mean the difference between winning and losing -- especially when most owners will stay under.

The only owners I think would do it are Gilbert and the Russian. Never let a person(Gilbert) who said the spreadsheet don't dictate what your investment will get you negotiate an agreement.

And not for nothing, If the owner doesn't act like a cheap Jew(and then have his pet GM call folks cowards), Lebron doesn't go max. I truly believe that. Lebron is about legacy right now.

Yeah but you can't sign anyone and go over the cap. The NBA's salary cap is built to allow for certain teams to do well. They want small market teams to have a shot.

Look at the team the Russian has with the highest payroll? Knicks were up there last season too. The only way to essentially buy a championship is to trade for teams contracts that they don't want. Like a Joe Johnson.

Even when guys opt out like Lebron and co. did that money still counted against the Heat's salary cap so they essentially couldn't do shit unless they decided to let them go but then they couldn't re-sign them if they were over the cap.

Miami was exception. In this league the only truly way to get better is to draft well and fill in holes via free agency.

Even look at the Cavs. Bron going to the Cavs without Waiters, Wiggins and Irving there? They don't get them without all them #1's and actually hitting on them.

The only way the Heat could've been players in free agency was letting Wade go. That was the only way. If they had allowed for his salary to get off the cap they could've built a solid team around Bron and Bosh. Could've got one of these 2nd tier guys like a Gortat or Lowry and then rounded the roster out.
 
not sure whether this was posted, but it was a good read.

http://blogs.bulls.com/2014/07/the-big-three-to-debut-in-chicago/

The Bulls made a strong presentation and Anthony was intrigued, but it always was considered a long shot. Even after Anthony was hosted by the Bulls, associates close to him estimated the Bulls chances less than 50/50.

That’s because of the substantial difference in potential salary between the Knicks’ ability to offer about $125 million over five years and the Bulls closer to $75 million over four. Though the narrative was depicted as Anthony going for on court success or off court riches, Anthony was said to be equally concerned about making a long term commitment to the Bulls given the injury histories of Derrick Rose and Noah. Anthony saw his chances with the Knicks limited with injury to Amar’e Stoudemire. Plus, the addition of Phil Jackson to the front office, some recent personnel moves and the chance for substantial salary cap space next summer helped persuade Anthony the risk was too large to leave New York, where his family preferred to live. And Anthony was having second thoughts of not having a legacy city and going to a third team after LeBron James returned to Cleveland.

There always has to be intrigue in these things. And there may have been in the James/Anthony recruitments as well because of the timing. There was some question about why the decision making lasted so long given, especially James, seemed to know weeks ago what he wanted to do.

The talk around James supposedly was that James wanted to try to avoid a repeat of what he did in 2010. Not the TV show or rally, but the uniting of too strong a force. James wanted to remain in Cleveland in 2010, but he failed in several efforts to attract free agents, including Chris Bosh. So James understood he had to leave to win a championship, but he wanted to do it as quickly as possible. Thus, the merging of the three All-Stars with Dwyane Wade. They’d get to the Finals the first season and win twice.

James understood going back to Cleveland was no such uniting even with the talented Kyrie Irving. Though he also knew that roster still was better than Miami’s with the injury decline of Wade. So, the rumors go, James held out as long as he could to try to have as many teams and players make prior commitments. Thus, it would be too difficult for teams to do sign and trade deals or have multiple players form alliances with one team like he did in Miami. That’s why that uniting went more quickly back in 2010. The scenario is perhaps apocryphal, though with Anthony returning to New York and Houston losing out on Bosh, there are no so called super teams left that could be a formidable roadblock to a Finals return for James.
 
Yeah but you can't sign anyone and go over the cap. The NBA's salary cap is built to allow for certain teams to do well. They want small market teams to have a shot.

Look at the team the Russian has with the highest payroll? Knicks were up there last season too. The only way to essentially buy a championship is to trade for teams contracts that they don't want. Like a Joe Johnson.

Even when guys opt out like Lebron and co. did that money still counted against the Heat's salary cap so they essentially couldn't do shit unless they decided to let them go but then they couldn't re-sign them if they were over the cap.

Miami was exception. In this league the only truly way to get better is to draft well and fill in holes via free agency.

Even look at the Cavs. Bron going to the Cavs without Waiters, Wiggins and Irving there? They don't get them without all them #1's and actually hitting on them.

The only way the Heat could've been players in free agency was letting Wade go. That was the only way. If they had allowed for his salary to get off the cap they could've built a solid team around Bron and Bosh. Could've got one of these 2nd tier guys like a Gortat or Lowry and then rounded the roster out.

That's true. But that's why you pay your front office and open up the check book. Lebron doesn't need that much to make shit happen, but you may end up with a $40 million or more hit after the taxes and penatlies.

Speaking of which, that could be Lebron's chess move. Opt out for less to help the roster(as long as Gilbert goes into tax to keep talent). People just assume it's to get more when the TV deal strikes. But getting more money don't help your legacy. Lebron is going to be making 10s of million per year after he stops playing.
 
KG not discouraged by loss of Pierce


By Mike Mazzeo | Special to ESPNNewYork.com Updated: July 13, 2014, 8:22 PM ET

Despite the loss of Paul Pierce via free agency, Kevin Garnett likes the direction of the Brooklyn Nets and is "excited" about joining them for the upcoming season, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard.

Garnett, who turned 38 in May, is due $12 million in 2014-15, which would be his 20th NBA season.

He has yet to publicly announce that he's playing this season, but all indications continue to point that way. On Saturday, a league source told ESPNNewYork.com that the Nets still expect Garnett to return.

Pierce elected to sign a two-year contract with the Washington Wizards for $11 million with a second-year player option, sources told ESPN.com.

Pierce and Garnett had been teammates since 2007-08. They won a championship together with the Boston Celtics.
 
That's true. But that's why you pay your front office and open up the check book. Lebron doesn't need that much to make shit happen, but you may end up with a $40 million or more hit after the taxes and penatlies.

Speaking of which, that could be Lebron's chess move. Opt out for less to help the roster(as long as Gilbert goes into tax to keep talent). People just assume it's to get more when the TV deal strikes. But getting more money don't help your legacy. Lebron is going to be making 10s of million per year after he stops playing.

Bron gonna be making 20-21 million a year in these 2 years. Not really gonna do much for them financially. They good though. Especially once Varajeo money comes off the books.

And to your point about front office opening the book...its only so much you can do. For instance what trade bait did the Heat have? When you have 3 guys who take all of your salary cap space and you don't want to get rid of any of them? The team was already filled with guys either A)other teams didn't want or B) old vets. There was no trade bait. Maybe Norris Cole? But what is a Norris Cole gonna net you? A late 1st rounder? Early 2nd rounder?
 
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