~*~2014 NBA OffSeason Thread - Free Agency Starts - 7/1 12am ~*~

Thought:

Could all of these heat role players, Birdman, Haslem, Cole, Chalmers, etc. play the way they played because of LeBron's presence?

I remember the Randy Browns, BJ Armstrongs, Paxons, Weddingtons, Longleys, etc. all being productive, but once Air bounced, you hardly heard a damn thing from any of them on the court...

Hopefully that's not the case, but you never know :idea:

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Cole is the only one with any upside. Birdman will be what he is a nice hustle player
 
Deng is my guy, but NIGGA PLEASE!!!
Them niggas got set back 5-10 years with the LBJ move.
By the time they taste the finals again...Wade wil be retired..maybe Bosh as well.

Sheeeit. The Heat won't get past Lebron for the next 5 years. After that, it will be the Parker/Wiggins show in the east. That cheap Jew could have had like 6 rings in a row down there and fucked up. :smh:
 
Sheeeit. The Heat won't get past Lebron for the next 5 years. After that, it will be the Parker/Wiggins show in the east. That cheap Jew could have had like 6 rings in a row down there and fucked up. :smh:

:lol: Cleveland better worry about indy and chi with them young bucks. if lance resigns, wiggins wont be able to handle the ear blows. I see suspensions in the future
 
Sheeeit. The Heat won't get past Lebron for the next 5 years. After that, it will be the Parker/Wiggins show in the east. That cheap Jew could have had like 6 rings in a row down there and fucked up. :smh:

Miami's team is looking stronger than the Cavs current team.

You putting faith in Wiggins who was not even the best player in college and underachieved.
 
But you can go over to sign your own players, correct?

Yes and no

Deng Contract would have been 10 million a year.

To sign Deng.... Lebron, Wade and Bosh would have needed to opt out in which they did.

Then you would need to decide if you want to operate as a team above the cap or a team under the cap.

Operating above the cap you can keep the bird rights to you own free agents. Then you could use MLE and Biannual Exception to sign players. Going this route will prevent you from going over the NBA hard cap of 81 million but will allow you to sign your own players back and exceed the 63 million cap.

Lebron 22 million
Wade 22
Bosh 22

The reason I list those are because of the cap holds

Adding Deng puts Miami at 76 million and only would have 5 million left because remember in this scenerio you cant go above the 81 million hard cap. There would not be enough money to fill out the rest of the roster.
 
:lol: Cleveland better worry about indy and chi with them young bucks. if lance resigns, wiggins wont be able to handle the ear blows. I see suspensions in the future

Wiggins too laid back. Waiters will end up catching a case behind that shit though. I think Lebron's presence should help with Waiters attitude -- hopefully. Waiters is a 20pt per game machine waiting to happen.
 
Miami's team is looking stronger than the Cavs current team.

You putting faith in Wiggins who was not even the best player in college and underachieved.

No. I actually like Waiters. He can create his own shot and has 40 percent 3 potential. Anything Wiggins give is just a bonus, but he will thrive playing with Lebron. He won't have too much pressure on him.

Bennett is still a wild card. He had range on his jumper in college. All he needs is confidence. He looked good today.

Irving is going to roast cats. Tristan is decent double double guy. Andy -- if healthy -- provides much needed energy.

Lebron is like a power up to all those cats.
 
Yes and no

Deng Contract would have been 10 million a year.

To sign Deng.... Lebron, Wade and Bosh would have needed to opt out in which they did.

Then you would need to decide if you want to operate as a team above the cap or a team under the cap.

Operating above the cap you can keep the bird rights to you own free agents. Then you could use MLE and Biannual Exception to sign players. Going this route will prevent you from going over the NBA hard cap of 81 million but will allow you to sign your own players back and exceed the 63 million cap.

Lebron 22 million
Wade 22
Bosh 22

The reason I list those are because of the cap holds

Adding Deng puts Miami at 76 million and only would have 5 million left because remember in this scenerio you cant go above the 81 million hard cap. There would not be enough money to fill out the rest of the roster.

But Wade and Bosh were taking cuts. Bosh @ 15 and Wade @ 10 or so. Bron @ 22. So that's 47.
 
Miami's team is looking stronger than the Cavs current team.

You putting faith in Wiggins who was not even the best player in college and underachieved.

Not sure about that chief. Not sure what you are going to get from Wade, Granger or McRoberts, You get destroyed in the PG comparison and whatever position LeBron is playing at the time.
The only clear cut advantage you have is Bosh, and thats IF he returns to Toronto form, and maybe Wiggins' game translated better to the NBA style than college. Evaluating a player based on what they did in college is overrated as hell, I know, had to watch Evan Turners ass for years...
 
But Wade and Bosh were taking cuts. Bosh @ 15 and Wade @ 10 or so. Bron @ 22. So that's 47.

Until they actually signed a contract, their cap hold would be at the salary they'd have if they had not opted out.

The heat were stuck in no man's land really. They needed the main guys to sign at reduced rates in order to know how much they had to spend on free agents, and even with those cuts they'd have to hope that quality free agents would take pay cuts as well in order to fill out the roster.

I feel like the contract offer to Gordon Hayward by Charlotte was made to help break up the heat. Think about it. Jordan is a gambler. Utah would most likely match any contract for Hayward. He produced (the team sucked though), and they could see potential. They're not a free agent destination, they have to draft their talent and can't afford to risk losing potential franchise guys.

That contract meant that no one who can get a max would take a pay cut. It dictated the market. Can you imagine an NBA where Gordon Hayward get's a max and Lebron doesn't in the same offseason?
 
What the fools really regret is letting him out of the team option at 900k. That was an absolutely horrendous move from jump. I don't care how they try to justify it. Even more horrendous with this result.

They badly miscalculated the market. They didn't think a team was going to offer him max money. :smh:

Exactly

On that bullshit trying to get a star and shit even then you can trade Parsons and that 900k of need be!!

I haven't seen fuckery like that since the Cavs let Boozer out of basically the same deal as a 2nd rounder and he bailed on them to Utah :lol:

I remember that shit. That was dirty.

What is crazy if that if Boozer falls into our lap we may field a better team then last year

:hmm:

I wish I could just block your ass from sports threads
 
Correct

But Heat fans have been talking around that fact this whole thread

Sign some players and then go over the cap to bring back your own guys

Mark Cuban punk ass scared to do it too

Nope. McRoberts got the MLE. Granger got the minimum.

They literally couldn't sign anyone else until they signed Lebron. Lebron signing would have Bosh and Wade fall into place and have the Heat with a clear picture of what they had to get free agents.

The heat were fucked without massive pay cuts.
 
Very good read. He speaks how he felt lebron would leave and knew something was up


BOSH PHONE INTERVIEW

Miami Heat forward Chris Bosh said he has "no bitter feelings" toward LeBron James following James' decision to return to the Cleveland Cavaliers.

"We're going to be brothers regardless," Bosh told ESPN.com in a phone interview on Saturday. "No bitter feelings, man. It's all love."

On Friday afternoon, Bosh was standing on a basketball court in Ghana 5,000 miles away from Miami when his cell phone buzzed with a text message from James.

After four years together, James informed Bosh and Dwyane Wade separately that the four-time MVP would leave the Heat to return home to the Cavaliers.

James' decision came as a surprise, but Bosh didn't have much time to react while he was working a basketball camp with NBA Africa. Even though the run with James in Miami is over, Bosh won't be holding a grudge against James.

For Bosh, Plan A all along was to return to Miami with James, Wade and Bosh and try to reach the NBA Finals together for a fifth straight time, but with James heading elsewhere, it was on to Plan B. And that didn't take long to take shape.

Moments after receiving James' text, the Heat offered Bosh a maximum contract worth $118 million over five years, something that wasn't on the table at the start of free agency. The Heat had competition. After considering "strong" offers from multiple teams, including the Houston Rockets, Denver Nuggets, Phoenix Suns and Los Angeles Lakers, Bosh ultimately decided to return to the Heat later that night.

"[There were] very enticing offers," Bosh said. "There was some surprising advances made in everything, but I ultimately decided to stay in Miami. I think it was the right choice. I benefit from it, the team will benefit from it, from here. My heart was in Miami. I wanted to be there and keep my family there and build relationships and really keep building on something special."

Bosh, 30, will be under contract with the Heat through the end of the 2018-19 season, when he will be 35 years old.

This was a family decision for James, and it was no different for Bosh, who lives in Miami Beach with his wife and two young children. Bosh strongly considered leaving to take Houston's four-year, $88 million offer to join a championship contender, but, contrary to reports, Bosh insists it was never a Houston-or-Miami proposition.

"We're all making decisions to make ourselves happy and our families happy," Bosh said of his and James' decision. "That doesn't take away what we've done together and the special bond that we created and the special bond that we have and just all the memories that we had together. That will never change. As you move forward, you appreciate those moments and keep going forward."

Going forward, the Heat will build around Bosh, along with new signees Luol Deng, Danny Granger and Josh McRoberts, the latter two Heat president Pat Riley signed before James announced his decision. Deng agreed to terms on a two-year, $20 million contract Sunday that will give him a player option in the second year.

Wade has yet to re-sign with Miami, but all indications point to his return to the team after he opted out of his contract and turned away from two years and $42 million that were left on his deal.

Bosh and Wade have had discussions about leading the team back to title contention without James. Bosh believes the Heat will remain title contenders as long as they keep adding pieces to the supporting cast.

"I think right now we have the correct infrastructure to compete for a championship," Bosh said. "We have to get much better at certain positions, and there's a bunch of things that have to continue to happen. But you know a team like the Spurs, they had a lot of guys that people underestimate, but as a team, they were outstanding.

It all starts with Bosh and Wade being leaders to a younger team that features Norris Cole, first-round draft pick Shabazz Napier and possibly 2013 draft pick James Ennis, who has been impressive as a wing player in this year's summer league. Starting point guard Mario Chalmers will also return, after reportedly agreeing to a two-year deal.

Wade and Bosh have to retake the leadership position with James out the picture.

"I think over these few years, Dwyane and I have developed a bond as well," Bosh said. "I think that's going to really help us going forward."

Next season figures to be much different for Bosh. Bosh is set to be the focal point of the Heat's offense, a role he hasn't been assigned since he left Toronto. Last season he averaged just 12.1 field goal attempts per game, and his usage rate (percentage of team possessions used either by field goal, free throw or turnover) was its lowest in about a decade (22.6 percent).

In late June, Bosh met with James and Wade for lunch in Miami Beach, but no specific plans were discussed. That meeting was when Bosh first seriously considered that James might part ways. Without talking about a plan to reconvene, Bosh understood the three stars would not be making their free-agency plans in concert.

But, even still, Bosh downplayed the significance of the meeting as a turning point.

"That's what I want people to understand: That wasn't like a top-secret meeting," Bosh said. "We're friends. It was just friends having lunch. It wasn't what everybody thought it was. It was more so all of us being able to come together and have a nice lunch without having to talk about the madness that was about to happen."

According to Bosh, James stayed mum about his future over that lunch. There was no grand plan or discussion about how many years they might want to sign for. It was clear, coming out of that meeting, that they would decide their future separately. Ultimately, James took a two-year deal with Cleveland while Bosh re-upped for five.

Even though no terms were discussed over lunch, Bosh could feel something was up. The Big Three era might be over in Miami.

"It was more collectively, the body language," Bosh said. "It was more so what wasn't said. Nobody wanted to tire themselves out by trying to formulate a plan. Instead, we [were] going through making this decision separately. That was how it was supposed to be. We made our decision to come together separately, and [James] made his decision separately as well. We always have to do what's best for yourself."

Bosh heavily considered the Rockets situation playing next to James Harden and Dwight Howard.

"It was tough," Bosh said. "Houston was a real strong candidate. With me coming in there right away, we could be a championship contending team. [Rockets coach] Kevin McHale seems to be an excellent coach, and he gets along with his players."

Bosh ended up choosing family and familiarity. He'll have a much greater role offensively, a challenge he believes he's ready for after playing mostly outside of the spotlight the past four seasons.

Did Bosh miss being the alpha dog?

"I think sometimes you miss it," Bosh said. "You wonder if you can still do it and step up to the challenge. I haven't had to be that guy. I played with the best player in the world. I didn't have to be the alpha. But now, I get to see if I have it in me, and not many people are going to believe I have what's necessary. But that's what makes it exciting.

"You know, I'm not the same player that I was when I was 25, the last time I got to [be the No. 1 option]. I'm more mature, my game is more mature and I can do a bunch of things on and off the court to fully maximize this team's potential."

Bosh isn't lacking for confidence these days after receiving a max deal from the Heat. He insists he'll be playing with a chip on his shoulder, to disprove the doubters who say he can't lead a winning team as a No. 1 option.

When asked about who'd win a possible Cavs-Heat matchup on opening night, Bosh left no doubt where his head is at.

"Of course, we're going to win it," Bosh said. "And let me tell you something, nothing's going to change. If anything, I'm going to have a bigger chip on my shoulder. Maybe people in Miami really don't know that side of me, but I want something more than just to compete. I believe in our ability, no matter who I'm playing with. You ask me 10 times, 10 times I'll say yes."

It's a monster deal for Bosh. His max deal for $118 million will almost eclipse his total NBA earnings to date of $123 million.

Bosh says his belief in the Heat organization begins at the very top, and he's ready for the road ahead.

"Micky Arison is a fantastic owner and a great leader, and we've always had a special relationship," Bosh said. "He stepped up to the plate, and that means a lot. Those guys believed in me. They stepped up to the plate, and I'm going to do the same for them."

Bosh plans to stay in Ghana for a few days before returning home to Miami at the end of the month. One thing he wants to clear up: Toronto Bosh is long gone, and that's not a necessarily a bad thing.

"CB4 is never coming back," Bosh said, referring to his nickname as a Raptor. "A few years later, I think I'm a much better player. It's funny, even all the way over here in Africa, people are telling me, 'We need CB4 back.' I can't be that. That's impossible."

"But I feel I'm a much better leader and a much better player, and I'm much more prepared for the role, the all-around role, that they need me to fill. That's exciting for me to really challenge myself and step up to the plate next year and make sure we get it done, no matter what happens."

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11210803/chris-bosh-ready-lead-miami-heat
 
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Miami's team is looking stronger than the Cavs current team.

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I had talk about this yesterday. My boy said, "Miami might be a better team than last year, only because they won't focus most of the offense around Lebron". I said, "the thing is Deng can score with the best of them, a great locker room person".



There was really no way, Deng could've worked with Lebron unless Mickey was about that repeaters tax. There's a few players who's about taking less for the good of the team. Just so happen Haslem, Wade, James and Bosh did at the same time and it paid off. Timmy did it and it helped. Deng wasn't bout no fucking discount, dude never have been. Probably never will be, but the question is why should he. Winning a title ain't everyone focus, just the elite players focus on that shit. Iconic figures like James, Kobe, and the Durants are bout that ships. The Rudy Gays, Melo's etc seem to be bout them fucking duckies.
 
I haven't seen fuckery like that since the Cavs let Boozer out of basically the same deal as a 2nd rounder and he bailed on them to Utah :lol:
Bosh lied to a blind old dying white man. I honestly thought he would be blackballed out the league after that. I would have lost a bet if you told me dude would still be making near max dollars almost a decade later. :smh:

You are 100% correct.

And if the Mavs wanted to sign him for 46 mill next year, they could have him then too :lol:
Easily one of the dumbest decisions iver ever seen in professional sports. And remember, they knew they had to trade Asik and Lin either way so why the rush to clear a measley 900k of one of the best bargain contrcts in the league.:confused:
 
Correct

But Heat fans have been talking around that fact this whole thread

Sign some players and then go over the cap to bring back your own guys

Mark Cuban punk ass scared to do it too

That's because they couldn't do that. Bron, Wade and Bosh were still counting against the salary cap. That's why I was laughing at dudes talking about they gonna sign Gortat, Lowry and Deng or some crazy shit. When they opted out their salary was still counting against the cap because they didn't renounce them. When you renounce them then you can't re-sign them while being over the cap.

That's what I was saying lowkey Bron was holding them hostage.

When you opt out you don't stop counting against the cap. A cap hold is there so The Heat were like 3 million under the cap.

Had they renounced Wade they would've had some leg room. Mavs were in the same boat with Dirk.

Yeah because Josh McRoberts and Danny Granger is what REALLY kept bosh in Miami :hmn:

It was the extra year. Nothing more nothing less.

We had to gamble. Morey plan was to always keep his core guys (Parsons Howard harden) together n build around them. He knew that if he picked up the option n added another superstar this year they wouldn't be able to afford Parsons next year.

So he gambled.

You decline the option, hopefully sign that big name, then go over the cap to keep that 3rd core member. That way u have 4 key guys under contract for extended time and keep that championship window open longer. All in all it was the right move for what he had planned, it just didn't work out.



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That's exactly what I said. :lol: He wasn't leaving a year out there. Most guys don't. We know Bosh ALREADY did it, Bron and Wade did.......Dwight as others have brought up has done it. That's a pipedream man. I know its easy for us to sit here and leave 30 million on the table because we don't have it thrown at us but any sensible human being ain't doing it unless they make enough money off the court to take the risk.

Why couldn't pat sign these players before the meeting in Vegas with LeBron?

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Had no cap space. Plus, I don't think Pat wanted none of these dudes back. :lol: I think he was trying to upgrade the talent around their Big 3.
 
Sheeeit. The Heat won't get past Lebron for the next 5 years. After that, it will be the Parker/Wiggins show in the east. That cheap Jew could have had like 6 rings in a row down there and fucked up. :smh:

You niggas better worry if Bron can delivery Cleveland a chip...

Deng can guard Bron bruh he showed it In chi
 
Miami lost the best player on the planet.

There is no question they're the biggest loser here

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Its close. But the thing about the Heat is that Lebron left. Simply didn't want to play for the Heat anymore. Rockets inflicted their own damage. :lol: Heat simply got shot. Y'all picked up the gun and shot yourselves in the head. :lol:
 
Miami lost the best player on the planet.

There is no question they're the biggest loser here

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Bruh Miami has been to the Finals 4 times in the last 4 years and have 2 rings from it.......

That s called accomplishing the goal......they sit in the shade with lemonade for a while and no one would give a shit.....

Houston lost Parsons....for NOTHING......Lin and Asik for NOTHING......

don t give AF how much against the cap they were.....come trade deadline those huge contracts would have been cut down to like 5+mil against any team's cap.......and they may have been able to get something for them.....
 
Easily one of the dumbest decisions iver ever seen in professional sports. And remember, they knew they had to trade Asik and Lin either way so why the rush to clear a measley 900k of one of the best bargain contrcts in the league.:confused:

Spider swear the heat are the biggest losers in free agency.. Nigga keep telling himself that but everyone sees it's Houston hands down lmaooo
 
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