thats because Cuban runs a penny pinching operation
trying to make due with as little as possible.
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thats because Cuban runs a penny pinching operation
trying to make due with as little as possible.
I don't know whats so hard to grasp about this. Do this fools see Lebron with one foot out the door? Were they watching basketball this season?? Wade is done. That fact is thee primary reason why Bron is weighing options....That and Riley talking tough.
If you scared get a dog Phil. Phil backed off that Riley tough talk I see. Remember when he was talking that "paycut" shit?
Cuban is a bitch.
As did I.
Tell me again why Dirk took that huge paycut? Mark Cuban is a piece of shit.
That's because ur a idiot
I agree....but this comes down to both the owner and Riley. Owner should have gave Riley the money. At the same time, Riley should have prepared for the cheapness.
Remember the Cavs problem of keeping Lebron happy? Seems like it might be happening again in Miami. Perhaps Lebron didn't want to deal with development. Maybe Lebron was running the show all along.
If that's the case,@ that Napier shit.....
It's called operating within a budget which is what he is paid handsomely to do.
If you can't manage to find the RIGHT players for the right price...
the heat problem is they won in 7 last year and thought it was all gravy this year
the spurs got BETTER the heat stayed the same
and you can't do that.
size 7 font so you hear me
NO IT DOES NOT CRIPPLE THE ORGANIZATION
you keep mentioning the spurs
name some big free agents they landed because they had the cap space to land them?
YOU CAN'T
because they not trying to sign no BIG FREE AGENTS
they're scouting to find TALENT that fits their SYSTEM
now...
how many free agents got PAID MILLIONS OF BUCKS
after they were NOBODIES on the spurs
and then flourished in their system?
The list is long than a motherfucker huh?
see what I'm getting at?
Go see my latest post.
Your arguing this as a Heat vs Spurs thing, and I'm arguing a process vs process thing. This isn't about the Heat, but that way of doing things. Today's game is built on getting the biggest names to play together, etc which again will garner short term success however, Chips are won mostly by team play. The way the Spurs were built had a lot more structure and longevity than the way the Heat were. Sure they made a splash, but ultimately it was a house built on sand. We just have to agree to disagree bro and that's your right. No matter how much you bold your point we don't see eye to eye on this. That's why now the Heat are struggling to even field a team much less a championship caliber one, whereas a team constructed like the Spurs keeps chugging along. Sure you need a creative intelligent front office, but you also need players who buy in and you can't be too top heavy. The big 3 concept makes teams too top heavy and that's why when D Wade and Bosh didn't perform they choked. Like I said, we agree to disagree, I see a Heat team that is handicapped and desperate due to this and you don't. It is what it is...
It's funny how people say the Heat wouldn't be shit in the West but in the last 4 years the Heat record vs the West is 76-32. And I forgot what year it was I think last year 2012-2013 they won like 18 straight against the West or something like that and ended up going 25-5 against them.
No
you are the only one who keeps bringing up the spurs and the way they do it
how tim duncan did this and that
I didn't mention the spurs YOU DID
and then when I break down to you exactly why the spurs are able to win and it has little to do with taking pay cuts and more to do with their scouting department you want to act like i brought up the spurs
i didn't
you did
you're just flat out wrong and refuse to concede when you should have a few posts ago.
the spurs and teams with good gm's don't BANK on landing "big free agents"
they get the correct talent and assemble a team.
the heat gm is responsible for not assembling the talent
all they got were vets because that's all they were looking for
there are plenty of other places to find great talent and they don't do it and it has nothing to do with how much money 3 players were making. NONE
And one other thing, the Spurs are able to scout acquire and pay for Multiple quality free agents the way they do because they aren't hamstrung financially by 3 players taking up 75% of their cap space.
for the last time. NO
you're flat out dunce status dead wrong.
so the big 3 making money means the heat can't afford to fucking scout players?
is that what you're trying to tell me?
first it was 70% now you're moving up to 75% next it's gonna be 80% and none of it's going to be true.
Look at the spurs roster bro
nobody is making overkill
and that's because the players for the most part aren't players that were in demand
and guess what happens when they get in demand? (george hill)
they sai ok go ahead and pay his ass $40 million
we scouted another better younger george hill already
stop copping pleas for a dude who ain't doing his job blaming 3 dudes who were underpaid as it is
they supposed to play for pennies so the dude could OVERPAY some other dudes who won't even do shit towards winning?
NO
tim duncan ain't hurting for money parker or ginobli either
but they win because the spurs gm does his damn job
the wizards gm has done his damn job
the traiblazers gm has done his damn job
the warriors gm has done his damn job
we can go on and on
if you can't do shit unless you got $100m to spend..why are you a gm?
Chris Kaman to Portland
2 years 10 mill
Only 1 mill in the 2nd season guaranteed
He making 4.8 this year
2 years 10 mill
Only 1 mill in the 2nd season guaranteed
He making 4.8 this year
Them niggas all getting the MAX
cash out season
Dwight the only nigga who ain't cash out properly
cash out season
Dwight the only nigga who ain't cash out properly
If only Jesus made me 6'8
Weird.. What happens to Lopez because thats a lot for a guy coming off the bench
Man just 6'7
That's a good combo
Him and Lopez
They could split the minutes down the middle mostly
for the last time. NO
you're flat out dunce status dead wrong.
so the big 3 making money means the heat can't afford to fucking scout players?
is that what you're trying to tell me?
first it was 70% now you're moving up to 75% next it's gonna be 80% and none of it's going to be true.
Look at the spurs roster bro
nobody is making overkill
and that's because the players for the most part aren't players that were in demand
and guess what happens when they get in demand? (george hill)
they sai ok go ahead and pay his ass $40 million
we scouted another better younger george hill already
stop copping pleas for a dude who ain't doing his job blaming 3 dudes who were underpaid as it is
they supposed to play for pennies so the dude could OVERPAY some other dudes who won't even do shit towards winning?
NO
tim duncan ain't hurting for money parker or ginobli either
but they win because the spurs gm does his damn job
the wizards gm has done his damn job
the traiblazers gm has done his damn job
the warriors gm has done his damn job
we can go on and on
if you can't do shit unless you got $100m to spend..why are you a gm?
You are way off base concerning the context of my rebuttal and I don't have to concede shit because you've not said anything that sways my viewpoint. And cool, if your way of debating is to get into juvenile name calling you can have that too, I fuck around from time to time but in this case, I'll leave that to you, hope it accomplishes in your mind what makes you feel special.
I'm going to try this one more time and I'm done since it appears you struggle a little bit with reading comprehension. Everything you say validates my point, the reason I mentioned the Spurs is because they are the best at building a team the right way, both for success, chemistry and longevity. The way the Heat built their team represents the complete opposite, microwave success which will eventually crumble and cripple an organization in the longer term. Eventually the need to o. A yearly basis add mix match pieces, etc will eventually blow up just like it did in the finals. And you never answered my question, why weren't the heat able to sign a Lowry, or a strong FA in that class this year? What was the main reason?
Because of the way that team is built, centered around 3 players at the sacrifice of overall quality for the remaining 9. You can scout all you want but if you can't afford to pay those players it doesn't mean shit. My initial and current argument is, this situation magnifies the frailty in focusing on a couple of players and crippling a team cap wise.
So again, why could they sign top tier FAs this year?
Your first two statements are exactly what I've been saying, and your last sentence is so contradictory it makes me wonder if you even think before you type. How the hell does using most of your cap on 3 player NOT affect the teams ability to assemble great talent? Also, again, the heats process was to look for a couple big name players and use smoke and mirrors to field the rest of the team while the spurs too a different approach. That's how you have 16 straight 50 plus win seasons. And it does affect the telnet on the team the heat can't afford to pay quality free agents because the big 3 are sucking up the majority of the cap, that why Lowry kept his ass in Toronto. And where are all these clowns who were talking during the season about how good FAs were gonna flock to Miami and take pay cuts for the opportunity to play with LeBron?
People come to Dallas. Maybe not first tier guys like Lebron but guys come. Give him another Monta Ellis caliber player and Mavs a top 3 team in the West. They didn't win that first title with a group of superstars. They just need solid guys around Dirk and not waste of spaces.
Kaman ain't good for shit if he playing more than 20 minutes though. He's gonna give you a solid 20 minutes. No defense and no defensive presence at all but he'll spell you some minutes. I hope they don't expect him to replace Lopez. He'll spell Lopez nicely though.
Your first two statements are exactly what I've been saying, and your last sentence is so contradictory it makes me wonder if you even think before you type. How the hell does using most of your cap on 3 player NOT affect the teams ability to assemble great talent? Also, again, the heats process was to look for a couple big name players and use smoke and mirrors to field the rest of the team while the spurs too a different approach. That's how you have 16 straight 50 plus win seasons. And it does affect the telnet on the team the heat can't afford to pay quality free agents because the big 3 are sucking up the majority of the cap, that why Lowry kept his ass in Toronto. And where are all these clowns who were talking during the season about how good FAs were gonna flock to Miami and take pay cuts for the opportunity to play with LeBron?
These dudes about money. If they weren't they are now. I know the shit going through dudes minds now is "How the fuck am I gonna be making less than CJ Miles and Jodie Meeks?". Jodie Meeks fucked the market up for the Heat and a lot of other teams.
Your first two statements are exactly what I've been saying, and your last sentence is so contradictory it makes me wonder if you even think before you type. How the hell does using most of your cap on 3 player NOT affect the teams ability to assemble great talent? Also, again, the heats process was to look for a couple big name players and use smoke and mirrors to field the rest of the team while the spurs too a different approach. That's how you have 16 straight 50 plus win seasons. And it does affect the telnet on the team the heat can't afford to pay quality free agents because the big 3 are sucking up the majority of the cap, that why Lowry kept his ass in Toronto. And where are all these clowns who were talking during the season about how good FAs were gonna flock to Miami and take pay cuts for the opportunity to play with LeBron?
i didn't contradict myself
they're not going to overpay they let other people overpay.
anybody you trying to have miami bring in they're going to be overpaying....
also i said from jump nobody is taking a pay cut to play with lebron
nobody takes a pay cut to play with tim duncan either
they get people who people gave up on or never heard of
once you have you overpay and they repeat the process.
LeBron James' agent tells teams James might meet with them if Heat don't improve roster soon
Yahoo Sports By Adrian Wojnarowski 3 hours ago
After conducting meetings with three NBA teams interested in pursuing free-agent star LeBron James, his agent suggested to owners and executives present that a failure of Miami president Pat Riley to rapidly recruit a strong supporting cast could bring finalists back to meet with James himself next week, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
Rich Paul, the agent for James, invited three teams – Cleveland, Dallas and Phoenix – to the offices of his Klutch Sports headquarters to listen to pitches.
The meetings took place on Wednesday and Thursday, sources told Yahoo Sports.
Phoenix met on Wednesday and Cavaliers officials met on Thursday with Paul. Houston Rockets officials spoke with Paul by phone, but were not granted a meeting and have moved on with their pursuit of Carmelo Anthony, sources told Yahoo Sports.
Some executives believe there's an opportunity because of a disconnect between James and his teammates, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. Another executive attending the meeting flatly said, "I think it's a smokescreen."
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Across the country in Los Angeles on Thursday, Riley and coach Erik Spoelstra came to meet with free agents about joining the Heat, sources told Yahoo Sports. They met with Los Angeles Lakers free-agent forward Pau Gasol on Thursday, sources said. Miami is still unsure how much it has to offer free agents because Bosh and Wade have yet to fully agree to lowered salaries upon opting out of their contracts.
James has maintained a desire to take a full max contract with a starting salary of $20.7 million, sources said. Wade and Bosh are still reluctant to take severe cuts in their contracts, sources told Yahoo Sports, creating a financial disconnect among the three.
"There's clearly a breakdown in communication between LeBron and [Wade and Bosh]," one executive who participated in the meetings over the past two days told Yahoo Sports. "[James is] giving Riley time to go get players for them but if that doesn't happen in the next few days … LeBron seems ready to explore the market."
For James, the hard part remains: Where would he go? That still makes teams dubious of this exercise as anything but a leverage power play out of James and a marketing exercise out of Paul's fledgling agency. The Suns are offering a chance to sign James and his friend Anthony together, but James would have to move rapidly to recruit the New York Knicks' star. Paul represents the Suns' talented point guard Eric Bledsoe, a restricted free agent. All of it remains, for now, a long shot.
Anthony is spending the weekend choosing between the Chicago Bulls, Rockets and a five-year, $129 million maximum extension with the New York Knicks.
The Cavaliers sold Paul in the meeting on a core of Kyrie Irving, Andrew Wiggins, Paul's client, Tristan Thompson, three first-round picks in 2015 and significant salary-cap space. For James, Cleveland would be a homecoming, the reversal of his infamous decision four years ago.
For now, James remains overseas on vacation with his family and Riley and Spoelstra remains in hot pursuit of a supporting cast through free agency and trades. As much as ever, the clock is ticking for the Miami Heat.
ESPN.com first reported Paul's meetings with the teams.
Yahoo Sports By Adrian Wojnarowski 3 hours ago
After conducting meetings with three NBA teams interested in pursuing free-agent star LeBron James, his agent suggested to owners and executives present that a failure of Miami president Pat Riley to rapidly recruit a strong supporting cast could bring finalists back to meet with James himself next week, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
Rich Paul, the agent for James, invited three teams – Cleveland, Dallas and Phoenix – to the offices of his Klutch Sports headquarters to listen to pitches.
The meetings took place on Wednesday and Thursday, sources told Yahoo Sports.
Phoenix met on Wednesday and Cavaliers officials met on Thursday with Paul. Houston Rockets officials spoke with Paul by phone, but were not granted a meeting and have moved on with their pursuit of Carmelo Anthony, sources told Yahoo Sports.
Some executives believe there's an opportunity because of a disconnect between James and his teammates, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. Another executive attending the meeting flatly said, "I think it's a smokescreen."
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Across the country in Los Angeles on Thursday, Riley and coach Erik Spoelstra came to meet with free agents about joining the Heat, sources told Yahoo Sports. They met with Los Angeles Lakers free-agent forward Pau Gasol on Thursday, sources said. Miami is still unsure how much it has to offer free agents because Bosh and Wade have yet to fully agree to lowered salaries upon opting out of their contracts.
James has maintained a desire to take a full max contract with a starting salary of $20.7 million, sources said. Wade and Bosh are still reluctant to take severe cuts in their contracts, sources told Yahoo Sports, creating a financial disconnect among the three.
"There's clearly a breakdown in communication between LeBron and [Wade and Bosh]," one executive who participated in the meetings over the past two days told Yahoo Sports. "[James is] giving Riley time to go get players for them but if that doesn't happen in the next few days … LeBron seems ready to explore the market."
For James, the hard part remains: Where would he go? That still makes teams dubious of this exercise as anything but a leverage power play out of James and a marketing exercise out of Paul's fledgling agency. The Suns are offering a chance to sign James and his friend Anthony together, but James would have to move rapidly to recruit the New York Knicks' star. Paul represents the Suns' talented point guard Eric Bledsoe, a restricted free agent. All of it remains, for now, a long shot.
Anthony is spending the weekend choosing between the Chicago Bulls, Rockets and a five-year, $129 million maximum extension with the New York Knicks.
The Cavaliers sold Paul in the meeting on a core of Kyrie Irving, Andrew Wiggins, Paul's client, Tristan Thompson, three first-round picks in 2015 and significant salary-cap space. For James, Cleveland would be a homecoming, the reversal of his infamous decision four years ago.
For now, James remains overseas on vacation with his family and Riley and Spoelstra remains in hot pursuit of a supporting cast through free agency and trades. As much as ever, the clock is ticking for the Miami Heat.
ESPN.com first reported Paul's meetings with the teams.
Phil Jackson, Knicks offer Carmelo Anthony max contract, decision expected this weekend
A decision from Carmelo Anthony could come this weekend following a second meeting with the Knicks’ top officials in Los Angeles on Thursday that resulted in team president Phil Jackson offering the seven-time All-Star a max deal of $129 million over five years............
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...knicks-meet-carmelo-anthony-article-1.1853978
Dont know how legit this article is.....but still. Like i always say...Melo is about money (<--which I aint mad at him for), ego & hogging the ball....always has been. All that Im ready to win now shit is a joke.
A little over 25 a year. I bet he dont turn down that money.
A decision from Carmelo Anthony could come this weekend following a second meeting with the Knicks’ top officials in Los Angeles on Thursday that resulted in team president Phil Jackson offering the seven-time All-Star a max deal of $129 million over five years............
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...knicks-meet-carmelo-anthony-article-1.1853978
Dont know how legit this article is.....but still. Like i always say...Melo is about money (<--which I aint mad at him for), ego & hogging the ball....always has been. All that Im ready to win now shit is a joke.
A little over 25 a year. I bet he dont turn down that money.
Take the salaries of all of the spurs support players and add it to the Heats payroll last season and tell me if they could have done it under the cap. Nobody has to consider taking a pay cut because the cap space is there to pay them because the spurs big three only take up 29 million as opposed to 59 million. You can build a nice team that blows motherfuckers out in the finals with that extra 30 million to play with. They def do a great job scouting however that goes hand in hand with the salary issues to produce a great product, which is why I glorify their process over the heats and the new smash and grab approach to team building.
I guess I'm one of the only dudes that actually watched the Finals. Dudes are acting like the Spurs shut the Heat down. The difference between last year and this year was that the Spurs hit the same shots they hit last year and the Heat supporting cast hit NONE of the shots they hit in the 2 previous years.... The Heat definitely need better role players but lets stop acting like the Spurs have some unstoppable dynasty brewing here and everybody has to overhaul. When it's all said and done the Spurs AND Heat may have competition steep enough to where they aren't getting out of their own conferences.
All shit aside man going to the Finals every year symbolizes that however you are doing things....you are doing them right.
They blew them out three straight games.
The Spurs were getting WIDE open shots, the shots they wanted, when they wanted fam.
The Heat were getting contested shots.
It's wasn't about makes and misses, the Spurs passed the ball until they got the shot they wanted every possession wide open.
I'm shocked Phil offered him the max
I see him staying
yep
Look at the Finals last year. The Spurs got the same shots.. man the Heat had a lot of open shots they missed. Again not saying the Spurs didn't dominate. The Heat hit those same shots last year. You act like they were smothered.
I'm shocked Phil offered him the max
I see him staying
Panic mode. He called Melo bluff......it backfired.
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