When did the Black community become so Godless?

[exiledking]

i think these people knew more than making a fire without matches

they knew about all the planets and they were masters of astrology

this is from 2500 bc look at the planets

and this is supposedly enki creating the first human see the tree of life behind him and the hums being created

just sayin

dude... I'm not even discussing this

 

[Mo-Better]

Often many of those things you mention, fill the vacuum that God should fill. And yet the very thing we need is the thing we say we don't need.

I don't believe God should be a factor when addressing the basic fundamentals of decision making, not with (supposedly) the most intelligent beings on the planet.

We are supposed to be educated and maybe that's where the problem begins. With knowledge comes the need to know more. So to quench that need we ask questions. The Bible is supposed to be our book to live by. But there's so many things within the bible that are simply unbelievable by those with intelligence. Parents lie to their kids about Santa Clause eventually the kids find out the truth.

We all know right from wrong we are not children. That said there's no reason for human beings to act as we now do. There is no love for our fellow brothers or sisters. Our music rarely reflects love as it once did.

As for God's influences why are we here on BGOL? It's not just for conversation. You spoke of a void, seems the void is within us all. But why are some of us taking life to the extreme? For some life means as little as a falling leaf.

Finally why are there so many different religions? There's only one race on the planet, human. So to the religious zealots what makes you think your religion is the correct one?

There's just so many unanswerable questions its hard to say what or who is right.

 

[CeeloChamp]

dude... I'm not even discussing this

i feel you

fuck it!

 

[sean69]

Let's all agree for the sake of argument that religion/spirituality are based on LIES.

Does it make the good lives/lives that benefit humanity/lives of compassion/laws of compassion/legal systems based on such principles of fairness and compassion WORTHLESS?

Judge the EFFECT not the cause. It's like a dude who became rich reading and IMPLEMENTING the inspiration he got from Robert Kiyosaki's RIch Dad Poor Dad. We all know Kiyosaki's a fraud at worst, a creative writer at best. But that doesn't mean it doesn't produce REAL EFFECTS in people who believe. Effects that benefit others, right?

I understand but is a religious belief system (institutions which are almost always founded on dogma) the only way one can get the moral values you mentioned?

gimme an example. I don't see how you can divide simplicity and utility.

Are you saying that shit can't be useful unless its complex? I doubt that's what you're saying though. Utility is based on the satisfaction of ones needs and simplicity is based on the means by which one chooses to address those needs. I chose the simplest most useful means.

Example; I chose a a simpler more useful eternal always existing fluxing/changing continuous universe over a more complicated one made of discrete things which leads to the problem of having to describe and explain how the stuff is connected. aka the elusive GUT.

 

[BigATLslim]

Religion (Christianity) has had over 2000 years to do its work ... if religion is like a drug ... at some point our tolerance rose and we need something stronger. Fuck science and HISstory as well, they are forms of religion themselves.

We're pretty much coming out of the sleep spell of religon, science and this bullshyt ass education/indoctrination shyt is next. Youthful college students are already on some Ed Lover C'mon SON! In the classrooms when bullshyt gets thrown their way ... we are all just waking up I guess.

ez!

This could be it.

you really need BOOKS

WRONG. Religious statistics estimate about 2 billion Christians and about 1.3 billion Muslims.
You used to google shit; now you just talk out of your ass.

In the last year, all the talk has been about the seismic shift from Christianity to Islam.

The majority of black women I know still strongly believe so I don't think the right question is about the Black community becoming Godless.

The correct questions are when and why do we now have no problem fucking over and killing each other? Why are killings now the norm instead of the exception, especially with our youth.

A few problems I see is we don't see each other as brothers and sisters anymore we're niggas now something basically sub-human. We lack self pride, we hate upon our own who gain any level of success.

Our sisters are now looked upon as bitches and sex objects. Someone to fuck not someone to love, have a long term relationship with just someone to fuck.

An many of our women have these delusional ideals about themselves. They will spend $500 to pamper themselves rather than pay their bills. Then cry about how unfair the electric company is when their service gets cut off.

Drugs are a problem too because of the addictions and the need to feed those addictions via theft or robbery. But the biggest problem within our communities is right between our ears. We don't think out our decisions. Just look at the pregnancy, STD and AIDS stats within our communities.

We don't need God's guidance for anything I listed its all common sense.

Sorry for the rant.

And with this answer sir, you are newest winner of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.

Right on the money!!
Why the fuck can't motherfuckers understand this quote right here, That is my answer to every fuckin question I get as to why I don't believe in fairy tales. I also tell motherfucker that christianity is a relatively new religion, and who are you bitches to tell people before that bullshit, that they were wrong. Conceited assholes!!

My sentiments exactly.

I guess the same time we became Santa Clauseless or tooth fairyless. We became easter bunnyless first though.

I like the way this sh!t just popped up in the thread.

 

[exiledking]

I understand but is a religious belief system (institutions which are almost always founded on dogma) the only way one can get the moral values you mentioned?



Example; I chose a a simpler more useful eternal always existing fluxing/changing continuous universe over a more complicated one made of discrete things which leads to the problem of having to describe and explain how the stuff is connected. aka the elusive GUT.[/COLOR][/FONT]

eh...they both sound complex and simple to me.

 

[sirwoodz]

started after vietnam, then hip hop blew the lid off.

 

[naturalistic]

the bible is supposed to be the word of God, yes?

It's also supposed to be a hitory book, and prophetic, yes?

It's also supposed to be a guide to life as well.

If I were to claim something to be the word of GOD for ALL HUMANS, I would think it wouldn't be so easy to misinterpret, and not have to cherry pick when something is literal or figurative.

I can't believe we still even have to discuss this on 2010.

This goes for Islam as well. I'm sorry to inform you, but it's mostly bullshit.

The bible is a book, no more no less, lets not make it any more than what it is? words on first papyrus and then on paper as we know it and hey even pdf docs.

The Apostle tells us that the LAW, that is the five books of Moses was a schoolmaster which would lead us to Christ.

Christ being risen is a supernatural teacher, therefore the writings serve only to lead us to the supernatural.

Jesus said, the "Holy Ghost shall teach you all things".
Some things a book just can't teach you, experience is as the old adage goes the best teacher in some cases.

The apostles did not write in order for us to read, they was leaving behind a trail for us to see the things which are possible and how in some cases to achieve the desired result, no more no less.

Yes King Zedekiah had 50,000 chariots ... but how does that help you and I today, is it information you really need to hold on too ?. If this little piece of information is wrong does it render the whole book pointless ? what other books of Antiquities would we handle and dismiss like that ?

 

[exiledking]

The bible is a book, no more no less, lets not make it any more than what it is? words on first papyrus and then on paper as we know it and hey even pdf docs.

The Apostle tells us that the LAW, that is the five books of Moses was a schoolmaster which would lead us to Christ.

Christ being risen is a supernatural teacher, therefore the writings serve only to lead us to the supernatural.

Jesus said, the "Holy Ghost shall teach you all things".
Some things a book just can't teach you, experience is as the old adage goes the best teacher in some cases.

The apostles did not write in order for us to read, they was leaving behind a trail for us to see the things which are possible and how in some cases to achieve the desired result, no more no less.

Yes King Zedekiah had 50,000 chariots ... but how does that help you and I today, is it information you really need to hold on too ?. If this little piece of information is wrong does it render the whole book pointless ? what other books of Antiquities would we handle and dismiss like that ?

you quoted me the damn book like it had some authority, and now it doesn't

 

[naturalistic]

you quoted me the damn book like it had some authority, and now it doesn't

I don't believe what i just wrote above took away any authority, and if you noticed even in explaining I quoted certain verses to stress a point, a point which i'm not sure whether you missed ?. Concerning its authority, well you can only prove the authority of those things written in the bible by carrying out some of the things it prescribes for us who live in these days to do. Then you will know if it is an authority or not.

 

[exiledking]

I don't believe what i just wrote above took away any authority, and if you noticed even in explaining I quoted certain verses to stress a point, a point which i'm not sure whether you missed ?. Concerning its authority, well you can only prove the authority of those things written in the bible by carrying out some of the things it prescribes for us who live in these days to do. Then you will know if it is an authority or not.

those things you are quoting, you coulda just said, but you use the quotes as if the source validates what you say. All of that is common sense.

 

[Costanza]

started after vietnam, then hip hop blew the lid off.

Greydon Square is the culprit???

There is a difference between being decadent and Godless. Hip-hoppers can be depraved and amoral but they still give God at least three shout-outs per album on average.

To answer the OP's question, the Black community probably became so Godless when you started spending time on BGOL. The people here are not indicative.

There have always been black atheists but black people are still, unfortunately, very vocally God-fearing folk.

 

[mike123]

By the way there's no such thing as nothing so the causal issue of something from nothing is meaningless.

String Theories = trying to resolve an optical illusion with binoculars. You can't solve it with a device, you have to solve it with your mind

2 gems right there

Nah. The tree of knowledge thing was an edict for ignorance. You must have misunderstood me. We started off free thinkers. I agree, we had some ideas about the world that were simple and we ended up paying for. But we still have modern ideas today that we pay for. Whether we're better off now than back then is besides the point I was making.

You can have a sophisticated explanation of something and be wrong. You can have a deep understanding of the wrong thing. The human brain is so complex therefore the limits of our imaginations are basically infinite. Given an array of ideas or theories or models, etc, for solving a problem, I prefer to go with the simplest one. All I'm saying is that the so-called primitive ideas of some the ancient mystics and natural philosophers were simpler than today's modern String and M Theories. And they were actually correct. For example, matter is one thing, it's continuous and not discrete. Stuff like that.

At the end of the day you can only define a delusion in the context of what's true and false. You gotta establish that first.

people fail to realize that just like us the ancients were right about some things and they were wrong about some things

for the record, the Black community remains far more religious than any other race in the US. the folks on bgol tend to be different for obvious reasons.

this is why this is a one star thread

I'm tired of the "there's no way to know if God exists" debate people try to bring up cause that's far from the Truth..Search for some of the threads I've created and I provide many ways that will allow you to find your own proof

finding ur own proof isnt as safe as someone else telling u what the truth is

yeah, I remember that. It was all bullshit

why was it bullshit

I guess the same time we became Santa Clauseless or tooth fairyless. We became easter bunnyless first though.

dude... I'm not even discussing this

why not




and naturalistic u cant expect people to take u serious tryin to use the king james version of the bible in a debate

 

[charlie dark]

Everything we do, first starts in the mind. What a person believes therefore informs those things we do. Even if we do those things which are contrary to the things we believe, at least the belief is there in the first place, even if it act as a measurement against our actions.

What you believe is your problem, what you do, can be my problem...I care about what you do, unless we are engaged in an intellectual exchange..

 

[cozmic33]

yeah, I remember that. It was all bullshit

If you actually tried the methods you would not being saying that shit. The only way to find proof of God is through experience. Not even intellect is gonna get you there. Do what you will though bruh. The information is there.

 

[Kill-A-Slob]

There Is No God Dumb Ass Nigga

 

[bborn]

peace




peace

 

[KTD]

Cause and Effect will shut up the non believers.


Something had to cause physics which turned into an effect. What is the thing that made the cause? you ask an atheist this question and they get angry as hell.

 

[Count23]

Cause and Effect will shut up the non believers.


Something had to cause physics which turned into an effect. What is the thing that made the cause? you ask an atheist this question and they get angry as hell.

well who made the "thing" that made the cause?




sean you seem kinda mellow for this discussion, got tired of playing "devil's advocate?"

 

[KTD]

well who made the "thing" that made the cause?




sean you seem kinda mellow for this discussion, got tired of playing "devil's advocate?"

Something has to be created nothing just happen. Have you seen a plant grow by itself?

 

[sean69]

I agree here. That is one thing that pisses me off, cuz it's so confusing how someone can believe the shit they believe, and literally be SMARTER than me in some scientific or mathematical thing... or financial. It should stand to reason that people who are religious are not skeptical, but they are about certain things.

About 10% of scientists profess some form of religious belief. There's gotta be a reasonable explanation for this other than "they must be really stupid". Human behavior. We're rational when we stop and think but irrational when we act. Well studied established fact. Peoples religious beliefs are much more than what we chose to call "fairy tales". It's often about their entire social platform; family, friends,relationships, life circumstances, experiences, etc. Relying on a mere correlation between religiosity and book smarts leaves a whole bunch of other very relevant and nontrivial shit out imo.

eh...they both sound complex and simple to me.

If you say so.

What you believe is your problem, what you do, can be my problem...I care about what you do, unless we are engaged in an intellectual exchange..

And what those guys that flew the planes into the towers on Sept. 11 believed is everyones problem now...

 

[sean69]

sean you seem kinda mellow for this discussion, got tired of playing "devil's advocate?"

nah, I never play devils advocate. i mean everything i type.

 

[Count23]

Something has to be created nothing just happen. Have you seen a plant grow by itself?

Ok great. so that means god (eternal complexity) had to have been created too right?

nah, I never play devils advocate. i mean everything i type.

that maybe so but your "tone" in this thread is different from the question for atheists thread...imo

 

[BrownTurd]

Only niggas bash churches. Niggas are like parasites they ruin and kill everything around them. Niggas don't believe in anything that is positive. A Church is a group of black people coming together to worship and better themselves while helping and supporting their communities. But niggas have a problem with unity. They complain about church members being sheep for giving money to the church but will give the white man and their favorite rapper all of their money.

 

[woodchuck]

It's called getting educated.

Damn Blunt's bringing game!

You church muhfuckas are bunch of walking contradictions. You say eye for an eye, when some shit is done to you, but you want your victims to "turn the other cheek". You like to sit up and pass judgment on people, then scream "judge ye not" and "he who is without sin..." when you or your pastor get caught with their dick in the booty jar. You don't like it when non believers post their thoughts and logic here, but then you'll start a bullshit thread like this. Really, dawg? You know how you male Xtians tell women to "Get over it, he's just not that into you."? Now's your chance to do that. Quit whining and wondering why people don't believe in God, just be happy you do, and live your life accordingly, but I realize, for you guys, there's no sense in holier than thou sensation for you, huh? If only "niggas" bash churches, then what do you call the members who are too blind, dumb, and timid to call bullshit when it happens in the church? I'll wait, I know you have to consult with Bishop before answering.

 

[exiledking]

About 10% of scientists profess some form of religious belief. There's gotta be a reasonable explanation for this other than "they must be really stupid". Human behavior. We're rational when we stop and think but irrational when we act. Well studied established fact. Peoples religious beliefs are much more than what we chose to call "fairy tales". It's often about their entire social platform; family, friends,relationships, life circumstances, experiences, etc. Relying on a mere correlation between religiosity and book smarts leaves a whole bunch of other very relevant and nontrivial shit out imo.

If you say so.

we don't disagree totally here. I'm not one to think "they must be really stupid"-- well, not really.

Again, I'm saying that yeah, theres more to it, but I haven't wrapped that conclusion up to it as you seemed to have. But we agree, there's much more to it.

Only niggas bash churches. Niggas are like parasites they ruin and kill everything around them. Niggas don't believe in anything that is positive. A Church is a group of black people coming together to worship and better themselves while helping and supporting their communities. But niggas have a problem with unity. They complain about church members being sheep for giving money to the church but will give the white man and their favorite rapper all of their money.

you're quite hostile

I would never bash fellowhip. My main issue with church is the parts that aint true. That's it. As long as it's there, I will talk about it. I think we can have community and fellowship without the other parts.

If there were a movement to strike the bullshit out of the so called holy books, and modernize them with what we know now, I'd be up for it. And they kind of do, that's what new religions are all about. I like that evolution, it's just not where I'd like to see it.

 

[Blunt]

Cause and Effect will shut up the non believers.


Something had to cause physics which turned into an effect. What is the thing that made the cause? you ask an atheist this question and they get angry as hell.

Ask a scientist and he'll have no problem explaining it to you. Ask a "believer" why The Bible tells you to stone your child to death if he/she talks back to you or why you should be put to death for working on the sabbath and they look at you like .

 

[tre2k4]

The truth is, no one knows shit

 

[anonymous]

a lot of misinfo in here.
I understand the anger you feel, based on the information you have.

......

 

[Art Vandelay]

Nah. The tree of knowledge thing was an edict for ignorance. You must have misunderstood me. We started off free thinkers. I agree, we had some ideas about the world that were simple and we ended up paying for. But we still have modern ideas today that we pay for. Whether we're better off now than back then is besides the point I was making.

You can have a sophisticated explanation of something and be wrong. You can have a deep understanding of the wrong thing. The human brain is so complex therefore the limits of our imaginations are basically infinite. Given an array of ideas or theories or models, etc, for solving a problem, I prefer to go with the simplest one. All I'm saying is that the so-called primitive ideas of some the ancient mystics and natural philosophers were simpler than today's modern String and M Theories. And they were actually correct. For example, matter is one thing, it's continuous and not discrete. Stuff like that.

At the end of the day you can only define a delusion in the context of what's true and false. You gotta establish that first.

sean69 >>>>>

 

[max-dawg]

dwight mann's religion = $

christianity is what dwight mann used to keep you calm...while he "rapes" your land of it's resources.