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Deltronz said:
Only real lose, in their current state, I see in that list are Yoshi Tatsu and Camacho. Aksana was still sloppy (she went from very very sloppy...to sloppy). Evan has a ton of potential but basically an idiot who is really injury prone. I basically agree that the WWE these days isn't really a place anymore for big guys who just splash basically (you gotta at least kinda move like the Wyatts, Big E, Kane, etc). I forgot Hawkins was even still in the company. And the WWE decided a long time ago that they don't care about 3MB, so losing 2 of those members a year ago, or tomorrow, obviously makes no difference.

WITH ALL THAT SAID...with WWE Network around why even do these kinds of cuts when there are infinite uses for the useless within the WWE to fill hard drive space with? Last I checked, they're still showing REPLAYS of stuff like the WWE Countdown. You mean to tell me it's wiser to show those replays over say...."A Day in the Life of Brodus Clay"? Nonsense, but whatever.
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Yeah you can tell 3MB was on borrowed time and a joke. I actually think from where it started it ended up being a decent little run on TV. Somewhat entertaining.

The only troublesome think about this to me is that who takes these guys roles? Like they were already in the cellar. Who's now going to take their roles in the cellar? I'm guessing its gonna be a lot of those black wrestlers like Kofi, Truth, Xavier, Big E, etc. I hope that's not the case though.

But you right. WWE is not doing its job in regards to OG programming with the WWE Network. They should be using that to push their wrestlers and putting them in a spotlight that most people can't get outside of it.

They could and should do a lot more with it.
 
dtownsfinest said:
Yeah you can tell 3MB was on borrowed time and a joke. I actually think from where it started it ended up being a decent little run on TV. Somewhat entertaining.

The only troublesome think about this to me is that who takes these guys roles? Like they were already in the cellar. Who's now going to take their roles in the cellar? I'm guessing its gonna be a lot of those black wrestlers like Kofi, Truth, Xavier, Big E, etc. I hope that's not the case though.
But you right. WWE is not doing its job in regards to OG programming with the WWE Network. They should be using that to push their wrestlers and putting them in a spotlight that most people can't get outside of it.

They could and should do a lot more with it.
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That's how it's already starting to look. Rusev beat Truth and Woods in a handicap match before he beat Zack Ryder on tv.
Big E has the look to be a WWE star but he's garbage on the mic and that will be the excuse to hold him back.
So it'll be those guys and Heath Slater getting beat every week from now on.
 
Upgrade Dave said:
They killed him after and I never understood it.

But all of those guys are limited as hell. They're not any different than Batista, they're just younger. That's just how power wrestlers are used in WWE. But a 6'7, 350lbs guy like Clay should always find a spot because he can always be pushed as a "monster" that just smashes guys.
If Vince's daughter wasn't in charge of Creative, Clay would still be there and they would be out the door.
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They may be limited as well......I can't argue that but I do know that as of right now Big E, Ryback and Reigns were putting on far better matches than Batista and like you said they were all younger. I've never been a Batista fan though so I guess i'm biased. But i've seen far more from BIG E now than I EVER did from Batista. I think that spear to outside the ring that Big E does is dope.

I agree with you about Clay. They could've had him be a Vader type. I just think we've moved on from that though. ESPECIALLY the WWE because they don't know how to push them or simply don't want too.
 
Upgrade Dave said:
That's how it's already starting to look. Rusev beat Truth and Woods in a handicap match before he beat Zack Ryder on tv.
Big E has the look to be a WWE star but he's garbage on the mic and that will be the excuse to hold him back.
So it'll be those guys and Heath Slater getting beat every week from now on.
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Right and I was gonna say they've already sort of started to do it. And with these guys gone these guys get pushed back even further to the cellar. Very stupid booking by WWE. I mean okay, you don't want to push the guys. Atleast let them be credible mid-carders. They gonna be down there with Heath and Zack Ryder.
 
dtownsfinest said:
They may be limited as well......I can't argue that but I do know that as of right now Big E, Ryback and Reigns were putting on far better matches than Batista and like you said they were all younger. I've never been a Batista fan though so I guess i'm biased. But i've seen far more from BIG E now than I EVER did from Batista. I think that spear to outside the ring that Big E does is dope. I agree with you about Clay. They could've had him be a Vader type. I just think we've moved on from that though. ESPECIALLY the WWE because they don't know how to push them or simply don't want too.
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That move is crazy but, if I'm WWE, I stop him from doing it. It's too high risk and someone, him or whoever he hits with it, is going to get hurt.

They don't know how, not consistently. One of the things I can't stand about Vince Russo is how he can make a hot angle or moment on tv but can't follow it up for shit. WWE Creative is much the same. Since they're booking to please a nearly 70 yr man (Vince) instead of doing what makes the most sense, they do shit in a half ass way trying to keep up with his whims. So he sees a big man like Clay and decides "Let's do that." Then a month later, he's on to something else and they go do something else instead of continuing to build up Clay (or any number of guys).
 
Upgrade Dave said:
Right?

Erick Rowan isn't anything special but that damn Luke Harper, that's a guy that can go. Same with Bray but he doesn't have Harper's height.
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Been a fan of Luke Harper since his Chikara days. He is a really good wrestler. Erick Rowan has been billed as the "shitty" one, but honestly...he's not bad for how he's used (which is as a tag team wrestler). Therefore, he isn't being exposed for his limitations. I don't really consider Bray on the "big guys", so I probably should've just specified the tag team within the Wyatts. But if we are going to talk about Bray...his talents are pretty obvious. He has one of the best characters in the entire WWE universe. He's not a guy I would spotlight in terms of his ring work, but in terms of embracing his character and doing actions that work for his character (the whole "dancing with a dazed Cena" bit for example), there aren't many better.
 
Deltronz said:
Been a fan of Luke Harper since his Chikara days. He is a really good wrestler. Erick Rowan has been billed as the "shitty" one, but honestly...he's not bad for how he's used (which is as a tag team wrestler). Therefore, he isn't being exposed for his limitations. I don't really consider Bray on the "big guys", so I probably should've just specified the tag team within the Wyatts. But if we are going to talk about Bray...his talents are pretty obvious. He has one of the best characters in the entire WWE universe. He's not a guy I would spotlight in terms of his ring work, but in terms of embracing his character and doing actions that work for his character (the whole "dancing with a dazed Cena" bit for example), there aren't many better.
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Harper was in CHIKARA? Hm, didn't know that.

Oh yeah, Rowan, who has improved, is a tag team guy. He's Brutus Beefcake. He's Billy Gunn. I'd throw Roman Reigns in with them. He's got the look of a star but he's only recently shown he can go as a singles. I would have turned Dean instead of Rollins (better worker and talker than both of the other two) but it is what it is.
Actually I wouldn't have turned anyone of them for another year. There is too much money to be made with the Shield.
Whoever is writing for Bray, and I know he has more input lately, deserves a raise. They need to get him away from Cena though. It takes too much for them to have a good match. Put him back with Bryan or someone else that can bump for him.
You don't hear people chanting "Husky Harris" at him anymore.
 
Upgrade Dave said:
That move is crazy but, if I'm WWE, I stop him from doing it. It's too high risk and someone, him or whoever he hits with it, is going to get hurt.

They don't know how, not consistently. One of the things I can't stand about Vince Russo is how he can make a hot angle or moment on tv but can't follow it up for shit. WWE Creative is much the same. Since they're booking to please a nearly 70 yr man (Vince) instead of doing what makes the most sense, they do shit in a half ass way trying to keep up with his whims. So he sees a big man like Clay and decides "Let's do that." Then a month later, he's on to something else and they go do something else instead of continuing to build up Clay (or any number of guys).
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Yeah that move is crazy. I'd save that shit for PPV's if i'm gonna let them do it. But they've been limiting that shit and shit they've been limiting him in general since he's rarely on Monday nights anymore.

And I hate to hear they still trying to appease Vince but I will say the tone of the WWE right now does seem to be going in a different direction. VInce probably had BEEN wanting that Shield split for months now.
 
dtownsfinest said:
Yeah that move is crazy. I'd save that shit for PPV's if i'm gonna let them do it. But they've been limiting that shit and shit they've been limiting him in general since he's rarely on Monday nights anymore.
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Yep.

And I hate to hear they still trying to appease Vince but I will say the tone of the WWE right now does seem to be going in a different direction. VInce probably had BEEN wanting that Shield split for months now.
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:yes:
That's where they were going earlier this year and changed their minds. They pulled the trigger on it way too fast. We'll see how it goes but it smells of a Russo "swerve just to have a swerve".
 
Upgrade Dave said:
FOUR WRESTLERS RELEASED FROM WWE
by Richard Trionfo @ 10:56 AM on 6/12/2014

WWE has announced on their website that they have released the following wrestlers effective today:


Camacho

Brodus Clay

Evan Bourne

Yoshi Tatsu


Not surprised at all. Clay's heel turn was a huge disappointment (not his fault).
They never used Camacho right. You turned the son of Haku into an Mexican stereotype?
Bourne failed drug tests and got hurt a lot. Tough luck and poor decisions doomed him.
When they stopped using Tatsu even as a jobber, you knew his time was up.
All of these are guys they should have used to build up Rusev before they let him crush and beat R-Truth and Xavier Woods, who were doing well after beating Broadus Clay.
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Upgrade Dave said:
One more

3MB IS NO MORE AFTER LATEST WWE RELEASES
by Mike Johnson @ 11:38 AM on 6/12/2014

WWE has released Drew McIntyre and Jinder Mahal, effectively ending 3MB

I'm not big on TNA picking up all of WWE's scraps but they could get a lot of run out of Matt Sydal returning to their X-Division and Drew McIntyre has main event potential. Let them work some indy or ROH dates to get that jobber stink off them and bring them in. They should bring in Drew before they do their next UK tour in January.
They've already taped their Knockouts One Night Only ppv (I think) so it might be too late to use Aksana for that but she's very good and would be a help to the KO division.

If they need the payroll space, fire all those clowns in the Menagerie. That gimmick started off interesting and they ruined it fast. Keep Knux and Rebel but everyone else can go, Rob Terry included.
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And yet somehow JTG remains.

Clay and McIntyre could have been big if used correctly and I never got why they didn't just put Hawkins and Ryder back together as a team since they weren't doing much otherwise.
 
Upgrade Dave said:
Harper was in CHIKARA? Hm, didn't know that.

Oh yeah, Rowan, who has improved, is a tag team guy. He's Brutus Beefcake. He's Billy Gunn. I'd throw Roman Reigns in with them. He's got the look of a star but he's only recently shown he can go as a singles. I would have turned Dean instead of Rollins (better worker and talker than both of the other two) but it is what it is.
Actually I wouldn't have turned anyone of them for another year. There is too much money to be made with the Shield.
Whoever is writing for Bray, and I know he has more input lately, deserves a raise. They need to get him away from Cena though. It takes too much for them to have a good match. Put him back with Bryan or someone else that can bump for him.
You don't hear people chanting "Husky Harris" at him anymore.
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Bray writes his own stuff by all reports (in terms of promos), and it shows.

I've been watching Luke Harper (He'll always be Brodie Lee to me) for years put on great matches. Actually, there are quite of few ex-Chikara folk in the WWE now (Antonio,Luke,Zayn,Del Ray).

I kind of disagree with Ambrose turning. He is the best talker in the group so he doesn't really need the push that Rollins would need as a singles guy. I don't want to see Rollins become a future Evan Bourne (although I'd say he is better than Bourne in the ring). So him flipping is a good look.

BUT, I do agree that they shouldn't have split them yet, as the feud with the Wyatts still had legs leading into Summerslam. After that, splitting them up would've been good.
 
Upgrade Dave said:
Yep.



:yes:
That's where they were going earlier this year and changed their minds. They pulled the trigger on it way too fast. We'll see how it goes but it smells of a Russo "swerve just to have a swerve".
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Right. They should've swerved something else. The Shield IMO still hadn't even hit their peak yet. And they never fully took advantage of that Wyatts vs. Shield angle.
 
Deltronz said:
Bray writes his own stuff by all reports (in terms of promos), and it shows.

I've been watching Luke Harper (He'll always be Brodie Lee to me) for years put on great matches. Actually, there are quite of few ex-Chikara folk in the WWE now (Antonio,Luke,Zayn,Del Ray).

I kind of disagree with Ambrose turning. He is the best talker in the group so he doesn't really need the push that Rollins would need as a singles guy. I don't want to see Rollins become a future Evan Bourne (although I'd say he is better than Bourne in the ring). So him flipping is a good look.

BUT, I do agree that they shouldn't have split them yet, as the feud with the Wyatts still had legs leading into Summerslam. After that, splitting them up would've been good.
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Right which is why initially I was against turning Seth but looking back it was the best one. Because I honestly think Roman and Dean are good. I think Seth could've been the one to potentially get buried had they turned any of the other two. He'd just turn into a Evan Bourne type guy. High-flyer midcarder but now he has potential to be a main eventer.

But yeah Shield had some more run in them.
 
Man I hope 3MB is in WWE 2K15. :lol: I have Jinder in my stable with Muhammad Hassan and the other two are a tag team, The Rockers lol

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Bray can go, that Shield match at Elimination Chamber showed a lot about all of those guys. That was the match of year IMO, followed by Cena/Cesaro on Raw. Both of those should've been Mania matches :smh: gotta get Bray away from Cena.
 
Deltronz said:
Bray writes his own stuff by all reports (in terms of promos), and it shows.

I've been watching Luke Harper (He'll always be Brodie Lee to me) for years put on great matches. Actually, there are quite of few ex-Chikara folk in the WWE now (Antonio,Luke,Zayn,Del Ray).

I kind of disagree with Ambrose turning. He is the best talker in the group so he doesn't really need the push that Rollins would need as a singles guy. I don't want to see Rollins become a future Evan Bourne (although I'd say he is better than Bourne in the ring). So him flipping is a good look.

BUT, I do agree that they shouldn't have split them yet, as the feud with the Wyatts still had legs leading into Summerslam. After that, splitting them up would've been good.
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I had seen that he started having more input since around Mania but if he's doing all of it or most of it himself, he deserves a raise and the championship.
Even then, I wouldn't split up the Shield. They could have gotten at least two more big ppv matches out of the Shield vs the Wyatts and then move them onto something else.

dtownsfinest said:
Right. They should've swerved something else. The Shield IMO still hadn't even hit their peak yet. And they never fully took advantage of that Wyatts vs. Shield angle.
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:yes:

dtownsfinest said:
Right which is why initially I was against turning Seth but looking back it was the best one. Because I honestly think Roman and Dean are good. I think Seth could've been the one to potentially get buried had they turned any of the other two. He'd just turn into a Evan Bourne type guy. High-flyer midcarder but now he has potential to be a main eventer.

But yeah Shield had some more run in them.
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What I say to this, which you and Del are saying, is that Rollins might still end up as an Evan Bourne type guy. Sandow, a good wrestler, won MitB and is now a costumed jobber. Ziggler isn't much better. I don't see where they have space for him as a top heel in the immediate future, especially given his mediocre promo skills.
If someone had to turn on the others, Ambrose would be able to pull it off and maintain the momentum. I fear for Rollins status come the Royal Rumble.
 
XXXplosive said:
Damn, they released JTG too :smh:
I didn't even know that fool was still on the roster :lol:
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Laugh Of The Night!!!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Upgrade Dave said:
I had seen that he started having more input since around Mania but if he's doing all of it or most of it himself, he deserves a raise and the championship.
Even then, I wouldn't split up the Shield. They could have gotten at least two more big ppv matches out of the Shield vs the Wyatts and then move them onto something else.



:yes:



What I say to this, which you and Del are saying, is that Rollins might still end up as an Evan Bourne type guy. Sandow, a good wrestler, won MitB and is now a costumed jobber. Ziggler isn't much better. I don't see where they have space for him as a top heel in the immediate future, especially given his mediocre promo skills.
If someone had to turn on the others, Ambrose would be able to pull it off and maintain the momentum. I fear for Rollins status come the Royal Rumble.
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Well this is my thing. I feel a turn wouldn't benefit Reigns and Ambrose. Plus it was unpredictable and I personally think unpredictability is good. Not necessarily that they turned because we heard rumblings about it but the least one we expected too.

And he may still end up that high flyer mid-card guy but I think had they did it the other way around like how they broke up Nexxus? It would've for SURE buried Rollins.

I agree with you. I KNOW for a fact Ambrose would've done it right. But i'm not sure if it would've been the best move for all 3 members going forward or the WWE.
 
Damn they got rid of JTG? I was starting to think he was already fired we just didn't know it yet. :lol: His run was far more impressive than Takers streak at Wrestlemania. :lol:
 
MAIN EVENT FOR SUNDAY'S SLAMMIVERSARY PPV IS OFF, REPLACEMENT BOUT TO BE ANNOUNCED LATER TODAYby Dave Scherer @ 10:52 AM on 6/13/2014


John Gaburick just announced the following on Twitter:

"@The305MVP suffered a torn meniscus during his last match. This morning, doctors deemed him unable to compete this Sunday! A fair replacement main event for #Slammiversary will be announced later today.

Go with Lashley. Dude looks better than he ever has.
 
NEW TNA SLAMMIVERSARY PPV MAIN EVENT IS...
by Mike Johnson @ 1:10 PM on 6/13/2014

Inside a steel cage, TNA champion Eric Young in a three-way match will headline this Sunday's TNA Slammiversary XII in Dallas-Arlington, Texas.
Young will face the winners of the following matches:

*Samoa Joe vs. Bobby Lashley.

*Kenny King vs. Austin Aries.

A little convoluted (it is TNA) but that's cool.
 
WWE Could Renew CM Punk's Contract Without His Permission
Posted by Joseph Lee on 06.13.2014

There's precedent...

WWE may be able to renew CM Punk's contract with or without his permission. There is a clause in every wrestler's contract that allows the WWE to renew a deal if the wrestler has been injured and the company believes they are owed dates the wrestler was unable to work. If there are any dates left on Punk's contract that he had yet to work, the same would apply here.

There is precedent now as Vince McMahon renewed Rey Mysterio's contract when it was close to expiring. Rey Mysterio missed most of last year because of several injuries.

If WWE renews the deal, it allows them to keep CM Punk from working for another company. The problem is that they would have to keep paying him as long as he's under contract. His current deal is set to expire in July.

Credit: The Wrestling Observer via Wrestlezone
 
Upgrade Dave said:
NEW TNA SLAMMIVERSARY PPV MAIN EVENT IS...
by Mike Johnson @ 1:10 PM on 6/13/2014

Inside a steel cage, TNA champion Eric Young in a three-way match will headline this Sunday's TNA Slammiversary XII in Dallas-Arlington, Texas.
Young will face the winners of the following matches:

*Samoa Joe vs. Bobby Lashley.

*Kenny King vs. Austin Aries.

A little convoluted (it is TNA) but that's cool.
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Prolly have lashley and king win their matches to squash EY in the triple threat.

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