THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....
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I damn near expected them to play The Rains of Castamere at the end of the show.
I can't believe that shit they pulled last night. Like seriously WTF !!!! 
Big Show didn't want to see Sandow's mad b-ball skills. That's why he just punched him. Show knew Sandow was about to get in that ass.
Big Show didn't want to see Sandow's mad b-ball skills. That's why he just punched him. Show knew Sandow was about to get in that ass.
I don't think they have no choice but I would've been took that title off him. I wasn't for giving him the title at Wrestlemania anyway. I would've stretched that shit out. He was a MUCH Bigger star WITHOUT the title than with it. Granted, he's had death in the family and he's been injured but this title reign has been terrible.
Yeah I think knowing WWE you would've expected it to be Ambrose. He's the cliche heel if they wanted to go that route. I like that it was Rollins. I think Rollins is the one who could've potentially been buried like a Dolph or Kofi had they decided for the other two to go heel and keep Rollins face.
I'm challenging that, Noc. When was Abyss "corporate"? When he became Magnus' backup (some shit that didn't even last to the next ppv
), Magnus was champ but MVP was the GM/exec and they were on the outs and he wrestled in his normal Abyss gear. Kane joined up with the Authority and worked in dress pants.Abyss was coming off the Joseph Parks angle, which was fun but had run it's course. There were definite Kane/Undertaker tones to the character over the years but in the last few, they've gone in completely separate directions.
As for DB-EY, the underdog story is an old one but management only just turned on Young. Up until MVP's turn, EY has had no negative interaction with a TNA management character.
Man, I had that complaint by in 1985 with the first WrestleMania.
They still will. We're only a couple years away from Reigns and Ambrose headlining a Mania against each other.
I'm glad they're giving Rollins this shot but he's not as big as Reigns nor the talker like Ambrose.
WWE has a horrible history with big turns (Ziggler, ADR, Miz, Big E) so I'm taking a wait and see approach to what happens to Rollins next.
With a legit injury, they had to see how it played out. This sounds like a good idea.
You really would have stretched out a storyline that's been going on since SummerSlam? WWE fans were demanding him get the title, even before Punk left. Not doing when they did it, would have been a huge mistake. You don't get a bigger stage than Mania and letting him beat HHH, Orton, and Batista in the same night was as hard as you can push a guy.
The problem has been bad luck (death of his dad) and bad booking (Kane? Again?)
I would've kept it going. And hell they were going too until Batista's reception was "Bootista". Even with no injuries I Just don't see who they have him battle against that's exciting. A Wade Barrett feud would've been nice of course when they get done building up Wade. No matter who they put him up against though that's a main eventer it was going to be boring. Whether it was Orton or Batista or Kane or whoever. It was going to play out boring. They already gave us Bray. A CM Punk or Chris Jericho feud wouldn't be bad either. Maybe Cena and Daniel Bryan wouldn't be bad being that Cena never loses and Bryan is on this big push.
And now they giving Kane another shot at him? Shit is ridiculous. They didn't give Kane this push when he actually in his prime and worthy of a title shot. Nobody buying Kane as this "monster" other than HHH and Stephanie.
I personally would've stretched it out a month or two more. Y'all can say what you want but screwing Bryan over was some of the best programming they've had in a long time while making Bryan a star.
They were going to push Batista but that was because they were through with Bryan. That story was over for them. He was moving on the Sheamus and out of the title picture. The only reason they picked it back up was the fan's actions, Punk leaving (he was up next after he beat HHH at Mania), and Batista not working out as a face.
Putting the belt on him at Extreme Rules or Payback wouldn't have had the same payoff.
Now there shouldn't be any argument from anywhere that they've dropped the ball on his run. I know Batista decided he wasn't putting him over again but how do you not do Orton in the first rematch and let Bryan get some revenge for last summer? Wasn't that the point of him beating Batista and not Orton?
More people in my bathroom this morning than were at this show.
More people in my bathroom this morning than were at this show.
Almost went to this, glad I didn't.
WWE news: Daniel Bryan won't make it back for 'Money in the Bank'
The WWE was holding out hope that Daniel Bryan could make a quick recovery in time for their “Money in the Bank” pay-per-view. In order to leave the possibility open, Stephanie McMahon announced last week that Bryan would have to defend his title against Kane in a stretcher match or forfeit the title. PWS reported on Monday that the WWE has just learned that Bryan will not be medically cleared to return in time for “Money in the Bank.”
Since McMahon made the proclamation on “WWE Monday Night Raw” last week that Daniel Bryan would be stripped of the title if he could not return, that looks like what will happen. The WWE opened things up by saying that the winner of the Money in the Bank ladder match would be the new champion if Bryan did not return. There is also rumors that a second match will take place with the briefcase for a future title shot.
Up until this year, there were always two Money in the Bank ladder matches, one for the world title and one for the WWE title. Since those titles were combined at the end of last year, there was only going to be one this year. If they want to keep the briefcase storyline in place, the WWE will have to have two matches or just eliminate the briefcase storyline in 2014.
The main idea right now is for Cesaro to win the WWE World Heavyweight Championship, but he was rumored to win the Money in the Bank match and cash it in possibly against Brock Lesnar after “Summerslam.” It might be too early for Cesaro to be the champion, so there is a chance that Randy Orton could take the title back. Outside of Orton, old standbys like John Cena, Alberto Del Rio and even Kane are possibilities.
As for Daniel Bryan, his WWE status will remain in doubt. His arm has grown weaker instead of stronger as he recovers from his neck surgery. If things don’t improve soon, the WWE may need to consider what to do with Bryan and his WWE future with the company.http://www.examiner.com/article/wwe-news-daniel-bryan-won-t-make-it-back-for-money-the-bank
The WWE was holding out hope that Daniel Bryan could make a quick recovery in time for their “Money in the Bank” pay-per-view. In order to leave the possibility open, Stephanie McMahon announced last week that Bryan would have to defend his title against Kane in a stretcher match or forfeit the title. PWS reported on Monday that the WWE has just learned that Bryan will not be medically cleared to return in time for “Money in the Bank.”
Since McMahon made the proclamation on “WWE Monday Night Raw” last week that Daniel Bryan would be stripped of the title if he could not return, that looks like what will happen. The WWE opened things up by saying that the winner of the Money in the Bank ladder match would be the new champion if Bryan did not return. There is also rumors that a second match will take place with the briefcase for a future title shot.
Up until this year, there were always two Money in the Bank ladder matches, one for the world title and one for the WWE title. Since those titles were combined at the end of last year, there was only going to be one this year. If they want to keep the briefcase storyline in place, the WWE will have to have two matches or just eliminate the briefcase storyline in 2014.
The main idea right now is for Cesaro to win the WWE World Heavyweight Championship, but he was rumored to win the Money in the Bank match and cash it in possibly against Brock Lesnar after “Summerslam.” It might be too early for Cesaro to be the champion, so there is a chance that Randy Orton could take the title back. Outside of Orton, old standbys like John Cena, Alberto Del Rio and even Kane are possibilities.
As for Daniel Bryan, his WWE status will remain in doubt. His arm has grown weaker instead of stronger as he recovers from his neck surgery. If things don’t improve soon, the WWE may need to consider what to do with Bryan and his WWE future with the company.http://www.examiner.com/article/wwe-news-daniel-bryan-won-t-make-it-back-for-money-the-bank
Neither of them are ready but they're going to have to pull the trigger on somebody.
Seeing those pics, I wonder why they went on with that show instead of cancelling it. WWE cancels shows that aren't performing well (they did that to a SD taping here last year).
It might have been one of their third party shows where they supply the talent but someone else does the promotion.
Either way, I still would have gone (if my money was right). I'm a rasslin' fan.
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I expected to hate Emma but I don't. Seems like they toned down her goofiness. Lana does a better Ludmilla Drago portrayal than Brigitte Nielson.
This is why Rusev be having them short ass matches
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I wouldn't mind seeing Lesnar carry the title for a short run but the way his deal is set up it wouldn't be the logical choice. Hell Triple H would be a okay choice for me but WWE will probably put the strap back on Cena
TNA should of just started handing out free tickets or something, that shit was just horrible
BNB is a good wrestler but he's also great on the mic. Although he's a heel, I can see him becoming an Austin like anti-hero, should they go that route. He can talk on the mic, and get people to boo and cheer him at once.
Cesaro has lost a bit of steam since becoming a Paul Heyman guy....hopefully, he can get rid of him by Summerslam, even if he has the best mouthpiece in the game with Paul E.
Seriously though, Cesaro or BNB (even Sheamus) would be a definite upgrade over Bryan. They had to give him the title at WrestleMania, but his title run sucked, even if a lot of issues were not his fault (father passing, bad booking, injuries).
Hand out free tickets and herd the fans that were there closer to the ring. A small crowd sounds and looks better up tight than scattered throughout the arena.
I'm all for Lesnar. They wanted him for the SummerSlam anyway so let's still do that. Put the title on Cena and have Brock lift it at SS. Brock vs Bryan at Survivor Series.
I like both of them and both seem to be on major upswings but with Brock's issue of declaring himself number one contender and Bray Wyatt being so hot, there just are other guys ahead of them.
I'd love to see Bryan as champ again as long as they keep him away from Kane or any other guy who's been around for 100 yrs. Him vs Cesaro or Barrett or Wyatt could all be big feuds. Throw in anyone from the Shield and he has a long list of guys to have great matches with. I don't see him as a long term champ but a guy who is always in the mix and wins about 4-6 championships (he's already on 2).
Another Superstar Confirmed for the WWE Money In the Bank Ladder Match
Bray Wyatt will defeat Dean Ambrose in a match on this Friday's SmackDown to qualify for the Money In the Bank Ladder Match for the vacant WWE World Heavyweight Title at this month's pay-per-view.
The updated list of participants is Randy Orton, Alberto Del Rio, Cesaro, Sheamus and Bray Wyatt. John Cena is rumored for the match but hasn't qualified yet.
As noted, WWE is expected to announce a second ladder match for the pay-per-view that would be for the regular title shot in the briefcase.
I'm wondering if they'll throw Roman Reigns in the MITB title ladder match. Perhaps someone like Kofi or RVD as well. Just my opinion
Bray Wyatt will defeat Dean Ambrose in a match on this Friday's SmackDown to qualify for the Money In the Bank Ladder Match for the vacant WWE World Heavyweight Title at this month's pay-per-view.
The updated list of participants is Randy Orton, Alberto Del Rio, Cesaro, Sheamus and Bray Wyatt. John Cena is rumored for the match but hasn't qualified yet.
As noted, WWE is expected to announce a second ladder match for the pay-per-view that would be for the regular title shot in the briefcase.
I'm wondering if they'll throw Roman Reigns in the MITB title ladder match. Perhaps someone like Kofi or RVD as well. Just my opinion
TNA-MVP SITUATION UPDATE
by Mike Johnson @ 3:31 PM on 6/11/2014
Regarding MVP's injury, he is still scheduled to face Eric Young in the main event of TNA Slammiversary internally within TNA. A representative of the company confirmed that match was still "official" earlier today.
MVP appeared on the newest episode of Chris Jericho's podcast and noted that he has put off having an MRI and has started putting weight on the knee, which he injured while working for Preston City Wrestling in Great Britain. He noted that he is doing everything he can to work the match but acknowledged that TNA is working on a "Plan B" if it's needed.
Eric Young is currently doing a media conference call. When he was asked about MVP's status, he said he is preparing to wrestle MVP and if something has to change the night of the PPV, he will be ready to deal with it.
If he can't go, they should run an angle for the Joe-Lashley match and have Lashley sub in. I hate the MVP idea anyway. I like him, he's great but if you're a fucking owner, then what does being the champ matter?
Let Bobby in, let him and EY have a nice match but Bobby crushes his ass and wins clean. MVP can be his mouthpiece as he kicks ass and have him and Joe main event BFG.
Doesn't look like they're going to do a BFG Series and that's a shame. It gave their shows, tv and house, direction during a usually dry part of the year. Of all the ideas put on Bischoff and Hogan, this one they should keep. The Open Fight Night concept too.
by Mike Johnson @ 3:31 PM on 6/11/2014
Regarding MVP's injury, he is still scheduled to face Eric Young in the main event of TNA Slammiversary internally within TNA. A representative of the company confirmed that match was still "official" earlier today.
MVP appeared on the newest episode of Chris Jericho's podcast and noted that he has put off having an MRI and has started putting weight on the knee, which he injured while working for Preston City Wrestling in Great Britain. He noted that he is doing everything he can to work the match but acknowledged that TNA is working on a "Plan B" if it's needed.
Eric Young is currently doing a media conference call. When he was asked about MVP's status, he said he is preparing to wrestle MVP and if something has to change the night of the PPV, he will be ready to deal with it.
If he can't go, they should run an angle for the Joe-Lashley match and have Lashley sub in. I hate the MVP idea anyway. I like him, he's great but if you're a fucking owner, then what does being the champ matter?
Let Bobby in, let him and EY have a nice match but Bobby crushes his ass and wins clean. MVP can be his mouthpiece as he kicks ass and have him and Joe main event BFG.
Doesn't look like they're going to do a BFG Series and that's a shame. It gave their shows, tv and house, direction during a usually dry part of the year. Of all the ideas put on Bischoff and Hogan, this one they should keep. The Open Fight Night concept too.
FOUR WRESTLERS RELEASED FROM WWE
by Richard Trionfo @ 10:56 AM on 6/12/2014
WWE has announced on their website that they have released the following wrestlers effective today:
Camacho
Brodus Clay
Evan Bourne
Yoshi Tatsu
Not surprised at all. Clay's heel turn was a huge disappointment (not his fault).
They never used Camacho right. You turned the son of Haku into an Mexican stereotype?
Bourne failed drug tests and got hurt a lot. Tough luck and poor decisions doomed him.
When they stopped using Tatsu even as a jobber, you knew his time was up.
All of these are guys they should have used to build up Rusev before they let him crush and beat R-Truth and Xavier Woods, who were doing well after beating Broadus Clay.
by Richard Trionfo @ 10:56 AM on 6/12/2014
WWE has announced on their website that they have released the following wrestlers effective today:
Camacho
Brodus Clay
Evan Bourne
Yoshi Tatsu
Not surprised at all. Clay's heel turn was a huge disappointment (not his fault).
They never used Camacho right. You turned the son of Haku into an Mexican stereotype?
Bourne failed drug tests and got hurt a lot. Tough luck and poor decisions doomed him.
When they stopped using Tatsu even as a jobber, you knew his time was up.
All of these are guys they should have used to build up Rusev before they let him crush and beat R-Truth and Xavier Woods, who were doing well after beating Broadus Clay.
One more
3MB IS NO MORE AFTER LATEST WWE RELEASES
by Mike Johnson @ 11:38 AM on 6/12/2014
WWE has released Drew McIntyre and Jinder Mahal, effectively ending 3MB
I'm not big on TNA picking up all of WWE's scraps but they could get a lot of run out of Matt Sydal returning to their X-Division and Drew McIntyre has main event potential. Let them work some indy or ROH dates to get that jobber stink off them and bring them in. They should bring in Drew before they do their next UK tour in January.
They've already taped their Knockouts One Night Only ppv (I think) so it might be too late to use Aksana for that but she's very good and would be a help to the KO division.
If they need the payroll space, fire all those clowns in the Menagerie. That gimmick started off interesting and they ruined it fast. Keep Knux and Rebel but everyone else can go, Rob Terry included.
UPDATE AND DETAILS BEHIND TODAY'S WWE RELEASES
by Mike Johnson @ 11:22 AM on 6/12/2014
In the case of Teddy Long, his WWE contract expired. He had been taken off TV for some time and it was well known in the company that he was going to be departing the company.
In the case of Yoshi Tatsu, there was a feeling for some time that he had really regressed in the ring. The company had attempted to find another role for him, including trying him out as a ring announcer in NXT.
Regarding Brodus Clay, the feeling among those I've spoken with is that he fell out of favor with creative, which was obvious when they broke up his team with Tensai and then did nothing with him. His final appearance for the company was putting over NXT champ Adrian Neville on TV, which was a sign there wasn't a plan for him going forward.
We haven't heard much in the way of Evan Bourne's release but he hasn't wrestled in a long time on the main roster after being hurt in a car accident while he was out on a Wellness suspension. There was always a ton of potential for him in the ring but the timing was never in his favor.
The departures of Curt Hawkins and Camacho were the biggest surprises amongst people in the company we've heard from. Camacho was extremely popular within NXT circles and had a strong charisma and was well spoken in recent appearances. Hawkins had several more years on his current deal and had been considered a good hand in the ring, although he had not been utilized beyond putting people over in recent months.
Hawkins has a school he opened in Long Island, so he was already preparing a "Plan B" for himself and will likely get a ton of indy work in the Northeast.
They have hours and hours to fill every week on tv and now even more with the Network and they couldn't think of anything to do with a 350lb monster like Clay? Or a young gun like Camacho?
Why does no one in Creative lose their job over shit like this? Ernie Ladd said he couldn't come up with anything for a young Magnum TA, Bill Watts fired his ass. Now it's the wrestlers who get fired while WWE and TNA keep around the same shitty bookers/writers year after year and wonder why they can't grow.
by Mike Johnson @ 11:22 AM on 6/12/2014
In the case of Teddy Long, his WWE contract expired. He had been taken off TV for some time and it was well known in the company that he was going to be departing the company.
In the case of Yoshi Tatsu, there was a feeling for some time that he had really regressed in the ring. The company had attempted to find another role for him, including trying him out as a ring announcer in NXT.
Regarding Brodus Clay, the feeling among those I've spoken with is that he fell out of favor with creative, which was obvious when they broke up his team with Tensai and then did nothing with him. His final appearance for the company was putting over NXT champ Adrian Neville on TV, which was a sign there wasn't a plan for him going forward.
We haven't heard much in the way of Evan Bourne's release but he hasn't wrestled in a long time on the main roster after being hurt in a car accident while he was out on a Wellness suspension. There was always a ton of potential for him in the ring but the timing was never in his favor.
The departures of Curt Hawkins and Camacho were the biggest surprises amongst people in the company we've heard from. Camacho was extremely popular within NXT circles and had a strong charisma and was well spoken in recent appearances. Hawkins had several more years on his current deal and had been considered a good hand in the ring, although he had not been utilized beyond putting people over in recent months.
Hawkins has a school he opened in Long Island, so he was already preparing a "Plan B" for himself and will likely get a ton of indy work in the Northeast.
They have hours and hours to fill every week on tv and now even more with the Network and they couldn't think of anything to do with a 350lb monster like Clay? Or a young gun like Camacho?
Why does no one in Creative lose their job over shit like this? Ernie Ladd said he couldn't come up with anything for a young Magnum TA, Bill Watts fired his ass. Now it's the wrestlers who get fired while WWE and TNA keep around the same shitty bookers/writers year after year and wonder why they can't grow.
I'm not shocked by any of them. Actually i'm shocked by Bourne and Tatsu because I always thought they were already gone.
I just think the WWE has moved on from the big guys like Broadus. I mean these big guys they got now are like Big E, Wyatts, etc. they all moving like athletes. I don't think the big sloppy guys who just do splashes have a future in the WWE.
And if they were going to push him as a monster like they did? They should've just kept him dancing.
Broadus could move, though. He wasn't the One Man Gang, he was pretty agile for his size. His best run was as Del Rio's backup.
He could move well for his size but it made for boring matches. The at had less moves than John Cena.
Its like Batista to me on a lesser scale. Batista was the big guy with the spear.....when people been seeing Big E, Ryback, Roman Reigns and all these other guys? Batista became a after thought. I sort of feel the same way about Clay. I wanted to see him make it because of his history with Snoop but I can't sit here and say I was excited to see his matches. As much as I hated the whole Funkadactyl shit they gave him.....it probably was for the best looking at how they booked him after it.
Only real lose, in their current state, I see in that list are Yoshi Tatsu and Camacho. Aksana was still sloppy (she went from very very sloppy...to sloppy). Evan has a ton of potential but basically an idiot who is really injury prone. I basically agree that the WWE these days isn't really a place anymore for big guys who just splash basically (you gotta at least kinda move like the Wyatts, Big E, Kane, etc). I forgot Hawkins was even still in the company. And the WWE decided a long time ago that they don't care about 3MB, so losing 2 of those members a year ago, or tomorrow, obviously makes no difference.
WITH ALL THAT SAID...with WWE Network around why even do these kinds of cuts when there are infinite uses for the useless within the WWE to fill hard drive space with? Last I checked, they're still showing REPLAYS of stuff like the WWE Countdown. You mean to tell me it's wiser to show those replays over say...."A Day in the Life of Brodus Clay"? Nonsense, but whatever.
WITH ALL THAT SAID...with WWE Network around why even do these kinds of cuts when there are infinite uses for the useless within the WWE to fill hard drive space with? Last I checked, they're still showing REPLAYS of stuff like the WWE Countdown. You mean to tell me it's wiser to show those replays over say...."A Day in the Life of Brodus Clay"? Nonsense, but whatever.
They killed him after and I never understood it.
But all of those guys are limited as hell. They're not any different than Batista, they're just younger. That's just how power wrestlers are used in WWE. But a 6'7, 350lbs guy like Clay should always find a spot because he can always be pushed as a "monster" that just smashes guys.
If Vince's daughter wasn't in charge of Creative, Clay would still be there and they would be out the door.
Right?
Erick Rowan isn't anything special but that damn Luke Harper, that's a guy that can go. Same with Bray but he doesn't have Harper's height.
