"Jobless in Seattle"-- Will Seattle stumble if it raises its minimum wage to $15/hr?

What will be the impact if a $15 minimum wage passes in Seattle?


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Have you fucking been to Seattle? 15 an hour is JUST MAKING IT. It's very expensive to live in Seattle and it's getting that way in the outlying suburbs..Samammish, Kirkland, Bellevue, etc.. You'd be better off living in Tacoma.

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You are correct, but explain why San Francisco has the highest min. wage in the country ($10.74) and @ the same time is adding more jobs to the economy, @ a clip of 6% & rising, and more importantly HIGHER than the surrounding cities/counties?!?

but yet and still, the unemployment rate has increased there this year from 7.3 to 8.1%
how do you explain that???:confused:
 
It'll be interesting for sure. I don't go out much, cook at home and shop online. It's gonna end up like living in NYC with $8-$10 beers and higher labor costs in general. I've taken to working on my own vehicle(SUV and 2 motorcycles) because going to a shop is just appalling where they charge $100-$125 for an hour of labor but the techs are only getting minimum or a lil better. Places like Target and Walmart won't be affected so much and the grocery stores are all union. Likely though, fast food will be affected, bar life and food industry in general. But hey, profits are inflated anyways for a lot of places
 
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It'll be interesting for sure. I don't go out much, cook at home and shop online. It's gonna end up like living in NYC with $8-$10 beers and higher labor costs in general. I've taken to working on my own vehicle(SUV and 2 motorcycles) because going to a shop is just appalling where they charge $100-$125 for an hour of labor but the techs are only getting minimum or a lil better. Places like Target and Walmart won't be affected so much and the grocery stores are all union. Likely though, fast food will be affected, bar life and food industry in general. But hey, profits are inflated anyways for a lot of places

Isn't the $8 - $10 beers based more on fixed costs like rent and land costs? I mean - in places like San Francisco - I see the high price of land being passed on vs. labor costs. (but labor costs definitely get passed on). It's just that labor costs can be phased in a lot easier/better and controlled better than land costs

Why Seattle is doing this - they realize the high cost of rent/land and realize that people will be homeless/really struggling. The question is if other wages in other sectors are high as well. I don't know Seattle much - but what I do know is that they have an emerging/or mature tech/creative industry pushing wages up.
 
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but yet and still, the unemployment rate has increased there this year from 7.3 to 8.1%
how do you explain that???:confused:

Bruh, I'm talking about San Francisco, what are YOU talking about?!?



Jan 24, 2014, 12:45pm PST
San Francisco unemployment falls to 4.8%, lowest since Great Recession
San Francisco's unemployment rate is on a steady fall, dropping to 4.8 percent last month.
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San Francisco's unemployment rate is on a steady fall, dropping to 4.8 percent last month.

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San Francisco’s unemployment rate dropped to 4.8 percent in December 2013, the lowest tally since the end of the Great Recession.

The city’s unemployment rate is down from 6.4 percent 12 months ago and down from a high of 10.1 percent in January 2010, when the effects of the most recent recession were in full force.

“Today’s unemployment numbers demonstrate that San Francisco’s economy continues to recover because of our relentless focus on jobs, fiscal prudence and the hard work and innovation of our residents,” said Mayor Ed Lee.

He said San Francisco’s unemployment rate is third lowest among the state’s 58 counties.

In the broader region tracked by the California Employment Development Department — comprised of Marin, San Francisco and San Mateo counties — unemployment was 4.6 percent in December 2013.

During the 12 months ending in December 2013, the total number of jobs in the region climbed by 26,700, the state said.

The biggest job gains were in the following industries:

Professional and business services: 10,600 jobs;

Leisure and hospitality: 6,800 jobs;

Professional, scientific and technical services: 6,500 jobs;

Trade, transportation and utilities: 3,900 jobs; and

Construction: 3,400 jobs

Eric Young covers economic development, government, law and the business of sports for the San Francisco Business Times.
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2014/01/24/san-francisco-employment.html




While I've seen a couple of newer articles noting a slight uptick, none are anywhere near what you're saying.

Edit: OK, I just found your number, it ONLY represents Solano County, the area with the HIGHEST unemployment, San Francisco is seeing 5.3% right now, but is outpacing Seattle in terms of adding jobs in the Tech sector.

Let's compare apples to apples, shall we?:hmm:
 
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Let me tell you why San Francisco has low unemployment. Because the rich people have pushed out the poor. Most people in the city are mad educated. Sf has become Manhattanized. Crazy rent prices , forget owning a home. Tech industry take over. The blacks who remain are all stuck in the southeast side in the hood. Even historically Black areas like the Fillmore have been gentrified and full of high rent and cacs now. When I first moved to the Bay SF had mad Black folks. Now they all in the East Bay due to being pushed out.
 
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this is what niggaz fail to realize......the unemployment rate anywhere and in any city....is based on those that are currently receiving unemployment benefits. it doesn't include those who's benefits have run out and are still unemployed as well as those that have just stopped looking for work at all. so the numbers are alot higher than people think. what is it going to take for people to realize this? The lower unemployment rate may be partly due to more people’s having given up looking for work and that low-wage and temporary jobs may be the U.S.’s new economic normal. When those unemployment benefits run out and people still can't find a job....they are no longer counted as being a part of the unemployed according to the stats and surveys that are reported in the news and in the papers. The number of unemployed is damn near tripled what is being reported......and thats real.
 
Re: "Jobless in Seattle"-- Will Seattle stumble if it raises its minimum wage to $15/

this is what niggaz fail to realize......the unemployment rate anywhere and in any city....is based on those that are currently receiving unemployment benefits. it doesn't include those who's benefits have run out and are still unemployed as well as those that have just stopped looking for work at all. so the numbers are alot higher than people think. what is it going to take for people to realize this? The lower unemployment rate may be partly due to more people’s having given up looking for work and that low-wage and temporary jobs may be the U.S.’s new economic normal. When those unemployment benefits run out and people still can't find a job....they are no longer counted as being a part of the unemployed according to the stats and surveys that are reported in the news and in the papers. The number of unemployed is damn near tripled what is being reported......and thats real.


DON'T get it twisted, I AGREE with you on these points, but how much better is being underemployed when you're working and yet STILL can't afford to put a roof over your head, or put food on the table for your family?!?

While $15/hr may seem unusually steep, that will become the new normal in Tech areas like Seattle, San Francisco, & even Houston, sooner or later it has to hit NYC as well, hopefully sooner. (but I'm just talking $10/hr here.)
 
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Seattle will be fine...

With Amazon, Microsoft, and Boeing there is alot of jobs out here hiring and the seattle area is booming right now. Everyone getting jobs in the aerospace field or a tech job.

Hell they just raised the minimum wage around the airport here from 10$ to 15$ an hour.

Dont forget that we also legalized weed and that dispensaries will be bringing in millions to the state around July/August.
 
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its so much shit to co-sign in this thread i dont even know where to begin



and the reason why pay is so shitty flipping burgers is because its a teenagers job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY FOLKS DONT GET THIS


when i was coming up all the cashier, stock, and burger flipping jobs was usually done by teens working their way thru school. Now the hierarchy in the workforce so fucked up you got old ass niggaz for whatever reason who have no money for retirement flipping burgers at mcdonalds complaining about they need to raise minimum wages.

Now when i go in a fastfood place all i see is fucking old heads in there working. As a matter of fact i cant think of the last time i saw a teenager working at one of these jobs. I was at the mall damn footlocker full of old ass niggaz. So now you got kids competing with old niggaz for jobs. The good jobs are cutting corners because greed for example now companys are hiring contractors because its more cost effective. They are hiring these contractors str8 out of college and pay them 18 a hr but the dude who actually worked for the company was let go because he was making 22. They figure why pay a person 22 (which is what the job is actually worth) when we can get some happy go lucky college kid who probably will take the 18 a hr just to pay his loans.


Man i've seen so much shady shit since I have graduated in been in the workforce :smh::smh::smh::smh: Greed will be the down fall of america i swear.
 
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well, according to the BGOLFinancialWizKids you'll have to take that on the chin and call it "the price of doing business"....but it's all good because according to them you'll be able to keep the shop open, so you're in good shape ;)

I'm as business owner and I cannot concieve of a scenario where this works in all but very high end food businesses. Heres the math for a small place.


A delivery guy = $15
Waitress = is it a new tipped wage of $15
Busboy/Prep Guy = $15
Chef/Head Cook = $20
Prep Cook = $15
Front House Manager = $15

$95 an hour in salary = $760 daily = $5320 weekly. Not to mention the unemployment insurance, tax etc that comes with that!

I want workers making more money for sure. I just dont think this is the way to do it. I dont see how this works at all. Someone should be able to explain how this can work.
 
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and the reason why pay is so shitty flipping burgers is because its a teenagers job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY FOLKS DONT GET THIS

Because statistics say different.
 
Let me tell you why San Francisco has low unemployment. Because the rich people have pushed out the poor. Most people in the city are mad educated. Sf has become Manhattanized. Crazy rent prices , forget owning a home. Tech industry take over. The blacks who remain are all stuck in the southeast side in the hood. Even historically Black areas like the Fillmore have been gentrified and full of high rent and cacs now. When I first moved to the Bay SF had mad Black folks. Now they all in the East Bay due to being pushed out.

I went out there cause I'm looking to move out west later this year.. Went to San Diego, San Francisco and Oakland.. San Diego is nice.. Expensive but nice. Have a military buddy out there in San Mateo.. The holy fuck, 2 bedroom homes in the low million and shit, we went toward Sausilito.. Reasonable but still goddamn expensive..Nigga gonna say we might as well not even go city limits in SF. I make very good money considering the economy even I'm priced out.. Looking at Berkeley right now.

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I'm as business owner and I cannot concieve of a scenario where this works in all but very high end food businesses. Heres the math for a small place.


A delivery guy = $15
Waitress = is it a new tipped wage of $15
Busboy/Prep Guy = $15
Chef/Head Cook = $20
Prep Cook = $15
Front House Manager = $15

$95 an hour in salary = $760 daily = $5320 weekly. Not to mention the unemployment insurance, tax etc that comes with that!

I want workers making more money for sure. I just dont think this is the way to do it. I dont see how this works at all. Someone should be able to explain how this can work.

These cats on here get regular paychecks, not knowing how ownership works and think this shit is mathematically sound.. If I was a small business owner in SEA, I would consider this a declaration of war.. My overall cost for employing just one person goes up nearly 30%+ and I have no guarantee that my sales will increase to offset that? That's a lose-lose if your business is small or fledgling..

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its so much shit to co-sign in this thread i dont even know where to begin



and the reason why pay is so shitty flipping burgers is because its a teenagers job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY FOLKS DONT GET THIS


when i was coming up all the cashier, stock, and burger flipping jobs was usually done by teens working their way thru school. Now the hierarchy in the workforce so fucked up you got old ass niggaz for whatever reason who have no money for retirement flipping burgers at mcdonalds complaining about they need to raise minimum wages.

Now when i go in a fastfood place all i see is fucking old heads in there working. As a matter of fact i cant think of the last time i saw a teenager working at one of these jobs. I was at the mall damn footlocker full of old ass niggaz. So now you got kids competing with old niggaz for jobs. The good jobs are cutting corners because greed for example now companys are hiring contractors because its more cost effective. They are hiring these contractors str8 out of college and pay them 18 a hr but the dude who actually worked for the company was let go because he was making 22. They figure why pay a person 22 (which is what the job is actually worth) when we can get some happy go lucky college kid who probably will take the 18 a hr just to pay his loans.


Man i've seen so much shady shit since I have graduated in been in the workforce :smh::smh::smh::smh: Greed will be the down fall of america i swear.

Dude, exactly how do you make a statement like this:

and the reason why pay is so shitty flipping burgers is because its a teenagers job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY FOLKS DONT GET THIS

And then IMMEDIATELY INVALIDATE it with this

when i was coming up all the cashier, stock, and burger flipping jobs was usually done by teens working their way thru school. Now the hierarchy in the workforce so fucked up you got old ass niggaz for whatever reason who have no money for retirement flipping burgers at mcdonalds complaining about they need to raise minimum wages.

And then qualify AND quantify THAT statement with this:

Now when i go in a fastfood place all i see is fucking old heads in there working. As a matter of fact i cant think of the last time i saw a teenager working at one of these jobs. I was at the mall damn footlocker full of old ass niggaz. So now you got kids competing with old niggaz for jobs. The good jobs are cutting corners because greed for example now companys are hiring contractors because its more cost effective. They are hiring these contractors str8 out of college and pay them 18 a hr but the dude who actually worked for the company was let go because he was making 22. They figure why pay a person 22 (which is what the job is actually worth) when we can get some happy go lucky college kid who probably will take the 18 a hr just to pay his loans.

WTH are you thinking?!?:hithead:

In other words, you made a statement, and then COMPLETELY torpedoed it, the average fast food worker is NO LONGER a teenager, they are now 29, so therefore not only are the odds that they still live with Mom & Dad remote (if they do, it's NOT of their choosing), but they likely have kids, and have been released/terminated from their former, higher paying jobs.

And before you start "laughing" @ older people not having/having enough retirement money, ya'll have to remember that 401K's are the NEW normal (the same as diversified stock portfolios, the man who came up with the idea was initially laughed @, only years later when people realized that he was RIGHT did he win the Nobel Prize for Economics), pensions and retirement plans were once the domains of the company you worked for, and doled out SOLELY @ their discretion, these companies going out of business, being taken over by companies like Romney's Bain Capital, and CEOs & other Board members looting company piggy banks while laying people off have FORCED not thousands, but MILLIONS of people back into the workforce, and THEN you can add in your own previous statements.

The minimum wage needs to be raised, $15/hr is too high, $10/hr, phased in over time, is reasonable.


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I'm as business owner and I cannot concieve of a scenario where this works in all but very high end food businesses. Heres the math for a small place.


A delivery guy = $15
Waitress = is it a new tipped wage of $15
Busboy/Prep Guy = $15
Chef/Head Cook = $20
Prep Cook = $15
Front House Manager = $15

$95 an hour in salary = $760 daily = $5320 weekly. Not to mention the unemployment insurance, tax etc that comes with that!

I want workers making more money for sure. I just dont think this is the way to do it. I dont see how this works at all. Someone should be able to explain how this can work.

don't even worry about it bruh..... the homie Djmarkxr7 is in here and he'll let you know how wrong you are......basically your whole mentality is all a myth and giving uneducated lazy people more money is good for everyone!:yes:
 
I'm as business owner and I cannot concieve of a scenario where this works in all but very high end food businesses. Heres the math for a small place.





A delivery guy = $15

Waitress = is it a new tipped wage of $15

Busboy/Prep Guy = $15

Chef/Head Cook = $20

Prep Cook = $15

Front House Manager = $15



$95 an hour in salary = $760 daily = $5320 weekly. Not to mention the unemployment insurance, tax etc that comes with that!



I want workers making more money for sure. I just dont think this is the way to do it. I dont see how this works at all. Someone should be able to explain how this can work.


I agree. Have a couple friends that are restaurant/bar owners an think it's only because of the alcohol element that it might be doable for them.
 
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don't even worry about it bruh..... the homie Djmarkxr7 is in here and he'll let you know how wrong you are......basically your whole mentality is all a myth and giving uneducated lazy people more money is good for everyone!:yes:

Sorry lex, I'm cosigning a raise in the Federal minimum wage to $10, whether or not $15 is doable in Seattle remains to be seen, but the BS answers that most have given here don't hold weight, Seattle's a different beast due to the Tech industries base there, peeps had a problem up there for a long time finding labor because the cost of living was/is so high, imagine having to commute over 2 hours a day (something which is actually normal here in NYC) because you can't afford to live closer, THEN double gas prices from $2 to almost $4 and you begin to understand why they had to raise their minimum wage to $9+ to begin with, now mix in landlords artificially raising rents because they know what Tech people are making and the result is what we see in San Francisco & Houston now.

The ONE item that baffles me though is how they still could afford to pay tipped restaurant workers the same minimum wage, in most states that level is much lower (it actually remained @ $2.15/hr for several decades, Herman Cain was instrumental in keeping it @ that level) although many states recently have begun to raise this as in today's world, this minimum was barely enough to cover taxes, meaning that if you received no tips for the week, your ENTIRE check would go to taxes, does this seem fare?!?
 
The minimum wage increase in Seattle is supposed to happen over 7 years and is tied to inflation. Also, the majority of minimum wage earners work for the select few major corporations who can definitely afford it. There seems to be a lot of misinformation about what a minimum wage increase does and oftentimes there are anecdotes used stating that it would hurt small businesses but that is not the case considering the corporations who hire the majority of minimum wage workers. The argument against an increase confuses the issue for many because who wants to hurt the small business person, but the don't care about small businesses. It is the multinational corporations who are receiving record profits. When you have the media in your pocket then it is fairly simple to get people to not see what is in their best interest.

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I'm as business owner and I cannot concieve of a scenario where this works in all but very high end food businesses. Heres the math for a small place.


A delivery guy = $15
Waitress = is it a new tipped wage of $15
Busboy/Prep Guy = $15
Chef/Head Cook = $20
Prep Cook = $15
Front House Manager = $15

$95 an hour in salary = $760 daily = $5320 weekly. Not to mention the unemployment insurance, tax etc that comes with that!

I want workers making more money for sure. I just dont think this is the way to do it. I dont see how this works at all. Someone should be able to explain how this can work.

Damn. That's one way to look at it. I hear some franchise owners also end up eating costs when wages are raised. Corporations get over, but the people owning the franchises end up getting screwed.

It will be interesting to see how everything plays out. I wonder how grocery stores will pass the costs on?
 
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Sorry lex, I'm cosigning a raise in the Federal minimum wage to $10, whether or not $15 is doable in Seattle remains to be seen, but the BS answers that most have given here don't hold weight, Seattle's a different beast due to the Tech industries base there, peeps had a problem up there for a long time finding labor because the cost of living was/is so high, imagine having to commute over 2 hours a day (something which is actually normal here in NYC) because you can't afford to live closer, THEN double gas prices from $2 to almost $4 and you begin to understand why they had to raise their minimum wage to $9+ to begin with, now mix in landlords artificially raising rents because they know what Tech people are making and the result is what we see in San Francisco & Houston now.

The ONE item that baffles me though is how they still could afford to pay tipped restaurant workers the same minimum wage, in most states that level is much lower (it actually remained @ $2.15/hr for several decades, Herman Cain was instrumental in keeping it @ that level) although many states recently have begun to raise this as in today's world, this minimum was barely enough to cover taxes, meaning that if you received no tips for the week, your ENTIRE check would go to taxes, does this seem fare?!?

If the Federal minimum wage was capped at around 10 dollars, you'll see a forced exodus of people from the workforce as businesses chop heads off to maintain profit levels...basically three people now doing a job that usually employed five people to do it. I don't think people get it..the standard of living would be much tolerable if the Government didn't allow "free trade" bullshit like NAFTA and shit...
 
I don't think people get it..the standard of living would be much tolerable if the Government didn't allow "free trade" bullshit like NAFTA and shit...


WTO and all that shit. Just businesses trying to get cheaper labor for skilled jobs. Once the world demand fair wage shit would begin to get straight…… but not quite.

The "NEED" to show more profitability than the previous year is a creed begetting GREED.
 
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These cats on here get regular paychecks, not knowing how ownership works and think this shit is mathematically sound.. If I was a small business owner in SEA, I would consider this a declaration of war.. My overall cost for employing just one person goes up nearly 30%+ and I have no guarantee that my sales will increase to offset that? That's a lose-lose if your business is small or fledgling..

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If u have a new business u pretty much are gonna not have people on the books and pay them less until u can put them on. A wage increase of this size guarantees that a lot less workers will be ON the books.

The minimum wage needs to be raised, $15/hr is too high, $10/hr, phased in over time, is reasonable.


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I agree with this. U can't just double minimum wage on small businesses. The real issue is how will this wage increase handle tipped workers. A waitress can be paid $2.34 but have to make at least $7 an hour when tips are added. That's too small. It should be a $5 tipped wage. Tipped wages haven't changed in like 40 years or something like that. It's pretty egregious. But $10 an hour as fair number IMHO. Anyone who is doing anything for you should be able to earn that much at the lowest. I'd fully support that. I'd support a higher minimum wage that targeted businesses of a certain sector and size.
I agree. Have a couple friends that are restaurant/bar owners an think it's only because of the alcohol element that it might be doable for them.
Liquor covers for a lot because it's so profitable. But a $15 wage would mean there are less straight restaurants and more bar/restaurant/lounges. In wash heights MANY small restaurants are full blown lounges after 11pm making a lot of money. But with a $15 hour wage you would have to do it.
 
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No Risk, No Reward: Seattle Should Approve a $15 Minimum Wage
BY DANNY VINIK @dannyvinik
NEW REPUBLIC
ECONOMICS MAY 6, 2014


Last week, Seattle Mayor Ed Murray announced a plan to raise the city’s minimum wage to $15 an hour. That’s much higher than any minimum wage in the United States. In fact, it would be the highest in the world after adjusting for purchasing power. The Seattle city council still must approve the proposal, but Murray says that the majority of them support it.

The benefits of a $15 minimum wage, which would be phased in over three to seven years, are self-explanatory: higher wages for workers. As Slate’s Jordan Weissmann points out, the campaign for a $15 minimum wage has made the Democrats’ push for a $10.10 national minimum wage look like a bargain. But a higher minimum wage also poses three risks to Seattle’s low-wage workforce:


  • Employers hire fewer workers. This is the typical argument against raising the minimum wage. By raising the price of labor, employers will curtail their hiring, leading to fewer employed workers. The Congressional Budget Office estimated in February that increasing the national minimum wage to $10.10 would lead to a loss of 500,000 full-time equivalent jobs.

  • Employers move outside the city limits where the minimum wage is lower. This is not a problem for the national minimum wage since employers would face the same price floor across the entire country. But it is an issue for Seattle whose nearby suburbs operate with a lower minimum wage. (Although the voters of SeaTac, a city south of Seattle that mostly comprises the Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, voted in November to raise its minimum wage to $15 an hour.)

  • Employers replace human workers with computers. Economists have long debated whether technological innovations will take the place of workers. Proponents of the theory like Andrew McAfee and Erik Brynjolfsson argue that employers will find it more cost-effective to employ machines instead of humans. Raising the price of labor—particularly to such a high threshold—may tilt the scale further in the direction of automation.

If you’re a low-wage or unemployed Seattle worker, those are three big, scary risks. But the city's risk could be the rest of the country's gain, giving other states and the federal government a sense of what happens when you severely increase the minimum wage.

There's ample precedent for states serving as policy petri dishes. The individual mandate began as conservative idea in the Heritage Foundation in 1989, was implemented by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts, and became part of President Barack Obama’s health care law. During the first open enrollment window, Obamacare enrollment has followed a similar pattern nationally as it did in Massachusetts. Welfare reform in 1996 originated from the Wisconsin Works program under then-Governor Tommy Thompson, a Republican. Under the W-2 program, as it was known, welfare recipients had to either attend job-training programs or perform community service to collect their benefits.

In fact, this is how the national minimum wage originated, too. Massachusetts implemented the first non-compulsory minimum-wage law in 1912. Within the next eight years, 12 other states and the District of Columbia had their own minimum wage laws, although the Supreme Court struck down D.C.'s law that set a minimum wage for women and child laborers. In 1938, Congress passed a national minimum wage as part of the Fair Labor Standards Act and it eventually withstood a Supreme Court challenge.

The Massachusetts law could have been a disaster for its citizens, as no one knew for sure how a minimum wage would affect the economy. Instead, it laid the groundwork for a national minimum wage. Seattle’s low-wage workers may ultimately suffer for its $15 minimum wage, as conservatives and even some liberals are predicting. If it succeeds, though, Democrats would have a case for a higher national minimum wage than $10.10. We won’t know unless we try—a scary prospect for Seattle, but exciting for the rest of us.
 
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THis is what happens when all those folks that couldve been working those jobs that are being shipped over seas are stuck with nothing else to do. You try to pay them higher wages to do low level jobs that shouldnt be giving them higher wages.

Young kids cant even get jobs that were usually meant for young kids because you have 50+ year old folks stil workin in those jobs.

No matter if they raise the wages, truth is shit is bad out here and it aint getting any better. Hope yall have a plan B!
 
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