"Jobless in Seattle"-- Will Seattle stumble if it raises its minimum wage to $15/hr?

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Jobless in Seattle
If Seattle succeeds in raising its minimum wage to $15, the city will suffer.
By Jordan Weissmann


Economists everywhere may soon be thanking Seattle Mayor Ed Murray. Not because of his inspired policymaking, but because Murray seems ready to turn his city into a gigantic laboratory for one of the most ambitious, and quite possibly misbegotten, labor market experiments in recent memory.

Yesterday, Murray announced a plan that would gradually raise Seattle’s minimum wage to $15 an hour and tie it to inflation, which won approval from a large committee of business and labor leaders, as well as some city council members. Today, Washington state’s minimum is a comparatively piddly $9.32. The full council still has to consider Murray’s proposal, but should it pass, Seattle might not just have a far higher minimum wage than its surrounding suburbs, where businesses can easily move; it might well have the highest minimum wage in the world.

I generally support a higher pay floor. And I love a good experiment. But I can’t help but wonder if Seattle is poised to take a step too far.

The nationwide push for a $15 minimum wage that began with striking fast food employees has been a masterful public relations stroke. Its sheer audacity grabbed the media’s attention and has arguably reset the terms of the entire debate about worker pay. It has certainly made the proposal by congressional Democrats and President Obama for a $10.10 federal minimum look reasonable by comparison.

But while the fight for $15 has made for great politics—in Seattle, both mayoral candidates only adopted the idea last year after it was popularized by a socialist city council candidate, Kshama Sawant, who ultimately won her race—it’s built on dubious economics. The truth is, nobody has any idea what would happen if the minimum wage jumped that high. But there are good reasons to worry that results would be ugly.

The research literature on whether minimum wage increases kill jobs is decidedly mixed. Some economists have found that hikes lead to small job losses among teens and in industries like fast food. Others have found that losses are nonexistent, or at least negligible. In the end, I tend to argue that even if you assume reasonable job losses, middle-class and poor families come out ahead in the bargain. Though some workers end up unemployed, enough get raises to make the tradeoff worthwhile.

But that assumes we don’t lift the pay floor too high, too fast. Minimum wage studies have typically looked at small increases, somewhere around 50 cents or a dollar. Seattle’s proposal would be far larger. It would also have virtually no U.S. precedent. (Nearby neighbor SeaTac recently upped its own minimum to $15, but the city is little more than an airport and only 1,600 workers are affected.) Adjusted for inflation, the value of the U.S. minimum wage peaked at $10.66 in 1968, as shown in this American Enterprise Institute graph. That’s the ceiling on America’s historical experience.

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Seattle’s plan has little global precedent, either. As Tim Fernholz at Quartz notes, the city is essentially considering adopting the highest minimum wage on the globe. That may come as a surprise, if you’ve ever read about Australia’s roughly $15 minimum. But once you adjust for purchasing power, the wage floor down under, as well as in high-pay countries like Belgium and France, is closer to $10, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. If the Swiss vote to raise their minimum to $25, as they are considering, Bloomberg reports it would be worth just $14 on a purchasing power basis.

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Any plan that makes hiring a worker more expensive than in France should be cause for concern. We know that businesses in high-wage countries are especially eager to replace workers with software. Fast-food restaurants in Europe, for instance, have been some of the earliest adopters of labor saving technologies like digital kiosks where customers can order. Those innovations are already beginning to make headway in the United States. But by passing a $15 minimum, Seattle would risk speeding the process up within its city limits.

Don’t take my word for it. Listen to Arindrajit Dube, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst economist who is perhaps the foremost advocate for the idea that minimum wage increases don’t kill jobs. “Would I be concerned about possible job losses if there were a $15 minimum wage in the restaurant industry, yes, I’d be concerned,” he told the New York Times in December. “There are concerns that it might lead to the substitution of automation for workers.”

The move is especially risky for a single city, where businesses can easily choose to open or relocate in the suburbs. That fear convinced Washington, D.C. to coordinate its own recent minimum wage increase with some of its surrounding counties. Seattle isn’t taking any such precaution. (Again, SeaTac is barely a city.)

To his credit, Murray’s is trying to implement the idea gradually. Under his proposal, businesses would have between three and seven years to phase in the new minimum, depending on their size and whether employees get health care coverage or tips. Through 2024, some businesses will also be able to count $3 worth of tips or benefits toward the $15 total. By introducing the change over time, the city will give businesses leeway to adjust, if they can.

If they can’t, however, the impact could be vast. Researchers at the University of Washington have estimated that 102,000 workers in Seattle make $15 or less, meaning they would be directly affected by the hike. Murray is running his experiment with a quarter of his city’s workforce.

And yet, for all the red flags, I’m oddly glad he’s giving it a try. If the plan passes, it will be fascinating, and instructive, to see how such a hike plays out in a major American city. If it succeeds, it could mean a profound shift in how we think about worker pay. If not, Seattle will have taken out the idea for a test drive. Better that one city’s job market crash than a whole country’s.
 
Re: "Jobless in Seattle"-- Will Seattle stumble if it raises its minimum wage to $15/

Many small businesses will not be able to pay their staffs and eventually go out of business, and the price of just about everything will go up. Stupid idea!
 
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Corporations are greedy fucks, but if the minimum wage is raised to $15/hr, what will you demand your pay be increased to?

I brought up the example of new welders in the other thread. They start at around $15/hr. What will they(and others) demand when Walmart clerks and burger flippers get $15/hr?
 
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What's wrong with learning a trade and making money off that skill? What plumbers/electricians/HVAC techs do you know that make less than $45 an hour?

You know why folk get minimum wage for flipping burgers? Because a 12 year old can do it!! If you're 48 doing the job of a 12 year old no amount of government intervention is gonna save you from bad life choices.
 
Re: "Jobless in Seattle"-- Will Seattle stumble if it raises its minimum wage to $15/

Corporations are greedy fucks, but if the minimum wage is raised to $15/hr, what will you demand your pay be increased to?

I brought up the example of new welders in the other thread. They start at around $15/hr. What will they(and others) demand when Walmart clerks and burger flippers get $15/hr?

This nigga is a genius.
 
Re: "Jobless in Seattle"-- Will Seattle stumble if it raises its minimum wage to $15/

Many small businesses will not be able to pay their staffs and eventually go out of business, and the price of just about everything will go up. Stupid idea!

Speak for NYC, Lexx. It will hurt some small businesses, yes. That being said, Seattle's minimum wage is already $10/hr. It may be a hard adjustment for some companies but most will be okay. Since Seattle has one of the largest concentration of millionaires in the country, it is a good place to run this experiment. The people voted for it. They have been trying to get it for years now. The numbers have been run, already. Seattle can sustain itself on a $15/hr minimum wage. A lot of other places in the country can't but Seattle can.
Corporations are running every scare tactic they can to keep this from happening successfully because the last thing the rich want is to lose money.
 
Re: "Jobless in Seattle"-- Will Seattle stumble if it raises its minimum wage to $15/

Many small businesses will not be able to pay their staffs and eventually go out of business, and the price of just about everything will go up. Stupid idea!

Which is what Repubs said back when Seattle originally raised their minimum wage to over $9/hr, & when San Francisco raised theirs to over $10/hr (currently $10.74) they ALL said that jobs would leave & businesses would shut down..., yet San Francisco is currently the SECOND fastest growing city in terms of ADDING JOBS to the country @ large, private employment has GROWN almost 5.6% since 2004, when they first significantly started raising their own minimum wage above the Federal standard.

Talk what you know bruh, NOT speculation, peep the article!

http://www.businessweek.com/article...os-higher-minimum-wage-hasnt-hurt-the-economy

Let's stop talking "voodoo" type ish here, Obamacare is working, with the 288,000 jobs added last month, unemployment is now @ levels on par with BEFORE the 2008 collapse, & Wall Street is seeing record highs, with dips only due to the uncertainty in the Ukraine, ALL of these were foretold by Republicans NOT TO BE POSSIBLE under 4 more years of Obama, what say ya'll now?!?

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Re: "Jobless in Seattle"-- Will Seattle stumble if it raises its minimum wage to $15/

Which is what Repubs said back when Seattle originally raised their minimum wage to over $9/hr, & when San Francisco raised theirs to over $10/hr (currently $10.74) they ALL said that jobs would leave & businesses would shut down..., yet San Francisco is currently the SECOND fastest growing city in terms of ADDING JOBS to the country @ large, private employment has GROWN almost 5.6% since 2004, when they first significantly started raising their own minimum wage above the Federal standard.

Talk what you know bruh, NOT speculation, peep the article!

http://www.businessweek.com/article...os-higher-minimum-wage-hasnt-hurt-the-economy

Let's stop talking "voodoo" type ish here, Obamacare is working, with the 288,000 jobs added last month, unemployment is now @ levels on par with BEFORE the 2008 collapse, & Wall Street is seeing record highs, with dips only due to the uncertainty in the Ukraine, ALL of these were foretold by Republicans NOT TO BE POSSIBLE under 4 more years of Obama, what say ya'll now?!?

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Shit. The cost of living in SF and Seattle is among the highest in the world.

http://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/index

Keep raising that shit and it will keep going higher. Corporations always pass the costs on. The greedy fucks that they are.

I didn't look, but I'm sure government jobs have to have a pay increase. For example, a low-cost of living state like Ohio has State Troopers making 'only'$60,000. In NY(high cost of living), they make six figures and are second only to judges in pay. Where does that money come from to pay those folks?

I don't know how to check corporate greed, but best believe a lot of people will demand more for their services if low-skilled workers earn $15/hr.

And what about telecommuting? That will increase in the future. Why pay a Seattle programmer the going rate when you can hire one in Cleveland for Ohio prices? Why not hire call center operators in Ohio? People will treat other parts of this country like they are hiring workers in India.
 
Re: "Jobless in Seattle"-- Will Seattle stumble if it raises its minimum wage to $15/

Corporations are greedy fucks, but if the minimum wage is raised to $15/hr, what will you demand your pay be increased to?

I brought up the example of new welders in the other thread. They start at around $15/hr. What will they(and others) demand when Walmart clerks and burger flippers get $15/hr?

They will demand NOTHING, starting pay is what it is, they ALL will make significantly more as they gain experience & put in time on the job!

Jobs like that are what they are, they're NOT about starting pay, they're about getting into the union & gaining time & experience.

Put it this way, back in 1990 a NY Telephone linesman started @ $7.05/hr, but they topped out @ over $20/hr after several years on the job (and that doesn't account for switching to other departments which make more money, or promotions as well!), WHO FUCKING CARES where you begin, it's where you end up that matters!!!
 
Re: "Jobless in Seattle"-- Will Seattle stumble if it raises its minimum wage to $15/

Shit. The cost of living in SF and Seattle is among the highest in the world.

http://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/index

Keep raising that shit and it will keep going higher. Corporations always pass the costs on. The greedy fucks that they are.

I didn't look, but I'm sure government jobs have to have a pay increase. For example, a low-cost of living state like Ohio has State Troopers making 'only'$60,000. In NY(high cost of living), they make six figures and are second only to judges in pay. Where does that money come from to pay those folks?

I don't know how to check corporate greed, but best believe a lot of people will demand more for their services if low-skilled workers earn $15/hr.

And what about telecommuting? That will increase in the future. Why pay a Seattle programmer the going rate when you can hire one in Cleveland for Ohio prices? Why not hire call center operators in Ohio? People will treat other parts of this country like they are hiring workers in India.


You're linking salaries after the fact, NY State Troopers (as well as small town cops on Long Island like Garden City) have made significantly more $$$ than their midwest brethren for YEARS, NOT because of the higher cost of living, but due to the stronger union presence here, this has resulted of course in Nassau/Suffolk County having some of the HIGHEST property taxes in the country, but their pay is commensurate with their responsibilities, Nassau/Suffolk police were required to have 4 year college degrees long before most municipalities.

While you're correct about telecommuting, those aren't the type of jobs that we're talking about here, those types of jobs are already being done the way you describe, Seattle (& other cities like them) found that they couldn't hire/find good workers because of the high cost of living, workers simply couldn't afford to live anywhere near where they world, and slowly but surely the commute ended up costing them more than the job was worth, this is why wages were increased.

In NYC, we need to see the same thing, HOWEVER, the situation, while extremely bad, isn't as desperate here simply because of the transit system being as intricate & widespread as it is, there is NO PLACE within the 5 boros that you couldn't get to for $5 or less, years ago I used to have to go from the border of Queens/LI all the way to the opposite side of Staten Island, a distance of 35 miles (and includes a free ferry ride), all I had to pay were 2 fares, it was a bus, a train, a ferry & another bus, each one from its first stop to the last, it took 2.5 hours but was doable, there aren't many other places like this, but NYC's minimum needs to be $10 as well, it's still stuck @ the Federal minimum of $7.25/hr, meanwhile a studio apartment here will run $800-$1000/month, YOU do the math!


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Re: "Jobless in Seattle"-- Will Seattle stumble if it raises its minimum wage to $15/

You're linking salaries after the fact, NY State Troopers (as well as small town cops on Long Island like Garden City) have made significantly more $$$ than their midwest brethren for YEARS, NOT because of the higher cost of living, but due to the stronger union presence here, this has resulted of course in Nassau/Suffolk County having some of the HIGHEST property taxes in the country, but their pay is commensurate with their responsibilities, Nassau/Suffolk police were required to have 4 year college degrees long before most municipalities.

While you're correct about telecommuting, those aren't the type of jobs that we're talking about here, those types of jobs are already being done the way you describe, Seattle (& other cities like them) found that they couldn't hire/find good workers because of the high cost of living, workers simply couldn't afford to live anywhere near where they world, and slowly but surely the commute ended up costing them more than the job was worth, this is why wages were increased.

In NYC, we need to see the same thing, HOWEVER, the situation, while extremely bad, isn't as desperate here simply because of the transit system being as intricate & widespread as it is, there is NO PLACE within the 5 boros that you couldn't get to for $5 or less, years ago I used to have to go from the border of Queens/LI all the way to the opposite side of Staten Island, a distance of 35 miles (and includes a free ferry ride), all I had to pay were 2 fares, it was a bus, a train, a ferry & another bus, each one from its first stop to the last, it took 2.5 hours but was doable, there aren't many other places like this, but NYC's minimum needs to be $10 as well, it's still stuck @ the Federal minimum of $7.25/hr, meanwhile a studio apartment here will run $800-$1000/month, YOU do the math!


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But when have these greedy fucks not passed the cost on?

Look at Bic Mac prices. They are already $4.75 in SF and $4.50 in Seattle. Seattle is already priced $1 more than Ohio.

http://www.humuch.com/prices/Big-Mac-sandwich/______/17

How will franchise owners and corporations respond to an increase in the minimum wage? They will try to get their money right the fuck back. How will people with higher paying jobs react(and unions)? They will want to get more money.

Although it's true corps can afford to pay more, they never do the right thing. They always make up for 'lost profits' with more greed.

Telecommuting will grow in the future. Most companies that should do it aren't doing it. Companies located in areas with higher minimum wages will outsource to lower-wage states in increasing numbers.

Wage inequality is hard to attack. But I know every time the wage goes up, I see these greedy fucks raise prices everywhere.
 
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this is about to turn into an animosity thread..nigs gonna cry and complain about people making da same amount as them flipping burgers while they had to spend yrs of college and owe mad loans to get the same pay..they're gonna say flipping burgers is a kid job...well there are people who play kid games like poker and make 6-7 figs a yr doin so..nigs make 6 figs playing vidgames..sports betting a teen can do that yet there grownups that make 6 figs and higher doin the samething..lots of kids things that make grownups rich but u guys don't complain bout that
 
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It wont matter. Minimum wage in San Francisco is 10.74 and they are about to raise it to 15 and it's still not an affordable city. You need to make about $35 an hour just to get by in SF.
 
But when have these greedy fucks not passed the cost on?

Look at Bic Mac prices. They are already $4.75 in SF and $4.50 in Seattle. Seattle is already priced $1 more than Ohio.

http://www.humuch.com/prices/Big-Mac-sandwich/______/17

How will franchise owners and corporations respond to an increase in the minimum wage? They will try to get their money right the fuck back. How will people with higher paying jobs react(and unions)? They will want to get more money.

Although it's true corps can afford to pay more, they never do the right thing. They always make up for 'lost profits' with more greed.

Telecommuting will grow in the future. Most companies that should do it aren't doing it. Companies located in areas with higher minimum wages will outsource to lower-wage states in increasing numbers.

Wage inequality is hard to attack. But I know every time the wage goes up, I see these greedy fucks raise prices everywhere.

There will be a price point where people will just stop buying big macs.

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Their bread and butter is Microsoft a "computer" company and other ancillary companies in the area. Planning and equalization of energy is what a computer improves upon each generation.

If you are advocating unrestrained, unaccounted for capitalism, this does not fit the character of the city or companies in the area.

 
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What businesses can still be profitable and what business would move or start up in Seattle just to fail under the burden of paying high wages...?

Seattle's economy...

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Re: "Jobless in Seattle"-- Will Seattle stumble if it raises its minimum wage to $15/

But when have these greedy fucks not passed the cost on?

Look at Bic Mac prices. They are already $4.75 in SF and $4.50 in Seattle. Seattle is already priced $1 more than Ohio.

http://www.humuch.com/prices/Big-Mac-sandwich/______/17

How will franchise owners and corporations respond to an increase in the minimum wage? They will try to get their money right the fuck back. How will people with higher paying jobs react(and unions)? They will want to get more money.

Although it's true corps can afford to pay more, they never do the right thing. They always make up for 'lost profits' with more greed.

Telecommuting will grow in the future. Most companies that should do it aren't doing it. Companies located in areas with higher minimum wages will outsource to lower-wage states in increasing numbers.

Wage inequality is hard to attack. But I know every time the wage goes up, I see these greedy fucks raise prices everywhere.

LOL, McDonald's already charges that for Big Macs here in NYC WHILE STILL STARTING employees @ $7.25/hr!

Of course it will be passed on to the customer, it always is, but the amount that is needed to raise the price is nowhere near as high as you think, it would only takes a few cents, of course it will depend on how the "raise" is phased in, they will show a lower profit during the "adjustment" period, but the bottom line is that it is the cost of doing business, no different than having to buy a grill or an oven.

Wage inequality is not that hard to attack, big business has had it their way for so long that they're just making it seem that way.

And telecommuting only applies to jobs that are computer based, you can't telecommute garbage pick-up, service @ a diner or stocking shelves @ Costco or the Gap.


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What businesses can still be profitable and what business would move or start up in Seattle just to fail under the burden of paying high wages...?

Sorry bruh, but it's simply the cost of doing business, you don't complain about the cost of a washing machine if you run a cleaning service, do you?!?.

And you're thinking backwards, while it will cost you more to do business there, the people as a whole make more money, which in turn means that they have more disposable income to spend IN YOUR STORE, or in other words, if you only have to pay $7.25/hr but nobody has any money to spend in your store, how much did you save?!?:dunno:
 
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LOL, McDonald's already charges that for Big Macs here in NYC WHILE STILL STARTING employees @ $7.25/hr!

Of course it will be passed on to the customer, it always is, but the amount that is needed to raise the price is nowhere near as high as you think, it would only takes a few cents, of course it will depend on how the "raise" is phased in, they will show a lower profit during the "adjustment" period, but the bottom line is that it is the cost of doing business, no different than having to buy a grill or an oven.

Wage inequality is not that hard to attack, big business has had it their way for so long that they're just making it seem that way.

And telecommuting only applies to jobs that are computer based, you can't telecommute garbage pick-up, service @ a diner or stocking shelves @ Costco or the Gap.


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I think the best way to attack the problem is to have minimum wage attached to the cost-of-living(or some kind of similar metric) and adjust it each year. When the greedy fucks try to pass the costs, the wage will just catch up.
 
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What businesses can still be profitable and what business would move or start up in Seattle just to fail under the burden of paying high wages...?

Seattle's economy...

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The same businesses that employ most of Seattle now: Amazon, Microsoft, Boeing, Starbucks, etc.
The $15 wage increase is mainly for the food service industry.
 
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i can see it now.......beer at a Seahawks game.....$35
 
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i can see it now.......beer at a Seahawks game.....$35

as a consumer u juss don't have to buy it..$5 big macs don't have to eat it go home and cook
 
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as a consumer u juss don't have to buy it..$5 big macs don't have to eat it go home and cook

That would be fine if meat at the local grocery store wouldn't go up $10+ as well. If this pans out well, great, but most likely there's gonna be a negative domino effect from this most people aren't thinking about for the time being. One being, mom & pop stores/businesses won't be able thrive at all.

Seattle's current min wage should be the standard across the country, but I don't know how much good will really come from rising it up to $15. That $5 and change is a big jump.​
 
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this is about to turn into an animosity thread..nigs gonna cry and complain about people making da same amount as them flipping burgers while they had to spend yrs of college and owe mad loans to get the same pay..they're gonna say flipping burgers is a kid job...well there are people who play kid games like poker and make 6-7 figs a yr doin so..nigs make 6 figs playing vidgames..sports betting a teen can do that yet there grownups that make 6 figs and higher doin the samething..lots of kids things that make grownups rich but u guys don't complain bout that

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Cat's still stuck in consumer mindset. Businesses move and plan starts in the most conducive atmosphere for their business to survive, it's just common sense...Weather, tax structure and wages.
Wages and tax structure make or break profit margins, which make or break businesses and local economies..

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Re: "Jobless in Seattle"-- Will Seattle stumble if it raises its minimum wage to $15/

That would be fine if meat at the local grocery store wouldn't go up $10+ as well. If this pans out well, great, but most likely there's gonna be a negative domino effect from this most people aren't thinking about for the time being. One being, mom & pop stores/businesses won't be able thrive at all.

Seattle's current min wage should be the standard across the country, but I don't know how much good will really come from rising it up to $15. That $5 and change is a big jump.​

a lot of mom and pop stores have inhouse employees..many times it's family members or friends working and a lot of times it's undertable bread..there's a whole underground economy thru under the table pay..maybe it's diff in seattle but here in ny there's a lot of people that's "unemployed" on the books but off the books they making bread..dats why when i always see unemployment percentages i always got a smirk cause there's a lot of people getting money but juss not claiming it..get govt benefits and get tax free money dats been the mindset for many people for decades
 
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I think the best way to attack the problem is to have minimum wage attached to the cost-of-living(or some kind of similar metric) and adjust it each year. When the greedy fucks try to pass the costs, the wage will just catch up.

Should be linked to both cost-of-living and productivity (to give something back to business), should be adjusted every 3-5 years, in between that regular raises would apply, annual adjustment too cumbersome for industry, also makes it much harder for start-ups to create business plans.

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Re: "Jobless in Seattle"-- Will Seattle stumble if it raises its minimum wage to $15/

Cat's still stuck in consumer mindset. Businesses move and plan starts in the most conducive atmosphere for their business to survive, it's just common sense...Weather, tax structure and wages.
Wages and tax structure make or break profit margins, which make or break businesses and local economies..

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You are correct, but explain why San Francisco has the highest min. wage in the country ($10.74) and @ the same time is adding more jobs to the economy, @ a clip of 6% & rising, and more importantly HIGHER than the surrounding cities/counties?!?

Keep in mind that this is on top of California as a state also raising the minimum wage for restaurant workers as well.

Why not do as New York State is doing, creating tax free zones for new business for 10 years, the tax base created from a multitude of new workers being paid a living wage far outweighs the state taxes collected from one business.:dunno:


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Seattle will suck jobs from the rest of America, as its employees
have the highest income, and spend more... watch...
 
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The same businesses that employ most of Seattle now: Amazon, Microsoft, Boeing, Starbucks, etc.
The $15 wage increase is mainly for the food service industry.

I'm in that industry. No way I could be open with wages like that for EVERYONE!!

A fucking Burger would be $25. ANd alot of people would get laid off.
 
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I'm in that industry. No way I could be open with wages like that for EVERYONE!!

A fucking Burger would be $25. ANd alot of people would get laid off.

well, according to the BGOLFinancialWizKids you'll have to take that on the chin and call it "the price of doing business"....but it's all good because according to them you'll be able to keep the shop open, so you're in good shape ;)
 
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