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this king tut interview u can take it for what its worth....many articles say he was killed in 1997 but he's still alive in prison. i never got an official link for this interview, it was posted a couple years back on bomb1st, they said its a 2009 interview done by king magazine (there are grammar errors). But, i think its real, because too much info is given that lines up with other facts and stories.


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Yo this Brother was crazy they don't tell you the Church was his moms, and that guys looking for him at his place in Cypress hills ended up shooting his mothers leg going after him. Almost had a run in with him Mistaken id on the A Train, then years later finding out he's family of family. my moms things were stolen in CH he got it back that night, Brooklyn is too small of a world for me had to leave.
 
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You can't be in the music business and not deal with gangsters of some sort.Like Trick-Trick said everytime he touches down in a city,no matter what he reaches out to some people to let them know he's there so that he would be good in that city,He's not talking about other rappers either.

Jimmy and the rest of them were the dudes you would contact when visiting their stomping grounds.

That's just the way it is,I would rather do that than having every dude in the middle of know where looking to make a name testing me or my crew.

But there is a big difference between doing what you just described, which is for security, and actually trying to roll with these guys like they are your friends and you are part of the crew and you live the life they live.

No matter how much Pac wanted it so, those guys were never his friends, he was never part of their crew and he never was about that life.
 
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But there is a big difference between doing what you just described, which is for security, and actually trying to roll with these guys like they are your friends and you are part of the crew and you live the life they live.

No matter how much Pac wanted it so, those guys were never his friends, he was never part of their crew and he never was about that life.

Nor is anybody who gets their head put on flat, buried in the desert, or soaked with gas burned alive.

Rarely is anybody about that life when the grim reaper brings consequence to prior action.

Pac went full bore knowing what was coming down the line. If he happen to make through the hoops , he would have made it. He didnt & had enough intuition to know he wouldnt. Thats why its so many records about dying. A couple hundred. Accountability to his own actions & life.

Ask a kamikaze was he about that life ... If its possible.

The muthafuckaz who aint bout that the life are the "real gangstaz" singing like parakeets in jail who werent lucky enough to be killed. So the self serving sociopaths talk & talk to get released.

Allstate scroll back up to post #60 in that first verse Face raps :

If it's yours, say it's yours, take the case, do your time
When you was out here gettin money from it e'rything was fine

Thats who aint bout that life.
 
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When 50 and lightly were sitting at the table with him and the pig approached.

Ok I read that part where as the extortion? No money changed hands

Giving artist to managers and AR's always been a part of the business

I don't see the extortion in this case wit 50...
 
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Diddy is just as dirty, cats clown him but notice he can't be touched but he can blacklist any artist he chooses to and they don't say shit. The lox got raped by Diddy and claim to be goons but never go hard dissing him. loon who was a real goon crazy nigga apologizes to Diddy when he fucks up, black rob, stick up man, crying and apologizing to Diddy. Puff is a grimy ass god father like nigga who is mad connected thanks to his pops.

Feds trying hard to get puff and throw all sorts of garbage trying to get it to stick. They can't get him.

This is false. Lox was going at Diddy CRAZILY! It was pretty aggressive. They dissed him alot on the radio in interviews were talking reckless. Now actual action done, no.

Loon was a street dude, he was a live dude, but just being live doesn't mean anything. If you aint making no money and therefore dont have a team, ur just some tough guy. That shit dont mean shit.

Black Rob another one, he was a street dude, did bids, but hes just some guy with a substance abuse problem doing greaseball shit. That shit don't matter. NIggas with resumes like his and Loon's are a dime a dozen.

Difference between them and a guy like Jimmy Henchmen, is Jimmy was real smart, had money, and had some kind of organization. His team was making money, niggas were on the payroll. NOt just a random assortment of derelict niggas you grew up with who don't have shit. Real different scenario.

DOn't know about all that Puff godfather shit. I met, been around these dudes and know dudes in their circle. Not Jimmy, but Loon, LOX, Black Rob, and yes Puff.

Puff aint no godfather, but he's not the mr. softy he portrays on TV. He knows how to move, he's learned the hard way. And it aint cuz of his pops neither. His pops was killed a long fucking time ago and puff is 200+ million in. His pops name aint gonna get him the protection he needs at this level. He's got money and he's smart. 90% of the shit is staying out of certain places. You can beef with Puff all you want, but how r u gonna touch him?

When He drives in NYC he has several black SUVs following him like the president.
 
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that slim the mobster shit is crazy cause when jimmy first got arrested he said slim stole 250,000 from him, now the nigga jus full on snitching :smh:

Rollin 100'z Budlong gangstaz

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You see young Philly Stevie in Slim video, Riding 600'z off skateboarding - DGK all day. Dirty Ghetto Kids running that skateboard game. Stevie had the high rise condo on Fountain in West Hollywood. Dedication , buy you some.

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If that skating aint impressive. Go stand on a skateboard. Steve did just about everything backwards in that video - switch. Like boxing southpaw when its not your natural stance.
 
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Puff is a grimy ass god father like nigga who is mad connected thanks to his pops. Feds trying hard to get puff and throw all sorts of garbage trying to get it to stick. They can't get him.

He must be the Marc Morial of the rap game...


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i know this is a lot of different shyt, but i don't have time to make a bunch of separate post, there's only a couple of us on here interested in this kind of shyt...shyt it took me a few days to even get time to respond. been real busy!


here's a few other tidbits..


we know haitian jack was a plant, i personally believe henchman was and that's how he arrogantly got away with doing so much dirt (extorting, having people shot, robbed, providing illegal protection, selling drugs, etc...) for years. there's one audio interview were pac mentions he believed the rape case was a setup....i do too.....jack and henchman knew the victim before pac did...they also had police connections, pac even said the same officer that took the stand in the rape was the first he saw after being shot at quad.... they said haitian jack was the only man mike tyson feared... there's big rumors that haitian jack had tyson's good friend and bodyguard killed....tyson possibly put out a $100,000 hit on him that went dry..like biggie, tyson warned tupac about dealing with those guys, tyson told pac, jack was "bad news". pac and tyson both caught rape cases by women jack had known...:hmm: i could be wrong but its not hard for me to see jack and jimmy being plants who the govt. could also use to frame successful blacks.



from Connie Bruck's "The Takedown of Tupac" in the New Yorker..
"His (haitian jack's) lawyer was Paul Brenner, who had worked for the Policemen's Benevolent Association and bragged that "the police are friends of mine." Ayanna Jackson, the nineteen-year-old woman who brought the assault charges against Tupac , says that Haitian Jack told her, as Tupac was led away, that he "would hate to see what happened to Mike [Tyson] happen to Tupac."

Bruck reports that Tyson called Tupac from prison and warned him to watch out for Haitian Jack. Bruck does not mention what may have prompted the call: After Tyson's release from prison, five members of his jury said they wanted to change the verdict when they found out that defense evidence had been suppressed that showed Tyson's alleged victim, Desiree Washington, had been willingly going at it hot and heavy with Tyson in a limo and that, contrary to her testimony, Washington had a financial agreement with a civil attorney.

The parallels are eerie: Two black male celebrities who are hated by the police and are well known by Haitian Jack, two "victims" who sue for civil damages, two prosecutors with obvious agendas beyond determining guilt and innocence...."


the unauthorized haitian jack is inaccurate in the first few paragraphs confusing jack with henchman:smh:


while many reports say stretch was killed over drugs....there are a few whispers that henchman had stretch killed, that's why it happened a year to the date pac was shot and why pac says i guess his new friends wanted him dead... there's some online rumor, stretch pulled out a gun on henchman, i have never heard it or could never confirm that one....


stretch's brother majesty says pac and stretch were cool all the way up to pac going in for his bid, he says they were still hanging out and everything.


from prodigy's My Infamous Life book...

"E Money Bags went on to tell me how he was connected with Tupac. Bag's homeboy Majesty and Majesty's brother Big Stretch were blood cousins with Young Noble from Tupac's group the Outlawz, so they all hung out on a regular basis in the early nineties. Tupac wa so tight with Big Stretch that he'd given him appearances in two of his movies. Above the Rim and Bullet.

While he was in New York Shooting above the rim, Tupac had also befriended some dudes from Brooklyn, Jamaican Jackson (Haitian Jack) and Johnny Lynchman (Jimmy Henchmen) as well as a few other Brooklynites like Biggie Smalls, Little Shawn, and the whole Bad Boy clique. Bags explained that shortly after the filming of Above the Rim was complete, Tupac, Jamaican Jackson and some others went to hang out at a nightclub where they found groupies to bring back to Pac's hotel. One of the females called the cops, claiming that Tupac and his friends raped her, and the judge sentenced him to a year and a half in prison. During the trial, the press questioned Pac outside the courthouse about his codefendants, Jackson and others. "I don't know them dudes, they're not my friends," Tupac said. Jackson and his friends didn't like that much.

While Pac was out on bail, he set up a recording session at Quad recording studios in Manhattan with rapper Little Shawn. Stretch went with Pac to Quad that night and noticed a man leaning against a street pole reading a newspaper right in front of the the studio door as they arrived. Stretch told Bags that when he and Pac walked inside, the man followed them into the lobby, gun drawn, along with two other gunmen. They went straight for Pac's jewelry. Pac had two glocks tucked into his pants and tried pulling them out but shot himself in the groin. The gunmen opened fire on Pac grazing him on the head and a few other spots before running off.

Stretch told Bags that he and Pac went up to the studio, when Biggie, Puff, and Little Shawn saw Pac bleeding they were all in shock. Bags then told me that they found out who shot Pac in the lobby that night. Bags and Stretch visited Pac on Rikers Island a lot and they told Pac who ordered the hit and who took it, so Pac knew exactly what was going on. He knew that Biggie and Puff had nothing to do with it. But when E Money Bags and Stretch explained what happened, Pac told them that he planned to use the situation to sell a lot of records. Bags explained who was behind it, but Pac said he just wanted to start controversy and that he planned to use Biggie and Puff and turn his gunshot wounds into a marketing and promotion scheme.



stretch's interview with vibe is posted at the bottom.



there's an interview with lil cease and jack thriller on youtube, cease says pac stashed a gun at quad, biggie went there the next day, got it and they gave it to pac in the hospital.:hmm: i'm a huuuuuuuge tupac fan, but looking back i don't believe my man was shot 5 times. so he got shot 5 times (including the nuts and head) he had the mind frame to stash his gun, flip a bird to the camera's and go to court the next day.:lol: but that's my nga:yes: he gets a pass from me.:hmm:



i know beatdown will love this one.:lol: from Vibe (Dec. 2005)


"I called him and said ..Yo, stop putting my name in this bull****!" Henchmen says..."He was getting me upset man, trying to sensationilize his bull****".

Henchmen always has denied any involvment in the Quad shooting, he also questions Shakur's account of the assault , suggesting that the rappers gunshot wounds may have been self-inflicted.

"Tupac went for his gun and shot himself, and it all makes sense to me because if you got shot five times, while laying down, you wouldn't do all that running around like he was doing in the studio." says Henchmen

"Later on i heard that the gun went off, and he got the shyt beat out of him and was gun butted"

A few weeks later, Henchmen confronted Tupac backstage at D'angelo and Groove Theory show at the L.A House of Blues..."The Whole Death Row clique was up in there, and i remember going to him..I had some Crip dudes with me...and I said , "Dude, you gotta stop telling people that shyt" Henchemen recalls.

"For real ni..a, I don't give a **** , it could go down right now!, why you blaming Puffy and Biggie? Them ni..as ain't got nothing to do with this...Nobody came to rob you, they came to discipline you, that's what happened!"

Henchman says, he put such fear into 2pac eyes even with Suge nearby. Then Suge asked "Pac everything all right?" and Pac said like all good. Henchman: "Pac knew better then to tell something was wrong because I was so angry."






Is there some setting that i can make so that the OP's post shows up correctly and not so big with some of it cut off.

I am viewing with Firefox ?


i'm using firefox also, sometimes when i have those kind of issues its usually because i have my browser over-zoomed. but who knows i posted several different links and pics with different text sizes... its probably one of the screen caps or scans posted that through everything off...i also increased the font for certain passages so it probably turned out a lil messy.:lol: i'm using a 46 inch tv for my monitor so i usually see everything.

the only thing about the slim the mobster link is its from hsk, that weirdo hit it on the money a few times, talking about things before the public knew...i give him that, he even got nationwide attention (on NBC's Dateline) for telling about tim dog's scams....but he's been way out there on a few occasions. i don't compare hsk to mediatakeout but they post enough rumors/gossip to not be considered credible...



but of course i have no problem believing jimmy was an informant....shyt i believe he was a plant...he got away with all that dirt because he was very valuable to his agents, but like haitian jack and many others he wore out his welcome. actually someone still looked out for Haitian jack, he's a free man, still living it up, he just can't come back to the states.

this explains why nas always seemed like something was weighing him down


"they don't know nothing, about this bullshit,
There's more shit, to wanting to be this King of New York shit

[Chorus 2x]

[Nas]
Rap became a version of Malcom and Martin
Rest In Peace Will, Queensbridge live on
There's some ghetto secrets I can't rhyme in this song
There's some missing pieces I had to leave out"



"mastermind" wasn't about jimmy henchman to my knowledge, Me personally, i always thought about jimmy when hearing that verse that's why i posted it with that pic, but i've never heard anyone say that song was about jack or henchman.

I think his mom being sick wore him down not any beef or street shyt.

1 thing i'll say about nas, through out all his beef, u could tell he had official cats behind him because he never seemed shook and other than by women i've never heard of nas getting chumped out, robbed or anything. even when roc was on top and murda inc was trying to grab nas, he didn't go. He had official cats around him when he moved to Atl, so i know he was good up north.





Henchmen makes niggaz like trick trick seem like drake.

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this fkd up teeth nga will be waiting on you when you come to the D!

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why did 2pac hang with these dangerous dudes? for industry connects? protection? this should be a movie......




is there a link between haitian jack and wacka flame or it was just a random industry pic?
I had no idea Bimmy former Supreme Team drug crew was Waka's uncle and waka's moms is his sister . he said that bobby/whitney paid his bail?


vivica fox chillin with haitian jack.


got shot.




WHY DO RAPPERS HANG AROUND THESE GUYS?


protection, respect, street fame, these guys fund a lot of projects, etc.... how was Big Meech able to come in and next thing you know he's on private jets with Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley? he's on private yachts with puff daddy, nelly and all these hot stars are at his bday party? Go on youtube, there's a video with big meech and bleu chilling with the mayor of Miami.

i don't have a definite answer about waka and jack but haitian jack is a promoter overseas...waka's artist Haitian Fresh is connected to jack and zoe pound. Don't forget waka's mom did an interview (it was posted on bgol) where she talks about gucci mane being shook in Atlanta (fearing retaliation for the killing) and begging her for protection. She brought him to NY for a few months, introduced him to jimmy henchman and the rest is history. so if waka's mom was connected with henchman, its sort of easy to connect him with jack.


y pac started hanging around them?

the story is pac's character on above the rim was partially based off haitian jack and the directors wanted pac to hang around him for his role in the movie...somewhere in this post i'll post tupac's 94 Vibe interview, his story was something like jack (nigel) told him he didn't need to get in any more trouble and he'd look out for him in NY....pac spoke on how these dudes upgraded him from baggy jeans and sneakers to more grown man gear, he got his first rollie and shyt hanging with these guys..i guess how pac says biggie got all that versace and cristal shyt from him, pac got from them......there's other stories like pac actually met biggie, henchman and most of bad boy while filming above the rim, then there's the story stretch introduced pac to everybody....i don't know.... anyways....naturally pac took a liking to jack, every where they went people loved and feared jack, he had money for days, women, police on payroll, he was highly respected in the streets and by people in the mainstream (madonna, mike tyson, stevie wonder, etc....).


you know i've heard these bogus stories about they robbed pac because he wouldn't sign with bad boy, etc.....but from everything i've read and heard....the story that adds up the most to me is ....shortly after pac caught the rape case and he saw his boys had separate trials and plead out..he started slamming them in the media, he told New York's Daily News that jimmy and jack (not mentioning their names) were "hanger ons" a week later he was robbed and shot.



Word was that the big beef with Pac and Bad Boy was that Jimmy and crew wanted to extort Pac and have him and Biggie join Bad Boy, at first Big and Pac said fuck that shit, and wanted to fight back with thug life.
Big eventually caved in, Pac refused, so thats where the beef started and what made Pac a marked man in NYC..

i still dont believe its because he wouldn't sign with bad boy, why didn't they shoot any other hot artist from that time who didn't sign with bad boy? pac was mad about the case and was talking to the media about the other defendants and probably doing even more talking on the streets....in the 94 vibe interview posted, pac says he was a little nervous about going to quad because he had MAJOR BEEF with booker's (jimmy's)friend....why did pac have major beef with henchman's friend (haitian jack) they were just always together.....i think its because of the things pac was saying in the media about the rape case and them dudes wanted to teach him a lesson. that's why i think...jimmy says he needed to be disciplined. jimmy says he was running his mouth and he didn't know what he was talking about:hmm:


don't underestimate suge's role in the bad boy beef.....before pac ever got out, suge gave pac a shotout at the source awards, dissed puffy, AND the big event where puff's homeboy J (not Wolf) killed suge's best friend in Atlanta. All this happened before pac was with death row, so i'm sure suge fueled pac's anger.



Feds don't THINK about anything, they know it, but just can't prove it fully in a court of law YET


:lol: i hate to agree because they target so many successful blacks but many times their right....but i'm sure successful whites are breaking the law also but i don't see them being targeted.



Dude was facing life in prison, he probably was singing like Stevie.

and I always knew Clef had ties to Haitian Jack

Slim The Mobster...didn't know he was that old. 50 squashed his career quick.



Frenchie's dad was in the Supreme Team also

I think that's the reason Waka's mom broke out of New York


Complex great to have you back bro! cats like henchman and jack are the reason so many rappers hire bloods, crips, gd's, etc...


I think they just trying to compound shit at this point so they don't have to accurately investigate Lightys death giving it the proper attention it deserves. It's easy to just dump it all on henchmen at this point.




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i want to agree but....."Investigators allege that Rosemond & Co. fired shots at the front door of Violator’s Manhattan office and pumped bullets into an unoccupied SUV that they believed was owned by Lighty (the vehicle was parked in front of Violator’s West 25th Street headquarters).

Additionally, Rosemond has been accused of targeting G-Unit rapper “Tony Yayo” (real name: Marvin Bernard). Prosecutors allege that shots were fired into Bernard’s white Bentley as well as the performer’s mother’s home in Queens.

Immediately following the March 2007 assault of his 14-year-old son, Rosemond participated in “an assault with a razor on Chris Lighty’s brother,” according to the October 18 prosecution motion. Rosemond also allegedly participated in a “conspiracy to shoot Chris Lighty in or about 2009.”

Prosecutors cited two separate attempts to shoot Lighty, once at a midtown Manhattan restaurant, and also on a street near his office. This “escalating pattern of violence committed by Rosemond and his associates against members of G-Unit” was capped by the September 2009 killing of Fletcher, who was nicknamed “Lodi Mack.”




if a rapper named mc bgol tries to shoot u on 2 or 3 different occasions, then roles up on your brother, shoots up your artist moms crib (with kids inside), shoot up a couple cars, etc...then u get killed, i don't think its stretching to make mc bgol a prime suspect. at the same time the article isn't directly linking henchman to lighty's death....i think its just pointing out that henchman was behind several rap shootings.:hmm:


That's why I said PAC was a hoe ass nigga and a fraud

Nigga knew exactly who shot him but he wouldn't dare call jimmy out

Instead he picked a fight with puff and big who ain't have hit to do with it


i'm posting the tupac vibe interview from 1994 at the bottom, he spoke on jack and henchman in that interview....he gave them the aliases nigel (jack) and booker (henchman). so he did speak on these dudes almost 2 years before against all odds.









Yo complex you just got out of jail? Shady was looking for you lol

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here are a few excerpts from Pac's 1994 Vibe interview right after the shooting.


keep in mind nigel is haitian jack and booker is jimmy henchman. i'm still a little confused by trevor...


lol re-reading this after several years i can see why ngz was mad.:lol: pac said they dropped like potatoes, ngz was crying and shyt. :lol: if u read this, you'll see why i think "who shot ya" is a diss track...."brave nga, turned front page nga" pac's passage sounds like he was the only brave one in the crew, then he was front page on all the hip hop mags at that time.


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This is my nga, but after being shot 5 times, he was able to do this?


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and the next morning go to court? :lol:




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ngz just don't give good theatrics, like tupac and paul pierce anymore.

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Can you take us back to that night at Quad Recording Studios in Times Square?

The night of the shooting? Sure. Ron G. is a DJ out here in New York. He's, like, "Pac, I want you to come to my house and lay this rap down for my tapes." I said, "All right, I'll come for free." So I went to his house-me, Stretch, and a couple other homeboys. After I laid the song, I got a page from this guy Booker, telling me he wanted me to rap on Little Shawn's record. Now, this guy I was going to charge, because I could see that they was just using me, so I said, "All right, you give me seven G's and I'll do the song." He said, "I've got the money. Come." I stopped off to get some weed, and he paged me again. "Where you at? Why you ain't coming?" I'm, like, "I'm coming, man, hold on."

Did you know this guy?

I met him through some rough characters I knew. He was trying to get legitimate and all that, so I thought I was doing him a favor. But when I called him back for directions, he was, like, "I don't have the money." I said, "If you don't have the money, I'm not coming." He hung up the phone, then called me back: "I'm going to call [Uptown Entertainment CEO] Andre Harrell and make sure you get the money, but I'm going to give you the money out of my pocket." So I said, "All right, I'm on my way." As we're walking up to the building, somebody screamed from up the top of the studio. It was Little Caesar, Biggie's [the Notorious B.I.G.] sideman. That's my homeboy. As soon as I saw him, all my concerns about the situation were relaxed.

So you're saying that going into it...

I felt nervous because this guy knew somebody I had major beef with. I didn't want to tell the police, but I can tell the world. Nigel had introduced me to Booker. Everybody knew I was short on money. All my shows were getting canceled. All my money from my records was going to lawyers; all the movie money was going to my family. So I was doing this type of stuff, rapping for guys and getting paid.

Who's this guy Nigel?

I was kicking it with him the whole time I was in New York doing Above the Rim. He came to me. He said, "I'm going to look after you. You don't need to get in no more trouble."

Doesn't Nigel also go by the name of Trevor?

Right. There's a real Trevor, but Nigel took on both aliases, you understand? So that's who I was kicking with-I got close to them. I used to dress in baggies and sneakers. They took me shopping; that's when I bought my Rolex and all my jewels. They made me mature. They introduced me to all these gangsters in Brooklyn. I met Nigel's family, went to his kid's birthday party-I trusted him, you know what I'm saying? I even tried to get Nigel in the movie, but he didn't want to be on film. That bothered me. I don't know any nigga that didn't want to be in the movies.

Can we come back to the shooting? Who was with you that night?

I was with my homeboy Stretch, his man Fred, and my sister's boyfriend, Zayd. Not my bodyguard; I don't have a bodyguard. We get to the studio, and there's a dude outside in army fatigues with his hat low on his face. When we walked to the door, he didn't look up. I've never seen a black man not acknowledge me one way or the other, either with jealousy or respect. But this guy just looked to see who I was and turned his face down. It didn't click because I had just finished smoking chronic. I'm not thinking something will happen to me in the lobby. While we're waiting to get buzzed in, I saw a dude sitting at a table reading a newspaper. He didn't look up either.

These are both black men?

Black men in their thirties. So first I'm, like, These dudes must be security for Biggie, because I could tell they were from Brooklyn from their army fatigues. But then I said, Wait a minute. Even Biggie's homeboys love me, why don't they look up? I pressed the elevator button, turned around, and that's when the dudes came out with the guns-two identical 9 mms. "Don't nobody move. Everybody on the floor. You know what time it is. Run your shit." I was, like, What should I do? I'm thinking Stretch is going to fight; he was towering over those niggas. From what I know about the criminal element, if niggas come to rob you, they always hit the big nigga first. But they didn't touch Stretch; they came straight to me. Everybody dropped to the floor like potatoes, but I just froze up. It wasn't like I was being brave or nothing; I just could not get on the floor. They started grabbing at me to see if I was strapped. They said, "Take off your jewels," and I wouldn't take them off. The light-skinned dude, the one that was standing outside, was on me. Stretch was on the floor, and the dude with the newspaper was holding the gun on him. He was telling the light-skin dude, "Shoot that motherfucker! Fuck it!" Then I got scared, because the dude had the gun to my stomach. All I could think about was piss bags and shit bags. I drew my arm around him to move the gun to my side. He shot and the gun twisted and that's when I got hit the first time. I felt it in my leg; I didn't know I got shot in my balls. I dropped to the floor. Everything in my mind said, Pac, pretend you're dead. It didn't matter. They started kicking me, hitting me. I never said, "Don't shoot!" I was quiet as hell. They were snatching my shit off me while I was laying on the floor. I had my eyes closed, but I was shaking, because the situation had me shaking. And then I felt something on the back of my head, something real strong. I thought they stomped me or pistol-whipped me and they were stomping my head against the concrete. I saw white, just white. I didn't hear nothing, I didn't feel nothing, and I said, I'm unconscious. But I was conscious. And then I felt it again, and I could hear things now and I could see things and they were bringing me back to consciousness. Then they did it again, and I couldn't hear nothing. And I couldn't see nothing; it was just all white. And then they hit me again, and I could hear things and I could see things and I knew I was conscious again.

Did you ever hear them say their names?


No. No. But they knew me, or else they would never check for my gun. It was like they were mad at me. I felt them kicking me and stomping me; they didn't hit nobody else. It was, like, "Ooh, motherfucker, ooh, aah"-they were kicking hard. So I'm going unconscious, and I'm not feeling no blood on my head or nothing. The only thing I felt was my stomach hurting real bad. My sister's boyfriend turned me over and said, "Yo, are you all right?" I was, like, "Yes, I'm hit, I'm hit." And Fred is saying he's hit, but that was the bullet that went through my leg. So I stood up and I went to the door and-the shit that fucked me up-as soon as I got to the door, I saw a police car sitting there. I was, like, "Uh-oh, the police are coming, and I didn't even go upstairs yet." So we jumped in the elevator and went upstairs. I'm limping and everything, but I don't feel nothing. It's numb. When we got upstairs, I looked around, and it scared the shit out of me.

Why?

Because Andre Harrell was there, Puffy [Bad Boy Entertainment CEO Sean "Puffy" Combs] was there, Biggie... there was about 40 niggas there. All of them had jewels on. More jewels than me. I saw Booker, and he had this look on his face like he was surprised to see me. Why? I had just beeped the buzzer and said I was coming upstairs. Little Shawn bust out crying. I went, Why is Little Shawn crying, and I got shot? He was crying uncontrollably, like, "Oh my God, Pac, you've got to sit down!" I was feeling weird, like, Why do they want to make me sit down?

Because five bullets had passed through your body.

I didn't know I was shot in the head yet. I didn't feel nothing. I opened my pants, and I could see the gunpowder and the hole in my Karl Kani drawers. I didn't want to pull them down to see if my dick was still there. I just saw a hole and went, "Oh shit. Roll me some weed." I called my girlfriend and I was, like, "Yo, I just got shot. Call my mother and tell her." Nobody approached me. I noticed that nobody would look at me. Andre Harrell wouldn't look at me. I had been going to dinner with him the last few days. He had invited me to the set of New York Undercover, telling me he was going to get me a job. Puffy was standing back too. I knew Puffy. He knew how much stuff I had done for Biggie before he came out.

People did see blood on you?


They started telling me, "Your head! Your head is bleeding." But I thought it was just a pistol-whip. Then the ambulance came, and the police. First cop I looked up to see was the cop that took the stand against me in the rape charge. He had a half smile on his face, and he could see them looking at my balls. He said, "What's up, Tupac? How's it hanging?"

When I got to Bellevue Hospital, the doctor was going, "Oh my God!" I was, like, "What? What?" And I was hearing him tell other doctors, "Look at this. This is gunpowder right here." He was talking about my head: "This is the entry wound. This is the exit wound." And when he did that, I could actually feel the holes. I said, "Oh my God. I could feel that." It was the spots that I was blacking out on. And that's when I said, "Oh shit. They shot me in my head." They said, "You don't know how lucky you are. You got shot five times." It was, like, weird. I did not want to believe it. I could only remember that first shot, then everything went blank.

At any point did you think you were going to die?


No. I swear to God. Not to sound creepy or nothing-I felt God cared for me from the first time the niggas pulled the gun out. The only thing that hurt me was that Stretch and them all fell to the floor. The bullets didn't hurt. Nothing hurt until I was recovering. I couldn't walk, I couldn't get up, and my hand was fucked up. I was looking on the news and it was lying about me.

Tell me about some of the coverage that bothered you.


The No. 1 thing that bothered me was that dude that wrote that shit that said I pretended to do it. That I had set it up, it was an act. When I read that, I just started crying like a baby, like a bitch. I could not believe it. It just tore me apart. And then the news was trying to say I had a gun and I had weed on me. Instead of saying I was a victim, they were making it like I did it.

What about all the jokes saying you had lost one of your testicles?

That didn't really bother me, because I was, like, Shit, I'm going to get the last laugh. Because I've got bigger nuts than all these niggas. My doctors are, like, "You can have babies." They told me that the first night, after I got exploratory surgery: "Nothing's wrong. It went through the skin and out the skin." Same thing with my head. Through my skin and out the skin.

Have you had a lot of pain since then?


Yes, I have headaches. I wake up screaming. I've been having nightmares, thinking they're still shooting me. All I see is niggas pulling guns, and I hear the dude saying, "Shoot that motherfucker!" Then I'll wake up sweaty as hell and I'll be, like, Damn, I have a headache. The psychiatrist at Bellevue said that's post-traumatic stress.

Why did you leave Bellevue Hospital?

I left Bellevue the next night. They were helping me, but I felt like a science project. They kept coming in, looking at my dick and shit, and this was not a cool position to be in. I knew my life was in danger. The Fruit of Islam was there, but they didn't have guns. I knew what type of niggas I was dealing with.

So I left Bellevue and went to Metropolitan. They gave me a phone and said, "You're safe here. Nobody knows you're here." But the phone would ring and someone would say, "You ain't dead yet?" I was, like, Damn! Those motherfuckers don't have no mercy. So I checked myself out, and my family took me to a safe spot, somebody who really cared about me in New York City.

Why did you go to court the morning after you were shot?

They came to the bed and said, "Pac, you don't need to go to court." I was, like, no. I felt like if the jury didn't see me, they would think I'm doing a show or some shit. Because they were sequestered and didn't know I got shot. So I knew I had to show up no matter what. I swear to God, the farthest thing from my mind was sympathy. All I could think of was, Stand up and fight for your life like you fight for your life in this hospital.

I sat there in a wheelchair, and the judge was not looking me in my eyes. He never looked me in my eyes the whole trial. So the jury came in, and the way everybody was acting, it was like a regular everyday thing. And I was feeling so miracle-ish that I'm living. And then I start feeling they're going to do what they're going to do. Then I felt numb; I said, I've got to get out of here.

When I left, the cameras were all rushing me and bumping into my leg and shit. I was, like, "You motherfuckers are like vultures." That made me see just the nastiest in the hearts of men. That's why I was looking like that in the chair when they were wheeling me away. I was trying to promise myself to keep my head up for all my people there. But when I saw all that, it made me put my head down; it just took my spirit.

Can we talk about the rape case at all?

Okay. Nigel and Trevor took me to Nell's. When we got there, I was immediately impressed, because it was different than any club I'd been in. It wasn't crowded, there was lots of space, there were beautiful women there. I was meeting Ronnie Lott from the New York Jets and Derrick Coleman from the Nets. They were coming up to me, like, "Pac, we're proud of you." I felt so tall that night, because they were people's heroes and they saying I was their hero. I felt above and beyond, like I was glowing.

Somebody introduced me to this girl. And the only thing I noticed about her: She had a big chest. But she was not attractive; she looked dumpy, like. Money came to me and said, "This girl wants to do more than meet you." I already knew what that meant: She wanted to fuck. I just left them and went to the dance floor by myself. They were playing some Jamaican music, and I'm just grooving.

Then this girl came out and started dancing-and the shit that was weird, she didn't even come to me face-first, she came ass-first. So I'm dancing to this reggae music; you know how sensuous that is. She's touching my dick, she's touching my balls, she opened my zipper, she put her hands on me. There's a little dark part in Nell's, and I see people over there making out already, so she starts pushing me this way. I know what time it is.

We go over in the corner. She's touching me. I lift up my shirt while I'm dancing, showing off my tattoos and everything. She starts kissing my stomach, kissing my chest, licking me and shit. She's going down, and I'm, like, Oh shit. She pulled my dick out; she started sucking my dick on the dance floor. That shit turned me on. I wasn't thinking, like, This is going to be a rape case. I'm thinking, like, This is going to be a good night. You know what I'm saying?

Soon as she finished that-just enough to get me solid, rock-hard-we got off the dance floor. I told Nigel, "I've got to get out of here. I'm about to take her to the hotel. I'll see you all later." Nigel was, like, "No, no, no. I'm going to take you back." We drive to the hotel. We go upstairs and have sex, real quick. As soon as I came, that was it. I was tired, I was drunk, I knew I had to get up early in the morning, so I was, like, "What are you going to do? You can spend the night or you can leave." She left me her number, and everything was cool. Nigel was spending the night in my room all these nights. When he found out she sucked my dick on the floor and we had sex, he and Trevor were livid! Trevor is a big freak; he was going crazy. All he kept asking me was, "D-d-did you fuck in the ass?" He was listening to every single detail. I thought, This is just some guy shit, it's all good.


What happened on the night of the alleged rape?

We had a show to do in New Jersey at Club 88. This dude said, "I'll be there with a limo to pick you up at midnight." We went shopping, we got dressed up, we were all ready. Nigel was saying, "Why don't you give her a call?" So we were all sitting in the hotel, drinking. I'm waiting for the show, and Nigel's, like, "I called her. I mean, she called me, and she's on her way." But I wasn't thinking about her no second time. We were watching TV when the phone rings, and she's downstairs. Nigel gave Man-man, my manager, some money to pay for the cab, and I was, like, "Let that bitch pay for her own cab." She came upstairs looking all nice, dressed all provocative and shit, like she was ready for a prom date.

So we're all sitting there talking, and she's making me uncomfortable, because instead of sitting with Nigel and them, she's sitting on the arm of my chair. And Nigel and Trevor are looking at her like a chicken, like she's, like, food. It's a real uncomfortable situation. So I'm thinking, Okay, I'm going to take her to the room and get a massage. I'm thinking about being with her that night at Nell's. So we get in the room, I'm laying on my stomach, she's massaging my back. I turn around. She starts massaging my front. This lasted for about a half an hour. In between, we would stop and kiss each other. I'm thinking she's about to give me another blow job. But before she could do that, some niggas came in, and I froze up more than she froze up. If she would have said anything, I would have said, "Hold on, let me finish." But I can't say nothing, because she's not saying nothing. How do I look saying, "Hold on"? That would be like I'm making her my girl.

So they came and they started touching her ass. They going, "Oooh, she's got a nice ass." Nigel isn't touching her, but I can hear his voice leading it, like, "Put her panties down, put her pantyhose down." I just got up and walked out the room.

When I went to the other suite, Man-man told me that Talibah, my publicist at the time, had been there for a while and was waiting in the bedroom of that suite. I went to see Talibah and we talked about what she had been doing during the day, then I went and laid down on the couch and went to sleep. When I woke up, Nigel was standing over me going, "Pac, Pac," and all the lights was on in both rooms. The whole mood had changed, you know what I'm saying? I felt like I was drugged. I didn't know how much time had passed. So when I woke up, it was, like, "You're going to the police, you're going to the police." Nigel walks out the room, comes back with the girl. Her clothes is on; ain't nothing tore. She just upset, crying hysterically. "Why you let them do this to me?" She's not making sense. "I came to see you. You let them do this to me." I'm, like, "I don't got time for this shit right here. You got to chill out with that shit. Stop yelling at me and looking at me all crazy." She said, "This not the last time you're going to hear from me," and slammed the door. And Nigel goes, "Don't worry about it, Pac, don't worry. I'll handle it. She just tripping." I asked him what happened, and he was, like, "Too many niggas." You know, I ain't even tripping no more, you know? Niggas start going downstairs, but nobody was coming back upstairs. I'm sitting upstairs smoking weed, like, Where the fuck is everybody at? Then I get a call from Talibah from the lobby saying, "The police is down here."

And that's what landed you in jail. But you're saying that you never did anything?


Never did nothing. Only thing I saw was all three of them in there and that nigga talking about how fat her ass was. I got up, because the nigga sounded sick. I don't know if she's with these niggas, or if she's mad at me for not protecting her. But I know I feel ashamed-because I wanted to be accepted and because I didn't want no harm done to me-I didn't say nothing.





this is from Stretch's vibe interview.


Vibe Magazine 1995 Stretch Interview

Me and Pac have been down from day one. Before he did Juice, before his first album. That's my man. So the interview he did in VIBE bugged me out. But I know him. He likes to talk a lot. Especially when he's upset, he'll say shit that he won't even mean. And then he'll think about it later and be, like, "Damn, why the **** did I say that?"

We was kinda skeptical when we was going to the studio. We was, like, Shit don't seem right, something gonna happen. But when the four of us got to the studio and seen Little Caesar and them up in the window, it kinda threw us off. So we get around the corner and we see this nigga standing in front of the studio with an army fatigue jacket on. He sees us, looks at his watch, then looks down. There's somebody sitting inside by the elevators lookin' at his newspaper. We not really paying them no mind. So they buzz us in, and the kid that was standing in front of the building comes in behind us.

We wasn't rushing to the elevator. They had the iron out immediately. They had the drop on us real quick, and they was, like, "Y'all niggas lay down." We just looked at each other like we was not laying down for shit. 'Cause when niggas tell you to lay down, you automatically think you ain't gonna get up no more.

So Pac turns around like he about to go for his joint, 'cause Pac was strapped. Then a shot went off, and it was, like, Oh shit. Niggas is not playing. After the shot, boom, Pac hit the floor. Me personally, I only heard one shot. I didn't hear four, five, six shots. And he was saying that he got shot three, four times. None of us remember hearing four, five shots. When the shot went off, that's when we went down.

Pac's saying all this shit in the interview, like, "I thought that Stretch was gonna fight. He was towering over them." Now, that nigga know I ain't never going out like no *****. But I ain't dumb. I ain't got no gun, what the **** am I supposed to do? I might be towering over niggas, but I ain't towerin' over no slugs.

Tupac got shot trying to go for his shit. He tried to go for his gun, and he made a mistake on his own. But I'll let him tell the world that. I ain't even going to get into it all like that. Pac's talking about niggas "dropping like a sack of potatoes." How the **** is he going to know if niggas dropped like a sack of potatoes if he was turned around to get his joint? He tried to turn around and pull the joint out real quick, but niggas caught him. Grabbed his hand when it was by his waist.

When Pac was on the floor, his head was bleeding and his eyes was closed. Your man gets dropped and he falls right next to you that shit bug you the **** out. The other nigga kept the joint on me and Zane, and the kid with the army fatigue jacket started takin' off Pac's jewels and shit. He was calling Pac a *****-ass nigga, kickin' him and shit.

After they finished robbing, they stepped out, walking backward and pointing the guns at us. I was looking at Pac, and all of a sudden his eyes opened and he said, "Yo, I'm hit." And Fred's saying he's hit too. So, boom, we go outside and Pac starts screaming for the police. We see a cop outside, rolling up real slow, but Zane got the other gun that Pac had, and we out on Times Square. So we ran back inside and got on the elevator and went upstairs. My man Fred stayed down there in front of the building, 'cause he was hit.

In that interview, Pac was talking all that shit about Thug Life is ignorance and telling niggas' names and all that shit. I don't even understand why he went there. I've seen Pac mad times after the shooting and he never kicked none of that shit to me. You know how he feels about the media, so why would he go and do an interview like that? He's supposed to be a street nigga; he should've kept it in the street. I mean, niggas had to go and get their names changed. I want him to get a reality check. Recognize what the **** he's doing. Niggas on the street live by rules, man. And that rule right there, that's a rule that's never to be broken.
 
Re: Feds think Jimmy Henchman Was Behind Chris Lighty shootings+Haitian Jack & King T

Here is what people fail to realize most of these rappers, actors, and ball players dudes want to fit in too bad and most of them have to pay for the privilege. Extortion is nothing new it's just masked in a very clever way.

It's real street dudes and gangsters out here that prey on these dudes insecurities. Having money and fame isn't enough when you want infamy. You want to be accepted by the dudes who never accepted you so you pay them "security" fees or "management" fees. Once you let a wolf in your house and he sees how weak of a sheep you are he's NEVER going to let go!!!

Tupac had no business running in the circles he was in. He wasn't a killer or a tough guy he was a smart young man with daddy issues that sought out love and attention from men that he wanted to be like. He was very confused and his poor choices led to his demise. He should of spent his time perfecting his craft instead of trying to build his reputation. I love Pac but Pac's bad choices killed Pac.



that's true but if u get a hit record today, them leeches are coming, did cash money join the bloods to look cool? did they join the blood gang because they wanted to garnish a chunk of their earnings to a street crew?


once u make it, the wolves are coming!


remember when the actual FBI released files showing that the JDL (Jewish Defense League) were trying to extort Tupac and eazy e?


http://vault.fbi.gov/Tupac Shakur /Tupac Shakur Part 1 of 1/view


http://theboombox.com/tupac-eazy-e-victims-of-jewish-defense-league-extortion-plot/



Street Fam >>> supreme team


BMF>>>>>>>>>>street fam wait the street fam is a sub of BMF that's why their all black, that's why fab and jeezy and bleu always hooked up back then.











peace





When fam from out that way who was familiar with them circles back then let me know right after it happened & that Pac knew exactly who shot him over this, that & all that consignment jewelry wearing shit he was involved in, it always rubbed me the wrong way but it was what it was.

It put a whole different perspective on that Vibe interview that Quincy had him do fresh out of jail, fiening for smoke & freedom, where he was off @ the lip, self promoting for his paper like MuhammadAli, in dealings with JoeFrazier & shit.

Who knows.

Maybe he felt a void when whomever popped Stretch, not being able to get LiveSquad to where it should have been, he probably got sucked into fucking with some kats who saw him coming even.
Everybody else in & around from BK knew better but his nose was open, trying to soak up that NY live 'street' experience @ that time.

Its a damn shame since he should have had his coat pulled earlier running with MutulaShakur, Majesty, Stretch & them plus ShockG who was from Qns originally way b4.
The whole shit was a hot fucking mess.

Another interview on KaySlay's show (which was touched upon in that documentary) where the fam from GrandImperial records were airing their grievances out against a lot of these rappers they knew personally that were fronting like Nas, DJ Clue, Busta & a few more), they mentioned that the Original Thuggadons was supposed to be Big, Pac, Treach & someone else.

:lol::smh:
Reminds me of when during that same time (late 90s) Irief/MastaKiller snuffed that RapPages writer since the caricature allegedly looked like it was making fun of the Wu.

Clef must have taken that HaitianMob muscle negotiations experience to heart as he also had the burner & the rum out, meeting that other exec in his office over something he wasn't please with sometime after that. That was the story.

Either it was some Fugees biz or something that had to do with his new solo album, I can't recall off the top unless it was the same situation stated above & he later presented it as it was just him.


good shyt Bborn, peace


Diddy is just as dirty, cats clown him but notice he can't be touched but he can blacklist any artist he chooses to and they don't say shit. The lox got raped by Diddy and claim to be goons but never go hard dissing him. loon who was a real goon crazy nigga apologizes to Diddy when he fucks up, black rob, stick up man, crying and apologizing to Diddy. Puff is a grimy ass god father like nigga who is mad connected thanks to his pops.

Feds trying hard to get puff and throw all sorts of garbage trying to get it to stick. They can't get him.


i agree with all that except the feds trying to get him. sure some agents tried to get jimmy to talk but i think if the feds really wanted puff they could've been got him.


nobody has ever really answered why has puff been connected to all these street dudes.


was puff being a good Samaritan giving henchman, king tut and haitian jack jobs? Couldn't the feds have nabbed puff for something in all the bmf stuff, his cousin daryl rolled over, his bodyguard and former best friend was killed a few days before he was suppose to be a witness against puff in shyne's civil case.:D why was puff on private yachts with big meech, i'm sure puff new who this guy was, after wolf beat puff's ass, puff didn't come to atl for 3 months, when he came back he always had bmf cats with him, if the feds wanted puff, i'm sure they could've pieced together why puff was dealing with California Crips. these dudes said puff paid them for protection, paid them to harm people, etc....keffe d says puff used his 64 Impala for usher's first video. there's too many to name, i've named them before....puff has been rolling with gangsters since Uptown Records. if the feds wanted to get him, i would have to think they would've been nabbed him....in mark curry's book he pointed out how puff lied under oath in the gun trial, he put his story on his kids life.:smh: he might regret that shyt one day.:smh: they really could've got puff on so much for that club shooting, i just don't think they really want him, he's probably helping them in some way.


i never hear this guys name mentioned on bgol and other hip hop sites.


http://chuckphilipspost.com/investigative-reports/rip-zip/

another gay gangster. but a very powerful dude.


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No disrespect to Chris Lighty, but everybody who’s anybody in rap knew Zip: Big, Pac, Puff, Jimmy Henchman, Bumpy, Barry Hankerson, Frank, Janice, Melvin, Jekyll, Wolf, Buck and Big L. Global Music Corporations too.

In Death, as in Life, Zip made his exit in style, an impeccable suit, an ornate casket, a horse-drawn carriage, leading a star-studded procession up and down the streets of Harlem to Benta’s Funeral Home.

With Lil Kim and Cameron among the celebrities gathered for the wake, many wondered whether Zip’s favorite “Nephew” would show: that Bad Boy CEO of many names: Sean John Combs, Puff, Puff Daddy, P-Diddy, Diddy, Iamdiddy, Swag, Chairman Of The Board, and (who has recently started referring to himself as) Ciroc Obama.
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Eric Von Zip, Mike Dean and Jeff Tweedy celebrating Zip’s birthday at Zip Code Harlem

Back in the day, Puff and Zip were tight, logging long days at Bad Boy and longer nights at Daddy’s House. Although Diddy had not seen Zip in ages, he blew in to pay tribute to his “Uncle” – and said a few words in honor of the magnanimous OG who literally saved his life.

Not only was Zip the godfather of Biggie’s son, he was a Harlem music aficionado who owned a nightclub on Adam Clayton Powell Jr. Blvd.: Zip Code. While his contributions to Bad Boy are unclear, he co-executive produced records with Puff’s close friend, Czar Entertainment chief Jimmy Henchman and Blackground boss Barry Hankerson, including the soundtrack for “Exit Wounds,” a film that starred Steven Seagal and DMX.

Following in the footsteps of his mentor, Ellsworth “Bumpy” Johnson, Zip semi-ruled Harlem’s underworld on and off for decades. He knew every OG on the East Coast and practically every new kid on the block across the nation. Zip drove a bulletproof Mercedes, operated offices on both coasts, and moved effortlessly in and out of both entertainment and underworld circles.

In fact, it was Zip who introduced Puff to the Southside Crips, a formidable street gang based in Compton, CA, with whom Zip had operated a profitable pharmaceutical business for nearly a decade. A fortuitous introduction indeed.

The Crips came to the rescue when bad blood broke out between Bad Boy Entertainment and Death Row Records, where Suge Knight employed Compton Blood gang members as bodyguards. (Crips and Bloods have long been mortal enemies and warring factions.)

The Crips say Zip worked out a deal with Puff for the gang to guard Bad Boy whenever they traveled West. The shot-caller of the gang has intimated that the arrangement commenced in Anaheim following a 1995 Jodeci concert.
Bad Boy partied with the Crips in Vegas, the gang says, after Mike Tyson’s 1995 prizefight with Peter McNeeley. Members of the gang attended West Coast recording sessions and, according to the Crips, Zip brought Big into Compton that year to check out South Park.

An argument erupted in March 1996 backstage at the Soul Train Awards. Crip gang members drew guns to defend Big and Bad Boy against Pac and his Death Row Blood bodyguards. A fierce standoff ensued, but no shots were fired.



.....Zip was there at the MGM, when Pac got lit up. With Keyshawn Johnson on Fairfax Avenue, before Big wound up in the morgue.


.....Diddy History deletes any reference to his former best friend, murdered felon Anthony “Wolf” Jones, and incarcerated elementary school buddies and business partners Corey “Buck” Jacobs and Kenneth “Big L” Kemp, as well as Black Mafia Family drug lord Demetrius “Big Meech” Flenory.

In Diddy History, many ex-friends, like many ex-Bad Boy artists, simply do not exist.

much more about zip in the chuck phillips link.

Like when Black Rob got out he was talking shit, then he talked to Puff, and took back what he said...then he went around praising Puff...just for him to go back and not returning his phone calls

mase tried talking then backed off also....i think ngz on bgol think i'm just talking when mentioning all of puff's artist who turned to all these different religions.....but man i think them dudes saw more than someone get killed, i think they saw some real dark shyt.







Excellent post Roy-Yaaaaal .. Keep doing your thing.

This story will never get told in the fashion it needs to be. Hollywood likes smart "WHITE" antagonist only. Im pushing a few stories. 41510

Less words is more ...

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Ben Affleck is pre production to do The Departed part deux ( For those who will miss that not officially)- The Whitey Bulger story again. He will get a budget too ! General audiences love white crime stories.

The general buying audience & black squares alike are more comfortable believing in " black petty criminality " to make themselves feel more comfortable in those misguided beliefs.

PS - Any time you deal with dope, you in a snitches paradise. Football numbers.


Good shyt Teknique, keep us posted on your works and cant wait for the whitey bulger joint.


Notice those same same killas don't try that bullshit with real rap dudes who was about that life

Ie: 50, Mc Hammer, Etc



well in his prime MTV reported 50 spending over 100k a month on a security staff that included ex-CIA and ex navy seals, every hotel had to have bullet proof windows or none in the bed room, etc....when you have that kind of security its gonna be hard to get shook down.....but before 50 signed with shady aftermath i think murda inc and supreme shook him a few times, they did show the restraining order he put out.....but i don't blame 50, he was a real dude, he was just going against bigger ngz at that time....far as my man Hammer, he literally had the whole city of Oakland with him:lol: that's the same as cash money hiring bloods, rick rawse hiring zoe pound and gd's....sure hammer was doing a good deed hiring his neighborhood but don't get it twisted, his brothers knew what time it was and they hired some extra muscle.


You can't be in the music business and not deal with gangsters of some sort.Like Trick-Trick said everytime he touches down in a city,no matter what he reaches out to some people to let them know he's there so that he would be good in that city,He's not talking about other rappers either.

Jimmy and the rest of them were the dudes you would contact when visiting their stomping grounds.

That's just the way it is,I would rather do that than having every dude in the middle of know where looking to make a name testing me or my crew.

:yes:



the real trouble comes when your shooting in movie in LA or NY and your gonna be there for a few weeks.:lol: u might can avoid those goons if your just there 1 or 2 days for a show but if your on extended stay its hard to get around those dudes. they have their hands in the clubs and hot spots, they'll come on your movie set.


only a few ngz can do it wayne newton style. i saw a doc, where wayne says a gangster was trying to extort him in Vegas and threatened to kidnap his daughter, wayne made 1 phone call to the mob boss he was doing shows for and he never heard from the ganster that was trying to extort him again.


Cats don't understand this...they still think Ross' beef was about saying a dude name on the song.


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Yo this Brother was crazy they don't tell you the Church was his moms, and that guys looking for him at his place in Cypress hills ended up shooting his mothers leg going after him. Almost had a run in with him Mistaken id on the A Train, then years later finding out he's family of family. my moms things were stolen in CH he got it back that night, Brooklyn is too small of a world for me had to leave.

:lol:




yeah that nga was sick for real.




anyone have any info on the haitian jack jay z thing? i never heard much except fat joe and jim jones briefing on it.
 
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here's a little more of zip, the harlem g that hooked puffy up with the cali crips and a lot more people. this is even the guy who chuck phillips believes had all the info to the tupac murder, he's possibly the man that set it all up.


Zipcodes!


who let shaddy's peeps in at 7:45, those the ngz i be trying to get away from when i go to a spot with a dress code.


 
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I'm reading the different posts in this thread on some :smh: shit, because of how grimey motherfuckers are...


...I then get to a long post, and find myself struggling to comprehend what they're trying to say. I keep reading and reading, and I'm seeing a lot of words, but none of it is making sense...


...I then scroll up to see who this is talking way over my head, only to realize it's bborn.

:lol:
 
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peace

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I never hear this guys name mentioned on bgol and other hip hop sites.


http://chuckphilipspost.com/investigative-reports/rip-zip/

another gay gangster. but a very powerful dude.


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much more about zip in the chuck phillips link.............
Here but more than once, maybe 3xs he was mentioned

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=691944&highlight=von+zip



DropItHeavy, Fam

Salute

See that Stretch, E$bags, Pac Dedication/GrandImperial Doc I posted above with Majesty confirming & saying the things himself that you mentioned including what I always thought - that Pac shot them kats not knowing they were cops but that may have been a set up also, who knows.

To me, one of the best testimonies that spoke about who this young man was @ the time from kats who recorded, rolled & actually knew him which always surpassed the myths that have grown through his legend.
 
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here's a little more of zip, the harlem g that hooked puffy up with the cali crips and a lot more people. this is even the guy who chuck phillips believes had all the info to the tupac murder, he's possibly the man that set it all up.


Zipcodes!


who let shaddy's peeps in at 7:45, those the ngz i be trying to get away from when i go to a spot with a dress code.



Alot of cats were saying they believed Zip to be a snitch. He hustled for decades had a new car at least every year and never did a bid while others around him did. And its not like he was low key. He had alot of cars, Opened the club Zip Code and it was a hustler haven. I went a few times and never again, it wasn't my scene.

But he was a big name in the streets, no doubt about it. I drove past his funeral last year and U could tell it was somebody because the streets were flooded, horse and carriage. It was a real spectacle.

Also heard he died of AIDS but they said something else. Haven't heard about him being gay though, I don't know much about him. One of my OG dudes was rolling with him tough. He's all legit now though.
 
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i still dont believe its because he wouldn't sign with bad boy, why didn't they shoot any other hot artist from that time who didn't sign with bad boy? pac was mad about the case and was talking to the media about the other defendants and probably doing even more talking on the streets....in the 94 vibe interview posted, pac says he was a little nervous about going to quad because he had MAJOR BEEF with booker's (jimmy's)friend....why did pac have major beef with henchman's friend (haitian jack) they were just always together.....i think its because of the things pac was saying in the media about the rape case and them dudes wanted to teach him a lesson. that's why i think...jimmy says he needed to be disciplined. jimmy says he was running his mouth and he didn't know what he was talking about

A lot of these Hatian kat were working for the goverment and nothing more than an informant! The reason why they went after Pac, is because 1 the white man wanted him dead, and 2 he was trying for form his own label by the people of the street and for the people of the streets... And Bad boy has always been about that order bullshit, black man runs the lower level and deals with the lower level bullshit, while he has to answer to the higher level white man.. This order is what people mix up with the Illuminati..
As far as Pac being a dog trying to fuck with wolves, the true wolves are the white man, and big street dogs like Jimmy thought they would be accepted as one of them, after doing their bidding... And he was the one that got ate once the wolves got tired of his ass!
 
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don't underestimate suge's role in the bad boy beef.....before pac ever got out, suge gave pac a shotout at the source awards, dissed puffy, AND the big event where puff's homeboy J (not Wolf) killed suge's best friend in Atlanta. All this happened before pac was with death row, so i'm sure suge fueled pac's anger
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In my heart I believe Suge is an informant that worked with the feds also.. They said he had crooked cops on his payroll, please, more like he was on the cops payroll!!! Look at dude and do the math, and ask yourself how the fuck he became boss of the Piru (or so called boss).. Dude wasn't even about that life, he was more into sports and shit..
Well anyways the white man did, what they always do, they play good cop bad cop on Pac, Suge the savior and Jimmy/Badboy the bad cop... But in the end they were both designed to keep Pac from becoming the leader he was destined to becoming..
 
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yayo lucky to be breathing.

i see y 50 backed away from g-unit and locked himself in that bigass house for a while.
 
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Excellent insight. Tupac was an emotionally charged young man who sought the company of cold, calculating wolves. They saw him coming a mile a way. These types recognize their own and realized he was not one of them. While association brings on simulation it does necessarily mean authentication. Growing up he was allowed to be around them but he was not one of them. Real wolves will adopt a stray dog and allow him to play with the pack but when time comes and play is done the will kill said dog and eat him. Suge saw this in him as well.

:cool:
 
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Well anyways the white man did, what they always do, they play good cop bad cop on Pac, Suge the savior and Jimmy/Badboy the bad cop... But in the end they were both designed to keep Pac from becoming the leader he was destined to becoming..

Real shit right here

yayo lucky to be breathing.

i see y 50 backed away from g-unit and locked himself in that bigass house for a while.

:lol:

Shit ended up saving his life
 
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" I went and laid down on the couch and went to sleep. When I woke up, Nigel was standing over me going, "Pac, Pac," and all the lights was on in both rooms. The whole mood had changed, you know what I'm saying? I felt like I was drugged. I didn't know how much time had passed. So when I woke up, it was, like, "You're going to the police, you're going to the police." Nigel walks out the room, comes back with the girl. Her clothes is on; ain't nothing tore. She just upset, crying hysterically."






I swear to god;i was just thinking about this the other day.How are you going give me a rape case.When i'm in a room sleep and you are in room with two other guys?

I would love to see the police report.

 
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A whole other side to this entertainment shit. Some evil ninjas man
 
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I swear to god;i was just thinking about this the other day.How are you going give me a rape case.When i'm in a room sleep and you are in room with two other guys?

I would love to see the police report.


nah he wasn't convicted or iirc charged with rape ... supposedly it was for 'forcibly touching the bottocks' ... rape case is NBA numbers .... not no 1 1/2 years he got...

since he wasn't all that interested in her .. end of the day them cats was prolly hitting her with the groupie con game
 
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I find it funny how dudes renounce the image they perpetuated when shit hit the fan.

I remember Pimpin' Snooky talking about that was just a character he played when they were trying to turn that shit against him to prove he was a real pimp. :lol:



 
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nah he wasn't convicted or iirc charged with rape ... supposedly it was for 'forcibly touching the bottocks' ... rape case is NBA numbers .... not no 1 1/2 years he got...

since he wasn't all that interested in her .. end of the day them cats was prolly hitting her with the groupie con game



"unwanted touching of the buttocks". In sentencing Shakur to 1½–4½ years in prison"

So a bitch give you head on the dance floor.You touch her ass and you get 1½–4½?

NY is on that bull shit!


 
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