The Zimmerman Trial: Justice for Trayvon! (Let's discuss it)

I hope they're going to war with more than a screen shot.

http://www.kogym.com/contact.htm

Zimmerman's camp . . . :smh:

Zimmerman MMA Trainer Adam Pollock Was Arrested For Attacking Woman Who Defrauded Him
by Tommy Christopher | 1:59 pm, July 9th, 2013

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/george-z...rested-for-attacking-woman-who-defrauded-him/

Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) trainer Adam Pollock provided key testimony in defense of accused murderer George Zimmerman on Monday, but was due in court Tuesday for a pretrial hearing stemming from his own arrest. In a bizarre coincidence, just one day after providing an in-courtroom demonstration of MMA techniques, with Zimmerman defense attorney Mark O’Mara as his “opponent,” Pollock was due in court over a March, 2013 arrest for allegedly assaulting Tina Mangiardi, a former model who agreed to plead guilty in a scheme to defraud investors of $2 million in a Ponzi scheme.

Fifty year-old Tina Mangiardi signed a statement, in March, admitting that she “fraudulently obtained between $2,500,000 and $7,000,000 from investors” (one of whom was Adam Pollock), and agreed to a guilty plea in exchange for lenient sentencing. Shortly after making the deal, Mangiardi went to Adam Pollock’s gym, and things didn’t go well. From WFTV:


She told police she was going there to pay a debt she owed to Pollock, but Mangiardi said once she was inside the gym, Pollock put on a pair of black gloves and pulled out a knife, threatening to cut off her fingers and toes as collateral.
 
Adam Pollock's Ironwear Fitness commercial

"Are you a wimp...well we can make you even more of a wimp. We will not teach you anything for an entire year but will continue to take your money. So come down you wimp"
 
I must admit JG, you're keeping MY hope alive, if nothing else.

For sure, there hv been stumbles during states presentation of the case, but they're aren't getting fair credit due.

But I'm not the only one. Jagu agrees, and he's a lawyer. So, get the butter ready, the toast will be done in no time.

JG
 
I hope they're going to war with more than a screen shot.

http://www.kogym.com/contact.htm

Zimmerman's camp . . . :smh:

Zimmerman MMA Trainer Adam Pollock Was Arrested For Attacking Woman Who Defrauded Him
by Tommy Christopher | 1:59 pm, July 9th, 2013

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/george-z...rested-for-attacking-woman-who-defrauded-him/

Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) trainer Adam Pollock provided key testimony in defense of accused murderer George Zimmerman on Monday, but was due in court Tuesday for a pretrial hearing stemming from his own arrest. In a bizarre coincidence, just one day after providing an in-courtroom demonstration of MMA techniques, with Zimmerman defense attorney Mark O’Mara as his “opponent,” Pollock was due in court over a March, 2013 arrest for allegedly assaulting Tina Mangiardi, a former model who agreed to plead guilty in a scheme to defraud investors of $2 million in a Ponzi scheme.

Fifty year-old Tina Mangiardi signed a statement, in March, admitting that she “fraudulently obtained between $2,500,000 and $7,000,000 from investors” (one of whom was Adam Pollock), and agreed to a guilty plea in exchange for lenient sentencing. Shortly after making the deal, Mangiardi went to Adam Pollock’s gym, and things didn’t go well. From WFTV:

Damn! I wonder how much she/they got him for?
 
Learned something new..
The state and/or defense can bring in lesser charges than manslaughter for the jury to consider if all agree (especially the state and judge.)
 

http://www.kogym.com/zimmerman.htm

:hmm::lol::smh::eek:

I know what Pollock is gonna say but . . .:smh:

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They got the trainers tertimony up on the website as well! What kind of school does that and offer training Zimmerman style? are they gonna teach how to shoot unarmed minors?
 
Just talked to my lawyer a short while ago. He contends that the prosecution has made mistakes so big that, and I quote, "They're not really INTERESTED in winning this case."


JG
 
They got the trainers tertimony up on the website as well! What kind of school does that and offer training Zimmerman style? are they gonna teach how to shoot unarmed minors?

I'm sure he was gonna claim that it was to give a more in depth explanation of why Zimmerman's was so ineffectual and how it mostly focused on weight loss.

Reality:
He's selling the data.
 
Just talked to my lawyer a short while ago. He contends that the prosecution has made mistakes so big that, and I quote, "They're not really INTERESTED in winning this case."


JG

People been saying that since the first week. It's as if they are used to pleading all their cases out.
 
People been saying that since the first week. It's as if they are used to pleading all their cases out.

I had searched info on Mantei last week and found a Conservative site that had sought info on him as though there were a bounty on him.
That was their description of his track record...that he was brought in specifically because he's "a plea bargain specialist". And I do mean to tell you that they had the dude's income, wife, mother, schools...it ran the gamut. They have all of the State's Attorneys in their cross-hairs.
 
Just talked to my lawyer a short while ago. He contends that the prosecution has made mistakes so big that, and I quote, "They're not really INTERESTED in winning this case."


JG

That's pretty clear to anyone watching.. They have no passion about this case whatsoever..
 
Your reply/reaction?

He hadn't been watching the trial closely . . . too busy lawyering. But that there are HUGE, negligent, mistakes on the behalf of the prosecution, that gave him that impression . . . among other things.

I explained that there were key representations on cross that nullified the defenses KEY witnesses. Add that with all of the fuck ups from GZ that was entered into evidence, and you get a conviction, albeit not a strong one.


I mean in this thread I pointed out that, according to GZ's re-enactment video, he drew his gun from his backside. The prosecution missed this. It would have unravelled the defenses interpretation immediately. Because if you look at todays testimony for the defense, Root, where the prosecution uses the 'dummy' to demonstrate follow by Mark O'Mara's use of the same dummy; you'll see that Mark O'mara conducts his demonstration AS IF the gun was in GZ's front-side waist.


JG
 
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...-Mack-Truck-Sized-Holes-in-Zimmerman-s-Story#

Sorry Colin, but the audio book is not available:

Will the Prosecution Tear Open the Mack-Truck Sized Holes in Zimmerman's Story?



After the last couple days testimony the Prosecution, by playing various Police Interviews with George Zimmerman, has essentially laid out for the jury the entire Defense case without rebuttal or cross-examination.

There's is reason to question this strategy, but what it does allow is for that story to be examined clearly and thoroughly. If Zimmerman's story is true as told, it essentially destroys the entire reason for the case being filed. Conservatives who have been claiming that this case is simply "because Obama politicized it with Holder" (even though President Obama didn't even comment on the case until the day after Gov. Scott assigned a Special Prosecutor) or to appease the "Al Sharpton Wing of the Democrat Party to Prevent a RIOT!" or some such - are already feeling VINDICATED.

If Zimmerman's Story is credible and believable - well - Game Over, Dude. Game Over!

But what if there are problems with Zimmerman's Story which he has been locked into since Day One? What if there are Holes? Big Holes?

Let's grab a back-hoe and meet me over the flip.

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I know that trial is not even half over, but I have to get all this off my chest or I'll explode.

Map of the Crime Scene:

trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-map-911-call-timing.jpg


The first thing people have noted is the fact he decided Travon was acting "Suspicious" because he wasn't "walking fast to get out of the rain" and "going between the houses". Why are Travon's actions automatically "Suspicious" because he doesn't behave the way Zimmerman expects he should? Does he fit the suspect profile (Truthfully, he does. I requested the crime reports from various break-ins around that neighborhood from Sanford PD and he's Does fit the description, although not enough to prove anything - I would post it but the PDF includes my home address) It could be the fact that he really wasn't paying attention to where he going because he was on the PHONE to his friend Rachel Jeantel, and cutting between those houses where he does is a perfect short-cut to and from the 7-11 to the North West.

Let's just leave those issues aside for the moment.

The real big technical and legal issue facing Zimmerman is the fact when Trayvon started to run away to the section between the two rows of house (which led to the father's fiances house) and disappeared from sight George IMMEDIATELY got out of his car to chase Trayvon after he said "Shit, he's running."

That's aggressive behavior on HIS part, behavior he then has to hide or deflect or his all his claims begin to unravel upon themselves.

Full transcript: http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/326700/full-transcript-zimmerman.pdf

Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else.

Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. When you come to the
clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the
clubhouse.

Dispatcher: So it's on the left hand side from the clubhouse?

Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh
you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. Shit he's running.

Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

Zimmerman: The back entrance...fucking [unintelligible] (ed. "PUNKS!")

Dispatcher: Are you following him?

Zimmerman: Yeah

Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.


Zimmerman: Ok


As soon as he says this you can hear the door open, and the wind begin to howl. As we all know the dispatcher heard this and ask him, "Are you following him?"

To which he said "Yeah". and the dispatcher famously said "We don't need you to do that".

Zimmerman responded with "Okay", but he didn't stop. He kept going the same direction he was going (As shown on the map via the Yellow Arrows). The same direction that Trayvon had just run. His explanation for this during the 2nd Interview with Police was - he just wanted to get an address number for the street. But rather than doing it on the Twin Trees street where his car was parked behind him he proceeded to the "T" where Trayvon turned right and he lost sight of him, then Looked Around, didn't see him and went forward all the way "Retreat View Circle" which is the street he lived on in order to get an address to tell the cop where to come.

Let's get this straight. He's been living in this Neighborhood for Three Years but he doesn't know the name of the street he's on? He's part of the "Neighborhood Watch" but he doesn't know the name of all three streets (Retreat View Circle, Twin Trees & Long Oak Way) in the Neighborhood he's been watching?

When asked about this by Det. Serino he makes the unbelievable claim that "He wasn't following Trayvon, he was just going the same way Trayvon went."

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Uh what?

When asked why he doesn't know what street he's on he says "He has a really bad memory?"

Ok, this guy tells this story at least 3-4 times within that same night, at least twice to police - two of which videos I've seen - and then a third and forth time to his Air Marshal friend and his wife when they picked him up from the police station.

It doesn't change, it doesn't vary. But he has a "bad memory"? Okey dokey.

We Know he got out the car and chased after Trayvon once he ran, we can hear it, the dispatcher heard it, he admitted to it on the tape. Instead of simply going back to his car and checking the address on Twin Trees he has to walk past the last area he saw Trayvon not once - BUT TWICE on his way to the far street and back again.

Does that make any sense for a guy who swears he didn't want to confront the "Fucking Punk Asshole" who always gets away? Sure, let me just saunter back and forth across the last spot I saw the Asshole... cuz.. nothing bad could ever happen that way could it? Nah. Never.

From what we heard from Rachel's testimony Trayvon did run and then he hid somewhere below the "T" in the area behind his father's fiances house (which was at the end of the double row to the south) thinking he "lost him". It would make sense if this occurred after Zimmerman passed by the "T" the first time on his way to Retreat View to get the address he "needed" but never did give the dispatcher.

Dispatcher: Alright George we do have them on the way, do you want to meet with the
officer when they get out there?

Zimmerman: Alright, where you going to meet with them at?

Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the
club house, and uh, straight past the club house and make a left, and then they
go past the mailboxes, that’s my truck...[unintelligible]

Dispatcher: What address are you parked in front of?

Zimmerman: I don’t know, it’s a cut through so I don’t know the address.

Dispatcher: Okay do you live in the area?

Zimmerman: Yeah, I...[unintelligible]

Dispatcher: What’s your apartment number?

Zimmerman: It’s a home it’s 1950, oh crap I don’t want to give it all out, I don’t know where this kid is.

Dispatcher: Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes
then?

Zimmerman: Yeah that’s fine.

Dispatcher: Alright George, I’ll let them know to meet you around there okay?

Zimmerman: Actually could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at?

Dispatcher: Okay, yeah that’s no problem.

OK...the rest of this is wayyyy to extensive for me to post here so check the source link and as always the comments. Vyan is a dkos diarist and he is also on twitter. https://twitter.com/Vyan1

Sourcelink: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...-Mack-Truck-Sized-Holes-in-Zimmerman-s-Story#
 
He hadn't been watching the trial closely . . . too busy lawyering. But that there are HUGE, negligent, mistakes on the behalf of the prosecution, that gave him that impression . . . among other things.

I explained that were key representations on cross that nullified the defenses KEY witnesses. Add that with all of the fuck ups from GZ that was entered into evidence, and you get a conviction, albeit not a strong one.


I mean in this thread I pointed out that, according to GZ's re-enactment video, he drew his gun from his backside. The prosecution missed this. It would have unravelled the defenses interpretation immediately. Because if you look at todays testimony for the defense, Root, where the prosecution uses the 'dummy' to demonstrate follow by Mark O'Mara's use of the same dummy; you'll see that Mark O'mara conducts his demonstration AS IF the gun was in GZ's front-side waist.


JG

I gotcha...thanks JG for the perspective and the consults/opinions of your friend.
 
^^^^^^ in that 911 recording why didn't he want to give his address out so the police can find where he is? Yet he wants the police to call him?

Seems like George already had in his mind he was going to commit a crime so anything on that 911 call would not be used against him

Them requesting the police to directly call him shows to me he knew a couple people in the Sanford PD
 
That's pretty clear to anyone watching.. They have no passion about this case whatsoever..

laymans can see it


I get that . . . but I try to be a fair/honest broker. . . and I can also see where they make salient and definitive points as well. And that guy Mantei, and the other states attorney with the dummy did the defenses most damning testimony, a lot of damage.

It's also funny, because just as I theorized that the most reasonable explanation is that GZ was the one on top of TM, which is supported by witness testimony, only one of the legal talking heads echoed this theory.

But then they get other things spot on. It's like the a championship caliber team TRYING to throw a game by point shaving. They HAVE TO perform well enough to appear competent, whether something is rotten in Denmark or not.



I also know it's DIFFICULT to cheat if you're nomally good. Because good practitioners don't spend any time learning how to be bad. So it could be the case that the prosecution will win, despite their alleged negligence. Shit maybe, this is inside ball, and these local prosecutors don't REALLY want to be the guys that send the former judges son to 25 to life...AWK-WARD.

And more importantly, the LAST THING either side wants is a hung jury. That's bad ALL THE WAY AROUND.

So the fact that the acquittal was denied, signals to me that the state will win. If fo nothing else, the jury can SEE that GZ is stinking up the room.



JG
 
I had searched info on Mantei last week and found a Conservative site that had sought info on him as though there were a bounty on him.
That was their description of his track record...that he was brought in specifically because he's "a plea bargain specialist". And I do mean to tell you that they had the dude's income, wife, mother, schools...it ran the gamut. They have all of the State's Attorneys in their cross-hairs.

He was brought in specifically for this case? I didn't know that. And why would conservatives be mad with a "plea bargain specialist" taking the case? They get the incompetence we witnessed in this trial.

Maybe they should have had a seasoned cat with a young lion looking to make a name for himself. He would have acted like he was getting paid like the defense lawyers.

They are use to the system (cops etc..) witnesses being on their side. They are fighting a uphill battle.

I don't think most people have the money to take shit to the box. Just for an average murder trial, I think you are looking at $50,000. I could be wrong, but most people going to the box are probably doing so with sorry ass public defenders and not "expert" witnesses.

Prosecutors seem to just get by with plea bargains. Bullies selling wolf tickets until a high-priced defense lawyer punches them in the chops and they look like bitches.

I find it pathetic they didn't field a more effective case. I hope commonsense prevails with the jurors. How you can't get women to feel the fear of being followed by a stranger at night is beyond me. This shit was a slam dunk case.

I wonder what happens if there is a hung jury.....
 
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