The expert said he died within 20 seconds, I don't think he was thinking that.
The Zimmerman Trial: Justice for Trayvon! (Let's discuss it)
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The expert said he died within 20 seconds, I don't think he was thinking that.
You both are driving the point home: he had no legal authority to investigate shit & if he keeps his ass in the truck while the kid ran away from him...he wouldn't need it for "self defense". Dude got out there to hunt that kid down.
Man.. Check my posts in here. It's clear what side I'm on, bruh.. We're debating whether it's worth the Prosecutions time to question when he readied his gun. It's not.
To tell the truth, you can hear him readying his gun in the 911 tape. But, it really doesn't make a difference.
The only thing that matters is who confronted who..
I agree, I don't think they're losing either. To me it's clear who did the confronting. That 911 tape should be more than enough to convict. I think GZ is gonna have to take the stand & that's where it will unravel.
I don't think that wasn't what anyone testified to. Everyone on the scene said that when Zimmerman got up, Trayvon was on his stomach with his hands underneath him (well, Zimmerman said that he moved Trayvon's hands out from under him, but that's bs). There has been no testimony about him having turned himself over unless I missed something.
Walking while black, young, targeted, and unarmed.
Unfortunately, for the way they are gonna try to define self defense, they're gonna get it down to a more granular level. They want to (and the law will probably allow) push past the whole "officer George" act, him following Trayvon, getting out of the vehicle (because dispatch can only suggest that he not... they don't have authority to order), following him.... and make it all about the actual fight. Since Trayvon is dead, he can't tell his side, so we got George saying Trayvon ran up on him, and we have Jenteal's testimony about what she heard on the phone ("get off me"). They're trying to bolster George's story by concentrating on who was on top at some point, although that shouldn't matter at all for reasons mentioned in this thread.
Anyway, although common sense, and I think any dude here will agree that a person being followed by some strange non-law enforcement person has every right to feel threatened and to defend themselves, the defense is trying to steam roll over that, and so far the prosecution is letting them.
Anyway, although common sense, and I think any dude here will agree that a person being followed by some strange non-law enforcement person has every right to feel threatened and to defend themselves, the defense is trying to steam roll over that, and so far the prosecution is letting them.
Yes he really had no business to do that. But, that point is not what is on trial here. What is on trails is the actions that led to the shooting. Zim had every right to investigate what he considered "suspicious behaviour", he however had no right to confront TM.
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The trial will be decided on the events immediately before the shooting and not the 911 call.
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Who tough you that is was a proper or safe procedure in handling a firearm? I'm guessing you didn't learn proper firearm handling in the military. I'm hoping you don't have kids around your house. Thats not safe!
If he got out of his truck and chambered a round, that's says he was in a heightened state of aggression and it lead to the death of that kid.
If he had not been armed and feeling like that made him superman, the coward would have never got out of his truck!
Unfortunately I think you might be right but that's because that is the directions they are giving the jury. I hope they are smart enough to make their own decisions and realize even if the kid threw the first punch (I don't think he did) he was defending himself against some predator that was stalking him ad he had no reason why.
The prosecution is letting the defense change the direction of the trial from, Zimmerman creating a situation where this kid was in fear for his life and defended himself too the kid was winning the fight so Zimmerman had to shoot him!
This while situation was created by Zimmerman! Not the kid who was scared of the strange following him!
What was so suspicious by a boy walking home in the rain minding his own business. Because he had a hood on?
I was watching HLN and someone on the panel made a very good point John Goode testimony about the fight being on the sidewalk and moving to grass at that point GZ head is no longer on concrete. If the prosecution is smart they can use this to their advantage. GZ said TM was slamming his head against the pavement which is why he shot him.
I still would like to know if he owned a gun when he made the earlier calls and if not that could shed a lil tight on why he followed travon when he had a gun, you know he felt unstoppable with that gun.
Also who took that pic of him on his back. i love what the prosecutor is trying to do but shit im not a lawyer and there's some basic shit that hasn't been asked yet..
Also who took that pic of him on his back. i love what the prosecutor is trying to do but shit im not a lawyer and there's some basic shit that hasn't been asked yet..
The prosecution is trying to create a case without using GZ statements to the police to force him to take the stand. They are hoping to use videotape evidence outside the clubhouse to prove that GZ chased TM in his truck. Guy from the security camera testified it was 18 mins off!!
That's a good point but now I think they know he is not going to take the stand they need to go all in and hit some of the points we are talking about!
They can not let this scumbag get away with stalking, murdering this kid and then claiming self defense!
At this point the prosecution is fucking up so much and to me comes off unprepared for this trial from their witnesses to their execution. We are screaming on this board and quarterbacking but Like Kaynation I have no confidence in the prosecution. The jury is made up of the same racist element from that county and trying to change their minds or convince them of anything is an uphill battle.
Sybrina Fulton (Trayvon's mom) is watching her son being murdered all over again in this trial. The saddest thing is the people that are supposed to help are assisting in the murder, from the incompetent prosecution attorney to the dumb ass witnesses. I'll keep saying it, I hope to God none of us end up in that family's shoes and when we cry out for help this is what we get.
If Zimmerman is aquitted, this situation will play out again. But next time it could end up CAC kid getting shot and kill in mistaken id.
Sybrina Fulton (Trayvon's mom) is watching her son being murdered all over again in this trial. The saddest thing is the people that are supposed to help are assisting in the murder, from the incompetent prosecution attorney to the dumb ass witnesses. I'll keep saying it, I hope to God none of us end up in that family's shoes and when we cry out for help this is what we get.
The trial was never going to be easy. Stand you ground laws essentially allows a person to legally commit murder.
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Bottom line: 6 white jurors and one (?). Reasonsable doubt in Florida? All they need is one juror to see it one way and he walks. He will walk. Prosecution is weak. Let that knock knock joke slide? Poorly coached Rachel Jeantel. Redirect is too brief. The prosecution is very forgettable. Smh.
c/s I was expecting to see a lot more evidence against Z. Don't know if the prosecution is incompetent or that there was never really that much against him.
Remember though, stand your ground is off the table in this trial. It's a self defense trial now, which is why they keep talking about fat boy being in fear for his life. That wouldnt even matter in stand your ground.
Everything you said +1. I hope someone catches this fool slipping after the trial.
I agree. The evidence is shoddy at best. Now if this happened in another state, it may be different.
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I mentioned this either earlier in this thread or in another zimmerman thread..... google Trevor Dooley trial. Kinda similar florida case from last year. Older black man shot a younger white man....got 8 years i think. Tried stand your ground but judge denied it so they went with self defense. In that case, he flashed his gun during an argument and then walked away...but white dude tackled him and tried to subdue him (even white dudes daughter admitted that). During the struggle, the black guy shot the white guy. Interesting because there was no doubt or argument about who attacked who.
Interesting, never seen that case brought up by any of the tv analyst.
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You guys need to understand that the big damage in this case was really done by the chief of police and zimmerman father. They didn't allow the investigator to do his job from the very beginning, remember his father is an ex-judge and he was able to leverage the chief to avoid the proper steps in this investigation.
If i'm not wrong the investigator didn't believe GZ story and they wanted him under arrest from the get go, but the chief didn't let that happened. Allowing his father to help him put this bullshit on, trust me judges are one of the most corrupted characters in the justice system, he knew what he was doing.
If i'm not wrong the investigator didn't believe GZ story and they wanted him under arrest from the get go, but the chief didn't let that happened. Allowing his father to help him put this bullshit on, trust me judges are one of the most corrupted characters in the justice system, he knew what he was doing.
But it's like NG & the family's lawyer said, that tape is equally as important as Jeantel. The moment he said TM ran from him & he continued to pursue, gave TM a right to defend himself. Even if TM threw the first punch like the defense keeps trying to set up that doesn't negate the fact that GZ chased & then cornered him.
The prosecution have to drive home the point that TM was in fear of & was running for his life.
When I first saw the story about TM, I also found this article on CNN about the "stand your ground" laws in Fla. It was a retired black man who shot and killed a white Iraq war veteran. The shooter was released because of the law.
From the very beginning to even now, this case is about the stand your ground laws as a means of self defense.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/world/article/311679/28/Widow-says-Floridas-Stand-Your-Ground-law-is-free-pass-for-murder
Yeah, that's the Trevor Dooley case I mentioned above. He didn't get off though...got convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 8 years. He's out on bail while he appeals the conviction as of this past March. Not sure when they go back to court for it though.
He tried to use stand your ground in the original trial, but the judge denied it.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_hillsborough/stand-your-ground-defense-denied-for-trevor-dooley-in-2010-death-of-david-james-in-valrico
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/trevor-dooley-released-from-jail-pending-appeal-convicted-of-killing-neighbor-david-james
He tried to use stand your ground in the original trial, but the judge denied it.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_hillsborough/stand-your-ground-defense-denied-for-trevor-dooley-in-2010-death-of-david-james-in-valrico
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/trevor-dooley-released-from-jail-pending-appeal-convicted-of-killing-neighbor-david-james
I remember this case. There has been countless cases where the laws were made and when blacks tried to apply them to get acquitted were denied. The racist fucker who shot the two thieves her in Houston (Pasadena) got off by arguing the "Castle law" that says you have a right to protect your property. He got off but when they looked at a dew cases where black tried to do the same thing her in Texas it was flatly thrown out and the black folks went to jail.
Zimmerman was always going to get off and this case was a uphill battle that's why I'm so outraged at those in the case that did nothing to help and the prosecution that comes off clumsy and unprepared.
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