~~Miami Heat vs San Antonio - 2013 NBA Finals - The Miami Heat wins!

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But no one ever says that or tries to diminish J's titles by admitting the league was weak.
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Question...and try to answer without the rest of the dribble. I don't want to make this about Lebron and Jordan because I know you're obsessed with it.

Do you really think the current NBA is tougher than the 90s NBA? A basic yes or no is cool. I just want you to go on the record with it.

 

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Please do tell, what made Vlade Divac such a tough matchup for the Bulls? What 2 guard was Jordan worried about defending that series? It was a cupcake series and you know it.
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Why are you jumping all over the place? What did Vlade Divac in particularly do to cause a shooting guard to have one of the highest assists averages in NBA Finals history? Also, no other player averaged that many assists in the playoffs against the Lakers.

So why wasn't it Scottie Pippen who averaged 12 assists per game. And we've had weak centers in the finals since then (perkins is weaker than Divac).. but why hasn't another player averaged double digits in the finals since Jordan did it?

You've not given a sufficient response. Can it just be that Jordan played great basketball and did more than just score? Answering yes doesn't deflower Lebron. Come on, you can do it.

and btw.. I also think this Spurs team is much better than that Lakers team. But I can make an honest assessment about a player's play without doing what you do.

Like I said, Lebron played excellent in the 2012 Finals and I don't put a * because it was a shortened season and he got Perkins and Coach Brooks bum ass in the finals. You shouldn't do what you do homie. There are better ways to support your favorite player than doing what you do. Seriously.

 

[KingTaharqa]

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Question...and try to answer without the rest of the dribble. I don't want to make this about Lebron and Jordan because I know you're obsessed with it.

Do you really think the current NBA is tougher than the 90s NBA? A basic yes or no is cool. I just want you to go on the record with it.

Overall, no.

Do I think this Spurs team and franchise is more seasoned and better than any Finals opponent Jordan saw? yes. Which one do you take over this Spurs?

Do I think Pop is a better coach than Dunleavy, Adelman, Karl, & Sloan? Yes. Which one do you take over Pop?

Do I think Tim Duncan is a better big man than Barkley, Malone, Sam Perkins, Vlade, Mark West, Ostertag? Yes. Which one do you take over Duncan?

 

[KingTaharqa]

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Why are you jumping all over the place? What did Vlade Divac in particularly do to cause a shooting guard to have one of the highest assists averages in NBA Finals history? Also, no other player averaged that many assists in the playoffs against the Lakers.

Its not what Vlade did, its what he didnt do. Block shots, be a defensive presence, kill on the glass. And he was the best center Jordan would see in a Finals.

So why wasn't it Scottie Pippen who averaged 12 assists per game. And we've had weak centers in the finals since then (perkins is weaker than Divac).. but why hasn't another player averaged double digits in the finals since Jordan did it?

Jordan drew more attention in that series than Pippen. That series was kinda Scottie's coming out party. Jordan was able to pass out of double and triple teams to find his teammates. Same way he beat your Pistons earlier that playoff. You notice Jordan never came close to posting assist numbers like that in Finals ever again, and finished with less in postseason play than Scottie for his career.

You've not given a sufficient response. Can it just be that Jordan played great basketball and did more than just score? Answering yes doesn't deflower Lebron. Come on, you can do it.

Could it be weak competition and Jordan didnt have to worry about checking anyone on defense? We know how well he did trying to guard Magic.

 

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Overall, no.

Ok. I appreciate the honesty. So it's possible that the Bulls beat better teams on the way to the finals that teams that are currently making it to the Finals. For instance, I don't think that OKC team was particularly a great team nor do they even have a decent coach. Brooks is trash.

That Lakers finals team that the Bulls faced was not a great team. But they did what they were supposed to do, they beat the breaks off of them.

Do I think this Spurs team and franchise is more seasoned and better than any Finals opponent Jordan saw? yes. Which one do you take over this Spurs?

I can agree with this. They've won multiple titles with this core. This is a great team but this SAME team also got their asses ran off the court least seasona and they also got lucky with all the injuries in the West. A healthy westbrook puts OKC right back in the Finals.

It was hard to Bulls to have faced that type of team because the 80s dynasties were done and no one else won titles to have the pedigree. They didn't win one and lost..win another, lose.etc like the Spurs.. they won 3 straight..... jordan retired... they then lost to orlando and game back and won 3 more and then the team was broken up. Hard to play against another title teams when you're winning all the titles. I wouldnt hold that against those old Boston teams either (russell's team)

Do I think Pop is a better coach than Dunleavy, Adelman, Karl, & Sloan? Yes. Which one do you take over Pop?

Nope. Pop>>>

Sloan was a great coach though but unfortunately, he lived in an era where it was hard to eat.

Do I think Tim Duncan is a better big man than Barkley, Malone, Sam Perkins, Vlade, Mark West, Ostertag? Yes. Which one do you take over Duncan?

I do too. However, this season's Tim Duncan is NOT that player. He's Magic in the 1991 Finals against the Bulls. He can still give you great numbers but he's not dominant.

The Karl Malone and Charles Barkley that Jordan faced was better than THIS SEASON's Duncan. He's still a great player but he's probably got two seasons left...just like Magic in 1991...he's past his prime so it's not like the Heat are facing a prime Duncan.

Overall Duncan is the greatest PF of all-time but this season's Duncan while still really good is not that player.

 

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Re: ~~Miami Heat vs San Antonio - 2013 NBA Finals - (Spurs 3 - Miami 2) ~~

I dont recall the 2 overglamorized shooting guards ever going up against 4x champs in the Finals or a coach that has won as much as Pop in the Finals.

Haha!

That's right. Kobe AND the Lakers never played San Antonio and put them out. I mean, we're talking PRIME DUNCAN, and Parker...

and the spurs had home court advantage.

But it would be impossible for the lakers to face the spurs in the finals, as he mentioned.

 

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You all can't expect much from KingT...

...this dude has gone FULL RETARD over Lebron, 'cause as he told me a month or so ago, 'No one is eating for the next decade but Lebron'. Dude was thoroughly convinced he found the dude to topple Jordan.

Now shit is looking REALLY funky for dude, and it's hard as hell for him to accept it.

Let me say this shit again: There has not been a player SINCE Jordan, that is on dude's level. Kobe worked like hell to acquire his arsenal. Kobe is hyper-competitive, and his confidence issues are probably more to do with having too much, than not enough. Even HE fell short of Mike.

Lebron is an intelligent, athletic freak ... who plays a very good all-around game - but is being exposed in a way MJ has never been.

They didn't sag off MJ since dude was being called 'Captain Marvel', and he'd still take it to the rack and score.

I thought Kobe had a chance, and then Lebron...

...but it looks like MJ is going to be safe on that throne for a minute.

 

[KingTaharqa]

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and the spurs had home court advantage.

But it would be impossible for the lakers to face the spurs in the finals, as he mentioned.

What HOF bigs or coaches did they face coming out the east in the 2000s. I know they went against Larry Brown one time, how did that work out?

 

[TimRock]

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What HOF bigs or coaches did they face coming out the east in the 2000s. I know they went against Larry Brown one time, how did that work out?

wow, im gonna give you a minute to think about this. you can even come back and edit your post if you want to.

but you are now backpeddling on your original comment. someone proves it wrong, and then you come with something else. what are we discussing here. you will be proven wrong again with this comment, and then what will you say?

 

[KingTaharqa]

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wow, im gonna give you a minute to think about this. you can even come back and edit your post if you want to.

Why would I? The Lakers lost to HOF coach Larry Brown in the Finals.

 

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I hate to be an ass about all of this, but...

...wait...wait ... before I say ANYTHING, where in the FUCK is RoadRage?

 

[TimRock]

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Why would I? The Lakers lost to HOF coach Larry Brown in the Finals.

keep going...............you'll get it.

 

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Jordan drew more attention in that series than Pippen. That series was kinda Scottie's coming out party. Jordan was able to pass out of double and triple teams to find his teammates. Same way he beat your Pistons earlier that playoff. You notice Jordan never came close to posting assist numbers like that in Finals ever again

A center is not going to affect a SGs assist ratio much regardless. If anything, it's going to increase a SGs FGP as he'll get easier shots with a weak center who can't defend the paint. At this point, Jordan wasn't the quite the premier post player he ended up being. He was doing his damage on drive and dish...and it was the perimeter players he was eating...not divac. I remember that series clearly.

No one has come close to that...Not just Jordan because that shit doesn't happen often. Only other player to do it was Magic. No one has been close to that over the last 25 years. So unless Divac was the magic assists creator for shooting guards, your fighting a losing battle. It was something specifically that only Jordan could exploit. Otherwise it would have happened since. Like I said, Divac is better than Perkins and no one on the heat even came near those type of assist numbers.

So essentially you are saying that Jordan played great ball. You just don't want to say the words.

He did was the series called him to do..... other series called for me scoring and he scored more.

Yo homie.... We all know how you feel about Lebron... there are just better ways of supporting your favorite player. Your bias is so overwhelming that it makes people ignore that you often do make some good points too but it's hard to catch the signal for all the other noise your create. You signal to noise ratio needs to be modded.

 

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I hate to be an ass about all of this, but...

...wait...wait ... before I say ANYTHING, where in the FUCK is RoadRage?

This dude was talking sweep.... talking about Cole was the best defender on the heat (even better than Lebron) and that he was going to make Parker pretty much useless in this series. He was adamant about it too. I've never seen anyone consistently keep Parker in front of them..and Cole is not even a good defender...maybe not even an average defender.. he's "active" but active doesn't necessarily mean "good".

 

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I consider that niggas 'good points' to be a 'glitch in the Matrix'.

 

[KingTaharqa]

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Yo homie.... We all know how you feel about Lebron... there are just better ways of supporting your favorite player. Your bias is so overwhelming that it makes people ignore that you often do make some good points too but it's hard to catch the signal for all the other noise your create. You signal to noise ratio needs to be modded.

I know how all you guys feel about Mike. You worship and idolize him and have supported his products for a long time. He was a great player and a legend. But he has flaws like any other man, and he took L's like any other player. When you guys engage in the "nostalgia" "Mike was perfect" stuff it hurts your credibility. Its OK to admit that the NBA has evolved since he played and there are areas that LeBron is better than him at. When you guys get on this CAC based "move the goal posts" stuff it makes people feel like he really is better. Its not like there arent guys from Jordan's era or even played with him that havent said this. If Mike is gonna be the "standard", tell the whole story and not the "he had no flaws or ever lost" sanitized version.

 

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There's a motherfucker posting regularly in this thread who may kill themselves if the Heat lose! I know its all jokes and shit but I am seriously concerned for this Poster... You guys should really back off a bit because either this poster is going to kill himself or the Heat may really need to beef up security. May be in a particular star Heat players best interest to find employment elsewhere ass soon as possible...

 

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I know how all you guys feel about Mike. You worship and idolize him and have supported his products for a long time. He was a great player and a legend. But he has flaws like any other man, and he took L's like any other player. When you guys engage in the "nostalgia" "Mike was perfect" stuff it hurts your credibility. Its OK to admit that the NBA has evolved since he played and there are areas that LeBron is better than him at. When you guys get on this CAC based "move the goal posts" stuff it makes people feel like he really is better. Its not like there arent guys from Jordan's era or even played with him that havent said this. If Mike is gonna be the "standard", tell the whole story and not the "he had no flaws or ever lost" sanitized version.

We are you saying you guys?. I said YOU. I neither worship or idolize Jordan much less buy his products. You have to remember, you are the one with a player as your sig and avatar..not me. Just seems kind of ironic that you would even say something like that considering your position here.

I'm on the record more than once saying that league has evolved beyond Jordan so I'm not guilty of that as well.

Point out ONE point in this thread where I have moved a goal-post on Lebron? Just one.

Even this response here seems like a cop-out. It seems like you care more about Jordan's shadow than even Lebron.

But you're trying to create false narratives and it's just not the way to go about doing things. I'm just trying to give you some helpful advice. The vigor in which you fight the truth is shocking.

Anyway I'm done with the point now and want to get back to discussing the current NBA finals series.

 

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There's a motherfucker posting regularly in this thread who may kill themselves if the Heat lose! I know its all jokes and shit but I am seriously concerned for this Poster... You guys should really back off a bit because either this poster is going to kill himself or the Heat may really need to beef up security. May be in a particular star Heat players best interest to find employment elsewhere ass soon as possible...

I'm not convinced dude isn't, in part, trolling.

He seems more lucid than 'other' basketball maniacs. Meaning, despite all of the insanity, there are moments where you know dude KNOWS the deal, he just refuses to accept it.

The day he suggests Jordan is inferior to Byron Russell or someone like that, then maybe we may need to chip in for the meds.

 

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To me the real x-factor in this series has been Danny Green. There hasn't been anyone else on the Spurs that has produced anything that would shock you. Duncan is having a nice solid series. Parker is having his moments. Those are expected. Manu has played like shit except for one game this series. That has been consistent with this entire playoff performance series to series.

Danny Green is the one that has tipped this series.

Danny Green was BARELY a double digit scorer this season.. He's averaging nearly 20 a game while shooting 66% from three. He's turning the series and those aren't a quiet 20 points. He's hitting crucial shots that tend to break Miami's run before they can really get started.

I said before the series that Wade's perimeter defense has been killing Miami all post-season but someone has got to lock down Green. he doesn't create his own shot...he doesn't shoot off the dribble. He's not curling off of double-screens and baseline picks. He's purely a spot up shooter. The defender just has to commit to sticking on him and not giving him any room.

If Duncan beats you or parker goes off, I think you can live with that....but you can't live with Green averaging the 26 points that he's averaged over the last two Spurs' wins.

Green was barely their 4th best scorer this season...barely... when the 4th best scorer is up to 26 points a game in the last two wins, you've got some serious problems occuring on the defensive end.

 

[KingTaharqa]

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I'm not convinced dude isn't, in part, trolling.

He seems more lucid than 'other' basketball maniacs. Meaning, despite all of the insanity, there are moments where you know dude KNOWS the deal, he just refuses to accept it.

The day he suggests Jordan is inferior to Byron Russell or someone like that, then maybe we may need to chip in for the meds.

I see why Cranrab and X-Factor been shitting on you for years. You Kobe fanatics never bring facts or stats to the table. Just weak disses and emotional rants.

 

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I'm not convinced dude isn't, in part, trolling.

He seems more lucid than 'other' basketball maniacs. Meaning, despite all of the insanity, there are moments where you know dude KNOWS the deal, he just refuses to accept it.

The day he suggests Jordan is inferior to Byron Russell or someone like that, then maybe we may need to chip in for the meds.

Yeah. He's not gone Keith Bogans on us yet.

 

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He found a way to team up with the Bad Boys Pistons SF, PF, & C to win 72 games and get back to the Finals after his "comeback" flopped.

He already had 3 rings by then

 

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To me the real x-factor in this series has been Danny Green. There hasn't been anyone else on the Spurs that has produced anything that would shock you. Duncan is having a nice solid series. Parker is having his moments. Those are expected. Manu has played like shit except for one game this series. That has been consistent with this entire playoff performance series to series.

Danny Green is the one that has tipped this series.

Danny Green was BARELY a double digit scorer this season.. He's averaging nearly 20 a game while shooting 66% from three. He's turning the series and those aren't a quiet 20 points. He's hitting crucial shots that tend to break Miami's run before they can really get started.

I said before the series that Wade's perimeter defense has been killing Miami all post-season but someone has got to lock down Green. he doesn't create his own shot...he doesn't shoot off the dribble. He's not curling off of double-screens and baseline picks. He's purely a spot up shooter. The defender just has to commit to sticking on him and not giving him any room.

If Duncan beats you or parker goes off, I think you can live with that....but you can't live with Green averaging the 26 points that he's averaged over the last two Spurs' wins.

Green was barely their 4th best scorer this season...barely... when the 4th best scorer is up to 26 points a game in the last two wins, you've got some serious problems occuring on the defensive end.

And Leonard being a silent killer. Green has been cutting the Heat deep, but Leonard as thrown salt on the wounds.

I have a feeling we'll see a lot of Duncan in game 6. Game 5 clearly showed that the Heat have problems when he gets the ball in the paint. Establish Duncan early and let the shooter feed off of that.

Heat just need to play harder than they did in game 5. I thought they played well, just lacked the efforts we seen in game 4. Miller has to be out the starting line up. Don't know who Spo is replace him with though.

 

[KingTaharqa]

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He already had 3 rings by then

So, he still clicked up wit the enemy when he fell short in '95. It'd be like Garnett, Pierce, and Perkins coming to the Heat next year if LeBron loses this Finals.

Fact is, nobody had these lil gay ass etiquette rules of winning for Jordan like they do for LeBron. Nobody saying "oh Dr. J did it this way, you gotta do it the same or you aint real". Or "you cant play with him, its not fair for your ex-rival Ron Harper to be on your team"

 

[KingTaharqa]

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And Leonard being a silent killer. Green has been cutting the Heat deep, but Leonard as thrown salt on the wounds.

I have a feeling we'll see a lot of Duncan in game 6. Game 5 clearly showed that the Heat have problems when he gets the ball in the paint. Establish Duncan early and let the shooter feed off of that.

Heat just need to play harder than they did in game 5. I thought they played well, just lacked the efforts we seen in game 4. Miller has to be out the starting line up. Don't know who Spo is replace him with though.

The problem was DEFENSE. In game's 3 & 5 their defense sucked. I felt like last night offensively they played well enough to win, but there were too many open shots for Green, and the "others" like Neal, Leonard, & Splitter got too much. The entire Spurs starting 5 including Giniboli got in double figures. They cant happen again for Miami if they want to repeat as Champions.

 

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You all can't expect much from KingT...

...this dude has gone FULL RETARD over Lebron, 'cause as he told me a month or so ago, 'No one is eating for the next decade but Lebron'. Dude was thoroughly convinced he found the dude to topple Jordan.

Now shit is looking REALLY funky for dude, and it's hard as hell for him to accept it.

Let me say this shit again: There has not been a player SINCE Jordan, that is on dude's level. Kobe worked like hell to acquire his arsenal. Kobe is hyper-competitive, and his confidence issues are probably more to do with having too much, than not enough. Even HE fell short of Mike.

Lebron is an intelligent, athletic freak ... who plays a very good all-around game - but is being exposed in a way MJ has never been.

They didn't sag off MJ since dude was being called 'Captain Marvel', and he'd still take it to the rack and score.

I thought Kobe had a chance, and then Lebron...

...but it looks like MJ is going to be safe on that throne for a minute.

Yep

 

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And Leonard being a silent killer. Green has been cutting the Heat deep, but Leonard as thrown salt on the wounds.

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Yeah. They had that game where Green and Leonard scored 52...outscoring Lebron and Wade. When that happens, you are in trouble.

What Miami has going for it is that asking role players to do that in game 6 or possibly a game 7 on the road would be asking a lot. If Green continues to score 20+ and shooting around 60% from three on the road and the Spurs win this series, it will be one of the most impressive things I've ever seen in the finals. Sometimes role players have ONE or two impressive games that help you...not an entire series like this.

I almost want to say I would be shocked by him doing this in Miami but I wouldnt be shocked by anything in this series.

Lebron and Wade have to commit to locking down the perimeter. Those three are demoralizing... check the body language after those threes...

 

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The problem was DEFENSE. In game's 3 & 5 their defense sucked. I felt like last night offensively they played well enough to win, but there were too many open shots for Green, and the "others" like Neal, Leonard, & Splitter got too much. The entire Spurs starting 5 including Giniboli got in double figures. They cant happen again for Miami if they want to repeat as Champions.

True, BUT the Spurs did have 18 turnovers

I seem many of missed opportunities from the Heat as well. They took 16 more shots than the Spurs. Even made two more 3 pointers. The Spurs did shoot 60% and the Heat had some lapses on defense to attribute to that, but in actuality the Heat was suppose to have the scoring advantage based on how many more shots they took.

 

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Yeah. They had that game where Green and Leonard scored 52...outscoring Lebron and Wade. When that happens, you are in trouble.

What Miami has going for it is that asking role players to do that in game 6 or possibly a game 7 on the road would be asking a lot. If Green continues to score 20+ and shooting around 60% from three on the road and the Spurs win this series, it will be one of the most impressive things I've ever seen in the finals. Sometimes role players have ONE or two impressive games that help you...not an entire series like this.

I almost want to say I would be shocked by him doing this in Miami but I wouldnt be shocked by anything in this series.

Lebron and Wade have to commit to locking down the perimeter. Those three are demoralizing... check the body language after those threes...

Yeah those shits are stinging now. At first you just kind of deal with it. Now it is to the point they are halting runs. Make it worse that it is 60% which basically means there is really nothing anyone can do about it. He takes smart 3s too (if that makes any sense).

 

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Heat had some lapses on defense to attribute to that, .

Not just on defense... on loose balls...on Lebron waiting for the defender (to get a bail out foul) instead of just yoking on that fast break where Green got him, etc... Sometimes it's just effort plain and simple... like they're just satisfied with getting that one win in SA to get the series back to Miami.

There's no excuse for Danny Green to still be getting so many clean looking threes. He's getting 7-8 good looks per game from three. Again, Green doesnt create off the dribble nor does he get shots of a lot of picks or back greens where their timing based curls with a quick release. He's being left often.

 

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Yeah those shits are stinging now. At first you just kind of deal with it. Now it is to the point they are halting runs. Make it worse that it is 60% which basically means there is really nothing anyone can do about it. He takes smart 3s too (if that makes any sense).

I've seen Lebron, Wade, Bosh, etc just drop their shoulders and shrug on those Green 3s..i don't notice it with anything else....but it's like.. not this shit again...it's the feeling when you can't stop something....like they'll go on a quick run..have a chance to get a lead or get it really close and then they're turn it over and Green will drop a 3 (5 or even 6 point swing). That shit kills a team.....but even worse because it's happening several times per game. If Parker does it, you kind of deal with it....but Green dropping 25 and 27 on you hurts... he's neutralizing the efforts of either Wade or Lebron.... there are games where Leonard and Green are playing Wade and Lebron even...

 

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...if the Spurs win, I just can't see Spo coming back.

Of all the coaches to coach that talent, you have .... who?

Not exactly the 'dream coach'.

For instance, imagine Miami's defense if they were coached by Pop? Exactly.

 

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...if the Spurs win, I just can't see Spo coming back.

Of all the coaches to coach that talent, you have .... who?

Not exactly the 'dream coach'.

For instance, imagine Miami's defense if they were coached by Pop? Exactly.

Green had hit back to back 3s and Coach Pop chewed his ass out when he fucked up a defensive assignment. It's just the way he is. He still chews out Parker and he sat Duncan at the end of games against Golden State and Duncan didn't complain. They respect Pop. You have to criticize the coach when he can't get his team up to play. Obviously, one of the problems with the Heat is lock of focus and intensity.

 

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Not just on defense... on loose balls...on Lebron waiting for the defender (to get a bail out foul) instead of just yoking on that fast break where Green got him, etc... Sometimes it's just effort plain and simple... like they're just satisfied with getting that one win in SA to get the series back to Miami.

There's no excuse for Danny Green to still be getting so many clean looking threes. He's getting 7-8 good looks per game from three. Again, Green doesnt create off the dribble nor does he get shots of a lot of picks or back greens where their timing based curls with a quick release. He's being left often.

Definitely last night was all about effort for the Heat. Total difference between game 4 and 5.

I can out of the 6 he hit last night 3 were contested. The other 3 were wide open looks. Spo invited this shit with playing small ball. Spurs wasn't on it at first until Pop adjusted to the smaller line up after game 2. I can see Green continuing to play well mainly because he is going to get open looks. Lol, and the Heat is still doubling Parker. I think it does matter at this point. He is doing nothing but inviting the double team.

All about them role players on the Heat for game 6.

I've seen Lebron, Wade, Bosh, etc just drop their shoulders and shrug on those Green 3s..i don't notice it with anything else....but it's like.. not this shit again...it's the feeling when you can't stop something....like they'll go on a quick run..have a chance to get a lead or get it really close and then they're turn it over and Green will drop a 3 (5 or even 6 point swing). That shit kills a team.....but even worse because it's happening several times per game. If Parker does it, you kind of deal with it....but Green dropping 25 and 27 on you hurts... he's neutralizing the efforts of either Wade or Lebron.... there are games where Leonard and Green are playing Wade and Lebron even...