Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

[Simply Sickenin']

Does anyone besides me wish Daenerys would just say fuck Westero and stay in the free cities. I'm not sure how many cities there are across the narrow sea, but she already sacked three of them with relative ease. She took Quarth (sp) with 3 baby dragons and no army. Then she took the city where the unsullied came from without breaking a sweat and took their army to boot.
And the latest city ....

She should just say fuck it and rule over there. The free cities appear to be warmer, more cultural diverse, and super rich. Why go back to that uncomfortable looking chair, in the snowy lands of Westero, and fight for power among notorious lairs and cut throats.

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[geist]

All the bastards were killed to cancel any threat to Joffery title to the iron throne. Cersei knows Baratheon and Lannister children wouldn't all have blonde hair. So if the realm believes Ned's letter Joffery has no claim to the Iron Throne; Gendry has more claim. Plus Robert took the Throne one of his bastards could possibly do the same...eliminate the threat

i agree with you but the debate is could a bastard make a claim. either way makes sense. the reason i agree with the other poster is that stannis didn't seem to care about killing gendry even though he knew he was roberts son. it may have been as the other poster believes and gendry as a bastards is no threat. stannis seems to have wanted to kill him for some type of magical guarantee he would win the war and not because of his birth.

It's easier to legitimize a bastard than you think. All the father has to do is recognize his son and give him his name. A king can also legitimize a bastard.

Not a spoiler, speculation: Robb had a will in the book. Nobody knows what happend to the will or what was written (he knew his days were numbered) In it. It's possible that in his will he legitimizes Jon Snow as Jon Stark.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Well...we'll have to wait and see since she also called Balon Greyjoy + Joffrey Baratheon

Yeah no need to speculate but even if they die I would still give the credit to Tywin since he was plotting and planning how to kill Robb way before those leeches were burned.

The events that unfolded that led to Robb's demise all happened prior to that so I couldn't chalk that one up to magic.

Does anyone besides me wish Daenerys would just say fuck Westero and stay in the free cities. I'm not sure how many cities there are across the narrow sea, but she already sacked three of them with relative ease. She took Quarth (sp) with 3 baby dragons and no army. Then she took the city from the unsullied came from without breaking a sweat and took their army to boot.
And the latest city ....

She should just say fuck it and rule over there. The free cities appear to be warmer, more cultural diverse, and super rich. Why go back to that uncomfortable looking chair, in the snowy lands of Westero, and fight for power among notorious lairs and cut throats.

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In the second season when she took that first city I was thinking there was no way I would have left. Now she's done that shit, what 3 times? I would sit my ass right where the fuck I'm at and live a stress free comfortable life, fuck fighting for a throne made of swords that doesn't have a seat cushion.

It's easier to legitimize a bastard than you think. All the father has to do is recognize his son and give him his name. A king can also legitimize a bastard.

Not a spoiler, speculation: Robb had a will in the book. Nobody knows what happend to the will or what was written (he knew his days were numbered) In it. It's possible that in his will he legitimizes Jon Snow as Jon Stark.

Interesting, that may be their only real hope of regaining any power. Sansa is tied to the Lannisters, Arya is too young and though she may become a great assassin I don't see her becoming a great leader. Bran is crippled and though he may have powers he doesn't seem at this point to have anything that signals he'll be able to lead an army of Men. Rickon...........is Rickon.

John Snow is the only one I could see eventually leading an army of men and being a real threat in terms of restoring the Starks and reclaiming whats theres (or more).

I really get the feeling that the things he's been experiencing are ultimately going to make his a great leader with the ability to lead and bring people together from all walks of life. I think his time in The Watch and with The Wildlings will have prepared him for this. I think he'll see beyond the bullshit divides and see the bigger picture.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

Interesting, that may be their only real hope of regaining any power. Sansa is tied to the Lannisters, Arya is too young and though she may become a great assassin I don't see her becoming a great leader. Bran is crippled and though he may have powers he doesn't seem at this point to have anything that signals he'll be able to lead an army of Men. Rickon...........is Rickon.

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[Give Me 3ft.]

TV MUTHAFUCKIN SHOW RETARD!!!

FUCK MAN!!! STOP THE FAGGOT SHIT!!!

we are discussing TV,TV,TV,TV,TV,TV,TV,TV,TV,TV, not the book!!!!!!!!!!

stop ruining the books for those who have not read, how hard is that?

It's easier to legitimize a bastard than you think. All the father has to do is recognize his son and give him his name. A king can also legitimize a bastard.

Not a spoiler, speculation: Robb had a will in the book. Nobody knows what happend to the will or what was written (he knew his days were numbered) In it. It's possible that in his will he legitimizes Jon Snow as Jon Stark.

 

[bajanbadman]

Interesting, that may be their only real hope of regaining any power. Sansa is tied to the Lannisters, Arya is too young and though she may become a great assassin I don't see her becoming a great leader. Bran is crippled and though he may have powers he doesn't seem at this point to have anything that signals he'll be able to lead an army of Men. Rickon...........is Rickon.

John Snow is the only one I could see eventually leading an army of men and being a real threat in terms of restoring the Starks and reclaiming whats theres (or more).

I really get the feeling that the things he's been experiencing are ultimately going to make his a great leader with the ability to lead and bring people together from all walks of life. I think his time in The Watch and with The Wildlings will have prepared him for this. I think he'll see beyond the bullshit divides and see the bigger picture.

I don't think this story is about the starks and their coming back into power, i think as a strong noble family they are done, they will still be players in the magical story and we can see who overall theme is magic returns to the world, both good and bad. but as house i don't expect a comeback. people are gettign side tracked by the squabbles. the 1st scene of this story was the white walkers, all the fighting for king and revenge stuff is a distraction from them. frankly i think the kaleesi is going to have to come on her dragons to save westros, a few might oppose at first, but when the white walkers turn up they will want her fire

 

[LSN]

A lot of ppl are grooming Jon Snow for greatness...idk tho...this is pure speculation but I see him being an important figure maybe in dealing w/ the white walkers/others or w/e but I don't see him tryna make a bid for the crown...unless he ends up having some mystical power...he's just a mediocre swordsman w/ a really good heart...idk if that's enough...as they are right now...Bran is far more powerful a figure than Jon Snow imo

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

I don't think this story is about the starks and their coming back into power, i think as a strong noble family they are done, they will still be players in the magical story and we can see who overall theme is magic returns to the world, both good and bad. but as house i don't expect a comeback. people are gettign side tracked by the squabbles. the 1st scene of this story was the white walkers, all the fighting for king and revenge stuff is a distraction from them. frankly i think the kaleesi is going to have to come on her dragons to save westros, a few might oppose at first, but when the white walkers turn up they will want her fire

I agree with most of your post.

When I refer to them coming back into power I mean that right now they appear finished. I think at some point Jon Snow will be the one who gets them back to being a powerful family. I think they will come back but I don't think it will be a main story point.

But I agree that the whitewalkers are the biggest danger and that at some point the story will switch from the battle for the crown and to the entire realm being in danger and having to battle (together) for all to survive (which is where I see Jon Snow coming into play and bringing the Starks back to prominence).

A lot of ppl are grooming Jon Snow for greatness...idk tho...this is pure speculation but I see him being an important figure maybe in dealing w/ the white walkers/others or w/e but I don't see him tryna make a bid for the crown...unless he ends up having some mystical power...he's just a mediocre swordsman w/ a really good heart...idk if that's enough...as they are right now...Bran is far more powerful a figure than Jon Snow imo

I think the story of battling white walkers will eventually replace the story of battling for the crown. I think its at this point that Jon Snow will become an important character and become what most think he will

 

[LSN]

I think the story of battling white walkers will eventually replace the story of battling for the crown. I think its at this point that Jon Snow will become an important character and become what most think he will

Restorer of Winterfell? King of the North? I can see that happening...but I've also heard quite a few speculate in this thread about him perhaps being part Targaryan and going up against Dany for the crown...that would be a "romantic" notion but idk...seems too obvious and satisfying

 

[Give Me 3ft.]

story is called fire & ice.

the white walkers have the ice part down.

@ 1st i thought about the starks, being their saying

is winter is coming. the fire part, has to be the dragons.

how the story plays out, ill see.

tend to somewhat agree with bajanbadman.

 

[LSN]

Ya I agree w/ him + outlaw to a degree where all of this we're seeing now is a really great set up to the climactic war (we all know it's coming this is not a spoiler for anyone set to complain about it or information from anywhere...it's just fuckin obvious) between the 7 kingdoms and the white walkers/others...but the story is called A Game of Thrones w/ A Song of Fire & Ice being the subtitle...so we can't ignore the "squabbles" as someone referred to it...but I think the outcome of the war that we all know is coming between the living + the dead will also determine who wins the "game"...right now my bets are on Dany...her story is too damn perfect tho after the shit she been thru early on...doesn't seem typical of the way things generally go for the characters...who knows

story is called fire & ice.

the white walkers have the ice part down.

@ 1st i thought about the starks, being their saying

is winter is coming. the fire part, has to be the dragons.

how the story plays out, ill see.

tend to somewhat agree with bajanbadman.

 

[stretchwallz]

The events that unfolded that led to Robb's demise all happened prior to that so I couldn't chalk that one up to magic.



In the second season when she took that first city I was thinking there was no way I would have left. Now she's done that shit, what 3 times? I would sit my ass right where the fuck I'm at and live a stress free comfortable life, fuck fighting for a throne made of swords that doesn't have a seat cushion.



Interesting, that may be their only real hope of regaining any power. Sansa is tied to the Lannisters, Arya is too young and though she may become a great assassin I don't see her becoming a great leader. Bran is crippled and though he may have powers he doesn't seem at this point to have anything that signals he'll be able to lead an army of Men. Rickon...........is Rickon.

John Snow is the only one I could see eventually leading an army of men and being a real threat in terms of restoring the Starks and reclaiming whats theres (or more).

I really get the feeling that the things he's been experiencing are ultimately going to make his a great leader with the ability to lead and bring people together from all walks of life. I think his time in The Watch and with The Wildlings will have prepared him for this. I think he'll see beyond the bullshit divides and see the bigger picture.

Robb was betrayed, he's like his dad Ned, thinks others live by his code of honor. The Frey's wouldn't have killed him without Tywin. Tywin was able to manipulate Roose Bolton whose family has been at odds with Starks for power of North for 300 years. Roose had a hard time following a kid from the jump, when Robb neglected his war advice he started plotting.


I agree Dany should lay low in Qarth...but she's been filled with ideas of entitlement and legacy her whole life about her family's Kingdom

Ya'll gonna stop disrespecting Rickon he's a wild kid, he's gonna be like his uncle Brandon Stark (Ned's older brother) Fierce and passionate.

Bran will be some type of religious leader or super Maester

Arya will die violently in some odd way

Sansa I see as becoming extremely cruel and paranoid Queen of something...she gonna execute lots of people like the Mad King

Jon I see restoring House Stark and avenging them all

 

[Give Me 3ft.]

fuck it!

off to the books i go.....

 

[bajanbadman]

if there's any hope for the starks as a house it might be in Rickon and that's if they take the story that far. heck as a 3 or 4 yr old he might be the only stark to live

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Robb was betrayed, he's like his dad Ned, thinks others live by his code of honor. The Frey's wouldn't have killed him without Tywin. Tywin was able to manipulate Roose Bolton whose family has been at odds with Starks for power of North for 300 years. Roose had a hard time following a kid from the jump, when Robb neglected his war advice he started plotting.


I agree Dany should lay low in Qarth...but she's been filled with ideas of entitlement and legacy her whole life about her family's Kingdom

Ya'll gonna stop disrespecting Rickon he's a wild kid, he's gonna be like his uncle Brandon Stark (Ned's older brother) Fierce and passionate.

Bran will be some type of religious leader or super Maester

Arya will die violently in some odd way

Sansa I see as becoming extremely cruel and paranoid Queen of something...she gonna execute lots of people like the Mad King

Jon I see restoring House Stark and avenging them all

fuck sansa

 

[shanebp1978]

Does anyone besides me wish Daenerys would just say fuck Westero and stay in the free cities.

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Adorable.

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[BlkStrength]

I see,

So theirs no clear cut reasoning for it.
Here's what prompted the original question: The continual pondering over Who is Jon Snow?

Specifically the possibility of his father being Rheagar Targaryen. If the entire blood-line could resist fire then the scene when Jon Snow saved the commander of the nights watch from the *zombie thing by "grabbing the latern", throwing it and lighting the thing on fire would have been a die give away. Much like when Khalseei grabbed one of the eggs from hot *coal and didn't get burnt, but her lady-servant did. In Jon's case they didn't show his hand, But the sound of burning flesh and groaning sounds of pain suggests that he's not immune, thus not Targaryen Blood-Line?

Maybe at least...

O' and gents recessive alleles can be dominate! It's all a matter of perspective IN REFERENCE to the gene pool. But, I digress...I got your overall meaning

I've heard the "Who is Jon Snow Really" talk before.

We did a rewatch of the first few episodes last week. In the second episode, before Jon went to the Wall, Ned flat out told Jon face to face that Starks have defended the wall for generations and he is a Stark no matter what his name is because he is his son. He said it so definitively that it would be a shock for it to be any different...at least for the tv show.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Restorer of Winterfell? King of the North? I can see that happening...but I've also heard quite a few speculate in this thread about him perhaps being part Targaryan and going up against Dany for the crown...that would be a "romantic" notion but idk...seems too obvious and satisfying

I don't buy him being Targaryan. They've made the same speculations about Tyrion being Targaryan and I don't buy them either.

I do have to say though after watching those comicbookgirl youtube videos that give a history of each house (without any spoilers) I can sort of see the reasoning behind it.

Especially with Tyrion. If anyone may be Targaryan or not really from the family that he's associated with it would be him. Tywin, at two points in this season, said things that after seeing those videos makes me wonder if he believes Tyrion may not in fact be his son. One was when he said to Tyrion "since I can't prove your aren't my son" and the other was their conversation in the season finale when Tywin talked about wanting to kill him but not because he's a Lannister. If you look at that scene again, the way he said it, made me believe that he may have some doubt about Tyrion actually being his son that goes behind just his hatred for Tyrion because of his size and the fact that his mother died giving birth to him.

story is called fire & ice.

the white walkers have the ice part down.

@ 1st i thought about the starks, being their saying

is winter is coming. the fire part, has to be the dragons.

how the story plays out, ill see.

tend to somewhat agree with bajanbadman.

True

Ya I agree w/ him + outlaw to a degree where all of this we're seeing now is a really great set up to the climactic war (we all know it's coming this is not a spoiler for anyone set to complain about it or information from anywhere...it's just fuckin obvious) between the 7 kingdoms and the white walkers/others...but the story is called A Game of Thrones w/ A Song of Fire & Ice being the subtitle...so we can't ignore the "squabbles" as someone referred to it...but I think the outcome of the war that we all know is coming between the living + the dead will also determine who wins the "game"...right now my bets are on Dany...her story is too damn perfect tho after the shit she been thru early on...doesn't seem typical of the way things generally go for the characters...who knows

I don't think the war for the crown will end even when they all have to fight the white walkers. I think there will obviously be individuals who will take advantage of the fact that the white walkers are causing havoc to advance themselves even further in the game.

I don't think Dany is going to win and if she does I don't think it will be that simple. Everything in this story to me seems to go away from the obvious and cheesy shit and in some ways that would be too obvious. Even if she does win I don't think it will be in a way that we think it will happen. I recently read an article where George RR Martin said that the ending to this will be bittersweet no matter how it ends. So that happy, Dany winning the throne with her dragons ending wouldn't fit into that IMO.

My question for anyone who knows about the white walkers is this: Is there any limit to where/and how far they can go or do they only really roam the North? They seem to be creatures that only exist in the cold of the North, could they exist/survive if they traveled further South?

Robb was betrayed, he's like his dad Ned, thinks others live by his code of honor. The Frey's wouldn't have killed him without Tywin. Tywin was able to manipulate Roose Bolton whose family has been at odds with Starks for power of North for 300 years. Roose had a hard time following a kid from the jump, when Robb neglected his war advice he started plotting.


I agree Dany should lay low in Qarth...but she's been filled with ideas of entitlement and legacy her whole life about her family's Kingdom

Ya'll gonna stop disrespecting Rickon he's a wild kid, he's gonna be like his uncle Brandon Stark (Ned's older brother) Fierce and passionate.

Bran will be some type of religious leader or super Maester

Arya will die violently in some odd way

Sansa I see as becoming extremely cruel and paranoid Queen of something...she gonna execute lots of people like the Mad King

Jon I see restoring House Stark and avenging them all

if there's any hope for the starks as a house it might be in Rickon and that's if they take the story that far. heck as a 3 or 4 yr old he might be the only stark to live

I agree that Frey, or Bolton, would haven never made those moves without Tywin.

Rickons story just went as far as it is going to go I guess. Remember Joffreys brother and sister being shipped away for safety by Tyrion? Haven't seen those little bastards since. With him being that young I don't see any development for that character and for all intents and purposes I think we've seen the last of Rickon. He'll only be mentioned from time to time I believe when it serves a purpose.

I don't think Arya will die.

Sansa will be fine now that she has someone as kind, patient, and intelligent as Tyrion to teach her. I think people are really sleeping on her, and also sleeping on the potential her and Tyrion have as a couple. She may be a force to be reckoned with as the story goes along.

I think what Bran will be and can do will be beyond what any of us can imagine (unless they've already covered it in the books in which case all book readers already have imagined it)

As far as revenge I've realized there is no conceivable way the Starks will ever truly be avenged at this point. Too much damage has been done to them and too many people have been involved.

Bran pushed out a window by Jamie at Cercei's urging, Little Finger crossign Ned and setting him up to die, Joffrey going back on the agreement and having Ned beheaded, Walder Frey and Roose Bolton at the Red Wedding and Tywin behind most of it. There will be some revenge but there is no way you can get all those people.

I've heard the "Who is Jon Snow Really" talk before.

We did a rewatch of the first few episodes last week. In the second episode, before Jon went to the Wall, Ned flat out told Jon face to face that Starks have defended the wall for generations and he is a Stark no matter what his name is because he is his son. He said it so definitively that it would be a shock for it to be any different...at least for the tv show.

Totally agree I see no way Jon Snow isn't Ned's actual son. I don't buy him being someone elses son. Who the mother is will obviously be shocking but I believe he's absolutely Ned's son. Plus if he wasn't Ned's son and they were going to reveal that I don't think the author would have written it in a way that it could have been given away to the reader. He would have wanted that shock value.

 

[dawilleyone]

Totally agree I see no way Jon Snow isn't Ned's actual son. I don't buy him being someone elses son. Who the mother is will obviously be shocking but I believe he's absolutely Ned's son. Plus if he wasn't Ned's son and they were going to reveal that I don't think the author would have written it in a way that it could have been given away to the reader. He would have wanted that shock value.

The same scene in season 1 where Ned tells John that he will tell him about his mother he also says the following.

"You may not have my name but you do have my blood"

Now why would he say that he was his blood rather than say that he was his son



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[^SpiderMan^]

In the second season when she took that first city I was thinking there was no way I would have left. Now she's done that shit, what 3 times? I would sit my ass right where the fuck I'm at and live a stress free comfortable life, fuck fighting for a throne made of swords that doesn't have a seat cushion.

I was thinking the same,but most great people are never satisfied.That is why you have College Football coaches that have been successful for years, turn around and try and coach in the NFL.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

The same scene in season 1 where Ned tells John that he will tell him about his mother he also says the following.

"You may not have my name but you do have my blood"

Now why would he say that he was his blood rather than say that he was his son



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Yeah it could be. There are legitimate arguments for it, I've heard even more reasons from people who've read the books but I just don't buy it.

We'll see though. I just think making Jon Snow someone else's son is kind of weak and would do even more damage to the Starks since if Jon Snow isn't his son then there are only four children left, none which would appear to be able to fight for them.

I was thinking the same,but most great people are never satisfied.That is why you have College Football coaches that have been successful for years, turn around and try and coach in the NFL.

Yeah its their gift and curse. Its what makes them great and successful but it is also what destroys them.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Totally agree I see no way Jon Snow isn't Ned's actual son.

I see no way that he is Neds son. Its the only thing im sure of about this shows outcome. Neds entire existence on the show was built around him being an honorable man even to the point of being foolish and naive as opposed to betraying what he thought was right and just. He also seems to take issue with the infidelity of others to some extent or another (robert, jamie, cersei). It just seems as if the writers went to great lengths to give a clear picture of the man he was and i dont see that man having a bastard on his old lady. Obviously i could be wrong, i dont have a fucking clue, but im willing to bet cash money Snow isnt his child.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

I see no way that he is Neds son. Its the only thing im sure of about this shows outcome. Neds entire existence on the show was built around him being an honorable man even to the point of being foolish and naive as opposed to betraying what he thought was right and just. He also seems to take issue with the infidelity of others to some extent or another (robert, jamie, cersei). It just seems as if the writers went to great lengths to give a clear picture of the man he was and i dont see that man having a bastard on his old lady. Obviously i could be wrong, i dont have a fucking clue, but im willing to bet cash money Snow isnt his child.

Like I said it could be but I'm just as passionate as you about him being Ned's son. I have no real reason or valid argument for it but I just don't see Jon being introduced as not only Ned's bastard but to turn out down the line not to be his at all. I just don't see it happening.

One thing I wonder is since the books aren't completed and since there is a lot of speculation on the internet about things like this I wonder if George RR Martin can be influenced to change things based on fans speculation and guesses. Like for example maybe he was going to have Jon Snow be someone else kid but noticed so many fans guessing it and speculating so maybe he would change it. Or maybe he see's some fan ideas that he never thought of and maybe he thinks that could be a better direction to go. I wonder how committed he would be to his original ideas.

Fans of the show and book could unwittingly be helping Martin write these books at this point and not even know it

 

[Amajorfucup]

^^^^^^^^

I think he already has the end game settled Outlaw. Im sure the story is the story. He just has to write it out and fill in the blanks.... But he's human so im sure he is able to be influenced by the opinions of others to some degree. I would guess that the major points are nearly set in stone though.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

^^^^^^^^

I think he already has the end game settled Outlaw. Im sure the story is the story. He just has to write it out and fill in the blanks.... But he's human so im sure he is able to be influenced by the opinions of others to some degree. I would guess that the major points are nearly set in stone though.

Yeah I agree, its just something I've wondered since watching the show and seeing fan speculation.

Supposedly he's already told the producers and writers of the show how it ends and such in case something happens to him so I believe your right.

 

[dawilleyone]

One thing I wonder is since the books aren't completed and since there is a lot of speculation on the internet about things like this I wonder if George RR Martin can be influenced to change things based on fans speculation and guesses. Like for example maybe he was going to have Jon Snow be someone else kid but noticed so many fans guessing it and speculating so maybe he would change it. Or maybe he see's some fan ideas that he never thought of and maybe he thinks that could be a better direction to go. I wonder how committed he would be to his original ideas.

Fans of the show and book could unwittingly be helping Martin write these books at this point and not even know it

I've I thought the same thing for years. The author take so long to write each book that book readers have nothing to do but speculate on the story and.character arcs.

IT'S my theory that the author is seen everybody speculate and guess about what's going to happen at the end that he has probably added some extra characters and plot lines to the later books to make it interesting.



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[Joe Money]

like i said. never outmatched or out classed. tywin is the man.

he just got his life threatened. he wanted to see where arya was with all of that. that's why he gave her the food. see if she hesitated in eating it or not. she didn't he proceeded to talk.

peeped her game from a mile away and respected it and let her continue on.

Never caught that!

...I don't think the war for the crown will end even when they all have to fight the white walkers. I think there will obviously be individuals who will take advantage of the fact that the white walkers are causing havoc to advance themselves even further in the game.

Peter "Littlefinger" Baelish! "Chaos...is a LADDER!"

 

[Star]

Season 4, First Episode
Will have people jumping out of their seats
Will make the Red Wedding look tame
I can not wait to see the YouTube reaction videos

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Season 4, First Episode
Will have people jumping out of their seats
Will make the Red Wedding look tame
I can not wait to see the YouTube reaction videos

I haven't read the books but what makes you think that whatever you think is going to happen will happen in the first episode?

 

[bajanbadman]

My question for anyone who knows about the white walkers is this: Is there any limit to where/and how far they can go or do they only really roam the North? They seem to be creatures that only exist in the cold of the North, could they exist/survive if they traveled further South?

they seem to be creatures of the cold, and winter is coming, so i guess they go as far a winter goes

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

they seem to be creatures of the cold, and winter is coming, so i guess they go as far a winter goes

That's what I'm thinking and if true it gives the Lannisters and the rest of the non northerners a real advantage.

 

[stretchwallz]

I see no way that he is Neds son. Its the only thing im sure of about this shows outcome. Neds entire existence on the show was built around him being an honorable man even to the point of being foolish and naive as opposed to betraying what he thought was right and just. He also seems to take issue with the infidelity of others to some extent or another (robert, jamie, cersei). It just seems as if the writers went to great lengths to give a clear picture of the man he was and i dont see that man having a bastard on his old lady. Obviously i could be wrong, i dont have a fucking clue, but im willing to bet cash money Snow isnt his child.

Agreed...when the show producers went to GRRM about making the show he said they could do it on HBO if they could tell him who was Jon Snows mother. They answered correctly and they talked for the next 3 months about the entire saga...ending included.

I saw that interview before I was into the show but it always lead me to believe something was up with Jon Snows birth

 

[dawilleyone]

I've heard the "Who is Jon Snow Really" talk before.

We did a rewatch of the first few episodes last week. In the second episode, before Jon went to the Wall, Ned flat out told Jon face to face that Starks have defended the wall for generations and he is a Stark no matter what his name is because he is his son. He said it so definitively that it would be a shock for it to be any different...at least for the tv show.

He didn't say what you think he said. Go back and watch it again.

 

[Count23]

they seem to be creatures of the cold, and winter is coming, so i guess they go as far a winter goes

That's what I'm thinking and if true it gives the Lannisters and the rest of the non northerners a real advantage.

Yea but their case, when winter comes, it will cover the whole of westeros and may last for years, even decades.

 

[Count23]

I haven't read the books but what makes you think that whatever you think is going to happen will happen in the first episode?

Don't ask. Seems like he's bursting at the seams ready to spoil...