Star Trek Into Darkness...100% FIRE!!!

its a reboot of the series, I'm sure for fans of the original series they are well familiar with Kahn but anyone who just started to watcht he new movies would have no idea who Kahn is. I'm sure the director could have given us more of a background to the kahn character which could have taken a couple minutes but he didn't. There is no way anyone seeing star trek for the first time can go away thinking Kahn was a bad guy in this

valid point. that is one of my nitpick complaint for this movie. Things keep moving, its one thing after the next. yeah JJ could have put in small flashback scene or when spock mind meld with him during the fight, we could have got some greater insight in to him
 
There is no way anyone seeing star trek for the first time can go away thinking Kahn was a bad guy in this

The Spock to Spock communication, where Spock told Spock, " Khan is the most dangerous, deceptive, deadly enemy the enterprise has ever known! "

A clue.

:dunno:

They still did the Klingons dirty.
 
If it was really a fresh start then you wouldn't have Khan who was in the original series and second movie. The premise is that the universe is an alternate one that is SIMILAR to the original universe.

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Keep in mind that Khan's storyline begins in the late 1990s, BEFORE the alternate (reboot) universe begins with Nero going back in time and destroying the USS Kelvin.
 
Didn't care for it. The director must not be a real Star Trek fan. The whole focus on Uhura really takes away from the movies. Star Trek the series always had the focus on the three friends Kirk, Bones and Spock. Having Spock act like a bitch every time Uhura checks him makes him look weak as hell and move away from him keeping his human side in check. Dude playing Khan was white as white and I couldn't see him as Khan. Didn't work for me.

Even with being logical to the core, you CANNOT exclude the impact on Spock of witnessing the destruction of his ENTIRE planet AND losing his Mother, NO ONE could foresee or tell how much that would affect the individual psyche, look @ how different Kirk is, and he "only" lost his Father!

I remember the "disdain" Picard voiced a few times on how the original Kirk played it fast and easy with the Prime Directive, imagine how he would feel with this one!:smh:
 
Didn't care for it. The director must not be a real Star Trek fan. The whole focus on Uhura really takes away from the movies. Star Trek the series always had the focus on the three friends Kirk, Bones and Spock. Having Spock act like a bitch every time Uhura checks him makes him look weak as hell and move away from him keeping his human side in check. Dude playing Khan was white as white and I couldn't see him as Khan. Didn't work for me.

I was so sick of that shit. They turned Spock into a simp who needed permission to die, risk his life, leave the ship, anything he wanted to do he had to get a OK from Uhura first. I wouldn't be surprised if she dressed and mouth fed him also.
 
its a reboot of the series, I'm sure for fans of the original series they are well familiar with Kahn but anyone who just started to watcht he new movies would have no idea who Kahn is. I'm sure the director could have given us more of a background to the kahn character which could have taken a couple minutes but he didn't. There is no way anyone seeing star trek for the first time can go away thinking Kahn was a bad guy in this


Except you forget that Khan saved that dude's kid but in return forced him to blow himself and everyone else up at the beginning of the movie.
 
Except you forget that Khan saved that dude's kid but in return forced him to blow himself and everyone else up at the beginning of the movie.
Yes because he wanted revenge on the federation, Its like saying in the Matrix the computers are the good guys and the small band of rebel humans are trying to destroy the Matrix are the bad guys. Remember the "good guys" are the ones who win the fight
 
Didn't care for it. The director must not be a real Star Trek fan. The whole focus on Uhura really takes away from the movies. Star Trek the series always had the focus on the three friends Kirk, Bones and Spock. Having Spock act like a bitch every time Uhura checks him makes him look weak as hell and move away from him keeping his human side in check. Dude playing Khan was white as white and I couldn't see him as Khan. Didn't work for me.

Even with being logical to the core, you CANNOT exclude the impact on Spock of witnessing the destruction of his ENTIRE planet AND losing his Mother, NO ONE could foresee or tell how much that would affect the individual psyche, look @ how different Kirk is, and he "only" lost his Father!

I remember the "disdain" Picard voiced a few times on how the original Kirk played it fast and easy with the Prime Directive, imagine how he would feel with this one!:smh:

Two problems with this Khan reboot film and the new take on Spock:

1 The new alternate timeline gives them license to abandon a lot of the original history, canon and backstory which will in turn potentially alienate die hard trekkies and longtime fans

2 The new version also lacks the soul and emotional drama of the original lists of series as well as Gene Roddenberry's philosophical views and questionings and focuses more on fast paced action, special effects and snappy one liners rather than character development and more adult or serious themes and issues. Younger audiences seem to want more action and less thought provoking drama or philosophical discussion.

Interestingly both the Matrix and LOTR masterfully achieved both of those objectives rather than settling for an either or choice between exciting action and special effects combined with deep philosophical themes and issues and deep emotional character development fit for younger audiences and older more cerebral fans and audiences.
 
Two problems with this Khan reboot film and the new take on Spock:

1 The new alternate timeline gives them license to abandon a lot of the original history, canon and backstory which will in turn potentially alienate die hard trekkies and longtime fans

2 The new version also lacks the soul and emotional drama of the original lists of series as well as Gene Roddenberry's philosophical views and questionings and focuses more on fast paced action, special effects and snappy one liners rather than character development and more adult or serious themes and issues. Younger audiences seem to want more action and less thought provoking drama or philosophical discussion.

Interestingly both the Matrix and LOTR masterfully achieved both of those objectives rather than settling for an either or choice between exciting action and special effects combined with deep philosophical themes and issues and deep emotional character development fit for younger audiences and older more cerebral fans and audiences.

While I 100% on character development & the lack thereof, neither "The Matrix" nor "LOTR" have/had a prior following outside of people who read the books, keep in mind that Roddenberry not only had 3 seasons for character development, HE was the one who invented the characters and even they changed, witness the difference in Spock in the pilot episodes vs. the rest of the series, but then again we are talking about a man with an idealistic view of the future, and while I do feel Abrams has touched quite a few of the right chords, he does still have room for improvement, his focus seems to be the ADD young people of today who want to "keep it moving", if you will.
 
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This is the most useless scene in the movie which only purpose was to turn on virgins. They could have dropped this desperate scene and gave us more detail on Khan
 
valid point. that is one of my nitpick complaint for this movie. Things keep moving, its one thing after the next. yeah JJ could have put in small flashback scene or when spock mind meld with him during the fight, we could have got some greater insight in to him

This was my main complaint. If this is a re-boot/altenate univesrse why not show some Khan back story even if it's different from TOS canon.

That whole Spock prime / young Spock conversation was just some lazy screenwriting.

How do we know this guy is bad? oh cause Alternate timeline guy said so. :lol:
 
This was my main complaint. If this is a re-boot/altenate univesrse why not show some Khan back story even if it's different from TOS canon.

That whole Spock prime / young Spock conversation was just some lazy screenwriting.

How do we know this guy is bad? oh cause Alternate timeline guy said so. :lol:

c/s
 
While I 100% on character development & the lack thereof, neither "The Matrix" nor "LOTR" have/had a prior following outside of people who read the books, keep in mind that Roddenberry not only had 3 seasons for character development, HE was the one who invented the characters and even they changed, witness the difference in Spock in the pilot episodes vs. the rest of the series, but then again we are talking about a man with an idealistic view of the future, and while I do feel Abrams has touched quite a few of the right chords, he does still have room for improvement, his focus seems to be the ADD young people of today who want to "keep it moving", if you will.

Good points except the Roddenberry comment. He had lots of studio pressures, network pressures, format restraints of 60s episodic television. There were a few initial changes from the pilot but they added more depth to the characters and not less while sticking to the spirit of the original premise. The Amok Time episode on Spock's home planet was another example of successfully delving deeper into the backstory of a character.

True a movie is only a couple hours but other films have done plenty with that.

Matrix and LOTR didn't need a back history for the fans. They created those worlds masterfully and thoroughly. Anytime you mess with an existing story or artwork with your interpretation fictional or non fictional your biggest concern should be faithfulness to the original. Ask Peter Jackson about that.

If you want to update it and yet stay faithful cool. Go deeper into the characters and their worlds. That's the main difference between novels and short stories.

Don't get me wrong. I liked the film as an action fan but as a Star Trek fan I also gotta keep it real.
 
good straight forward action flick...dude that played spock killed it once again...only complaint was the dude w/ the lousy ass russian accent...it's amazing that I've never seen a full ep of star trek but seen enough pieces of eps here and there to pick up on all the subtle allusions and shit...good flick
 
I didn't even see this shit...bitch ugly in the face to me anyway...was watching the flick like damn h'wood gonna act like this cracked lip whore is hot...and I like white bitches too...that woulda been the best frame of her thru out the damn flick

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This is the most useless scene in the movie which only purpose was to turn on virgins. They could have dropped this desperate scene and gave us more detail on Khan
 
this film was far too simple to be debating anything...I guess it's "trekkies" vs regular movie watchers
 
There is no way anyone seeing star trek for the first time can go away thinking Kahn was a bad guy in this

I didn't until he purposely crashed that ship into hq in the movie + before that he fired on the enterprise after making that deal w/ spock...and I had no idea who khan was in the series prior to this flick outside of that famous scream that kirk gave
 
damn dude...just copy + paste and can barely spell author...I'm not even gonna read all this shit

Me and the arthur for this sees almost eye here on the movie
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/62477

Harry dives into STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS' spoilers to reveal the truth behind the blockbuster we're seeing!

For me, STAR TREK has always been a forward view of The United States’ ideal of Democracy in the future. That what we are all a part of right now, that it continues, that it perseveres. I’m not the first to say something along these lines. Romulans could be read as being the Russians of the old Soviet Union – and on Classic Trek – the big 3… STARFLEET, ROMULAN & KLINGON EMPIRES were all fairly evenly matched. Although, those Romulans and Klingons had developed stealth technologies which could give them first strike potential always. They conquered planets and made use of their resources… whereas we invited alien cultures, when mature enough, to join our happy growing collective of cultures, where we would share our advancements and begin to learn from these beings. The Enterprise’s 5 year mission that we saw 3 seasons of was entrenched in the idealism of the 1960s. …well things are different in JJ’s verse.

The first film saw a 9/11 shock and awe attack upon Vulcan that resulted in it’s complete annihilation. The attack also targeted Earth… In addition, that very first attack – it took Kirk’s father – a father that in our beloved Trekverse, lived and served as a constant inspiration for Kirk. In JJ’s, ol Tiberius has the swagger and the libido of Shatner’s Kirk, but he isn’t prone to preach the ideals of Starfleet. Instead, he’s raised with at least one step-father that he has zero respect for – and is prone to reckless adrenaline rushes. Shatner’s Kirk was an adventurer at heart, marveling at the infinite variety of civilizations out there around the stars. We can see some of that with Pine’s Kirk – he’s anxious to get way out there, but he hasn’t believed in Starfleet for most of his life.

Now – is this Starfleet still based on the idealism of the 1960’s America? No. With STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS, the Darkness of the film isn’t Khan. It isn’t the Klingons or the Romulans, it’s the Darkness that has infected policy in STARFLEET. In other words, this is a metaphor for a Post-9/11 America. In JJ’s Verse, he has a Kirk that doesn’t yet value the core beliefs of STARFLEET… Meanwhile, the rest of his crew… good souls like Spock and Scotty… They raise these issues with Kirk, but Kirk doesn’t want to hear it. He’s us. Kirk has always been us. But just like Kirk, we’ve changed.

Vengeance has become something our Country seeks. Since 9/11 – we have adjusted our core beliefs and laws to make things more convenient for a government that has been given a license to seek vengeance and protect us at all costs.

These first two STAR TREK movies of JJ Abrams – have been about teaching us a lesson through the use of our heroes. For me, that is absolutely the right thing to do, especially when the sitting President of the United States purports to be a Star Trek geek. Watching Scotty resign from the Enterprise filled me with pride. Hearing Spock trying to talk Kirk out of the assassination mission that he has been sent upon… again, outstanding. Then – when Kirk is faced with telling the crew what their mission is… he can’t bring himself to state what he was assigned to do, instead – what comes out of his mouth is the CORRECT ACTION.

STARFLEET DOES NOT EXECUTE WITHOUT A TRIAL.

The United States shouldn’t either.

This STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS is about the very basis of what a democracy should be built upon. To serve as a reminder of what STAR TREK really meant, what we’re supposed to be not on our BEST day but on our WORST.

How far STARFLEET has gone is so far, that for a bit… Khan and Kirk are united in a fight against a monster of a ship called VENGEANCE helmed by Peter Weller’s Admiral Marcus – the man in charge of Starfleet – whose personal fear has hijacked this great institution. The invention of stealth, long-range photon torpedoes that can be fired from a great distance… sounds like DRONE technology. And when Spock and Scotty speak out against the use of that tech, that’s a conversation that we as a people are currently having.

We as a people are better than who we are right now, if we stop and think about the toll our post-9/11 policies have taken upon the character of our great nation. Remember, Shatner’s Kirk… at the end of SPACE SEED, set Khan and his people to live upon a planet where they would have a chance to live their dream.

In this post-Vulcan Starfleet, Khan was found. The rest of his crew were kept on ICE and he was evaluated and used to nefarious ends by a perversion of our Government. You could go so far as to say Khan is Bin Laden, an enemy that we once used for our own purposes against a common enemy, the Russians/Klingons here. When that partnership ended, and suddenly Starfleet comes under attack, he’s quickly assigned blame and eventually a mission is drawn up to assassinate him so he won’t talk. What KHAN has to say is something that Peter Weller’s Admiral can not allow to happen, because that story is a story that the people can’t be allowed to hear.

This is a very political film. Moreso than I ever anticipated going in. To take the KHAN story – and to use it in this mindset… I kinda love. Why? Because using science fiction to remind us of our own values… it’s a positive in my mind. It’s what I loved about DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL by Robert Wise – and using the characters of STAR TREK… the characters which have come to symbolize the ego projection of our country into a space faring future… and to watch how Kirk and his crew would react to the very same orders and ordinance that we as a country are using in our own Reactionary Foreign & Domestic policies… well, good on them.

I can see why this version of STAR TREK appeals to JJ Abrams. He’s long said he wasn’t a fan of the Classic STAR TREK, until he became a director on this series – and I believe him. I’m sure one of the things that had to frustrate him is how dated to the sixties the series was. They’re fantastic stories, but they come from that era. JJ wanted the ability to base his STAR TREK from imagining the future from what we know of technology and science today, not just that, but to then use STAR TREK as a mirror to what we’ve become as a country today. To have us ask these questions and see Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty and even KHAN deal with them. I love it.

At the same time to comment on the concept of time travel and how it can try to change an entire timeline – there is an inevitability to destiny. Kirk, Spock, Carole Marcus and Khan… they’re meant to play out a scenario – that I think still preemptively takes Kirk’s son’s life. Think about what Carole’s injury might have affected. Khan punted her lower abdomen and the way she was holding herself really did seem to indicate internal damage. It is possible that she might not be able to have children after that… thus she becomes a part of the larger story of Kirk’s life, because a child will not be raised in his. Perhaps I’ve gone utterly insane, but I do believe that’s there.

Kirk’s speech at the end is Kirk asking us about our own core beliefs that we’ve sacrificed for fear. The big message is over. Now it’s time to Boldly Go.

I hope that JJ and his team get to do a third film. I think the rather constant questions about Khan – made them have to go here for this story, and I like that they played with the character instead of the Icon. Pine isn’t doing Shatner and Cumberbatch is certainly not doing Ricardo Montalban – something that no actor can do. Instead, he is playing a genetic superhuman with a superior intellect. Khan is helping to remind Kirk that to question unjust orders and to put the question in his mind… I LOVE IT! Because folks… KHAN isn’t the bad guy here – and Khan never was! That’s what is great about KHAN!

KHAN had righteous indignation. He was a leader of a group of people that wanted to seize their own destiny. He has been defrosted for some time before the events of this film. I mean, he’s designed weapons, improved warp capabilities… I love this alternate time line for Khan. The notion that he has been working with Starfleet in the guise of a John Harrison… for years, he would have studied Starfleet inside and out. That’s how he appeals to Kirk in this film. He recognizes an idealist when he sees one – and if Khan had studied Starfleet, he would have admired their ideals – even if his experience under the thumb of Admiral Marcus would’ve revealed what it did.

Khan’s endgame of designing a military vessel that he would ultimately take over, and fit with his people… I can’t even imagine what Khan with that sort of firepower – and realize – we never really did see what that big thing opening up was about to do.

Realize, Kirk could have all those Khan-sicles on the Enterprise as they set out on their 5 year mission – and who knows – perhaps they’ll check out Seti Alpha V and defrost Khan and his people in the pre-opening credits of STAR TREK WAY OUT THERE, before beginning the real mission on whatever other planet they go adventuring upon.

That way when Cumberbatch is like in his 50’s and this crew has gotten toupees and facelifts, we can see what the future of these characters that met this way would end things. But, that should be at least 25 years from now.

As for seeing all the tech that’s introduced here as a bad thing. I do not. Right now – NASA and other Science Folks are talking about sending 3D Printers to places to set about Building bases. In advance of ships. As advancements in programmable matter and molecular builders… we’re beginning to see and understand some of the tech needed to BEAM stuff places, we can also imagine beaming us places, and the limitations of being in orbit – is kind of silly. I think forward projecting transwarp beaming of supplies and personnel is actually wonderful, because we should be thinking about how Spaceships aren’t the only way theoretically possible to get places. Just as beaming from a ship didn’t completely replace having shuttles on the Original Enterprise – the reason you still need ships for exploring is… Well, the Enterprise’s mission at the end is to go places they’ve never gone before. Which means uncharted space – and you don’t go beaming off to places ain’t nobody ever seen before. You go with a ship, filled with the sorts of explorers that will tell people back home if there’s anything to see here. What this means is the expansion of STARFLEET will accelerate in the wake a Starship’s exploration. As they discover planets of interest, you could visit the planet on impulse – something absolutely wonderful in my mind. The science is definitely fiction at this point, but what a helluva dream to shoot for. It absolutely changes things, but I’m interested in stories that are pushing the possibilities of far reaching theoretical science. Something that STAR TREK did all those years ago – and is bringing up for discussion today. Same with the magical Khan blood. As we begin to explore what genetic engineering could possibly mean – super healing is something that in 400 years – unless outlawed and deemed unethical – would be a very likely scenario. Like those girls with tails – they could be alien, or earth girls gone crazy.

This STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS feels like an impassioned plea for sanity, all while seeming to most to be a mindless visual spectacle, but it is anything but. For me, the one scene that I would question is the Khan & Spock fight. Not how Spock could go toe to toe with a Superhuman, in case you didn’t know, Spock isn’t entirely human and has been seen bending steel and breaking stone with his enhanced strength. No, I accept that Khan & Spock is a good fight – No, my problem is that Spock didn’t use the fact that Khan’s people were safe and alive upon his ship to stop Khan. I get that SPOCK was in the throes of irresistible impulse driven by the emotion that he allowed to flood his actions… But when he mind melded briefly with Khan, I would have LOVED for Khan to suddenly realize his psychopathic insanity and turn himself in. If only because it would show off Spock’s abilities, but also Khan’s superior intellect.

As I’ve said, I’ve seen it twice – and I absolutely love it. I’ve seen people that look at this film and seem to think it is a more dire future, than the hopeful vision of Roddenberry, but for me… Roddenberry’s characters are resilient – and when faced with issues that are plaguing our own time, they do the right thing. Just as we should.

If you think I’m coming out of left field with this 9/11 stuff, read who the film is dedicated to in the end credits. This is a thoroughly modern riff on Trek. For me, I’m on board as long as they keep them coming. As Kirk said to McCoy, “Enough with the metaphors already!” Let’s Boldly Go Where Star Trek has never gone before – and blow us the hell away. We’ve never had a Classic Trek away mission scenario for a feature yet – and with the world building visual effects we have today – we could do one that is so much more majestic and involving. No need to mine the past, create a future for STAR TREK – that makes us dare to dream of the possibilities out there and how wondrous they can be. That’s not a complaint about this film or the previous, just a hope I have on where to go from here.

STAR TREK doesn’t have to have space battles. It can and should be so much more. To use that action as a reflection upon our own society, well that should be applauded – and let’s hope that when Obama watches, that he actually sees the message in this film – and isn’t blinded by the whiz bang of it all. If it works, it could be the most important summer blockbuster we’ve had. After all, the policies this film is attacking are policies that both political parties have put into place and have been working with. Could STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS make a difference, I hope so. But then, I’m a geek that perhaps dreams too much.
 
Stop going to films in the hood or near the hood. I learned my lesson years ago. Now I go to a better theater that has a dress code, requires 21 or older after 8pm, and has reserved seating arrangements.

this ass smmfh
 
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