HipHop Is White Now-Scarface interview
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what would that solve? Did you learn anything from the Krs vs Nslly fued?
my dude i wish none of the shit i typed was true
the industry has definitely matured. the industry is the only part that's matured. it went from watching rap become a scary ass (scary to dwight) worldwide phenomenon that was sharing more of the untold black story than they knew how to handle...to controlling the entire hip hop landscape, the message, the face, damn near everything.
it was the artists that didn't mature. didn't learn the business, didn't come together to build their own version of the industry. i don't even know how much you can blame them either, because you know every attempt was subverted. everyone got bought and those who couldn't be were marginalized or phased out.
well lets be honest in our look at history..
the reality is while you learn from the past sometimes that isn't enough..
Rap music looks the way it looks for a LOT of reasons and one of them is theres no real example of a black industry pooling together to control its product in US history to take an example from. Particularly in the entertainment industry.
But the reality is there are more rich and powerful (relatively speaking) black people in the entertainment industry today than theres EVER been since theres been an entertainment industry in this country!...think about that for a second.
Progress has been made..it may not be as fast or look like the thing we imagine but it IS happening. Unfortunately there is no positive examples of the past for todays entertainers to look at and say "THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT" All we have to look at is how it was done in the past and screwed up it was for the people dealing with it.
The industry has not matured because the we, the producers have not matured. Theres a reason why that artist is willing to sacrifice his "beliefs" for the greater buck. It is the very same reason why black "wealth" is every thing but wealth.
More ants sharing more crumbs is the problem.
i italicized industry to illustrate the difference between those that run it and those that are run by it.
we agree.
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So when rappers start down that road of europeans running rap, they need to remember all small businesses with bad owners will always be taken over by a larger enterprise. and if you dont get bought out, either you're the big bad enterprise or your business model has little economic value.
No way hip-hop will suffer the same fate as rock and blues as far as who the face is.
If so it's our fault cuz these so called balling rappers stay selling out.
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If so it's our fault cuz these so called balling rappers stay selling out.
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Scarface is correct... The problem is money! Anything that makes money CACs swoop in like a shark on blood. If music about beating a old white ladies up sold; some CACs would buy out all the labels and artists and change it to beating old black women up. Black American's suffer from collective amnesia when it comes to whites intent. When NWA went to #1 with no radio play or promotion in 90 it was OVER the next 5 years the artform suffered into everyone is a gangsta rapper moniker. All chains aren't steel, some are made of currency
My grandfather said the negro league selling its players to MLB was a tragedy, told me it killed thousands of jobs and black owned and controlled economy. Same process different industry...Bob Johnson sold B.E.T to Viacom...we create a product, profit, impose our culture, then sell it to a well documented enemy? Rock and Roll, Blues and now Hip-Hop
The face of hip hop is white now! Macklemore went to #1 on hip-hop charts with ZERO Urban or mixshow airplay (first artist to ever accomplish that) Justin Timberlake went to #1 on Urban charts before he went #10 on pop or rhythmic charts (first white artist to ever do that) I've worked in radio since 95 and the takeover is almost complete.
The credit and legacy of hip-hop has been stolen and the black hip-hop artists now are cartoon-ish at best and thrive at our displaying our shortcomings to a beat for CACs to mock. Where is the Meth rap? that drug is ripping through the white world. Where is the shoot up a public place rap? that's how the white youth get down.
If you hear any good hip-hop in 2013 you had to find it, if it's marketed or promoted it has an insidious agenda. Sadly no one will listen to Face and people will bump 2Chainz and Drake...shameful
<<<<< On point.Hip Hop has been co-opted in terms of who controls its image and how that gets out since the mid 80s. But the ONLY reason you don't see more white faces in rap music like you did with rock and roll and jazz and blues is because of advanced media technology. Back in the 30s 40s and 50s the second a black artist or music form was proven to be popular with white youth it was covered by a white copy cat.
Nearly ALL of Little Richards biggest hits were covered and copied by the likes of Pat Boone who owes MUCH of his celebrity and fame to Richards music. The same with Chuck Berry and Jerry Lee Lewis while Lewis didn't cover his songs he copied his showmanship and stage energy. And you see this repeated again and again with rock and roll and blues and jazz. And the reason it was so easy to replace black artists with white copies was because few people had TVs and no blacks had control or sway in films the two main visual mediums that people got their news, entertainment and information. Radio was easily manipulated thru payola.
Until you get to the 1980s and rap music.
By that time the landscape of television, films and radio had shifted dramatically. More people had access to TVs, Blacks had some pull in films particularly due to the blaxploition era and radio was dominated with upstart black labels like Motown and Stax rocords. It was harder to introduce white covers to replace black artist. Not that it ceased to happen we still saw and see white counterparts to black music.
The Jackson 5 - The Osmonds
New Edition - New Kids On The Block
Early dance pop solo success Janet Jackson - Tiffany and Debbie Gibson much later Britney Spears
But rap music was different it was too urban driven, too male oriented, too Black. It relied to heavily on sampling already exiting music as a backdrop for the vocals. It had simple rhyming lyrics and was basically talking in syncopation over a beat. Something any amatuer songwriter should be able to do. And because of that it was dismissed as a fad. But its popularity continued to grew in the urban areas despite the brush off from the older generations and by the mid 80s its commercial appeal could no longer be denied. But by that time everyone had at least 3 TVs in their house. And black radio was in integral part of the community so it was impossible to pass off white copies for the original artists. Not in the larger nearly 1 for 1 scale that was done with rock and blues and jazz. As a result rap has been able to retain its, for lack of a better term, Black face much longer than other black created musics before it. If rap had come out in the 50s it would be be all white by now.
But the black community still doesn't control distribution. That network is still controlled overwhelmingly by white men and thats how rap gets seen and heard thru out the world and its the backdoor way the music been co-opted.
Early on people like Lyor Cohen had and have positioned themselves as gatekeepers in what gets thru to the mainstream. And as a result control how the music is perceived by not just the mainstream (read white people) but by the world. Rap music and hip hop culture is damn near 40 years old now and so far in the last 15-20 years have we seen only a hand full of white artists come along and garner the kind of high profile and respect (in a few cases higher) that Black artists have. In 40 years time the look of rock and roll had completely shifted from the 40s to the 80s.
Back in the day it was important to have white faces doing the black music for social/racial reasons and it still continues today, look at the Justins for examples (Beiber and Timberlake) but because there have been real shifts in social attitudes and more importantly real technological shifts, rap music will continue to be Black male dominated in terms of its optics but as long as whites control the distribution they don't need to replace every black artist with white ones. The money and power still all goes to one source and thats NOT to the people who created the music.
Facemob is right about what he said in the video, but he kind of miss the big point which is holding accountability to black artist. He says that white executive control so much, but I bet if you told a rapper to sing about gay issues for extra loot, that rapper wouldn't do it. But on the other hand you can easily convince a rapper to degrade sistas or talking about killing other blacks easily. It's a moral thing so can we really put all the blame on white executives? Rappers control what is in a song. And who are we kidding here. Scarface has been putting out negative shit in our community also. Hell he named himself after fictional drug dealer.
Artist you tell stories during a rhyme. Now you have cats like Rick Ross that sound exactly like the same song every time. He says the exact same thing in each verse, just on a different track.
Face be so high... and late. HE was a president of a label. What 75 yr old white guys he talking about?
Tha ones that are above him.
If you saw tha episode of MTV Diary with Jay-Z when tha Blue Print was about to come out then you would understand what hes saying.
He had to sit in a room with old ass cacs men and women to see if they approved of tha album.
you gotta know better than this fam
Tha ones that are above him.
If you saw tha episode of MTV Diary with Jay-Z when tha Blue Print was about to come out then you would understand what hes saying.
He had to sit in a room with old ass cacs men and women to see if they approved of tha album.
no he didn't. That was a store presentation at best buy.
You niggas love to shirk responsibility.
Tha ones that are above him.
If you saw tha episode of MTV Diary with Jay-Z when tha Blue Print was about to come out then you would understand what hes saying.
He had to sit in a room with old ass cacs men and women to see if they approved of tha album.
Do you have a video link to this said scene? Some folks have to see it to believe it...!
Nah Exiled was right.I was going off memory from when I saw it when it 1st aired early 2000s and was incorrect.But that doesn't negate what face said since hes been a top level employee at a record label with decades of industry experience.
Word!
and he gets on youtube like so many others, and doesn't name one name?
Oh yeah, we forget, he'll get killed for that right?
But wait, I thought gangsters aren't scared of death.
seems very courageous right here when he's talking shit about some rap beef with another black man.
EXPOSED Lil Troy for being a snitch. OOOO! Courageous!
But when it comes to specific names of people who are ruining his beloved culture?
crickets
not one name. Not even a hint. And he even says he intends to be very disrespectful, but the most you get is empty words.
Everything he said about whites and white jews controlling the industry is 110% on point.
distributors..
Sony BMG
Warner Music Group
Live Nation
Universal Music Distribution
I challenge you to find one black man in a key position in any of those conglomerates..
But it is
Niggas don't buy records, buy concert tickets, none of that but expect these dudes to turn this cash away?
We talking millions or hundreds of thousands of dollars here that they won't make doing shit else
I can't be mad at the artist but the system
Got to direct the hate in the right place
face bread comes from them same sources, he as much a victim as everyone else.
the first muhfucka to speak out will be someone who doesn't depend on any of the people he's coming out against for bread.
find me one artist who simultaneously can not be crushed by those in power and still reach the masses with their message enough to affect change
same crickets
they CONTROL shit. i'm no defeatist, so i won't say it's just how it's destined to be. but it's a lil more complicated than you're inferring.
Another one! V-nasty who said ****** on wax more times than Richard Pryor
According to the people over at Hip Hop DX, former “White Girl Mob” member V-Nasty has signed a deal with Las Vegas based Pinnacle Records for a $750,000/three year deal. Name a non-white female rapper outside of Nicki Minaj?
According to the people over at Hip Hop DX, former “White Girl Mob” member V-Nasty has signed a deal with Las Vegas based Pinnacle Records for a $750,000/three year deal. Name a non-white female rapper outside of Nicki Minaj?
Scarface murdered this shit.
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