I never understood how old ass 70 year old white people can dictate what is hot or not in a culture they know nothing about.
HipHop Is White Now-Scarface interview
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That man knows what he talking about
And Oooooh yeah he's the GOAT
And Oooooh yeah he's the GOAT
'face went off in the 1st half of that joint on - dope interview<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/cSmgxkyBHoQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Face putting it down though. Dude had me chuckling talking about those 75 year old white Jews at the head of these major labels.
This......
it's fucking common sense. 
they who have the gold ....
they who have the gold ....
now the question is: what are ninjas gonna do about it?
and the answer is: nothing.
Face speaking that real shit
Anyone with common sense can see what's going on
Fuck these CACs and Jews man
Anyone with common sense can see what's going on
Fuck these CACs and Jews man
Scarface is correct... The problem is money! Anything that makes money CACs swoop in like a shark on blood. If music about beating a old white ladies up sold; some CACs would buy out all the labels and artists and change it to beating old black women up. Black American's suffer from collective amnesia when it comes to whites intent. When NWA went to #1 with no radio play or promotion in 90 it was OVER the next 5 years the artform suffered into everyone is a gangsta rapper moniker. All chains aren't steel, some are made of currency
My grandfather said the negro league selling its players to MLB was a tragedy, told me it killed thousands of jobs and black owned and controlled economy. Same process different industry...Bob Johnson sold B.E.T to Viacom...we create a product, profit, impose our culture, then sell it to a well documented enemy? Rock and Roll, Blues and now Hip-Hop
The face of hip hop is white now! Macklemore went to #1 on hip-hop charts with ZERO Urban or mixshow airplay (first artist to ever accomplish that) Justin Timberlake went to #1 on Urban charts before he went #10 on pop or rhythmic charts (first white artist to ever do that) I've worked in radio since 95 and the takeover is almost complete.
The credit and legacy of hip-hop has been stolen and the black hip-hop artists now are cartoon-ish at best and thrive at our displaying our shortcomings to a beat for CACs to mock. Where is the Meth rap? that drug is ripping through the white world. Where is the shoot up a public place rap? that's how the white youth get down.
If you hear any good hip-hop in 2013 you had to find it, if it's marketed or promoted it has an insidious agenda. Sadly no one will listen to Face and people will bump 2Chainz and Drake...shameful
My grandfather said the negro league selling its players to MLB was a tragedy, told me it killed thousands of jobs and black owned and controlled economy. Same process different industry...Bob Johnson sold B.E.T to Viacom...we create a product, profit, impose our culture, then sell it to a well documented enemy? Rock and Roll, Blues and now Hip-Hop
The face of hip hop is white now! Macklemore went to #1 on hip-hop charts with ZERO Urban or mixshow airplay (first artist to ever accomplish that) Justin Timberlake went to #1 on Urban charts before he went #10 on pop or rhythmic charts (first white artist to ever do that) I've worked in radio since 95 and the takeover is almost complete.
The credit and legacy of hip-hop has been stolen and the black hip-hop artists now are cartoon-ish at best and thrive at our displaying our shortcomings to a beat for CACs to mock. Where is the Meth rap? that drug is ripping through the white world. Where is the shoot up a public place rap? that's how the white youth get down.
If you hear any good hip-hop in 2013 you had to find it, if it's marketed or promoted it has an insidious agenda. Sadly no one will listen to Face and people will bump 2Chainz and Drake...shameful
Scarface is real.
Props to the OP for posting the knowledge.
Props to the OP for posting the knowledge.
Real Talk from the G.O.A.T. on my list
"Hip Hop will be like Rock & Roll, Rock was started by blacks & now it's no more blacks in Rock"
last time he saw 2pac was when they recorded "Smile"
only positive thing he had to say about today's Hip Hop is that he loves Kendrick Lamar = I agree with that
HTown stand up
"Hip Hop will be like Rock & Roll, Rock was started by blacks & now it's no more blacks in Rock"
last time he saw 2pac was when they recorded "Smile"
only positive thing he had to say about today's Hip Hop is that he loves Kendrick Lamar = I agree with that
HTown stand up
yep
Brother i agree 100 % with what u spoke.
Scarface is correct... The problem is money! Anything that makes money CACs swoop in like a shark on blood. If music about beating a old white ladies up sold; some CACs would buy out all the labels and artists and change it to beating old black women up. Black American's suffer from collective amnesia when it comes to whites intent. When NWA went to #1 with no radio play or promotion in 90 it was OVER the next 5 years the artform suffered into everyone is a gangsta rapper moniker. All chains aren't steel, some are made of currency
My grandfather said the negro league selling its players to MLB was a tragedy, told me it killed thousands of jobs and black owned and controlled economy. Same process different industry...Bob Johnson sold B.E.T to Viacom...we create a product, profit, impose our culture, then sell it to a well documented enemy? Rock and Roll, Blues and now Hip-Hop
The face of hip hop is white now! Macklemore went to #1 on hip-hop charts with ZERO Urban or mixshow airplay (first artist to ever accomplish that) Justin Timberlake went to #1 on Urban charts before he went #10 on pop or rhythmic charts (first white artist to ever do that) I've worked in radio since 95 and the takeover is almost complete.
The credit and legacy of hip-hop has been stolen and the black hip-hop artists now are cartoon-ish at best and thrive at our displaying our shortcomings to a beat for CACs to mock. Where is the Meth rap? that drug is ripping through the white world. Where is the shoot up a public place rap? that's how the white youth get down.
If you hear any good hip-hop in 2013 you had to find it, if it's marketed or promoted it has an insidious agenda. Sadly no one will listen to Face and people will bump 2Chainz and Drake...shameful
u make alot of good points and comin from someone whos worked in radio, i think u see it closer than most too, but i realy dont feel hiphop will ever b white ,i just think the white saviors will always sell ,becos the numbers game dictate white people r still majority in this country and as always they will support a halfbaked white artist (no need for examples ,well know enuff of those)cos of the self projection mental thing ,but hiphop will always be black and the division will b created where the streetz will have their own reality then everyone else will and the issue of authenticity will always persist and balance it out!
Sadly.
man i never thought about that
this strong desire to integrate has been our downfall
now look at these pro leagues, predominately black but the dollars goes to the white economy
Good interview. When hementioned SPice that brought back memories. I used to ride to that dude. I wonder what happened with him.
Stolen?! Hell, I'd say it was given away. All for a buck.
The Fix was one of the most slept on albums. Had tracks by Kanye & the neptunes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fix_(album)
to the OP, thanks for taking me back, I been jamming old 'Face songs for the last hour
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fix_(album)
to the OP, thanks for taking me back, I been jamming old 'Face songs for the last hour
Hip Hop has been co-opted in terms of who controls its image and how that gets out since the mid 80s. But the ONLY reason you don't see more white faces in rap music like you did with rock and roll and jazz and blues is because of advanced media technology. Back in the 30s 40s and 50s the second a black artist or music form was proven to be popular with white youth it was covered by a white copy cat.
Nearly ALL of Little Richards biggest hits were covered and copied by the likes of Pat Boone who owes MUCH of his celebrity and fame to Richards music. The same with Chuck Berry and Jerry Lee Lewis while Lewis didn't cover his songs he copied his showmanship and stage energy. And you see this repeated again and again with rock and roll and blues and jazz. And the reason it was so easy to replace black artists with white copies was because few people had TVs and no blacks had control or sway in films the two main visual mediums that people got their news, entertainment and information. Radio was easily manipulated thru payola.
Until you get to the 1980s and rap music.
By that time the landscape of television, films and radio had shifted dramatically. More people had access to TVs, Blacks had some pull in films particularly due to the blaxploition era and radio was dominated with upstart black labels like Motown and Stax rocords. It was harder to introduce white covers to replace black artist. Not that it ceased to happen we still saw and see white counterparts to black music.
The Jackson 5 - The Osmonds
New Edition - New Kids On The Block
Early dance pop solo success Janet Jackson - Tiffany and Debbie Gibson much later Britney Spears
But rap music was different it was too urban driven, too male oriented, too Black. It relied to heavily on sampling already exiting music as a backdrop for the vocals. It had simple rhyming lyrics and was basically talking in syncopation over a beat. Something any amatuer songwriter should be able to do. And because of that it was dismissed as a fad. But its popularity continued to grew in the urban areas despite the brush off from the older generations and by the mid 80s its commercial appeal could no longer be denied. But by that time everyone had at least 3 TVs in their house. And black radio was in integral part of the community so it was impossible to pass off white copies for the original artists. Not in the larger nearly 1 for 1 scale that was done with rock and blues and jazz. As a result rap has been able to retain its, for lack of a better term, Black face much longer than other black created musics before it. If rap had come out in the 50s it would be be all white by now.
But the black community still doesn't control distribution. That network is still controlled overwhelmingly by white men and thats how rap gets seen and heard thru out the world and its the backdoor way the music been co-opted.
Early on people like Lyor Cohen had and have positioned themselves as gatekeepers in what gets thru to the mainstream. And as a result control how the music is perceived by not just the mainstream (read white people) but by the world. Rap music and hip hop culture is damn near 40 years old now and so far in the last 15-20 years have we seen only a hand full of white artists come along and garner the kind of high profile and respect (in a few cases higher) that Black artists have. In 40 years time the look of rock and roll had completely shifted from the 40s to the 80s.
Back in the day it was important to have white faces doing the black music for social/racial reasons and it still continues today, look at the Justins for examples (Beiber and Timberlake) but because there have been real shifts in social attitudes and more importantly real technological shifts, rap music will continue to be Black male dominated in terms of its optics but as long as whites control the distribution they don't need to replace every black artist with white ones. The money and power still all goes to one source and thats NOT to the people who created the music.
Nearly ALL of Little Richards biggest hits were covered and copied by the likes of Pat Boone who owes MUCH of his celebrity and fame to Richards music. The same with Chuck Berry and Jerry Lee Lewis while Lewis didn't cover his songs he copied his showmanship and stage energy. And you see this repeated again and again with rock and roll and blues and jazz. And the reason it was so easy to replace black artists with white copies was because few people had TVs and no blacks had control or sway in films the two main visual mediums that people got their news, entertainment and information. Radio was easily manipulated thru payola.
Until you get to the 1980s and rap music.
By that time the landscape of television, films and radio had shifted dramatically. More people had access to TVs, Blacks had some pull in films particularly due to the blaxploition era and radio was dominated with upstart black labels like Motown and Stax rocords. It was harder to introduce white covers to replace black artist. Not that it ceased to happen we still saw and see white counterparts to black music.
The Jackson 5 - The Osmonds
New Edition - New Kids On The Block
Early dance pop solo success Janet Jackson - Tiffany and Debbie Gibson much later Britney Spears
But rap music was different it was too urban driven, too male oriented, too Black. It relied to heavily on sampling already exiting music as a backdrop for the vocals. It had simple rhyming lyrics and was basically talking in syncopation over a beat. Something any amatuer songwriter should be able to do. And because of that it was dismissed as a fad. But its popularity continued to grew in the urban areas despite the brush off from the older generations and by the mid 80s its commercial appeal could no longer be denied. But by that time everyone had at least 3 TVs in their house. And black radio was in integral part of the community so it was impossible to pass off white copies for the original artists. Not in the larger nearly 1 for 1 scale that was done with rock and blues and jazz. As a result rap has been able to retain its, for lack of a better term, Black face much longer than other black created musics before it. If rap had come out in the 50s it would be be all white by now.
But the black community still doesn't control distribution. That network is still controlled overwhelmingly by white men and thats how rap gets seen and heard thru out the world and its the backdoor way the music been co-opted.
Early on people like Lyor Cohen had and have positioned themselves as gatekeepers in what gets thru to the mainstream. And as a result control how the music is perceived by not just the mainstream (read white people) but by the world. Rap music and hip hop culture is damn near 40 years old now and so far in the last 15-20 years have we seen only a hand full of white artists come along and garner the kind of high profile and respect (in a few cases higher) that Black artists have. In 40 years time the look of rock and roll had completely shifted from the 40s to the 80s.
Back in the day it was important to have white faces doing the black music for social/racial reasons and it still continues today, look at the Justins for examples (Beiber and Timberlake) but because there have been real shifts in social attitudes and more importantly real technological shifts, rap music will continue to be Black male dominated in terms of its optics but as long as whites control the distribution they don't need to replace every black artist with white ones. The money and power still all goes to one source and thats NOT to the people who created the music.
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Scarface is correct... The problem is money! Anything that makes money CACs swoop in like a shark on blood. If music about beating a old white ladies up sold; some CACs would buy out all the labels and artists and change it to beating old black women up. Black American's suffer from collective amnesia when it comes to whites intent. When NWA went to #1 with no radio play or promotion in 90 it was OVER the next 5 years the artform suffered into everyone is a gangsta rapper moniker. All chains aren't steel, some are made of currency
My grandfather said the negro league selling its players to MLB was a tragedy, told me it killed thousands of jobs and black owned and controlled economy. Same process different industry...Bob Johnson sold B.E.T to Viacom...we create a product, profit, impose our culture, then sell it to a well documented enemy? Rock and Roll, Blues and now Hip-Hop
The face of hip hop is white now! Macklemore went to #1 on hip-hop charts with ZERO Urban or mixshow airplay (first artist to ever accomplish that) Justin Timberlake went to #1 on Urban charts before he went #10 on pop or rhythmic charts (first white artist to ever do that) I've worked in radio since 95 and the takeover is almost complete.
The credit and legacy of hip-hop has been stolen and the black hip-hop artists now are cartoon-ish at best and thrive at our displaying our shortcomings to a beat for CACs to mock. Where is the Meth rap? that drug is ripping through the white world. Where is the shoot up a public place rap? that's how the white youth get down.
If you hear any good hip-hop in 2013 you had to find it, if it's marketed or promoted it has an insidious agenda. Sadly no one will listen to Face and people will bump 2Chainz and Drake...shameful
^^^^Real shit right here. Good post
it's not even that though
that makes it sold.
man alex, shorty think about what money means to people who don't have it. shorty i know you wasn't no silver spoon kid, seriously think about how hard it is to turn down millions of dollars for something like musical integrity when you barely have a grip on what that means. when you ain't never had shit, then they give you something and the only way to keep it from going away is to put on that clown suit. and dwight knows what he's doing, got his scheme down pat, but you new to the game. so it's subtle and slow and before you know it if you don't judge my gold chains, i'll forgive the iron chains.
real shit man i don't think the average muhfucka from a poverty-stricken background can make the decision that's right for the world 99% of the time in the face of doing what he feels like is right for him and his family. and dwight knows this. and dwight got all the money. and dwight evil as shit.
dwight is an evil, schemin muhfucka, jack.
If people get up to speed and realize they don't need the industry anymore to find and support good music in this digital age it wouldn't be so bad. But too many people do rely on radio and tv to tell them what's good still, which of course is dictated by these old white men that know nothing about good music or truly care to try put it out there.
so many people are like sheep they follow whatever is put in their face and down their throat all day
Hip Hop has been co-opted in terms of who controls its image and how that gets out since the mid 80s. But the ONLY reason you don't see more white faces in rap music like you did with rock and roll and jazz and blues is because of advanced media technology. Back in the 30s 40s and 50s the second a black artist or music form was proven to be popular with white youth it was covered by a white copy cat.
Nearly ALL of Little Richards biggest hits were covered and copied by the likes of Pat Boone who owes MUCH of his celebrity and fame to Richards music. The same with Chuck Berry and Jerry Lee Lewis while Lewis didn't cover his songs he copied his showmanship and stage energy. And you see this repeated again and again with rock and roll and blues and jazz. And the reason it was so easy to replace black artists with white copies was because few people had TVs and no blacks had control or sway in films the two main visual mediums that people got their news, entertainment and information. Radio was easily manipulated thru payola.
Until you get to the 1980s and rap music.
By that time the landscape of television, films and radio had shifted dramatically. More people had access to TVs, Blacks had some pull in films particularly due to the blaxploition era and radio was dominated with upstart black labels like Motown and Stax rocords. It was harder to introduce white covers to replace black artist. Not that it ceased to happen we still saw and see white counterparts to black music.
The Jackson 5 - The Osmonds
New Edition - New Kids On The Block
Early dance pop solo success Janet Jackson - Tiffany and Debbie Gibson much later Britney Spears
But rap music was different it was too urban driven, too male oriented, too Black. It relied to heavily on sampling already exiting music as a backdrop for the vocals. It had simple rhyming lyrics and was basically talking in syncopation over a beat. Something any amatuer songwriter should be able to do. And because of that it was dismissed as a fad. But its popularity continued to grew in the urban areas despite the brush off from the older generations and by the mid 80s its commercial appeal could no longer be denied. But by that time everyone had at least 3 TVs in their house. And black radio was in integral part of the community so it was impossible to pass off white copies for the original artists. Not in the larger nearly 1 for 1 scale that was done with rock and blues and jazz. As a result rap has been able to retain its, for lack of a better term, Black face much longer than other black created musics before it. If rap had come out in the 50s it would be be all white by now.
But the black community still doesn't control distribution. That network is still controlled overwhelmingly by white men and thats how rap gets seen and heard thru out the world and its the backdoor way the music been co-opted.
Early on people like Lyor Cohen had and have positioned themselves as gatekeepers in what gets thru to the mainstream. And as a result control how the music is perceived by not just the mainstream (read white people) but by the world. Rap music and hip hop culture is damn near 40 years old now and so far in the last 15-20 years have we seen only a hand full of white artists come along and garner the kind of high profile and respect (in a few cases higher) that Black artists have. In 40 years time the look of rock and roll had completely shifted from the 40s to the 80s.
Back in the day it was important to have white faces doing the black music for social/racial reasons and it still continues today, look at the Justins for examples (Beiber and Timberlake) but because there have been real shifts in social attitudes and more importantly real technological shifts, rap music will continue to be Black male dominated in terms of its optics but as long as whites control the distribution they don't need to replace every black artist with white ones. The money and power still all goes to one source and thats NOT to the people who created the music.
i couldnt have said it better.. thats what i was trynna get at but couldnt quite find the right words..hiphop will always be black ,it aint goin to whites, we just gotta control distribution better and control the artists and messages comin from our communities better..good drop man
and that's the other side of it!
and honestly I can't knock somebody trying to get rich for "selling out" musically
cuz guess what?
lets say these dudes didn't accept the cash somebody else will and WE aren't going to put that money back in their pockets
very logical post
You cant ask a hungry man to exercise patience at a buffet. But there comes a time when you learn that those purple berries will kill you. The industry hasnt matured over the last 20 years.
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