THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....

[dtownsfinest]

It's not him, it's his theme. The crowd in Jersey was singing it at RAW and it blew up from there.

I mean I heard them I just seen people in here doing Fandango quotes and shit I didn't know if he had gotten over or what. I actually like dude. He's a character. A corny character but entertaining heel to say the least. But I predict in a few months people will be tired of him like they've become tired of Santino.

He's still corny but sometimes corny can be entertaining. I just want to see how long this lasts. Vince falls in love with guys and gimmicks and they get pushed but then he loses interest and it's over for them and they're Drew McIntyre and Chris Masters.

Seems like he's destined to be Morrison or Zack Ryder.....I guess he has going for him he's a heel but shit man this damn theme of his is about to have him getting cheers and he's gonna be in the dreaded ditch of wrestlers who are heels who get cheers and WWE doesn't know what to do with them.

I know right?!? Hell I got the same look on my face that the Rock had in Rollie_Fingaz's image.

Me too bruh....

 

[Heavenlywings77]

I can't tell you to like TNA or anything else, it's purely subjective but isn't that exactly how every company, big and small, has operated since Dusty put together the Four Horsemen? Isn't that The Shield? Wasn't that Evolution and Legacy and DX and Nexxus and The Core? TNA stopped doing faction storylines for a while after Vince Russo was fired and now they're doing another one, I don't see the problem. You don't have to like it but if you only watch 2-3 shows a year, you don't really have a grasp enough to criticize it.

Noooo every company does not concentrate on factions all year around,all day everyday. You had your tag teams for the most part,but not full on factions all the time. TNA over does it. And don't you think it's unfair to tell some1 they "don't have the grasp criticize a show"? It's his opinion. I happen to share the same opinions honestly. TNA is pretty garbage. They have the potential to be so much better than what they're doing. The show is just booooring. You find it entertaining tho Dave? And if so what do you like about TNA?

 

[Multi - Personality]

This match is legendary:



I loved watching Regal teach on Tough Enough. The one episode he said, "I hit hard but in safe places."

I knew these two always were stiff, but this match was crazy

 

[dtownsfinest]

Noooo every company does not concentrate on factions all year around,all day everyday. You had your tag teams for the most part,but not full on factions all the time. TNA over does it. And don't you think it's unfair to tell some1 they "don't have the grasp criticize a show"? It's his opinion. I happen to share the same opinions honestly. TNA is pretty garbage. They have the potential to be so much better than what they're doing. The show is just booooring. You find it entertaining tho Dave? And if so what do you like about TNA?

Yea TNA is terrible man I just can't watch that shit. I'll watch like once a month to see if it has gotten any better and it be the same boring shit. And why do they keep recycling that wack ass NWO angle of stables. Nobody is checking for that shit. I have no problems with stables but its the same shit over and over again.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Yea TNA is terrible man I just can't watch that shit. I'll watch like once a month to see if it has gotten any better and it be the same boring shit. And why do they keep recycling that wack ass NWO angle of stables. Nobody is checking for that shit. I have no problems with stables but its the same shit over and over again.

To this day I wish they would take the X Division and move it to Xplosion. They have the Impact Zone which is empty now and Universal wants to have them back. If they could get that show on say Thursday It would solve a LOT of problems. You could still have the occasional tag match and KO match thrown in. Even bring in the Gut Check people and some Lucha stars from the AAA promotion.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

New Jack's retirement speech.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Wasn't Finlay helping to train the Divas at one point?

Yep and all their development stopped when he left. Now he's back and I've noticed their matches have gotten better.

I mean I heard them I just seen people in here doing Fandango quotes and shit I didn't know if he had gotten over or what. I actually like dude. He's a character. A corny character but entertaining heel to say the least. But I predict in a few months people will be tired of him like they've become tired of Santino.

I hope not. Johnny Curtis has been waiting and waiting and this looks like it might be his big shot. But I have the same fear as you.

Seems like he's destined to be Morrison or Zack Ryder.....I guess he has going for him he's a heel but shit man this damn theme of his is about to have him getting cheers and he's gonna be in the dreaded ditch of wrestlers who are heels who get cheers and WWE doesn't know what to do with them.

They'll turn him and he'll end up corny like Sheamus or boring like Orton.

Noooo every company does not concentrate on factions all year around,all day everyday. You had your tag teams for the most part,but not full on factions all the time. TNA over does it. And don't you think it's unfair to tell some1 they "don't have the grasp criticize a show"? It's his opinion. I happen to share the same opinions honestly. TNA is pretty garbage. They have the potential to be so much better than what they're doing. The show is just booooring. You find it entertaining tho Dave? And if so what do you like about TNA?

Couple things
There are two national companies and a distant third in ROH. Which one doesn't do faction angles? Doesn't exist. TNA did overdo it, they seemed to get that and they stopped for while and when they started Aces and Eights, they had them on the backburner and pushed Roode, Aries, and Storm.
No, it's not unfair at all. I'm completely on board with everyone having their own opinion but if you openly say you don't watch something but 2-3 times a year, you can't possibly have an educated opinion on it. You can pick a part that show you watched that time but you can't dump on the entire company based on that show. I saw one episode of "The Sopranos", hated it but I can't say it was "garbage", just that I didn't care for it. WWF had plenty of bad shows and angles during the Attitude Era and WCW did the same during the nWo-Goldberg era. I've seen TNA from the weekly ppvs and in comparison, they're in a good place.
I like that they angles make sense and the giant gaping holes aren't there anymore.
I like watching them do a good job of protecting their main event heels, like Ray, Roode, and Aries.
I like the wrestling. I hate the new X-Division rules but in the ring, they still put on good product generally.
Better promos all the way around to the point where they don't seem scripted like in WWE.
I like it even better now that they don't shoot through angles because of monthly ppvs. Some angles play out in weeks, some in months, some over the course of a whole year. That's how it used to work in the territory days.
It's not a perfect show but I haven't seen a perfect show since Tully and Arn left Crockett Promotions.

To this day I wish they would take the X Division and move it to Xplosion. They have the Impact Zone which is empty now and Universal wants to have them back. If they could get that show on say Thursday It would solve a LOT of problems. You could still have the occasional tag match and KO match thrown in. Even bring in the Gut Check people and some Lucha stars from the AAA promotion.

This won't work. They don't have the Impact Zone anymore. The money it takes to rent the Impact Zone is the money they use to tour Impact every week, something I thought everyone wanted them to do.
You know I'm with you that they need to use Xplosion for the X-Division. I think Destination X should be one of the four live ppvs next year.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

This won't work. They don't have the Impact Zone anymore. The money it takes to rent the Impact Zone is the money they use to tour Impact every week, something I thought everyone wanted them to do.
You know I'm with you that they need to use Xplosion for the X-Division. I think Destination X should be one of the four live ppvs next year.

I thought they got the Impact Zone for free? (hence why they stayed there so long.)

 

[Alphachino]

Couple things
There are two national companies and a distant third in ROH. Which one doesn't do faction angles? Doesn't exist. TNA did overdo it, they seemed to get that and they stopped for while and when they started Aces and Eights, they had them on the backburner and pushed Roode, Aries, and Storm.
No, it's not unfair at all. I'm completely on board with everyone having their own opinion but if you openly say you don't watch something but 2-3 times a year, you can't possibly have an educated opinion on it. You can pick a part that show you watched that time but you can't dump on the entire company based on that show. I saw one episode of "The Sopranos", hated it but I can't say it was "garbage", just that I didn't care for it. WWF had plenty of bad shows and angles during the Attitude Era and WCW did the same during the nWo-Goldberg era. I've seen TNA from the weekly ppvs and in comparison, they're in a good place.
I like that they angles make sense and the giant gaping holes aren't there anymore.
I like watching them do a good job of protecting their main event heels, like Ray, Roode, and Aries.
I like the wrestling. I hate the new X-Division rules but in the ring, they still put on good product generally.
Better promos all the way around to the point where they don't seem scripted like in WWE.
I like it even better now that they don't shoot through angles because of monthly ppvs. Some angles play out in weeks, some in months, some over the course of a whole year. That's how it used to work in the territory days.
It's not a perfect show but I haven't seen a perfect show since Tully and Arn left Crockett Promotions.

Come on dude, if that shit was that good then niggas would watch it all the time, there's a reason that no one watches it. WWE has it's moments but it's entertaining which is why people watch. Wrestling fans actually want TNA to be good, hell I WANT TNA TO BE GOOD. WWE needs competition and as long as TNA has been around they ain't gonna be it until they get better writers. Simple as that

The Attitude era would've never existed if there was no WCW, the NWO era wouldn't have existed if they didn't want to desrtroy WWF, and ECW was good but just too underground for it's own good. TNA ain't got no excuses to still be this bad at this point that shits been on for over a decade and they still doing that same NWO bullshit.

Last time I watched TNA they had that dumbass baby mama storyline with AJ.

Like I said they have the talent they just need the right storylines

And the last time WWE pulled anything close to a faction angle it was the Nexxus angle, you can't count the shield, evolution and etc because those were pretty much stables like only 3-4 dudes, theres a huge difference between Evolution/Legacy and Ace's and 8's. Evolution and Legacy were pretty much the same group and you knew who it was week in and out, not surprise members or them niggas sittin 10 deep in the ring and stuff. Ace's is clearly a Sons of anarchy nwo love child.

It's one thing to be a fan of wrestling but you just turning a blind eye to this ego trip hogan and bischoff are on to prove they can create NWO part 2

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I thought they got the Impact Zone for free? (hence why they stayed there so long.)

No, they rented it. People got in for free unless you bought one of the VIP packages TNA was selling in the last year.

Come on dude, if that shit was that good then niggas would watch it all the time, there's a reason that no one watches it. WWE has it's moments but it's entertaining which is why people watch. Wrestling fans actually want TNA to be good, hell I WANT TNA TO BE GOOD. WWE needs competition and as long as TNA has been around they ain't gonna be it until they get better writers. Simple as that

It's not that simple. Crockett and then WCW was always better than the WWF but didn't catch up and pass them until the network decided to get fully behind them. TNA is on a second tier cable network with a much smaller budget and exposure and WWE has a 50 yr headstart. The fact that they've gone from a show that films in one city to a worldwide touring company shows that people do watch it. You don't and that's fine but it's just not true to say no one watches it. In fact, seeing how they keep jacking their concepts, someone in WWE watches every second of Impact!.
And don't oversell WWE's popularity. Their audience is half of what it used to be and was actually dropping as they got closer to Mania. They have to keep bringing back Rock, Brock, HHH, and Taker for a reason.

The Attitude era would've never existed if there was no WCW, the NWO era wouldn't have existed if they didn't want to desrtroy WWF, and ECW was good but just too underground for it's own good. TNA ain't got no excuses to still be this bad at this point that shits been on for over a decade and they still doing that same NWO bullshit.

Last time I watched TNA they had that dumbass baby mama storyline with AJ.

Like I said they have the talent they just need the right storylines

And the last time WWE pulled anything close to a faction angle it was the Nexxus angle, you can't count the shield, evolution and etc because those were pretty much stables like only 3-4 dudes, theres a huge difference between Evolution/Legacy and Ace's and 8's. Evolution and Legacy were pretty much the same group and you knew who it was week in and out, not surprise members or them niggas sittin 10 deep in the ring and stuff. Ace's is clearly a Sons of anarchy nwo love child.

Now you c'mon. You can't come up with subjective reasoning for what's a stable and what's not. The Shield is clearly a strong heel faction. Along with Mark Henry, it's one of the only strong heel elements in the company but it's still a faction.
Of course it's Sons of Anarchy. That's how wrestling has always worked. That's why there used to be so many "cowboys" and "Indians" in wrestling back in the day, cowboy and Indian shows were popular. "Dancing With the Stars" is popular, here comes Fandango. If they aren't redoing past wrestling angles, they're doing something from popular tv. That's what wrestling companies do.

It's one thing to be a fan of wrestling but you just turning a blind eye to this ego trip hogan and bischoff are on to prove they can create NWO part 2

People are killing me talking about the nWo. The nWo was a rip off. It was a Japanese angle jacked by Bischoff with a helping of the Four Horsemen thrown in.
What blind eye? Because I don't shit on it, I'm turning a blind eye? You can enjoy John Cena schtick but me enjoying TNA is mystifying to you? For real?
Hogan is going to do Hogan but Bischoff stepped back after he took himself off tv. When they fired Vince Russo (THANK GOD!)the writing/booking immediately got better.
As I already said, it's not perfect but...

I haven't seen a perfect show since Tully and Arn left Crockett Promotions

and I stand by that.

 

[Rocky Miavia]

So now Ryback is a bitch who walks away from fights???

Guess his hunger was gone last night.

WWE makes monsters then turns them to bitches. He should've beaten the brakes off Cena then left him in the ring before The Shield arrived. Who writes this shit?!

 

[Upgrade Dave]

So now Ryback is a bitch who walks away from fights???

Guess his hunger was gone last night.

WWE makes monsters then turns them to bitches. He should've beaten the brakes off Cena then left him in the ring before The Shield arrived. Who writes this shit?!

Typical. This is what I was talking about in TNA making their top heels look strong.
One, Ryback wasn't over enough for a heel turn. Then when they turn him, he's a bitch. No, he's supposed to beat the shit out of Cena. Don't even use The Shield for this, just Ryback kicking his ass.
Two, he lost at Mania. It's not like real fighting where Chael Sonnen can get his ass kicked by Anderson Silva but still get a title shot at Jon Jones (bullshit itself). They booked him to lose clean to Mark Henry and then he gets the main event slot with Cena and Henry gets Sheamus? WTF?
I like Kofi being a champion again but damn, how can Cesaro get over with a stupid yodeling gimmick and getting his ass kicked every week? They should just drop the US title. It's not the same title Magnum TA and Tully Blanchard used to fight for and it's meaningless so drop it.

 

[St_clair_OG]

The booking was awful this week
how in the fuck does ziggler lose clean to swagger a week into his reign as champ

he didn't have to lose clean to set up triple threat match

this kind of booking kills all that momentum he had last monday

and the whole mid card is a mess with the way the IC and USA champs are treated

 

[Upgrade Dave]

The booking was awful this week
how in the fuck does ziggler lose clean to swagger a week into his reign as champ he didn't have to lose clean to set up triple threat match

this kind of booking kills all that momentum he had last monday

and the whole mid card is a mess with the way the IC and USA champs are treated

That shit was horrible.

Fandango didn't get much of a response from the South Carolina crowd so it seems a lot of his support went back to the UK after Mania. Fortunately for him and them, they're about to start their UK tour.

Wade Barrett has won like two matches in 3 months and he's supposed to be a future world champion.
Talk about repetitive booking, they just did the same thing with Truth and Barrett they did with Kofi and Cesaro last week and they just had that same handicap match on SD 3 days ago. Add another thing I like about TNA: they remember shit that happened before. Taz references things that happened in TNA before he got there but Lawler and Cole can't remember seeing Show vs Sheamus and Orton last week.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

The booking was awful this week
how in the fuck does ziggler lose clean to swagger a week into his reign as champ

he didn't have to lose clean to set up triple threat match

this kind of booking kills all that momentum he had last monday

and the whole mid card is a mess with the way the IC and USA champs are treated

They said they wanted him to look beatable. I think he's almost as fucked up as Chris Jericho's undisputed title reign.

That shit was horrible.

Fandango didn't get much of a response from the South Carolina crowd so it seems a lot of his support went back to the UK after Mania. Fortunately for him and them, they're about to start their UK tour.

I got into this argument with someone. They don't give a fuck about Fandango the MAN..they like the song.

 

[chrislee]

Exclusive: The Rock Legitimately Pissed Off At WWE

http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/wwe/wwe-news/exclusive-the-rock-legitimately-pissed-off-at-wwe/

As noted the day after the WrestleMania 29 pay-per-view, there was “absolute panic” backstage at RAW the following night in East Rutherford, New Jersey. The show was scheduled to build to a segment where Brock Lesnar beat up The Rock to set up next year’s WrestleMania main event. The problem was that The Rock was not there and went home. Vince McMahon, the writers and producers rewrote the show, most specifically the opening segment. The Rock was actually scheduled to open RAW with a promo about losing the WWE title to John Cena, only to be attacked and taken out by Brock Lesnar and Paul Heyman. This would set up the WrestleMania 30 main event.

In addition to the opening segment being re-written, there was a second major angle to set up the main feud going forward and the Extreme Rules main event involving John Cena’s next title defense. The Rock was said to be involved in that, which of course led to further revisions.

WZROnline.com was informed that The Rock stayed in a New Jersey hotel that Sunday night and then left home first thing Monday morning. The Rock did not notify anyone from WWE that he was flying home. After failing to respond to numerous phone calls, the company was finally able to get in contact with Rock around 3:00PM on Monday afternoon. Once doing so, he was claiming to be “injured” and told them he wouldn’t be able to make RAW, which was airing several hours later. This obviously caused major re-writes to the show and sent WWE into panic-mode, as noted before. WWE was completely caught off guard and wasn’t even aware Rock had flown home, as the “Brahma Bull” had failed to inform anyone.

According to our sources, while The Rock may be legitimately injured, there is much more to the story than just that. Following his match with John Cena at WrestleMania 29, we’re told he “stormed out” of Metlife Stadium and refused to see any of WWE’s doctors. He simply told them that he was only going to see his own doctors, but did not say he was flying home to do so.
Additionally, WZROnline.com sources indicated that The Rock was upset that the original plans for WrestleMania 29 had been changed on the day of the show. There were plans up until the very last minute where The Rock would retain the WWE title and then drop it at the Extreme Rules pay-per-view.

Despite what you see during interviews with John Cena and The Rock, there is legitimate heat between the two and they simply don’t get along in real life. The two are said to be “cordial” backstage but there is a “battle of egos” and you can tell there is tension between the two according to those backstage.

Following WrestleMania, The Rock posted the following on his Twitter account regarding his “injury”: Injury update: Dr’s & I elected not to reattach tendons to my pelvis. They’ll just scar up. Now I prep to shoot HERCULES #TheDemiGOD

Despite these “injuries”, The Rock is still in the gym training and is telling people he’s “avoiding surgery” as it would delay the shoot for Hercules: The Thracian Wars.

We’ll give you the moral of the story below with bullet points:
* The Rock claims he’s injured.
* The Rock “stormed out” of WrestleMania 29 and refused to see WWE’s doctors.
* The Rock flew home without notifying ANYONE in WWE, including Vince McMahon.
* WWE tried to get in contact with The Rock all day on Monday. He didn’t answer until 3:00PM, after the show had been written involving him.
* The Rock wasn’t backstage at RAW …. not even to cut a promo, etc.
* The Rock was upset that the original WrestleMania 29 plans had been changed … all the way up until the day of the show.
* The Rock is claiming he’s injured (severely) but he’s already back in the gym and training.

We can confirm that The Rock is legitimately pissed off at WWE and has basically “walked out” out on the company for now. Add that to the fact that he didn’t notify anyone that he was leaving (couldn’t even cut a promo on RAW) and is already back training after suffering several severe injuries and you’ve got many skeptical people in WWE right now.

We’ll have another update on The Rock either late tonight or tomorrow morning. As of now, the two sides have not communicated since WrestleMania 29 and there is no word on what his future with the company is as of this writing. We hope to have more shortly.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

They said they wanted him to look beatable. I think he's almost as fucked up as Chris Jericho's undisputed title reign.

I heard that reasoning and it's dumb as hell. That's what happens when you have writers who didn't watch wrestling working for a family that hates it. He doesn't look "beatable", he looks weak and like a fluke. That's fine for the Honkytonk Man as IC champ but not for a guy who can really go and could be a HUGE star.
Good comparison.

I got into this argument with someone. They don't give a fuck about Fandango the MAN..they like the song.

I think it's another nice midcard gimmick but those fans were just being contrary and picked Fandango and his actually catchy theme music. He didn't get that reception at Mania and he didn't get it at Smackdown the next night. I still hope he can make the most out of it but he's a year away from doing jobs to Santino Marella and that's after his 2 month IC reign.


I'm sure a lot of that story is legit but I'm not buying that they were going to keep the title on the Rock and let him beat Cena again at Mania even with an Extreme Rules rematch on deck.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

I'm sure a lot of that story is legit but I'm not buying that they were going to keep the title on the Rock and let him beat Cena again at Mania even with an Extreme Rules rematch on deck.

That's the way it SHOULD have gone.

 

[dirtyd]

That shit was horrible.

Fandango didn't get much of a response from the South Carolina crowd so it seems a lot of his support went back to the UK after Mania. Fortunately for him and them, they're about to start their UK tour.

Wade Barrett has won like two matches in 3 months and he's supposed to be a future world champion.
Talk about repetitive booking, they just did the same thing with Truth and Barrett they did with Kofi and Cesaro last week and they just had that same handicap match on SD 3 days ago. Add another thing I like about TNA: they remember shit that happened before. Taz references things that happened in TNA before he got there but Lawler and Cole can't remember seeing Show vs Sheamus and Orton last week.

The only good thing about Raw was seeing Lesnar destroy 3MB, outside of that the show was complete shit and felt like they were unsure of what to do.

Punk apparently "lost his smile"

WWE & their need to ruin momentum(Fandango)

But the worst offense was Ryback giving a pretty good promo imo, and then having Cena completely bury it made absolutely no sense

Honestly i see WWE sitting in mediocrity until Summerslam since they seem hell bent on destroying any positve momentum gained from last week.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

That's the way it SHOULD have gone.

No, Rock shouldn't have beaten Cena again. I don't care for him but he's their main guy. Having already beaten him once and beaten their other main guy, Punk, twice, you would be killing your main eventers to a part time actor. So why would people invest in these guys or anyone else on that roster? Just wait until the "real guys" like Rock and Taker come back.
When do the Attitude guys start losing to the current guys? That's how they became stars themselves, by beating the guys before them: Hogan, Flair, Piper. Now it's their turn to make new stars. When does someone in "Creative" figure that out? Of course you would have to stop making them look bad the rest of the year (Barrett, Cesaro, Dolph).

The only good thing about Raw was seeing Lesnar destroy 3MB, outside of that the show was complete shit and felt like they were unsure of what to do.

Punk apparently "lost his smile"

WWE & their need to ruin momentum(Fandango)

But the worst offense was Ryback giving a pretty good promo imo, and then having Cena completely bury it made absolutely no sense

Honestly i see WWE sitting in mediocrity until Summerslam since they seem hell bent on destroying any positve momentum gained from last week.

I didn't even like that. I like those guys. They seemed to have some real momentum for a hot minute, now they get their asses kicked on one guy all the time.
They didn't have any momentum from last week. Except for Dolph winning the title, last week's booking sucked too. The crowd was just so hot, it seemed like a good show.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

No, Rock shouldn't have beaten Cena again. I don't care for him but he's their main guy. Having already beaten him once and beaten their other main guy, Punk, twice, you would be killing your main eventers to a part time actor. So why would people invest in these guys or anyone else on that roster? Just wait until the "real guys" like Rock and Taker come back.
When do the Attitude guys start losing to the current guys? That's how they became stars themselves, by beating the guys before them: Hogan, Flair, Piper. Now it's their turn to make new stars. When does someone in "Creative" figure that out? Of course you would have to stop making them look bad the rest of the year (Barrett, Cesaro, Dolph).

I disagree. Faces need to be an underdog and Cena slayed every dragon out there save for Undertaker at Wrestlemania. He needs a challenge, someone to make him doubt himself and most importantly someone that the fans will believe can beat him. Losing the rematch wouldn't have hurt Cena and the rematch at Extreme Rules Cena could have should how desperate he was to beat the Rock by showing how far he was willing to go to beat him.

 

[Alphachino]

No, they rented it. People got in for free unless you bought one of the VIP packages TNA was selling in the last year.



It's not that simple. Crockett and then WCW was always better than the WWF but didn't catch up and pass them until the network decided to get fully behind them. TNA is on a second tier cable network with a much smaller budget and exposure and WWE has a 50 yr headstart. The fact that they've gone from a show that films in one city to a worldwide touring company shows that people do watch it. You don't and that's fine but it's just not true to say no one watches it. In fact, seeing how they keep jacking their concepts, someone in WWE watches every second of Impact!.
And don't oversell WWE's popularity. Their audience is half of what it used to be and was actually dropping as they got closer to Mania. They have to keep bringing back Rock, Brock, HHH, and Taker for a reason.


Now you c'mon. You can't come up with subjective reasoning for what's a stable and what's not. The Shield is clearly a strong heel faction. Along with Mark Henry, it's one of the only strong heel elements in the company but it's still a faction.
Of course it's Sons of Anarchy. That's how wrestling has always worked. That's why there used to be so many "cowboys" and "Indians" in wrestling back in the day, cowboy and Indian shows were popular. "Dancing With the Stars" is popular, here comes Fandango. If they aren't redoing past wrestling angles, they're doing something from popular tv. That's what wrestling companies do.



People are killing me talking about the nWo. The nWo was a rip off. It was a Japanese angle jacked by Bischoff with a helping of the Four Horsemen thrown in.
What blind eye? Because I don't shit on it, I'm turning a blind eye? You can enjoy John Cena schtick but me enjoying TNA is mystifying to you? For real?
Hogan is going to do Hogan but Bischoff stepped back after he took himself off tv. When they fired Vince Russo (THANK GOD!)the writing/booking immediately got better.
As I already said, it's not perfect but...

and I stand by that.

The Nwo may have been jacked but only a few us fans would know. Nwo is THE biggest best faction ever.

I guess we can just agree to disagree on the faction/stable thing. Idk but when 3-4 guys lie the shield are together you know no one else is going to join so IMHO that's not even on the nwo radar. Nwo was like niggas standing with half the roster in the ring, I doubt we will ever see a Sheild vs WWE game made anytime soon. Evolution/3MB/Legacy I just can't put them in that same category as NWO.

TNA has aces and 8's getting deeper every week and it looks to not have a stop anytime soon, the same for that main event Mafia,TNA just takes that route way too often IMHO and it shows when fans don't wanna see it as much. People aren't doing what they did in the 90's and actually having a choice to tune into wwe or TNA , its pretty much Wwe or nothing. I watch TNA cuz i truly want to get sucked in but i just cant.

They said they wanted him to look beatable. I think he's almost as fucked up as Chris Jericho's undisputed title reign.

Nah I think they'll go the edge route and have him as the champ who can lose at any moment but always finds a way to retain. They've been missing that since edge left. I think they dropped the ball with Christian tho cuz he could play that sneaky nigga role, shit dudes name was creepy little bastard at one point lol

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I disagree. Faces need to be an underdog and Cena slayed every dragon out there save for Undertaker at Wrestlemania. He needs a challenge, someone to make him doubt himself and most importantly someone that the fans will believe can beat him. Losing the rematch wouldn't have hurt Cena and the rematch at Extreme Rules Cena could have should how desperate he was to beat the Rock by showing how far he was willing to go to beat him.

He doesn need a challenge but Rock beating him again doesn't fit the bill with the way they hyped it. Two matches, two clean pinfall losses, what's the point of a third match? For there to be legit interest in a third match, Cena has to win the 2nd one.
Plus, you don't blow Rock-Cena III on Extreme Rules, always one of their lower shows because it comes right after their biggest and most expensive show.

The Nwo may have been jacked but only a few us fans would know. Nwo is THE biggest best faction ever.

I guess we can just agree to disagree on the faction/stable thing. Idk but when 3-4 guys lie the shield are together you know no one else is going to join so IMHO that's not even on the nwo radar. Nwo was like niggas standing with half the roster in the ring, I doubt we will ever see a Sheild vs WWE game made anytime soon. Evolution/3MB/Legacy I just can't put them in that same category as NWO.

TNA has aces and 8's getting deeper every week and it looks to not have a stop anytime soon, the same for that main event Mafia,TNA just takes that route way too often IMHO and it shows when fans don't wanna see it as much. People aren't doing what they did in the 90's and actually having a choice to tune into wwe or TNA , its pretty much Wwe or nothing. I watch TNA cuz i truly want to get sucked in but i just cant.

Since they revealed Ray as the leader, who was the last guy to join A&8s? Anderson, I think. The only person who should join at this point is Brooke Hogan but the roster looks pretty locked for now.
People aren't doing what they did in the 80s and 90s but the situatioin isn't the same. TNA has to build it's own fanbase. WCW came in with Crockett Promotion's reputation and Ric Flair as the top guy. TNA has already outlived ECW and is quickly catching up to WCW. So it's not your opinion on whether you like it or not I challenge but the idea that you can dump on the whole show based on you watching less than a handful of shows a year.

Nah I think they'll go the edge route and have him as the champ who can lose at any moment but always finds a way to retain. They've been missing that since edge left. I think they dropped the ball with Christian tho cuz he could play that sneaky nigga role, shit dudes name was creepy little bastard at one point lol

Yeah, they dropped the ball on Christian. He brought the best matches Randy Orton had had in years out of him, made Jack Swagger in ECW and never got rewarded for it.
But they're booking Ziggler wrong and have been since he won MitB. Forget Edge, Ric Flair always made his opponents look good and like they could be World champ but he was never booked to look weak like this. Same with Edge. This isn't setting up later contenders, this is making him look like a second tier guy who lucked up on a title. He hits every finisher he has in every match and still loses and that's with his crazy girlfriend outside and a monster having his back. There's no silver lining to this dark, dark cloud until they stop booking Dolph like this.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

He doesn need a challenge but Rock beating him again doesn't fit the bill with the way they hyped it. Two matches, two clean pinfall losses, what's the point of a third match? For there to be legit interest in a third match, Cena has to win the 2nd one.
Plus, you don't blow Rock-Cena III on Extreme Rules, always one of their lower shows because it comes right after their biggest and most expensive show.

The point is Cena should have been so obsessed with beating Rock he's willing to cheat and turn his back on everything he stands for to do it. All they had to do was the match TNA did with James Storm and Bobby Roode where Roode hit his boy with the bottle to win the title and it would have worked.

Now we have the same Cena doing the same thing with no real challengers after he overcomes the odds and beats Ryback.

 

[Born]

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Tony Romo = Dolph Ziggler

Both seem poised to be champions, but there's just something missing. Probably because both guys are more entertaining through losing than winning. But would this make Tyron Smith the Big E Langston of the Cowboys?

 

[Heavenlywings77]

Yep and all their development stopped when he left. Now he's back and I've noticed their matches have gotten better.



I hope not. Johnny Curtis has been waiting and waiting and this looks like it might be his big shot. But I have the same fear as you.





They'll turn him and he'll end up corny like Sheamus or boring like Orton.




Couple things
There are two national companies and a distant third in ROH. Which one doesn't do faction angles? Doesn't exist. TNA did overdo it, they seemed to get that and they stopped for while and when they started Aces and Eights, they had them on the backburner and pushed Roode, Aries, and Storm.
No, it's not unfair at all. I'm completely on board with everyone having their own opinion but if you openly say you don't watch something but 2-3 times a year, you can't possibly have an educated opinion on it. You can pick a part that show you watched that time but you can't dump on the entire company based on that show. I saw one episode of "The Sopranos", hated it but I can't say it was "garbage", just that I didn't care for it. WWF had plenty of bad shows and angles during the Attitude Era and WCW did the same during the nWo-Goldberg era. I've seen TNA from the weekly ppvs and in comparison, they're in a good place.
I like that they angles make sense and the giant gaping holes aren't there anymore.
I like watching them do a good job of protecting their main event heels, like Ray, Roode, and Aries.
I like the wrestling. I hate the new X-Division rules but in the ring, they still put on good product generally.
Better promos all the way around to the point where they don't seem scripted like in WWE.
I like it even better now that they don't shoot through angles because of monthly ppvs. Some angles play out in weeks, some in months, some over the course of a whole year. That's how it used to work in the territory days.
It's not a perfect show but I haven't seen a perfect show since Tully and Arn left Crockett Promotions.



This won't work. They don't have the Impact Zone anymore. The money it takes to rent the Impact Zone is the money they use to tour Impact every week, something I thought everyone wanted them to do.
You know I'm with you that they need to use Xplosion for the X-Division. I think Destination X should be one of the four live ppvs next year.

I just feel like in terms of entertainment if some1 doesn't like the 1st 10 minutes of a show or first 30 seconds of a song,and in this case a few episodes of a show it's safe to assume that they are bored by it. I don't think anyone should have to watch every episode of something to declare that it's boring to them.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I just feel like in terms of entertainment if some1 doesn't like the 1st 10 minutes of a show or first 30 seconds of a song,and in this case a few episodes of a show it's safe to assume that they are bored by it. I don't think anyone should have to watch every episode of something to declare that it's boring to them.

That's not what I said. If you go over my posts, you see I agree with this point you've made.
I'm saying you don't have the necessary information to dump on the entire enterprise if you've only seen a small sampling. You've seen enough to decide for yourself if you like it but not enough to make a real value judgement. Back to my Sopranos example: if I had continued to watch, I might have thought it was an excellent show and that my first impression was wrong but I chose not to. So I can say "I wasn't feeling it" but I can't say "it's not a good show". Now the show "Heroes", I watched every episode and that second season was horrible.

The point is Cena should have been so obsessed with beating Rock he's willing to cheat and turn his back on everything he stands for to do it. All they had to do was the match TNA did with James Storm and Bobby Roode where Roode hit his boy with the bottle to win the title and it would have worked.

Now we have the same Cena doing the same thing with no real challengers after he overcomes the odds and beats Ryback.

I feel you but it breaks down to how they built up the Mania match and how they book Cena. Even with the Storm example, he didn't get that next chance at Roode until their biggest show of the year. WWE is not blowing Rock-Cena III on Extreme Rules. In hindsight, it turned out to be the right decision because Rock got hurt at Mania and wouldn't be able to work Extreme Rules.

 

[Multi - Personality]

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Tony Romo = Dolph Ziggler

Both seem poised to be champions, but there's just something missing. Probably because both guys are more entertaining through losing than winning. But would this make Tyron Smith the Big E Langston of the Cowboys?

funny stuff

 

[chrislee]

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[RiverCity]

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[Rollie_Fingaz]

Interview with the Rock:

The Rock Addresses His Future in Wrestling, The Rumored Match With Brock Lesnar, More
Posted by Larry Csonka on 04.22.2013

More from The Rock…

- The Rock recently spoke with New York City radio host Peter Rosenberg while promoting his new TV show Hero. Here are the highlights…

In He Done Wrestling?: "Possibly, to be honest with you. This is exclusive s--- right here (laughs)," Johnson said about whether facing John Cena at WrestleMania 29 was his last match. "Possibly. You know, the goal three years ago was - I sat down with Vince McMahon and we strategized about it, talked about three WrestleManias (WM27 as host, WM28 vs. Cena, WM29 vs. Cena) back-to-back, boom-boom-boom, and building to those. And, I committed myself to the company and I was very proud of that moment (passing the torch to Cena) - didn't matter if I lost or did the job or not. It was an honor to do the honors. We wanted to build me to a certain place and become champion, and then do things the right way," Johnson continued. "It was the best way to give back. Was it my last match? Possibly. I'm really not too sure and I wouldn't rule it out. The plan the whole time was to create the Miami (WrestleMania) and create the biggest show of all-time in the biggest market of New York."

On His Next Match: "The original plan was possibly Brock (Lesnar) and myself. Like, that was the next thing that made sense to me. Because, I love Brock and we've been friends for over a decade now. And, we could have a great, athletic match. So, that was the plan. But, when I tore tendons off my pelvis, I had to fly home that day, so we couldn't do what we wanted to do at Raw that day. So, possibly with Brock down the road."

On The Injury and Vince & Company Knowing He Was Going Home: "I talked to Vince that night when I was hurt," Johnson said, with a defensive tone in his voice. "Vince, and Triple H, by the way, and John Cena and C.M. Punk came by the locker room... That night, I saw the WWE (doctors), and they did the fun test if one has a hernia, and Vince came by the locker room. I said I was hurt, then we agreed that I was not going to be at the show the next night. So, everyone knew. I wasn't quite too sure where all the 'scrambling' came in."

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Glad Rock cleared that up. As usual, WWE's office is a mess and they put it off on someone else.
Him vs Brock? Before they even attempt that, he needs to get his cardio up.

I see from the spoilers that Taker will be wrestling tonight so maybe, just maybe Punk can get his win back after all. He really needs pinfall victories over Taker and HHH to get his momentum back.

 

[lurknomo]

Interview with the Rock:

good stuff...

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Who is going to stop The Shield? Not Cena. Not Orton. Not even the Undertaker. I'm impressed with how they're being handled.

 

[c_commander]

Who is going to stop The Shield? Not Cena. Not Orton. Not even the Undertaker. I'm impressed with how they're being handled.

I just hope that they're not stopped by the same people who stopped the Nexus WWE creative. So far they've done a great job with them and making it so that nobody in the group clearly shines over anyone else.