THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....
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I co-sign your sentiments. As far as a "Wrestlemania" in the old-school wrestling fan sense, that has been renamed "King of Trios" or "Cybernetico" for the last 3 years anyway for me anyway. That was reaffirmed to me last year with the whole Daniel Bryan 5 second match. So this year I went into Wrestlemania with a much clearer, more realistic, mindset. No surprises, no swerves, just a big arena, nice production, and couple matches I might rewatch in the future. That's all I expected, and that's what I got. Titles don't mean anything in the WWE, it's better to just accept that. We (20-30 year olds) are not the main demographic for the WWE. It is what it is. And I DO expect this year's WM to do really well (possibly even better than last years, but at the very least very well).
I watched this shit is on some semi-nostalgia purposes and I'm so glad I'm not a big wrestling fan and have to lower my standards to keep myself a fan of this shit like some of y'all are saying. What happened to having big surprises, there was absolutely nothing good or memorable that happened. This might as well have been a regular Raw or Smackdown show.
Wrestlemania just didn't have anything that made it so much better than all the other PPVs. WM didn't have anything special other than a big stage, fireworks and an Undertaker match. Otherwise, it was pretty much just like all the other PPVs (which all suck for the most part).
It wasn't even about who I wanted to win or what I wanted to happen because I know like 90% of the shit I want to happen won't happen anyway. The execution to some of the match endings was flawed, time was mismanaged and there was an abundance of shit I didn't want to see like Diddy and numerous video packages and shameless plugs.
The Shield match, Taker/Punk and Brock/HHH were as good as anticipated. But that bad out-weighs the good by a good margin.
It wasn't even about who I wanted to win or what I wanted to happen because I know like 90% of the shit I want to happen won't happen anyway. The execution to some of the match endings was flawed, time was mismanaged and there was an abundance of shit I didn't want to see like Diddy and numerous video packages and shameless plugs.
The Shield match, Taker/Punk and Brock/HHH were as good as anticipated. But that bad out-weighs the good by a good margin.
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This is why the internet has killed wrestling, you all expected something and since you didn't get it you're now speaking in hyperbole. I thought WM was very good and Punk vs Taker was easily match of the night and i thought the card was solid overall, and since i didn't pay for it im going to keep my bitching to a minimum. It's never a good idea to read dirt sheets because all they do is tell you what you want to hear without having any proof. There was never any proof of a heel turn or shield interference but we all got our hopes up.
To the people saying the crowd was dead i would like to ask you what sound system were you using? Because outside of the Lesnar/HHH match the crowd was loud all night and loved the final sequence of Rock/Cena. Could this Mania have been better? Sure. But before ya'll start talking about this being the worst ever i advise you all to re-watch 27
I gotta co-sign you bruh.....I was reading the past 2 pages just to see everyones view on tonight and i'm shocked how much I disagree with people. It was predictable? Crowd was dead? This is the effect of social media/internet. It was a good Wrestlemania.....Cena/Rock wasn't that great but I only say that because I expected a far better ending than that. Its not that Cena won. Rock put his work in. I didn't even expect for him to have a title run at this point in his career with how much money he's making movie studio's. And for that Rock will always have my respect. To be a A list actor and coming back to wrestling?
But I guess why I can enjoy this shit is because I don't read the "dirt sheets". I don't read the "spoilers". I suggest others not do it either because it just ruins it. You can't be mad at the WWE because you read spoilers on their shit.
All in all a solid Wrestlemania. Punk and Taker were incredible. I seen a few people doubting Taker....when Wrestlemania hits he's always gonna be in-ring shape. One of my favorite Taker matches in recent memory.
And I gotta admit....I sort of miss hating the WWE champion lol.....so in that regard i'm happy Cena's champ again. And to be honest, he's a better champion then he is...whatever the hell he was when Punk and Rock were champion but that's due to how they've booked him.
I'm so out of the loop.
I really thought there was a chance Punk would win. But shit man that's what made the match even better for me. Either way, how anyone could complain about that match is baffling to me.
Damn..... thank god I didnt watch that.
I actually thought this year's show was decent. A solid 7 or 8 out of 10. Most of the 'wrestling' was actually decent. Taker/Punk put on a good match, The Shield came away looking strong, even the Del Rio/Swagger match was good. The endings of the matches could have used some work. Doesn't seem like there were any big jaw-dropping spots used in the end of matches. It also seem like they scaled back on the entrances this year. Watching the entrances has been one of my favorite parts of the show in recent years, but this year most of them seem pretty normal, just on a bigger stage.
And I know this is probably a pipe dream, because they're probably out of Lesnar dates, but it would be awesome if Raw started off tonight with Kane and D. Bryan coming out to defend the tag titles, and before the match even starts, Heyman, Lesnar and Punk come out, destroy whoever the challengers are, take their place in the match, and win the tag titles.
And I know this is probably a pipe dream, because they're probably out of Lesnar dates, but it would be awesome if Raw started off tonight with Kane and D. Bryan coming out to defend the tag titles, and before the match even starts, Heyman, Lesnar and Punk come out, destroy whoever the challengers are, take their place in the match, and win the tag titles.
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At this point, I hope he doesn't because if he does, it will be to someone he definitely shouldn't lose to, either Cena or Brock.
Unlike when he beat Edge and Batista, he doesn't work any kind of schedule for Punk to get his win back.
That's the obnoxious shit I was talking about earlier. How ballsy is it to call up after a year off and say "Hey, I want to wrestle Punk so I can beat him but he can make me look great."
He was down to about 260 lbs in UFC.This is why the internet has killed wrestling, you all expected something and since you didn't get it you're now speaking in hyperbole. I thought WM was very good and Punk vs Taker was easily match of the night and i thought the card was solid overall, and since i didn't pay for it im going to keep my bitching to a minimum. It's never a good idea to read dirt sheets because all they do is tell you what you want to hear without having any proof. There was never any proof of a heel turn or shield interference but we all got our hopes up.
To the people saying the crowd was dead i would like to ask you what sound system were you using? Because outside of the Lesnar/HHH match the crowd was loud all night and loved the final sequence of Rock/Cena. Could this Mania have been better? Sure. But before ya'll start talking about this being the worst ever i advise you all to re-watch 27
While I don't think it's the worst ever, from the build to the execution, it was far from even being very good. The internet didn't kill wrestling, bad booking has. When you charge $60 (on the cheap end) for a show, it should be a blowaway show. With the roster they have, they could have had that level of event and didn't.
99% of us knew Cena was going to win from the time the ref counted 3 last year, same with HHH-Brock, but they still should have a WM closing worthy match (I didn't expect them too because Rock's as limited as Cena, just a far superior character).
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It reminded me of a late 90s WCW ppv: good, maybe great stuff on the undercard but the main event doesn't hold up and leaves the audience with a bad taste in their mouth. The lesson should always be have the best main event you can because even if the rest is garbage, people will leave with a good impression because of a kick ass main event.
ROH's Supercard of Honor was the best show of the weekend but the TNA ppv was an excellent show.
Hey, Mark Henry won and that was a surprise and it seemed like they were set to beat the Shield so them winning was a surprise too.
But damn, they gave Puffy all that time for that boring concert, had a million video packages we've already seen but didnt have time for the mixed tag match. I didn't expect it to be a classic but it would have been nice for Naomi and Cam to work the big show, repping for the Divas that can do something in the ring.
Brock re-upped for two more years.
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I was there last night and the place was on fire. If there was any lack of energy in the crowd during the The Triple H and Lesnar match, it was due to a slowness in the match. I think we were all just waiting for something great to happen. The crowd was certainly live and awake when the Spanish announce table went, when Triple H locked in that arm hold (don't remember the technical name) on Brock, and every time Brock slammed Triple H on the steps to get out of it, just to get put back in the hold. We were all chanting "Tap, Tap, Tap, Tap..." and "This is awesome..." I think everybody was in agreement that HBK was just useless out there.
The WWE definitely needs to listen to the fans. I'm not sure if you guys picked it up over TV, but we were all chanting at one point or another during the Swagger and Del Rio match, and during the Rock and Cena match "We want Ziggler...". The WWE universe wants him to cash in the MIB case already and get one of those titles.
Oh yeah... I have never heard Cena booed so viciously before. I thought he got the worse of it in ATL when he brought out that choir, but we let him have it last night (pause). He got booed so hard, I thought he might cry.
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I'm lost at how dudes are getting upset with people voicing their opinions about that show. Just like you loved it some people only watch wwe for big stars and Wm, s they have a right to be upset when its a lackluster show for like 1/2 the show. Diddy was horrible, and that Cena rock match wasn't main event worthy. Like someone said punk/taker should've been the main event. Idk how long its gonna take Vince to notice takers match is always the best of the night.
I like Cena and all but that should've been punk vs rock. That match had no type of rhythm and rock needs someone who's gonna carry him for 30 mins not use multiple rest holds so he can gather his breath all night.
There were some good matches but wwe can't keep booking Cena like this and expecting the fans to respect it. I know you got assholes who like to cuss and shit at Cena surrounded bya bunch of kids cheering for him but damn even my 5 year old is tired of Cena doing the same shit.
I like Cena and all but that should've been punk vs rock. That match had no type of rhythm and rock needs someone who's gonna carry him for 30 mins not use multiple rest holds so he can gather his breath all night.
There were some good matches but wwe can't keep booking Cena like this and expecting the fans to respect it. I know you got assholes who like to cuss and shit at Cena surrounded bya bunch of kids cheering for him but damn even my 5 year old is tired of Cena doing the same shit.
Him and Punk need to work together in some capacity during the next year.
Either start a stable of 'Heyman Guys' or have them go at each other.
Dave me and you are going to disagree over this. Taker & Punk shouldn't have been the ME because Taker/Punk is not on the same level as a Taker/HBK match, the fact is Rock/Cena are the 2 biggest stars therefore they get the ME spot. I thought the ppv was a 3 match show and that's what it was, but the undercard was decent imo so that's why im not upset at this ppv. People want a star studded ppv yet have we forgotten that we've lamented the wwe for not creating more stars? I wish Ziggler had cashed in but at the same time i feel like we just want to see him win but we won't give a damn about his run.
Im upset because in true smark fashion people on other sites are already calling the Taker/Punk match overrated, boring, predictable and pointless. It highlights what's wrong with fans now, instead of just watching as fans we just look to criticize every little thing and we never enjoy shit anymore. This was a ppv where i just turned off my brain and had fun watching, Diddy did suck but not enough to say he ruined my experience. One thing that really made me shake my head and at the same time confirm my feelings towards the iwc were the complaints towards the post show, they bitched when they thought it was going to be an hour and when it only lasted 20mins they bitched about it being too short
People can voice their opinions im just saying im done judging every single thing, because at the end of the day it's just frustrating and it does no one any good.
Dave me and you are going to disagree over this. Taker & Punk shouldn't have been the ME because Taker/Punk is not on the same level as a Taker/HBK match, the fact is Rock/Cena are the 2 biggest stars therefore they get the ME spot. I thought the ppv was a 3 match show and that's what it was, but the undercard was decent imo so that's why im not upset at this ppv. People want a star studded ppv yet have we forgotten that we've lamented the wwe for not creating more stars? I wish Ziggler had cashed in but at the same time i feel like we just want to see him win but we won't give a damn about his run.
Im upset because in true smark fashion people on other sites are already calling the Taker/Punk match overrated, boring, predictable and pointless. It highlights what's wrong with fans now, instead of just watching as fans we just look to criticize every little thing and we never enjoy shit anymore. This was a ppv where i just turned off my brain and had fun watching, Diddy did suck but not enough to say he ruined my experience. One thing that really made me shake my head and at the same time confirm my feelings towards the iwc were the complaints towards the post show, they bitched when they thought it was going to be an hour and when it only lasted 20mins they bitched about it being too short
People can voice their opinions im just saying im done judging every single thing, because at the end of the day it's just frustrating and it does no one any good.
dirtyd, you've pretty much nailed it on the head in my opinion. It might partially be because, since last year's WM, I officially gave up on WWE ever becoming the way I want it to be and accepted that the demographic isn't geared towards the IWC. I really just take it for what it is now. So on that note, this year's WM was entertaining enough. As I mentioned earlier, Wrestlemania as a concept has been presented to me the way I enjoy in the forms of King of Trios and Cybernetico. So I'm fine on the American side of things. Those shows are both about high stakes, surprises, beginning/ending of feuds, great wrestling, titles that mean something, etc. I hope for next year's WM the IWC go into it viewing it for what it is about, rather than what it use to be (or what we, the IWC, want it to be). It's making a ton of money whether we want it to or not. That's not changing in the foreseeable future (and no, TNA is not any sort of competition for the WWE. The IWC can certainly like it more, but the WWE will make more money showing promos and video packages for 2 hours than a 2 hour show of straight wrestling that TNA would more likely provide).
Just keeping it 100
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If it was always done that the match with the two biggest stars was always the main event, but in recent history they put on the better match and not the one with the biggest stars. So it's not people expecting better of the company for no reason. They've shown they know better and can do better.
When Ziggler took the fall in his match, I was hoping he didn't cash in. It's bad enough he's lost so many big matches but to get pinned in a match earlier on the same show would have been even worse. They've got another ppv in a few weeks, do it there.
Im upset because in true smark fashion people on other sites are already calling the Taker/Punk match overrated, boring, predictable and pointless. It highlights what's wrong with fans now, instead of just watching as fans we just look to criticize every little thing and we never enjoy shit anymore. This was a ppv where i just turned off my brain and had fun watching, Diddy did suck but not enough to say he ruined my experience. One thing that really made me shake my head and at the same time confirm my feelings towards the iwc were the complaints towards the post show, they bitched when they thought it was going to be an hour and when it only lasted 20mins they bitched about it being too short
People can voice their opinions im just saying im done judging every single thing, because at the end of the day it's just frustrating and it does no one any good.
Here's the thing on that
Outside of here, I don't really communicate with other fans about wrestling on the internet. There will be someone to hate everything. That's why I say there is no "IWC". It's just wrestling fans, each of whom carries their own ideas, experiences, expectations, and biases. You found some that hated the Punk/Taker match but that's the clear leader in Match of the Year, based on quality and the platform (more people were in that stadium than will buy all the ROH, CHIKARA and PWS ippvs combined). I can find idiots who cheer the idea of TNA being bought by WWE (because fewer companies is better? Stupid) and will quickly say the Carters have spent all this money with no return, like TNA hasn't gone from promoting a weekly show in one arena to a real worldwide touring company. So I don't think there's anything wrong with fans. Those diehard fans are the reason any of the indies exist and the sole reason guys like Punk, Ambrose, and Aries get shots on nationally televised shows.
The best thing that's happened to them if them not trying to compete with WWE and just worrying about themselves.
That nigga thinks he's entitled.
How about he just not watch it? He over there mad because they mad Cena champ. They made their most marketable wrestler a champ. Who btw, hasn't been champ in shit damn near a year and a half. I don't like it but at the same time aside from Punk who deserves that title? I'm tired of seeing it being held by the same 4 niggas......I'll say one thing though he did point out was Rock losing cleanly to Cena.....that shit does piss me off.....why build Cena up even more than what he is? All he can do is go down from here with the way they're booking him and when he stops making them money then what? In my eyes they fucked up Rock's legacy a bit....it was like Emmitt going to the Cardinals or Montana on the Chiefs....I guess only thing left is Taker's record at wrestlemania....
Which is why i say if those people were in charge they would be bankrupt within 3 months. As for the diehards that love Punk & other indie stars they are quick to turn on them once they become famous, the people who loved Punk turned on him after his 2011 run because they felt he was becoming "one of them". The fact is Punk went from making a decent living on the indie circuit to being able to retire in a year and live off royalties, if those people can't be happy for a true rags to riches story like that then they can fuck off.
I've just decided to keep my wrestling opinions here and not venture to other sites unless i need a download of an old WWF or WCW episode or ppv. I knew they were getting out of hand when i started seeing threads asking if Stone Cold was overrated
My beef with last night's WM is that there were no memorable moments to take away except for maybe the CM Punk Taker match. Everything else was pretty forgettable. There's usually a turn or two at WM and there were none last night.
HHH beating Lesnar, are they serious?
Fandango beating Y2J? What a joke.
I too have lowered my expectations over the years, but last night's show was average at best. The only thing I got hyped over was Living Colour performing.
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HHH beating Lesnar, are they serious?
Fandango beating Y2J? What a joke.
I too have lowered my expectations over the years, but last night's show was average at best. The only thing I got hyped over was Living Colour performing.
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That nigga thinks he's entitled.
Ol boy is taking it way too seriously (YouTube would die if not for guys/girls like him though).
I don't even think Cena's their most marketable star at this point, just the one they market the most.
Even then, that's a minority. Most of his fans are happy to see Punk at this level and mostly complain about how he's used. He got the title but John Cena was main eventing with John Laurinaitis. At least when Savage got his run, Hogan went away. Plus, he's done the job to every parttimer they can dig up (except Jericho) and never gets his win back. So he can beat Daniel Bryan, Del Rio, and Kofi but not Rock, HHH, or Taker.
I've just decided to keep my wrestling opinions here and not venture to other sites unless i need a download of an old WWF or WCW episode or ppv. I knew they were getting out of hand when i started seeing threads asking if Stone Cold was overrated
There's someone for every opinion. Just like with Ric Flair, many modern fans never got to see Austin before Owen Hart broke his neck and many just see him as a guy who flips middle fingers and drinks beer.Im trying to figure out who's more marketable outside of Cena, Punk is too white trash looking and Vince tries to stay away from that image, Lesnar is just a part timer & Ziggler's name will hold him back.
I think the HHH loss is the one that stings the most because it was forgettable and nothing was gained by either party, at least with the other 2 he was put in the spotlight and developed his character more. HHH has a habit of putting himself into feuds and killing them (i.e Edge & Cena
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Count me as one who remembers SCSA all the way back to his USWA days when he could work a technical match, hell idk if you've seen it but he had a very underrated match with Taker at Backlash 2002.
One, there's nothing wrong with looking too White trashy. It made Austin a multi millionaire, with his bald head, goatee, black boots, leather vests and cutoff jean shorts.
Dolph's name wouldn't make any difference. I remember "Boogie Nights" but it's not like it's "Star Wars" and everywhere he went people would be asking him about it. I just think they need to focus on building him as a main event heel before anything else or he ends up as a boring face like the Miz (who has something but they book him stupidly).
I think the HHH loss is the one that stings the most because it was forgettable and nothing was gained by either party, at least with the other 2 he was put in the spotlight and developed his character more. HHH has a habit of putting himself into feuds and killing them (i.e Edge & Cena
I think that was the worst one, too. Then he went on and got pinned by Awesome Truth in a tag match and that turned a lot of Punk fans off.
Me too. "Stunning" Steve Austin had WCW World champion written all over him, even before he got to WCW (I didn't see where he would fit in in the WWF of that time). Bischoff doesn't fall in love with Hulk Hogan, wrestling would have been really different.
We all do realize that wrestling is fake right?!?! I mean someone said it earlier that they put the title on their most marketable guy. Yes the shyt is boring that they don't come up with storylines for everyone and just keep feuds for the belts with the same four dudes. Yes Super Cena is garbage, not much different than the Super Hulk from the '80s. The shyt is marketed to kids. The reason Cena wins is because of all the white kids that the cameras show wearing Cena gear. So honestly even if we all stop watching they will still push Super Cena
I thought the Taker match was really good. I just didn't want to see him getting out of the ring like a cripple for a third year. My match was Mark Henry vs. Ryback. Not the ending I would have wanted, but I am sure Ryback moves more merch than Mark just glad that he won clean.
I thought the Taker match was really good. I just didn't want to see him getting out of the ring like a cripple for a third year. My match was Mark Henry vs. Ryback. Not the ending I would have wanted, but I am sure Ryback moves more merch than Mark just glad that he won clean.
I would've been satisfied if Cena had put the AA on Rock on a steel chair or cracked him in the head with the belt or his chain and then won...but the "clean" win?? nah...FUCK DAT
"We'll get in next year...."
I have no sympathy for the Bellas, who suck and walked right into a WM payday but for everyone else, I feel for them.
What?!Of course we know that. Just like every other tv show on and when shows dip in quality, people voice their disapproval.
Cena's the most marketable guy because they made him so. It's past time they spent some of that energy on other guys. Rock isn't one of those guys so him losing to Cena doesn't matter to me one way or another and I'm a little surprised at people being upset about it. But it feeds into the way too strong push he's received over the last ten years and I think that's more what bothering people. He has actually passed Hogan in the amount of time he's been pushed as Superman and that's saying something.
Someone pulled the old "Wrestling Is Fake" shit out of their ass, huh? Yeah, it's fucking fake. So is every popular show you watch on TV, every movie you go see in theatres, and some of the people you THINK you know well. Point? 
Someone pulled the old "Wrestling Is Fake" shit out of their ass, huh? Yeah, it's fucking fake. So is every popular show you watch on TV, every movie you go see in theatres, and some of the people you THINK you know well. Point?
btw..you guys do a great job in this thread keeping me up to date on the wrestling scene keep it coming #PROPS
I don't even want to watch tonight..Punk lost as well as his momentum (in my mind). And Cena is going to be all over the damn place, yet again...
MAJOR PLANS FOR RAW THROWN OUT AS MAJOR NAME WON'T BE THERE
by Mike Johnson @ 4:13 PM on 4/8/2013
This is all developing as I write this, but WWE is working re-write massive parts of tonight's Raw as The Rock is not there as originally planned.
The word backstage is that he left for Los Angeles this morning. WWE sources indicate this caught the company completely off guard and there's a lot of heat on Rock at the moment.
This is not a planned angle to sell Rock being upset over losing the WWE title. He was worked into their plans going forward and there had been talk of shooting a major angle with Rock to begin building Wrestlemania 30, possibly an angle with Undertaker or Brock Lesnar (we've heard both discussed but mostly Lesnar) and all that is out the window now.
WHAT WWE HAD BOOKED FOR RAW THAT IS NOW OUT THE WINDOWby Mike Johnson @ 4:20 PM on 4/8/2013
The original script for Raw was set to feature The Rock opening the show with a promo about losing the WWE title to John Cena.
The promo would have led to Brock Lesnar and Paul Heyman confronting Rock and laying him out, setting the seeds for a future PPV bout between the two.
With Rock bolting home without notice, WWE is currently re-writing the show. It's "chaos backstage" according to one talent we've heard from.
POSSIBLE REASON ROCK IS NOT AT RAWby Mike Johnson @ 6:42 PM on 4/8/2013
One source close to The Rock is saying that the reason he is not at tonight's Raw is that he told people that he was hurt in last night's match against John Cena and he is going to get it looked at. It's a story making the rounds, take it as such. None of the workers we spoke has heard it. More as we hear it.
While I've hated nearly the entire way they've used him since his return, I really hope this is a big misunderstanding and not Rock pulling a diva stunt. We were just talking about how he's one of the few guys with a good rep among other wrestlers.
by Mike Johnson @ 4:13 PM on 4/8/2013
This is all developing as I write this, but WWE is working re-write massive parts of tonight's Raw as The Rock is not there as originally planned.
The word backstage is that he left for Los Angeles this morning. WWE sources indicate this caught the company completely off guard and there's a lot of heat on Rock at the moment.
This is not a planned angle to sell Rock being upset over losing the WWE title. He was worked into their plans going forward and there had been talk of shooting a major angle with Rock to begin building Wrestlemania 30, possibly an angle with Undertaker or Brock Lesnar (we've heard both discussed but mostly Lesnar) and all that is out the window now.
WHAT WWE HAD BOOKED FOR RAW THAT IS NOW OUT THE WINDOWby Mike Johnson @ 4:20 PM on 4/8/2013
The original script for Raw was set to feature The Rock opening the show with a promo about losing the WWE title to John Cena.
The promo would have led to Brock Lesnar and Paul Heyman confronting Rock and laying him out, setting the seeds for a future PPV bout between the two.
With Rock bolting home without notice, WWE is currently re-writing the show. It's "chaos backstage" according to one talent we've heard from.
POSSIBLE REASON ROCK IS NOT AT RAWby Mike Johnson @ 6:42 PM on 4/8/2013
One source close to The Rock is saying that the reason he is not at tonight's Raw is that he told people that he was hurt in last night's match against John Cena and he is going to get it looked at. It's a story making the rounds, take it as such. None of the workers we spoke has heard it. More as we hear it.
While I've hated nearly the entire way they've used him since his return, I really hope this is a big misunderstanding and not Rock pulling a diva stunt. We were just talking about how he's one of the few guys with a good rep among other wrestlers.
I was watching anyway because it's Monday night wrestling is a 20 yr tradition with me but I'm really interested now.
Wow, don't tell me Dwayne bitched up..If you're hurt, then at least say something. But you don't bolt without notice. Even more so when he finally got the roster on his side..
