Bill That Ties Welfare to School Grades
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I live in a totally different state and still know dozens of people exactly like you just described.The sad thing is that we end up advocating for people like that and the cycle continues.Her kids will be exactly like her and the kids of them will be like them.At some point we have to take the titty away from the grown ass babies."Welfare" shoul be temporary anyway for any able bodied person.As it is, its paying for these mothers who are home all day who watch TV,feed their kids fast food,and couldn't care less about their studies.Like I said, PTA numbers in the hood is ridiculously low.Why? because they aren't involved or care.We can point to the schools,but immigrants are thriving in those same schools.IMO the family structure has more to do with scholastic success than the quality of schools.If the school curriculum was harder,many of those kids would still fail due to not being able to keep up.A kid that comes home,eats a Big Mac,then plays video games all evening and watches TV until 2am and wakes up at 7am really can't compete with a kid who comes home,eats a healthy home cooked meal,is assisted with homework for 2 hrs, then put to bed at 7pm to wake up at 7am.
Yes foodstamps and welfare goes to alot of People who don't need it. If your getting $400 a month from your baby daddy why you need tax payers money. If you so hungry why you buying $500 wedding cakes with your stamps. If tax payers pay for childcare, why are you not at work? If life is so hard why are you pushing a SRT-8. These are all good questions but I rather these better:
If we give you billions of dollars in tax breaks why is gas so high?
If your company is bringing in record profits why are your wages so low and you refuse to hire people?
Why are you willing to spend millions of tax payers dollars on one man who is locked up for a non violent crime?
I think we need to put the carrot in front of the lawmakers first. Then we can start with the people at the bottom.
If we give you billions of dollars in tax breaks why is gas so high?
If your company is bringing in record profits why are your wages so low and you refuse to hire people?
Why are you willing to spend millions of tax payers dollars on one man who is locked up for a non violent crime?
I think we need to put the carrot in front of the lawmakers first. Then we can start with the people at the bottom.
Good idea, but watch at the awful execution.
Too many factors that tie into why kids have poor scores in the first place. But I don't disagree that parents should be more involved, or at least show more of a presence. I would like to think at the core this is what this is about. But this argument has been hashed to death here before.
OAN, I would like to say I see what James sees. All the time. And hell yeah it pisses me off. I don't care what may or may not be theirs. I got to contend with working and being afraid of furloughs and scared Sallie Mae gonna ask me for more money, while Qui Qui get to have three boxes of corn dogs, some 24 packs of cokes, crackers, cookies, and everything else that doesn't make a complete dinner.
I'd be content with just enough berries to last for a week.
I've heard more black women who don't have children and have student loans say what you are saying. Of course, they don't admit it out in open.
They feel they have busted ass and did things right, so why should Qui Qui get help. I'm talking women in the 23-28 age range without children. Folks are graduating $30,000 or more in the hole while coming from the same backgrounds. Meanwhile, they are struggling despite doing things right.
They know they have relatives milking the system. It just seems a lot of women who made the right choices have contempt for those who didn't. They just rarely speak on it.
I haven't read any of the comments in the thread, but if they giving out more welfare money for bringing home good grades, I don't see what the problem is. Thanks Obama!
I'll speak on it.
It's not so much as contempt because they made the wrong choices, I just don't understand why I can't get the same aid when I get MORE taken from me (taxes, insurance, etc). If the whole purpose was to get you on your feet and to TRY HARDER if you really need the help give it to those that are actually trying. I'll even go so far as to put this on college students, who if lucky will maybe get 30 bucks in food stamps. What the hell you gonna do with 30 bucks a month on food?
But I don't want to derail, I just thought James was on point with some things. (For the record though, I don't see any good coming out of this bill.)
Those women wasn't tought the game right either. 4 years of basket weaving cost the same as a nursing degree, engineering degree and, computer science degree. I know the same type of women u speak of. Most of them think having a degree automatically means $100.000 a year.
The first simester 80% of them are going to be nurses. 4 years later most of them are graduating in elementary education or some bullshit business degree.
and you are holding the kids responsible for the actions of the parents..
creating another generation to fail ?
kids need nutrition to learn.....holding their nutrition hostage is setting them up not to succeed
I haven't read any of the comments in the thread, but if they giving out more welfare money for bringing home good grades, I don't see what the problem is. Thanks Obama!
Ok, I just read the article. Strike my previous comments. Welfare money should be free and not tied to any benchmarks. Otherwise it wouldn't be welfare now would it.
*takes another sip from his cup of goose*
cosign
Cuttign 30% from welfare wont hurt the kids..
First off the parents not spending the welfare money correct in the first place.
here in GA they did a story on those TANIF (or whatever u call it) debit cards.
kind of like those FEMA cards they gave out during katrina.
so since they started the new debit card route, the state gets to see where the money is being spent at.
guess where..
liquor stores
gas stations
strip clubs (yes really)
mary k
casinos (out of state, yes really)
bbq joints
and other hole in the wall spots.
folks need to wake the fuck up and relize, welfare and shit, its NOT suppose to be permeant.
I get what your saying, but it still comes down to choices. We have a high ass out-of-wedlock birth rate(which is a choice). Women who make the right choices aren't celebrated. People don't want to hear about the struggles of a college-educated black woman who doesn't have kids.
Where are all the stories about childless black women struggling with student loans? Good luck with that television show or movie. Meanwhile, if you were to have a kid at 18 and struggle, you become a hero. Go figure.
Black women get into nursing. It's quite common. They still have loans to pay back. They still sacrifice. Women in general don't take engineering or computer science. A lot of women tend to go to business, social work, or education.
Regardless, they still have to pay back loans. They still have to struggle. Meanwhile, they probably know relatives getting over.
update to my last post:
about welfare $ spent at casinos and shit.
missouri:
http://www.kctv5.com/story/18906923...dy-families-spent-at-vegas-casinos-strip-club
another:
http://timesdaily.com/stories/Bill-...ict-how-public-assistance-can-be-spent,193044
CA (back in 2010)
California welfare recipients withdrew $1.8 million at casino ATMs over eight months
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/25/local/la-me-welfare-casinos-20100625
Georgia (my state)
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/welfare-money-spent-on-luxury-items/nFBZq/
even CACs was spending the $ at golf resorts.
and dont get me started on the Obama phone shit
i just saw a pop up ad for it on one of the welfare news story links above.
http://www.assurancewireless.com/images/lifeline-cell-phone-Welcome.gif
guess who pays for that shit..... You do... (wait, my bad, only 50% of ya'll do).
about welfare $ spent at casinos and shit.
missouri:
http://www.kctv5.com/story/18906923...dy-families-spent-at-vegas-casinos-strip-club
another:
http://timesdaily.com/stories/Bill-...ict-how-public-assistance-can-be-spent,193044
CA (back in 2010)
California welfare recipients withdrew $1.8 million at casino ATMs over eight months
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/25/local/la-me-welfare-casinos-20100625
Georgia (my state)
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/welfare-money-spent-on-luxury-items/nFBZq/
even CACs was spending the $ at golf resorts.
and dont get me started on the Obama phone shit
i just saw a pop up ad for it on one of the welfare news story links above.
http://www.assurancewireless.com/images/lifeline-cell-phone-Welcome.gif
guess who pays for that shit..... You do... (wait, my bad, only 50% of ya'll do).
It's too much of a broad stroke right now. Every situation ain't the same. Kids do need nutrition but don't act like you havnt been behind a chick with two carts full of cookies chips and ghetto juice. Get to the counter and pull out her ebt card pay for her shit then hand it off to her friend standing in line right behind her so she can pay for her cart full of bullshit to.
dont get me started on the EVEREST scam
damn school (not even a school, not accredited for shit).
You go for 6months, and in debt $30,000, and you come out and barley qualified for a $9hr medical billing job.
and NOW cacs only gonna hire you for 32hrs a week, to avoid putting you on obama care/full time status. so you went to EVEREST for no point at all. (yet STILL owe that 30k that still accrues intrest, that you can NEVER bankrupt from. (for those who dont know, you can NEVER bankrupt student loans*)
But I got kids though
But I get what you sayin. My life is pretty boring : work, homework, kids, sleep, repeat. Fun time like once a month, probly argue like every six weeks. Go fig.
Don't get me started. I got about 44 from them from their 'university' division. That's what I get for being bored and wanting to get ahead in life with a masters degree.
What I want to know though is how/will parents be helped to help their children be better students?
Yes it's out of control...
'Georgia is known as a particularly difficult state when it comes to accessing TANF. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP), in 2008-09 for every 100 poor families with children in Georgia, only eight received cash aid.'
'In Georgia, Fox 5 in Atlanta found that $150,000 in TANF cash was accessed in liquor stores, bars and nightclubs, and a probe in Michigan discovered that more than $87,000 in TANF cash had been withdrawn from a Detroit casino over a 12-month period These were among several examples that U.S. R Dave Camp, chairman of the U.S. Ways and Means Committee, listed to demonstrate the need for the change.'
'“The idea that TANF recipients are using their cash benefits on gambling sprees or drinking them away may make for sensational headlines but is not based on facts,” the Washington, D.C.,-based Center for Law and Social Policy, an advocacy group, said in a statement. A parent may withdraw funds to pay rent at an ATM located in a liquor store simply because it is the lowest-cost or most co nvenient ATM, the group says.'
'FFIS said a few states have studied the use of welfare electronic benefits at bars and casinos and found a very small percentage (less than 0.1 percent) of TANF transactions occurred at these locations. “This means that states could incur substantial costs to address an issue that does not appear to be a widespread problem,” FFIS said in a February brief.'
I hate republicans...
Ahh here comes the ignorant teabagger talking points.
But I got kids though
But I get what you sayin. My life is pretty boring : work, homework, kids, sleep, repeat. Fun time like once a month, probly argue like every six weeks. Go fig.
Don't get me started. I got about 44 from them from their 'university' division. That's what I get for being bored and wanting to get ahead in life with a masters degree.
What I want to know though is how/will parents be helped to help their children be better students?
Didn't know you had children, but your views sound similar to many black women I have known who don't have children and have loans out the ass. It's crazy, but despite doing right, they wonder what they did wrong.
They are too young to see the benefits. They only see other people getting over while they are working hard. But that's a conversation they can't have during the holidays.
Kats need to stop bullshitin' with themselves....
Yes folks are generalizing but generalization also have truths. We all know folks (especially if ya grew up in and/or around the hood). People doing what this person is saying. We need to stop coming up with every excuse to keep our people down. Enough of the kid glove approach. We been doing that for too long now. Like republicans holding on the trickle down economics. In the end it aint helping us.
I see both sides of the argument. Seen the type of shit ATL is talking about and basic sense tell you it really aint someone elses car, they very well could be throwin a party with all the shit they just bought with the card, and yess them fuckers do be hood fly as hell with the weaves, new Js, nails and the whole nine. Hell I remember when I was in college, my roomates lady would borrow her sisters EBT card and we would go shoping with that shit.(mailed that shit back and forth) So Ive seen/been apart of people abusing it, so not one muthafucka in here can tell me it doesnt happen, and happen often.
On the other hand I dont think people understand exactly how broke you have to be to qualify for public assistance. A 12 dollar an hour job is too much to qualify for Wic from what I hear. So if a bitch with 3 kids choses to use her taxes and buy a flashy car, with some gaudy rims.
Because Id bet money her living situation is shitty at best. You cant worry about what other people do with their money, even more so in this case. Because while they may be superstars the first week of the month, them muthafuckas are struggle liiiiiiiiiiiiing after 3 weeks. But the ones who suffer in that instance are the kids... The kids cant really change anything so Im not for punishing them for having ghetto ass parents. Because of that fact Im torn. Im not pro, or against things like this.
Personally, I don't think I did anything wrong. I made my grades, went to school, graduated, tried to be better. When I needed help and was told that I could get help until I found a job I got food stamps. No money like TANF. Don't know why. Those two years I'm convinced only those who get TANF got the inside track. Then I get a job and still need some help (cause dammit the government don't pay shit) and I feel worse than ever.
Unless I hustle two more jobs, lie on my taxes, take another legitimate one - that's the only way I can get that $600 dollar coach bag.
I'd much rather worry why I can't pay those damn exorbitant fees to take my children to the fuckin Aquarium.
Where does this 30% savings go? Does it go back into public education or does it get put towards tax cuts for the rich? The poor in this country get scraps as it is and they are proposing taking some away as an incentive? Really?
bad as this seems, it doesnt compare to corporate welfare.
Excellent!!!!!
you are right... too much that bullshit grants for this, grants for that...
you right, they wanna cut 30% of $300. to save $100 a month from someone whos kids just made a few D's on his report card, dont compare to a corprate tax break , or grant worth a few hundred grand, if not millions. (this happens all the time)..
Like how governors get new companies to come to town.. (such as Kia, MB, automakers, and large factories) to come to a state.
Walmart is known for this..
They will open a new store, after a local city offers them (x bonus) such as 10yrs lower property taxes, or something off.
then guess what they do after that 10yrs and 0 days is up. they leave. close down, or open a new location, right across the street.
or they will hold hostage the small town usa, and threaten to leave completely.
because 9yrs ago they already ranned away the small town pharmacy, sporting goods shop, and mom and paw stores. so now all this city has is the walmart for a (sales tax) base. and the city will be screwed if they leave.
they should cut foodstamps to all these foreign cacs dat live in these million dollar condo's in ny..yep stay seeing these foreign rich motherfuckers pulling out there ebt cards holding up da line for us cash buyers at the supermarket, corner stores, pharmacy...oops bgol members prob won't have a problem with a bunch of rich cacs taking advantage of da system though..cutting a kid food supply yes dis allowing rich cacs to get free shit no
Just the beginning of the list.
Of course. Black folks can make you sad at our urge to show our superiority over other Black folks.
So two sets of poor families got fed off one card. Sounds like a deal to me.
They just had a good discussion on nutrition and hunger on Bill Maher two weeks ago and this was addressed. When your transportation and money is limited, you buy stuff that's going to last and you can store, which often isn't the most nutritious of food items but some of the highest in calories.
A LOT of assumptions here.
Everyone here knows actual welfare is temporary, right? I can't be the only one who remembers the reform battles of the 90s.
for the record, this is not an attempt to attack black families. There are far more white folks on welfare than black folks.
and you best better believe that parents will be on their kids asses about doing well in school if it will effect their pockets. its about time someone took a stand to get parents back involved in their children's schooling.
and you best better believe that parents will be on their kids asses about doing well in school if it will effect their pockets. its about time someone took a stand to get parents back involved in their children's schooling.
yes, welfare is temporary. however, there are families have live lived on welfare for generations. I have family members like that. three generations on welfare. strictly living off of the government for three generations. its crazy. and all three generations are not that well educated and the last two are hooked on some type of drug be it alcohol or "other."
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Right and I understand shit can happen in life and everyone would like a safety net. But to reiterate I dont think people understand how little you have to do to be overqualified for govt assistance. So when you see people living off the shit for year and years, its hard to feel bad for them because any kind of move will likely take them off it. That tells me they arent even tryin to do better. In which case if you dont want to do better, you dont deserve what you have. If they shit was clear and say and hard line. you get 18 months of govt assistance to make some real moves to get off it. After 18 months its a warp. I bet more muthafuckas would actually try to get off that shit.
Amendments in the bill.
http://thegrio.com/2013/04/01/tennessee-bill-welfare-benefits-depend-on-childs-school-performance/
http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Amend/SA0270.pdf
"Amendments have been made to the original legislation to exclude students with learning disabilities and those who have an individualized education program (IEP) from being penalized for not maintaining satisfactory academic progress. Instead, special education students will be measured on school attendance.
“There are no amendments that will make this bill okay,” Johnson said. “There just aren’t.”
Further amendments also provide four ways the reduction can be restored once it is applied to a family’s payments. Attending two parent teacher conferences, eight hours of parenting classes, enrolling the child in a tutoring program, or enrolling the child in summer school are the available options.
“There’s all kinds of loopholes,” Rep. Turner said, noting that homeschooling is addressed in the Senate version but is not addressed in the House bill. ”No Democrats will vote for the bill.”
The House Health Committee, of which Johnson, Dennis, and Turner are members, is set to vote on the bill April 3.
If passed, SB 132 will take effect on July 1, 2013, just in time for the 2013-2014 school year.
theGrio.com reached out to Sen. Campfield and Rep. Dennis for comment, but our calls have not yet been returned."
http://thegrio.com/2013/04/01/tennessee-bill-welfare-benefits-depend-on-childs-school-performance/
http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Amend/SA0270.pdf
"Amendments have been made to the original legislation to exclude students with learning disabilities and those who have an individualized education program (IEP) from being penalized for not maintaining satisfactory academic progress. Instead, special education students will be measured on school attendance.
“There are no amendments that will make this bill okay,” Johnson said. “There just aren’t.”
Further amendments also provide four ways the reduction can be restored once it is applied to a family’s payments. Attending two parent teacher conferences, eight hours of parenting classes, enrolling the child in a tutoring program, or enrolling the child in summer school are the available options.
“There’s all kinds of loopholes,” Rep. Turner said, noting that homeschooling is addressed in the Senate version but is not addressed in the House bill. ”No Democrats will vote for the bill.”
The House Health Committee, of which Johnson, Dennis, and Turner are members, is set to vote on the bill April 3.
If passed, SB 132 will take effect on July 1, 2013, just in time for the 2013-2014 school year.
theGrio.com reached out to Sen. Campfield and Rep. Dennis for comment, but our calls have not yet been returned."
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