Bill That Ties Welfare to School Grades

[gene cisco]

A LOT of assumptions here.

Everyone here knows actual welfare is temporary, right? I can't be the only one who remembers the reform battles of the 90s.

It is? I have a family member who has been on stamps for so many years I've lost count. What is temporary to you? 10 Years? So far as I know, she still has section 8 too. Which means the government picks up part of her housing tab. She has had that for quite some time. All she has to do is get up breathe(disability foots other costs). It's as if she retired in her 20s. A lot of her friends are like that. So are a good deal of her neighbors(by her own words). Can't knock the hustle. Most people work 40 years to retire.

What about folks who try to get their kids to be labeled with a disability so they can just get a check? Hell, chicks know how to put themselves on disability. Then they ball out when the back pay comes. It's typical hood shit.

I don't know why cats act as if all this is uncommon. Abusing the system is having a child while you already in the system(no reason for that shit today with modern birth control methods). If it's temporary, how the fuck you having kids if you already in?

 

[Upgrade Dave]

for the record, this is not an attempt to attack black families. There are far more white folks on welfare than black folks.

and you best better believe that parents will be on their kids asses about doing well in school if it will effect their pockets. its about time someone took a stand to get parents back involved in their children's schooling.

This isnt that. This is another political attack on poor people. Poorer children that dont do well in school tend to come from bad circumstances, including but not exclusively poor parents. This bill doesn't make parents better or any other extenuating circumstances better.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

It is? I have a family member who has been on stamps for so many years I've lost count. What is temporary to you? 10 Years? So far as I know, she still has section 8 too. Which means the government picks up part of her housing tab. She has had that for quite some time. All she has to do is get up breathe(disability foots other costs). It's as if she retired in her 20s. A lot of her friends are like that. So are a good deal of her neighbors(by her own words). Can't knock the hustle. Most people work 40 years to retire.

What about folks who try to get their kids to be labeled with a disability so they can just get a check? Hell, chicks know how to put themselves on disability. Then they ball out when the back pay comes. It's typical hood shit.

I don't know why cats act as if all this is uncommon. Abusing the system is having a child while you already in the system(no reason for that shit today with modern birth control methods). If it's temporary, how the fuck you having kids if you already in?

You said food stamps. To my knowledge, you can qualify for food stamps for a long time. This is looks to be about direct cash payments hence the name of the program TANF-Temporary Aid for Needy Families.

Ya'll kill me always focusing on and picking low hanging fruit. Fucking GE got a multi million dollar tax refund while my family owed a couple thousand. That shit worries me. Some single mom getting over to the tune of a few hundred dollars a month means dick to me because I wouldn't trade my life for her's for anything.

 

[gene cisco]

You said food stamps. To my knowledge, you can qualify for food stamps for a long time. This is looks to be about direct cash payments hence the name of the program TANF-Temporary Aid for Needy Families.

Ya'll kill me always focusing on and picking low hanging fruit. Fucking GE got a multi million dollar tax refund while my family owed a couple thousand. That shit worries me. Some single mom getting over to the tune of a few hundred dollars a month means dick to me because I wouldn't trade my life for her's for anything.

Stamps are still welfare.

And folks kill me acting as if destabilization of the black family and community is a fucking joke. Fuck GE. Companies been getting over forever. Cats need to stop acting like welfare ABUSE doesn't make it easier to destabilize black homes and the community. Uncle Sam has basically created a farm system and all cats can do is talk about corporations who have been getting over since the days railroads were big.

We have a system that encourages the removal of the man from the household. It leads to a lot of young men running around with the streets raising them. That shit isn't good.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Stamps are still welfare.

To you. The majority of people receiving food stamps work, many full time.
Either way, that's not what we're talking about and welfare, as this bill is describing, is temporary.

And folks kill me acting as if destabilization of the black family and community is a fucking joke. Fuck GE. Companies been getting over forever. Cats need to stop acting like welfare ABUSE doesn't make it easier to destabilize black homes and the community. Uncle Sam has basically created a farm system and all cats can do is talk about corporations who have been getting over since the days railroads were big.

We have a system that encourages the removal of the man from the household. It leads to a lot of young men running around with the streets raising them. That shit isn't good.

Pure nonsense. Most Black folks aren't on welfare. Most Black folks are abusing welfare. That's not an opinion, that's math.
There is no system leading to young men being raised by the streets, it's immature people not raising their kids that do that, whether it's an absent father or a might as well be absent mother.
But it's so easy to be mad over some little change and it makes a lot of Black folks feel good to look down on other Black folks that they'll focus on someone else's situation they know nothing about than actually attacking the institutions they know are behind many of the ills they claim to abhor so much.

 

[BKF]

But it's so easy to be mad over some little change and it makes a lot of Black folks feel good to look down on other Black folks that they'll focus on someone else's situation they know nothing about than actually attacking the institutions they know are behind many of the ills they claim to abhor so much.

I can't speak for others but this is not my position. I see welfare as a tool used to stagnate the upward mobility of my people. Coddling folks isn't going to make that situation any better. We as black folks need to move on from being the enablers of the poor and start being the enabler of achievement.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I can't speak for others but this is not my position. I see welfare as a tool used to stagnate the upward mobility of my people. Coddling folks isn't going to make that situation any better. We as black folks need to move on from being the enablers of the poor and start being the enabler of achievement.

When did we stop? We were property not that relatively long ago and we just reelected a man who would have only more recently been allowed to vote. We are where we are because we keep progressing. There are and will always be those left behind or just flat out doing shitty. Can't be helped, no such thing as a 100% of any people where everyone is doing well. But if welfare is supposed to be stagnating Black folks, it's failed.

 

[BKF]

When did we stop? We were property not that relatively long ago and we just reelected a man who would have only more recently been allowed to vote. We are where we are because we keep progressing. There are and will always be those left behind or just flat out doing shitty. Can't be helped, no such thing as a 100% of any people where everyone is doing well. But if welfare is supposed to be stagnating Black folks, it's failed.

Correct..it will never be a 100% for any group but the AA community is in deep poverty. We have a high percentage of issues for a small percentage of the population. We have continued to survive but not really/totally progressed. We tend to live in a comfort zone and stay there for too long.The black middle class was affected greatly because we never progressed passed government jobs and using homes as our wealth.

This bill wouldn't be a problem for the black community if the percentage of black folks on assistance wasn't so high. If school systems/districts in our communities were filled with a large percentage of failing/underachieving students. No matter what state you go to. You'll find the issues of black folk to be pretty much monolithic. We put ourselves in a position to be treat badly. So when the the strings are pulled. We are always on the hook.

 

[gene cisco]

To you. The majority of people receiving food stamps work, many full time.
Either way, that's not what we're talking about and welfare, as this bill is describing, is temporary.



Pure nonsense. Most Black folks aren't on welfare. Most Black folks are abusing welfare. That's not an opinion, that's math.
There is no system leading to young men being raised by the streets, it's immature people not raising their kids that do that, whether it's an absent father or a might as well be absent mother.
But it's so easy to be mad over some little change and it makes a lot of Black folks feel good to look down on other Black folks that they'll focus on someone else's situation they know nothing about than actually attacking the institutions they know are behind many of the ills they claim to abhor so much.

We only got here because you falsely stated welfare was temporary.

When did I ever say most black people were on welfare? Don't believe I stated that.

But if you want to live in a fantasy world where welfare abuse doesn't help fuel the high ass out-of-wedlock birthrate, the high ass teen birthrate, and kids being raised by the street, do you. Enabling situations or deflecting doesn't help a damn thing.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Correct..it will never be a 100% for any group but the AA community is in deep poverty. We have a high percentage of issues for a small percentage of the population. We have continued to survive but not really/totally progressed. We tend to live in a comfort zone and stay there for too long.The black middle class was affected greatly because we never progressed passed government jobs and using homes as our wealth.

This bill wouldn't be a problem for the black community if the percentage of black folks on assistance wasn't so high. If school systems/districts in our communities were filled with a large percentage of failing/underachieving students. No matter what state you go to. You'll find the issues of black folk to be pretty much monolithic. We put ourselves in a position to be treat badly. So when the the strings are pulled. We are always on the hook.

Not much to argue with here but my issue is the idea that it's welfare that's stagnating Black progress. The housing crisis stagnated Black wealth. The government cutting jobs during a deep recession and in the recovery when it should be adding jobs or at least maintaining stagnates Black folks. Wage stagnation stagnates Black people. Black people not spending our money with Black businesses stagnates Black people.

We only got here because you falsely stated welfare was temporary.

Nothing false at all in what I said. You're lumping food stamps in with direct cash payments and that's not the topic. In this particular case, food stamps are not the assistance program in question.

When did I ever say most black people were on welfare? Don't believe I stated that.

But if you want to live in a fantasy world where welfare abuse doesn't help fuel the high ass out-of-wedlock birthrate, the high ass teen birthrate, and kids being raised by the street, do you. Enabling situations or deflecting doesn't help a damn thing.

People not getting married fuels the high out of wedlock birthrate and that's just a prevalent in working couples and singles with children, so how does welfare abuse affect them? The teen birthrate has been relatively low for Black teenager girls for a while now. Still relatively high but lower now than it was in the 80s and 90s when we grew up. So something else is going on there and it has nothing to do with welfare abuse.
Mislabeling and misunderstanding problems and issues not only doesn't help, it actually does harm because it allows people to misdirect time and energy while feeling like they care.

 

[Q004]

Welfare is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't type things. If you've been to a third world country where this no welfare, seeing in people in such poverty is saddening... little kids having to beg for food is no pretty sight... and the exploitation that people can face when they become that poor is nothing nice either. I don't think most people would want to see that type of desperation in America, especially when it has the resources to not let people be in third world poverty.

However, it is a valid argument that welfare had a bad effect on the black family.... you can clearly see that it made it so that many women would have no desire to find a good man to marry or keep a household together... and the mind state is pervasive in the culture even for people who aren't on welfare, but welfare was the biggest creator of the mind state regardless.

Still, I'd say overall the break down of the family is probably a lesser evil than third world poverty.

 

[Q004]

I can't speak for others but this is not my position. I see welfare as a tool used to stagnate the upward mobility of my people. Coddling folks isn't going to make that situation any better. We as black folks need to move on from being the enablers of the poor and start being the enabler of achievement.

Even if you eliminated welfare, there would still be rich and poor. Welfare didn't create poor people. There will always be poor people.

 

[oolong tea]

Oh my God! This is fantastic news! Only problem with this situation is that rarely are the kids being motivated at home. No cot damn books at home. Mom and Dad are never found reading. Either exhausted from work to focus on a book. The television set always on at all hours. People screaming, shouting, playing. No respect for study hours. No one capable of helping the kids with their homework. No community tutors at the ready. Above all else, folks are ridiculed for being attentive in class. A lot of single parent pussy is going to be thrown at them teachers, that's for sure.

 

[qseal00]

Just have the welfare checks passed out weekly at the PTA meetings.

Problem solved.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Oh my God! This is fantastic news! Only problem with this situation is that rarely are the kids being motivated at home. No cot damn books at home. Mom and Dad are never found reading. Either exhausted from work to focus on a book. The television set always on at all hours. People screaming, shouting, playing. No respect for study hours. No one capable of helping the kids with their homework. No community tutors at the ready. Above all else, folks are ridiculed for being attentive in class. A lot of single parent pussy is going to be thrown at them teachers, that's for sure.

If all of this is true, why is this "fantastic" news? You're cutting people's funding without actually fixing the problem that hurting their children's education, in effect, making the problem worse.

Welfare is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't type things. If you've been to a third world country where this no welfare, seeing in people in such poverty is saddening... little kids having to beg for food is no pretty sight... and the exploitation that people can face when they become that poor is nothing nice either. I don't think most people would want to see that type of desperation in America, especially when it has the resources to not let people be in third world poverty.

However, it is a valid argument that welfare had a bad effect on the black family.... you can clearly see that it made it so that many women would have no desire to find a good man to marry or keep a household together... and the mind state is pervasive in the culture even for people who aren't on welfare, but welfare was the biggest creator of the mind state regardless.

Still, I'd say overall the break down of the family is probably a lesser evil than third world poverty.

I don't even think it's a valid argument. I used to when I was younger. But then, having thought about it more and basing it more on what I actually observed and less on what I thought, who are these women who knowingly choose to have children, be poor, and actively do not want to have a husband/stable family to raise her children in? Who are these women who do not want a husband and the income that comes with that and would prefer to be on public assistance? And why does anyone thing they're the majority?

 

[oolong tea]

If all of this is true, why is this "fantastic" news? You're cutting people's funding without actually fixing the problem that hurting their children's education, in effect, making the problem worse.

Huh? Now highlight the second sentence of my post.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Huh? Now highlight the second sentence of my post.

I didn't highlight that part of your post.
If it wasn't for the I would have thought you were being sarcastic.

 

[veritech]

This isnt that. This is another political attack on poor people. Poorer children that dont do well in school tend to come from bad circumstances, including but not exclusively poor parents. This bill doesn't make parents better or any other extenuating circumstances better.

and who is at fault for that? these parents need to improve their circumstances. children can learn even in poor schools and it is up to the parents to make sure that THEIR kids are learning and prospering. the parents are the bottom line. not the gov't.

 

[veritech]

Stamps are still welfare.

And folks kill me acting as if destabilization of the black family and community is a fucking joke. Fuck GE. Companies been getting over forever. Cats need to stop acting like welfare ABUSE doesn't make it easier to destabilize black homes and the community. Uncle Sam has basically created a farm system and all cats can do is talk about corporations who have been getting over since the days railroads were big.

We have a system that encourages the removal of the man from the household. It leads to a lot of young men running around with the streets raising them. That shit isn't good.

preach. people really don't understand that welfare promotes the destabilization of the black community.

 

[veritech]

But if you want to live in a fantasy world where welfare abuse doesn't help fuel the high ass out-of-wedlock birthrate, the high ass teen birthrate, and kids being raised by the street, do you. Enabling situations or deflecting doesn't help a damn thing.

anyone that is missing this really doesn't know the history and statistics.

 

[Q004]

I don't even think it's a valid argument. I used to when I was younger. But then, having thought about it more and basing it more on what I actually observed and less on what I thought, who are these women who knowingly choose to have children, be poor, and actively do not want to have a husband/stable family to raise her children in? Who are these women who do not want a husband and the income that comes with that and would prefer to be on public assistance? And why does anyone thing they're the majority?

If you ever lived in poorer areas, seeing chicks that do stupid shit so they can rely on public assistance is far from uncommon. No one is saying that they're the majority, we're saying that welfare made it more socially acceptable to be like that.

 

[Stick2dascript]

nither approach to support the prison industry complex. If the republicans destroy public school does that mean school is now privatized and strictly for profit?

 

[BKF]

Even if you eliminated welfare, there would still be rich and poor. Welfare didn't create poor people. There will always be poor people.

There is and always will be two main categories.

Rich - upper middle class - upper class
Poor - dirt poor - poor - working poor -middle class

Btw I don't want to get rid of welfare. I want my people to use it properly and move on/away from it. Welfare didn't create poor blacks but it maintained the poverty within the black community.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

and who is at fault for that? these parents need to improve their circumstances. children can learn even in poor schools and it is up to the parents to make sure that THEIR kids are learning and prospering. the parents are the bottom line. not the gov't.

No disagreement here on that but this bill doesn't address that issue in the slightest.

anyone that is missing this really doesn't know the history and statistics.

Actually, cosigning this shows that you two don't know history or statistics.

preach. people really don't understand that welfare promotes the destabilization of the black community.

No, it doesn't. There are plenty of forces that do that with welfare programs not being on the list.

 

[BDR]

Good this will affect more of them cacs in Tenn who are on welfare

 

[gene cisco]

Nothing false at all in what I said. You're lumping food stamps in with direct cash payments and that's not the topic. In this particular case, food stamps are not the assistance program in question.



People not getting married fuels the high out of wedlock birthrate and that's just a prevalent in working couples and singles with children, so how does welfare abuse affect them? The teen birthrate has been relatively low for Black teenager girls for a while now. Still relatively high but lower now than it was in the 80s and 90s when we grew up. So something else is going on there and it has nothing to do with welfare abuse.
Mislabeling and misunderstanding problems and issues not only doesn't help, it actually does harm because it allows people to misdirect time and energy while feeling like they care.

People were discussing welfare in general. People were discussing generations making it a lifestyle. You chimed in talking about welfare being temporary.

Relatively high isn't the word for the teen birth rate or out-of-wedlock. It's way too high. There isn't any reason whatsoever it shouldn't be close to the white teen birthrate. And how do teens without money pay for kids? How does a single 20-year-old woman working a 7/hr job pay for a child? To act as if welfare abuse doesn't play into irresponsible lifestyle choices isn't being honest.

And folks aren't talking down to the poor. People were poor when we had families. Welfare abuse helps people make irresponsible choices that end up affecting the whole community. Abuse helps destroy families. Without families, how does a stable community exist?

We're still stuck in the "eugenics" phase of the white system. They ain't on that. They are on fueling the irresponsible and keeping the community destabilized. They aren't fueling their prison industrial complex with black folks from stable, two-parent homes.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

People were discussing welfare in general. People were discussing generations making it a lifestyle. You chimed in talking about welfare being temporary.

I did because people were circulating the wrong information like 90s welfare reform hadn't happened. Like people haven't been and don't get kicked off assistance rolls all the time after they've used up their benefits.

Relatively high isn't the word for the teen birth rate or out-of-wedlock. It's way too high. There isn't any reason whatsoever it shouldn't be close to the white teen birthrate. And how do teens without money pay for kids? How does a single 20-year-old woman working a 7/hr job pay for a child? To act as if welfare abuse doesn't play into irresponsible lifestyle choices isn't being honest.

This whole paragraph is dishonest. How do teens pay for their kids? They don't, they're parents do. A girl two houses down from mine had a baby in high school. Maybe she gets some assistance, I don't know but she lives with her mother, who works. That's who pays for those children.
If you're a single woman working a $7/hr job, how are you abusing welfare if you receive assistance? And in her case, where's the father?

And folks aren't talking down to the poor. People were poor when we had families. Welfare abuse helps people make irresponsible choices that end up affecting the whole community. Abuse helps destroy families. Without families, how does a stable community exist?

We're still stuck in the "eugenics" phase of the white system. They ain't on that. They are on fueling the irresponsible and keeping the community destabilized. They aren't fueling their prison industrial complex with black folks from stable, two-parent homes.

If your family is stable, receiving assistance will not destabilize it so the problem isn't welfare, it's an unhealthy family structure.

 

[gene cisco]

If you ever lived in poorer areas, seeing chicks that do stupid shit so they can rely on public assistance is far from uncommon. No one is saying that they're the majority, we're saying that welfare made it more socially acceptable to be like that.

Exactly. And those same ignorant chicks -- whether it is in the trailer park or the hood -- are the ones raising the kids who are out until all kinds of hours creating community chaos.

There is and always will be two main categories.

Rich - upper middle class - upper class
Poor - dirt poor - poor - working poor -middle class

Btw I don't want to get rid of welfare. I want my people to use it properly and move on/away from it. Welfare didn't create poor blacks but it maintained the poverty within the black community.

Exactly. I think welfare is great when properly used. What is abuse? Getting pregnant and having a baby when you are already in the system with a child. Being unmarried, getting pregnant, having a child, and letting welfare pay for it all. All of that shit is irresponsible behavior in this day and age of readily available birth control.

When properly used, welfare is a great tool to help a person and/or family survive tough times.

 

[gene cisco]

This whole paragraph is dishonest. How do teens pay for their kids? They don't, they're parents do. A girl two houses down from mine had a baby in high school. Maybe she gets some assistance, I don't know but she lives with her mother, who works. That's who pays for those children.
If you're a single woman working a $7/hr job, how are you abusing welfare if you receive assistance? And in her case, where's the father?



If your family is stable, receiving assistance will not destabilize it so the problem isn't welfare, it's an unhealthy family structure.

Don't use exceptions to the rule. In most cases, middle class families aren't accepting teen pregnancy. They will run that girl to the abortion clinic. White middle class folks definitely ain't going for it. They find that shit embarrassing(thus the low out-of-wedlock and teen birth rates). Where is the daddy? That's the point Dave. No reason to give a shit about the daddy if Uncle Sam has their back.

I'm not talking about two-parent homes(or a divorcee) that fall on hard times and then get on assistance. I'm talking about people who have to be at the welfare office the first trimester of pregnancy with no father in sight.

 

[BKF]

I did because people were circulating the wrong information like 90s welfare reform hadn't happened. Like people haven't been and don't get kicked off assistance rolls all the time after they've used up their benefits.

The problem is the bill was weakened over time and given loopholes. Which allowed people to extend their time on welfare.

 

[BKF]

Don't use exceptions to the rule. In most cases, middle class families aren't accepting teen pregnancy. They will run that girl to the abortion clinic. White middle class folks definitely ain't going for it. They find that shit embarrassing(thus the low out-of-wedlock and teen birth rates). Where is the daddy? That's the point Dave. No reason to give a shit about the daddy if Uncle Sam has their back.

I'm not talking about two-parent homes(or a divorcee) that fall on hard times and then get on assistance. I'm talking about people who have to be at the welfare office the first trimester of pregnancy with no father in sight.

They either abort (through a private doctor) or put that kid up for adoption. The problem with us is that in our haste to defend folks (especially the poor and young). We've inadvertently become too accepting of bad behavior/habits and making them seem okay.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Don't use exceptions to the rule.

So you can but I can't?

In most cases, middle class families aren't accepting teen pregnancy. They will run that girl to the abortion clinic. White middle class folks definitely ain't going for it. They find that shit embarrassing(thus the low out-of-wedlock and teen birth rates). Where is the daddy? That's the point Dave. No reason to give a shit about the daddy if Uncle Sam has their back.

I know that's the point and that's the point that's wrong. The vast majority of young women don't calculate first and get pregnant, it happens in the reverse. In fact, as the dropping teen rate seems to imply, more of them are calculating first and not getting pregnant.

I'm not talking about two-parent homes(or a divorcee) that fall on hard times and then get on assistance. I'm talking about people who have to be at the welfare office the first trimester of pregnancy with no father in sight.

That's where they need to be if the father has abandoned them, gene.
And, boy it's hard to keep ya'll focused, this bill here hits everyone on assistance, whether you would consider them "abusers" or not, making a bad situation worse.

The problem is the bill was weakened over time and given loopholes. Which allowed people to extend their time on welfare.

But it's still temporary.

They either abort (through a private doctor) or put that kid up for adoption. The problem with us is that in our haste to defend folks (especially the poor and young). We've inadvertently become too accepting of bad behavior/habits and making them seem okay.

Seeing the backlog of Black children waiting for adoption, plenty of us have taken that route as well.

 

[BKF]

But it's still temporary.

It's only temporary if enforced (which most times it is not). Lets not forget that there are others forms of welfare like section 8.



Seeing the backlog of Black children waiting for adoption, plenty of us have taken that route as well.

There's a backlog because black kids are not being adopted (not even by their own). Plus many have been taken from the mother/home by a government agency.

 

[professor153]

They either abort (through a private doctor) or put that kid up for adoption. The problem with us is that in our haste to defend folks (especially the poor and young). We've inadvertently become too accepting of bad behavior/habits and making them seem okay.

Who is "we"? The only people I see defending bullshit like this are the dumb ghetto losers on this site and bootleg project bitches.

If I were governor I would make a law making it against the law to have children if you don't make a certain amount of money. For instance, an example would be something like a single mother could only have a child if she makes 35k per year or something like that... Obviously I haven't refined my idea, it's just a thought.

If the girl has a child and doesn't make the predetermined amount she will be arrested for child abuse. After all, if she can't take care of the child, it should be considered a form of abuse.

I'm tired of these ghetto bitches, especially these bum ghetto black bitches expecting the state to take care of them and their kids. The hard working tax payers are paying for these kids who turn out to be absolutely nothing...Just a bunch of hookers, criminals, gays, lesbians and failures.

Think about it...It would be a wonderful law...No more bumbling Mexicans running around with 100 kids, no more ghetto shaniqua bitches having 4 dusty, un-kept kids with 4 different fathers, no more trailer park white loser bitches with their dirty ass unfed kids... Just responsible hard working honorable people raising nice kids.

 

[gene cisco]

They either abort (through a private doctor) or put that kid up for adoption. The problem with us is that in our haste to defend folks (especially the poor and young). We've inadvertently become too accepting of bad behavior/habits and making them seem okay.

Exactly. That's why cats bring up corporate welfare every single time welfare abuse is mentioned. Corporate welfare is a different discussion.

While being more accepting of bad and irresponsible behavior, we have become much more harsh toward those who criticize it. Responsible people are called elitists.