White and non-white
Really??
What other races practiced racism
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Really??
YEAH..TIME TO MOVE THE GOALPOST !!AND TRY TO REDEFINE WHAT UR PEOPLE DID TO MY PEOPLE SO AS TO EXPIATE URSELVES OF UR FOREFATHERS SINS
I asked you a direct question and you avoid and then expect to engage me with a question of your own?
Answer this and then I answer yours, that the way a convo goes....
it does.
How can you talk about "race" being an "arbitrary definition" and you cannot define it?
Did you not post this:
Then go on to talk about the "human race"
You spoke with authority yet you admit no knowing the racial classifications you spoke of and now you are insisting that not knowing the list of "races" is not important to discussing race.
Wow
If you are asking were else is there racism.....it's kinda global. Sudan.....hell there was racism between the Hutu and Tutsi, and they are really the same people.
The fact that anyone talks about race and race is biologically indistinguishable lets you know its just part of our fear reaction of the unknown
FOLKS TRYNA MOVE THE GOALPOST AND REDEFINE WHAT RACISM IS AS IF WE DONT KNOW HISTORY AND THE BLOODSHED THAT MARKS TIME,AS IF BLACK FOLKS JUST INVENTED THE TERM AND PRACTICED IT FOR 400YRS, AS IF HUTUS & TUTSI R THE SAME AS EUROPEAN ENSLAVIN AND MURDERING AFRIKANS, ..AND TRYNNA REDEFINE RACISM .. THEN U TALK LIKE WE R THE DUMB ONES FOR NOT FALLIN FOR UR REVISIONIST HISTORY TALMBOUT "ALL HUMANS PRACTICE IT ,
GTFOHWTBS
Yep.
You disagree?
It's not according to the people that devised the concept.
Or even the classified races.
AS IF BLACK FOLKS JUST INVENTED THE TERM AND PRACTICED IT FOR 400YRS, AS IF HUTUS & TUTSI R THE SAME AS EUROPEAN ENSLAVIN AND MURDERING AFRIKANS, ..AND TRYNNA REDEFINE RACISM .. THEN U TALK LIKE WE R THE DUMB ONES FOR NOT FALLIN FOR UR REVISIONIST HISTORY TALMBOUT "ALL HUMANS PRACTICE IT ,
Europeans are more efficient at exploiting it, but others do partake.
Racism, Classism, Bigotry, Sexism, Homophobism, Prejudice are all products of HATE and DISCRIMINATION. Can Black people be racist? Not through "technical" definition, but considering our people are very much involved in the other concepts that racism is derived from, I think it would be pretty arrogant to ride the high horse. Racism is the disease of white people... but hate and discrimination are a disease of humanity.
Charlie !!?? Just be honest u r white n can't stand the hammer of justice and repercussion comin down on Europeans( even tho i personally don't pray for it, I prefer human beings to move forward but not forget and hopefully evolve as humans beyond it !!) but to sit here and say "OTHERS PARTAKE OF IT " IS JUST PLAIN DISHONEST !! RACE IS A EUROPEAN CONCEPT AND RACISM IN ITS EFECTS AND IMPLIMENTATION IS FULLY EUROPEAN BACKED & SPONSORED !! GIVE US ONE JUST ONE HISTORICAL EXAMPLE THAT Parallels WHAT EUROPEANS HAVE DONE TO AFRIKANS WORLDWIDE ?
White and non-white
Whites created "race" to classify people that were non-white
If white did NOT create race, we would not be black.
* Whites created the race classification system.
* Whites practiced racism, which is based on the race classification system.
But according to some folks, racism is not limited to just whites? Just because other 'races' supposedly adopted the race classification system does not mean that the context of its definition based on it functionality has evolved (or redefined).
NO THE HELL THEY WERE NOT !!!! if you knew the history you would know that the tutsi were the ones to oppress the hutu from before white people came. you would also know that in the 1970s the same tutsis committed genocide against the hutu. look up the burundian genocide. those fucking tutsis are snakes.
The debate is not who practiced racism the the best or who suffered the most. It is can others practice it.
partaking to whose benefit?
Who are those "partaking"?
Those that can benefit often partake.
Indians and Chinese often partake.
As do many people with of African descent that have noticeable European ancestry in them.
NO SIR , THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD IS : "What other races practiced racism " DONT CHANGE IT
PLS NAME THESE PEOPLE OF AFRICAN DESCENT ..
AND ALSO GIVE US EXAMPLES WHERE INDIANS AND CHINESE HAVE PRACTICED IT TO THEIR BENEFIT
Semantics my friend re: title... But anyway.
They practice it in Africa.
An example that you may be familiar with is Uganda.
Ps.
Capital letters denotes shouting.
I'm sure you don't mean to shout at me.
Whee the fuck did you get that bullshit?
In 1899 Rwanda effectively became a German colony under the Germany East Africa. The Germans ruled indirectly through the Mwami and his chiefs.
Having discovered that the existing kingdom functioned as a fully- fledged centralized administration even before the arrival of Europeans and also, undoubtedly, because of shortage of colonial personnel, the Germans decided from the very beginning to favor the policy of indirect rule in the form of a ‘protectorate’ achieved through a series of treaties negotiated with Umwami.
After, World War 1, subsequently in 1919 Rwanda became a mandate territory of the League of Nations under the administration of Belgium .
In 1946, after the Second World War, the country became a Belgium Trustee on behalf of the United Nations.
King Mutara III shaking hands with Baudoin
When, in 1916, Belgium occupied Ruanda-Urundi as a result of World War 1 East Africa campaign against Germany, the two kingdoms of Ruanda (Rwanda) and Urundi (Burundi) had only been marginally administered from Berlin (via Dar-as- salaam) since 1899.
For a period of over 40 years of Belgium administration, indigenous ways of life were dismantled and distorted. For example, pre-colonial patron/ client relationship which was hitherto flexible and which contained an important element of reciprocity and symbiosis was rigidified and politicized as an exploitative, and demeaning economic system administered in a coercive manner-not a voluntary quid-pro-quo.
During the colonial era, a cash crop economy was introduced, and was administered through harsh methods, including corporal punishments that alienated the King and his chiefs-mainly from the Tutsis ethnic group from the rest of the population-something that continues to define relations between the Hutu and Tutsis.
In 1933 the Belgian colonial administration introduced a discriminatory national identification on the basis of ethnicity. Banyarwanda who possessed ten or more cows were automatically registered as Batutsi and their descendants as such whereas those with less were registered as Bahutu.
The Tutsi who had resisted become increasingly enrolled in the catholic mission schools, to encourage openly this process the church adjusted its educational policies and openly favored Tutsi and discriminated against Hutu. With some exception, Hutu received only the education required for working in mines-and later in seminaries.
For practical and political reasons, the Belgians at first favoured the King and his chiefs, who were mostly a Tutsis ruling elite. When the demand for independence began, mainly by the same previously favoured Tutsi elite, under a political party, Union Nationale Rwandaise (UNAR), Belgian colonial authorities hastily switched support to a section of Hutu seminarians under a political party called PARMEHUTU founded on a sectarian ethnic ideology.
Among the European colonial administrators and missionaries operating in the Great Lakes region at the turn of the century, many believed in the so- called Hamitic hypothesis that viewed Tutsis as a separate race that must have come from elsewhere to bring civilization to the ‘Negroid’ Bahutu and Batwa.
According to the hypothesis “every thing of value in Africa had been introduced by a more ‘civilized race’-probably outside the continent.
It was decided to give preferential treatment to Tutsi elite when recruiting indigenous political authorities.
The Hutu chiefs and deputy- chiefs were removed and replaced by Tutsi. Catholic Bishop Monsignor Classe in 1930 issued a warning:
"The greatest harm the government could possibly inflict on itself and on the country would be to do a way with Mututsi caste. Such revolution would lead the country into anarchy and towards ant- European communism far from reaching progress. As a rule, cannot possibly have chiefs who would be better, more intelligent, active, more capable of understanding idea of progress and even more likely to be accepted by the population than Batutsi." (Classe, 1930)
The possibilities of most Hutu were further limited by the discrimination introduced in the catholic schools, which represented the dominant educational system throughout the colonial period.
Later, because Tutsi elites were asking for independence, colonial administration switched support and allied with Hutu elites, weeding its administration of Tutsi chiefs.
The colonial policies were merely grafted onto a foundation that already contained a potential for conflict. In the mid 1950’s, political demands in Rwanda were formulated in ethnic terms.
March 24th, 1957, Grégoire Kayibanda, then the Chief Editor of the Catholic newspaper Kinyamateka with the help of Catholic Bishop Perrudin penned the famous Bahutu manifesto, in which, for the first time a political problem was explained in racial terms, demanding the emancipation of Bahutu and a racial quota system in education and employment.
Under Belgian colonial administration connivance, the first massacres of Tutsis by PARMEHUTU party loyalists occurred in 1959. Amidst confusion and wide spread violence, with direct Belgian colonial administration support, PARMEHUTU abolished the monarchy and declared a republic in 1961-even before independence.
On July 1st, 1962 Rwanda was granted formal political independence and separated from Burundi .
Finally, Hutu elite politics of 1959 and events leading to independence in 1962 came to constitute crucial points of reference in the political life of Rwanda .
http://www.rwandagateway.org/spip.php?article4
Beginning about 1880, Roman Catholic missionaries arrived in the Great Lakes region. Later, when German forces occupied the area during World War I, the conflict and efforts for Catholic conversion became more pronounced.
As the Tutsi resisted conversion, the missionaries found success only among the Hutu. In an effort to reward conversion, the colonial government confiscated traditionally Tutsi land and reassigned it to Hutu tribes, igniting a conflict that has lasted into the 21st century
The area was ruled as a colony by Germany (before World War I) and Belgium. Both colonial powers allowed only the Tutsi to be educated and only they could participate in the colonial government. Such discriminatory policies engendered resentment.
When the Belgians took over the colony, they believed the colony could be better governed if they continued to identify the different populations. In the 1920s, they required people to identify with a particular ethnic group and classified them in censuses.
As the Tutsi resisted conversion, the missionaries found success only among the Hutu. In an effort to reward conversion, the colonial government confiscated traditionally Tutsi land and reassigned it to Hutu tribes, igniting a conflict that has lasted into the 21st century
The area was ruled as a colony by Germany (before World War I) and Belgium. Both colonial powers allowed only the Tutsi to be educated and only they could participate in the colonial government. Such discriminatory policies engendered resentment.
When the Belgians took over the colony, they believed the colony could be better governed if they continued to identify the different populations. In the 1920s, they required people to identify with a particular ethnic group and classified them in censuses.
The Tutsi have lived in the areas where they are for at the very least hundreds of years, leading to considerable intermarriage with the Bantu / Hutu people in the area.
Due to the history of intermingling and intermarrying of Hutus and Tutsis, ethnographers and historians have lately come to agree that Hutu and Tutsis cannot be properly called distinct ethnic groups.
Genetics
Modern-day genetic studies of the Y-chromosome suggest that the Tutsi are largely of Bantu extraction (80% E1b1a, 15% B, 4% E3). Paternal genetic influences associated with the Horn of Africa and North Africa are few (1% E1b1b), and are ascribed to much earlier inhabitants who were assimilated. The Tutsi, in general, demonstrate a close genetic kinship with neighboring Bantu populations, particularly the Hutu.
Due to the history of intermingling and intermarrying of Hutus and Tutsis, ethnographers and historians have lately come to agree that Hutu and Tutsis cannot be properly called distinct ethnic groups.
Genetics
Modern-day genetic studies of the Y-chromosome suggest that the Tutsi are largely of Bantu extraction (80% E1b1a, 15% B, 4% E3). Paternal genetic influences associated with the Horn of Africa and North Africa are few (1% E1b1b), and are ascribed to much earlier inhabitants who were assimilated. The Tutsi, in general, demonstrate a close genetic kinship with neighboring Bantu populations, particularly the Hutu.
bump so that maybe some more cacs can expose themselves. i doubt it, they know to stay away from these types of threads
What are the races in Uganda?
The indigenous Africans and the Indians.
excuse me ..ok.. all small letters now,proceed with SPECIFICS pls
The Indians in Uganda.
excuse me ..ok.. all small letters now,
What are the races in Uganda?
OK KAYA ! DO U NOW BELEIVE THIS "CHARLIE DARK" CHARACTER IS A CAC?
THIS MUHFUKKA ACTUALLY SEZ "The indigenous Africans and the Indians" as specifics of racism in practiced by black people , he actualy referenced "The indigenous Africans and the Indians" in uganda as a refutattion and proof of black folks practicing and instituting racism that parallels the european /american experience
do use how i smoked him out earlier and u guys kept givin him the benefit of a doubt? ! there r sometings we all know black folks just dont say or agree with..when they start sayin those things u know there's some fuckery afoot!
How do people have such a hard time grasping this concept?
It's really not that complex. "Racism", like the word from which it's derived, is a Western invention whereby people of varying cultures, backgrounds, nationalities, ethnicities, religions etc are grouped together on the basis of skin color alone. Moreover an entire system/social-economic structure is built to ensure that the humanity of one "race" is recognized to the exclusion others (incidentally, a system in which the benefits still accrue lopsidedly to one group).
Nothing like this has ever existed anywhere on Earth that we know of. Let's be clear... ethnic/tribal hatred and rivalry (usually driven by prosaic issues like water resources and land etc), religious, cultural strife, etc etc are nothing new and are simply part and parcel of being human.
But "racism" (and the whole concept of "race") is a new Western ("white") invention. Unless you believe that Somali tribes who have been at war for 35 years are practising "racism" in which case you've misunderstood Kaya's line of argument completely.
so idi amin = 400 years of trans atlantic slavery ? ok !..
Really???
That's what I said is it???
back at ya!!!
OK KAYA ! DO U NOW BELEIVE THIS "CHARLIE DARK" CHARACTER IS A CAC?
THIS MUHFUKKA ACTUALLY SEZ "The indigenous Africans and the Indians" as specifics of racism in practiced by black people , he actualy referenced "The indigenous Africans and the Indians" in uganda as a refutattion and proof of black folks practicing and instituting racism that parallels the european /american experience
Let go of Kaya's nuts and stand on your own two feet..
So "Indian" is a race?
I thought it was a nationality?
African is a race?
So I guess American is a race according to your perspective.
Isn't American a race too?
So "Indian" is a race?
I thought it was a nationality?
African is a race?
So I guess American is a race according to your perspective.
Isn't American a race too?
The premise of your argument seems to revolve around what you deem to be a race.
They ain't African,they ain't negro and they ain't white.....so you tell me, what are they???
Bruh??!!! It boggles my mind to no end !! It's such a simple fact , it's right infront of our eyes an these folks will argue to no end that's it's not transparent enuff !! No self respecting black person has these arguments , it's such a one & done fact ,... Only CACs argue these things in hopes to change the reality with their bs . Hopin we might forget or get confused about these things !! The fuckin nerve !! They do that shit all the time ...
I remember when I was in college , we had a black history month group talkin about slavery and this white girl had the nerve to tell me we should let let my ancestor rest in peace , that they've suffered enuff and we should let them rest in peace !! See how slick she thought she was? Yep! forget about ur ancestors and the wikkidness my ancestors visited on them so we can exipate out guilt but keep the gains we obtained as a result and let's be cool now !!but dont ask for reparations.
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