I will take LEBRON JAMES over in his PRIME over

there is no disrspect in having your name mentioned in the same breath as Jordan, but this thread is ridiculous. By jordans "prime" he had one a national championship, overcome a bum leg - which forced him to expand his game even more, AND had to battle the toughest teams in the east to get to BE Jordan. BEFORE his prime, he was a leader, cunning, tenacious, an assasin, vicious and elevated the sport of basketball to a GLOBAL stage. Dude never got to a game 7 in the championships AND never lost a finals - ever. Born leader and NEVER left a team to go be around "other stars" - he made them. Nor did he leave his team to get a chance to win.

Not sh*tting on LJ and not hate'n but I'm taking MJ 10 out of 10 times..in high school, in college (my bad), and definitly in the pros. How you going to go and NOT take the dude in which the die was cast by. smdh.
 
The Bulls lost in the Eastern Conference Semifinals. Pippen lead them in scoring and assists and was second in rebounds.

Ok. Well the next season he added the rebounding category.

Pippen finished the 1994–95 season leading the Bulls in every major statistical category—points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks.

Also, in the previous season the league and Nike could not let a Pippen led Bulls team even get to the Finals because it would devalue their Jordan brand. Best believe if the league had played fair, the Bulls would have been in the Finals and won it. Go back and look at that fake Hugh Hollins bs. :smh:
 
Ok. Well the next season he added the rebounding category.

Pippen finished the 1994–95 season leading the Bulls in every major statistical category—points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks.

Also, in the previous season the league and Nike could not let a Pippen led Bulls team even get to the Finals because it would devalue their Jordan brand. Best believe if the league had played fair, the Bulls would have been in the Finals and won it. Go back and look at that fake Hugh Hollins bs. :smh:

Hubert Davis! :lol:

No lie, that was a shitty call. Pip was so hot over that call I thought he was gonna kill that ref.
 
Not only did Pip lead the Bulls but led the entire league in categories such as steals during those years.
 
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LeBron James Might Be Too Big For Even Michael Jordan's Shadow

OKLAHOMA CITY – Michael Jordan will be feted like royalty during NBA All-Star weekend in the buildup to his 50th birthday on Sunday, and rightfully so. The legacy he's left on the league is unmatched.

For now, at least.

The way LeBron James is playing these days, he could be headed for a similar coronation on Dec. 30, 2034 – the day he turns 50.

"We will see," James said after delivering another monstrous performance with 39 points, 12 rebounds and seven assists to upstage Kevin Durant and the Oklahoma City Thunder in a 110-100 victory for the Miami Heat on Thursday night.

James owns a uniquely skilled all-around game that rates among the best in NBA history, alongside that of Jordan, Magic Johnson, Bill Russell and Larry Bird. What's separating James from those legends, however, is the number of championships he's won. He's less than a year removed from claiming his first. Jordan, Johnson, Russell and Bird each won at least three.

"People get caught up in that a lot, the titles," James said. "There are guys that have more titles than some of the greats. I don't like throwing people out there, but you look at Jud Buechler. Three titles with the Bulls. Is he better than Charles Barkley? Bill Wennington. Is he better than Patrick Ewing? People get caught up into it a lot, but I understand it.

"You have to win a championship or two to be put into that category. But if you just want to talk about a guy's body of work, a guy's individual body of work, Charles Barkley is one of the greatest to ever step on the floor. Patrick Ewing is one of the best. Reggie Miller is one of the best. That's why they are in the Hall of Fame."

James will be in the Hall of Fame someday, too, regardless of whether he wins another championship. But given the way he's playing, it's hard to see him not securing multiple titles before the end of his career.

This season, James has dominated the NBA in a fashion that has been rarely seen since Jordan. He became the first player in NBA history to score at least 30 points while shooting 60 percent from the field for six straight games – a streak that ended against the Thunder when he shot 58.3 percent (14 of 24). For the season, he's averaging 27.3 points, 8.2 rebounds and 6.9 assists while shooting 56.5 percent.

No longer does James seem hesitant to take the big shots. He's also showing some swag on the court. Three times, he told the Thunder crowd to hush up after making key plays in the fourth quarter. Each time, the crowd went silent.

James accepts why he draws comparisons to Jordan, but he doesn't always like it.

"You don't want to be continued to be compared to someone," James told Yahoo! Sports. "M.J. is one of the greatest that ever played. I don't know if I'll ever put in enough work to be mentioned with him, but I'm also at a point where I'm trying to make my own lane.

"I understand the comparisons. …Some of them are fair. Some of them are unfair to him. I know he's looking at it like, 'Guys shouldn't be compared to me.'"

The key to James' improvement, he said, was ridding himself of the negativity surrounding him after he departed Cleveland and fell short in the 2011 NBA Finals with the Heat. The eventual reward was a third MVP award, an elusive title and the return of his popularity and mental peace.

"It's a process," James said. "And that's with anything in life, it has to have a process. You can't just say you're going to do something and it happens right away.

"After we lost to Dallas, I took three weeks and did absolutely nothing. I got away. And then I went back to work. I went back to Ohio to my high school and got my work in. And that's when I started to say, 'Hey, everything else doesn't matter.' It's how I approach the game. Let's get back to having fun and that's when it started and carry on over to now."


While James will arrive to Houston early Friday morning as the king of the NBA, Jordan will temporarily take over the spotlight as he celebrates his 50th birthday. But give James a couple decades. He'll deserve his own party and his own legacy.

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Notice King calls MJ "one of the greatest" and not "THE greatest". And notice he threw a little subtle shot in there with the "Judd Buechler" and "Bill Wennington" ring count references. Kings bow down to no man. You have to respect LeBron's awareness for the history of the game and his place in it. I've always felt that was an advantage of his, he understood the word "legacy" at an early age.
 
Also, in the previous season the league and Nike could not let a Pippen led Bulls team even get to the Finals because it would devalue their Jordan brand. Best believe if the league had played fair, the Bulls would have been in the Finals and won it. Go back and look at that fake Hugh Hollins bs. :smh:

Bulls weren't good enough without Mike at the top of his game. They only had a 57 percent win record during the 94-95 season homie and were struggling to even get a playoff spot before Jordan came back.

Even with Pippen playing great ball in the previous season, that team was not getting to the finals... much less winning with that lineup.

Ref probably had money on the game though because that was a horrible call in the semi-finals.

I think Pippen is both underrated and overhyped (if that makes sense).

I watched his entire career and saw how long it took him to really get confidence. He used to bitch up for years against the Pistons (not even wanting to play).

He is under-rated as a defensive player. I think he's the best perimeter defensive player of all-time. Plus he was a really good all around player.... Could defend, pass, shoot well-enough.... could run.

He was the perfect player to compliment Jordan. Those two together were just perfect compliments to each other.

Pippen's main issues were mental. I don't include him with the elite like Jordan, Thomas, Lebron, Bird, Magic, Duncan, Shaq.... he is a very obvious step below in my opinion just on leadership ability alone.
 
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--l...r-even-michael-jordan-s-shadow-080822086.html

Notice King calls MJ "one of the greatest" and not "THE greatest". And notice he threw a little subtle shot in there with the "Judd Buechler" and "Bill Wennington" ring count references. Kings bow down to no man. You have to respect LeBron's awareness for the history of the game and his place in it. I've always felt that was an advantage of his, he understood the word "legacy" at an early age.

Notice "King's" words don't mean shit vs MJ's opinion. lol
 
Bulls weren't good enough without Mike at the top of his game. They only had a 57 percent win record during the 94-95 season homie and were struggling to even get a playoff spot before Jordan came back.

Even with Pippen playing great ball in the previous season, that team was not getting to the finals... much less winning with that lineup.

Ref probably had money on the game though because that was a horrible call in the semi-finals.

I think Pippen is both underrated and overhyped (if that makes sense).

I watched his entire career and saw how long it took him to really get confidence. He used to bitch up for years against the Pistons (not even wanting to play).

He is under-rated as a defensive player. I think he's the best perimeter defensive player of all-time. Plus he was a really good all around player.... Could defend, pass, shoot well-enough.... could run.

He was the perfect player to compliment Jordan. Those two together were just perfect compliments to each other.

Pippen's main issues were mental. I don't include him with the elite like Jordan, Thomas, Lebron, Bird, Magic, Duncan, Shaq.... he is a very obvious step below in my opinion just on leadership ability alone.

We obviously disagree about Pips place in NBA history. However, why do folks knock Pip for the Pistons years when he had just gotten in the league in '87. So the Pistons took it to the young Pip in '88 and '89. Didn't take long for him to rise above that IMHO.
 
Jordan was a monster in a WAY tougher era than it is today. He would average at least 35ppg. I didn't even like him. I thought he was a fake person, but you have to respect his game.
 
We obviously disagree about Pips place in NBA history. However, why do folks knock Pip for the Pistons years when he had just gotten in the league in '87. So the Pistons took it to the young Pip in '88 and '89. Didn't take long for him to rise above that IMHO.

It wasn't just 88 and 89 though. Obviously that made a bigger impression on me because I was at a lot of those games and watched him live. However, even years after that, I watched Pippen "shrink" in tight situations and he was also easily intimidated.

For comparison's sake, those other players I mentioned weren't players that shrunk in big situations at all in their careers really. That is just another reason why I don't think Pippen is in that top tier of greats. In terms of skill-set, he has that. But then we you look at him holistically across all the different categories, he comes up short against Shaq, Zeke, Magic, etc.

I do think he is under-appreciated by some because he was one of the better two-way players in the game (very good defensively and offensively).
 
MJ's opinion as a talent evaluator is not respected. LeBron will be a better exec than him too.

Apples to oranges. MJ might not be able to evaluate unproven talent (ie, college players) but he damn sure can evaluate players that have been in the league a combined 27 years (Kobe and Bron).
 
"I play for no one's approval"

so yeah like wise.. Bron don't give a fuck about MJ's opinion

He shouldnt. Trust, MJ wasnt walking on eggshells for the greats before him. He thought he was better than Magic in '91 and during the Dream Team run when he had less rings. 5 was better than 1 and 2 at that time.
 
"I play for no one's approval"

so yeah like wise.. Bron don't give a fuck about MJ's opinion

Yea right! Bron wore #23 because of MJ and even admits that his mobile wallpaper is a photoshop of him playing against MJ. He'll try to downplay it but he idolizes Mike and, if even in a subconscious way, would like his approval.
 
Apples to oranges. MJ might not be able to evaluate unproven talent (ie, college players) but he damn sure can evaluate players that have been in the league a combined 27 years (Kobe and Bron).

Dude can't even evaluate proven talent. Look at his GM and free agency moves. Mikes greatness stops on court.
 
Yea right! Bron wore #23 because of MJ and even admits that his mobile wallpaper is a photoshop of him playing against MJ. He'll try to downplay it but he idolizes Mike and, if even in a subconscious way, would like his approval.

Never said he didn't idolize him, shit he's on the Jordan special saying Jordan was his hero. Of course you would like your idols praise but what he's saying is that he's not playing for it. Big difference.
 
Yea right! Bron wore #23 because of MJ and even admits that his mobile wallpaper is a photoshop of him playing against MJ. He'll try to downplay it but he idolizes Mike and, if even in a subconscious way, would like his approval.

Why would LeBron care about some 50 year old man stuck in his 2nd childhood's opinion of his game? I keep telling you, LeBron is not Kobe. He's not gonna spend his whole career MIMICKING Mike. At this point he's not in this euphoria over MJ. He seems himself as having an opportunity to be GREATER. He doesnt want to "be like Mike" like you dudes, he is King and is walking his own path. He came in the game with his own line. He didnt hop on "Team Jordan". Sure he wore #23 in Cleveland and paid homage to MJ as an influence, but he has since switched to #6 and taken it upon himself to leave his own mark on the game.

I hope when LeBron turns 50 he can have his "boy" Rich Paul interviewing him throwing "softballs" for him to look good. I wish Ahmad would've asked him why he could never be the Great White Hope Larry Bird when it counted most? And why he never won so much as 2 playoff games without Scottie Pippen to lean on?
 
Yea right! Bron wore #23 because of MJ and even admits that his mobile wallpaper is a photoshop of him playing against MJ. He'll try to downplay it but he idolizes Mike and, if even in a subconscious way, would like his approval.

It bothered him enough that he tweeted about it later.

He cares. But at this point (after the Boston series last year), Lebron has finally learned to block that shit out.

Jordan also said he wasn't saying that Lebron wouldn't pass him.

Also, the titles thing has everything to do with Magic, Bird, etc because they always argued about titles.

Even Magic tries to renig on this greatest Laker thing sometimes by saying that Kobe only has 5 titles (just like he had).

If Miami wins again this season, Lebron is gonna run off a decent amount of titles because there is a difference between winning ONE and knowing you can win and then winning back to back and knowing you should be winning.

I still worry about Coach Spo....because although Lebron played badly in the first title loss by Miami, they should have still won that series... the problem was they got out-coached at the end of those games.

I can't imagine this squad if they get Oden and he manages to remain healthy (huge IF though).
 
I got a feeling after this season Riley is going to step down as GM and Spo will get promoted and Miami is going to make a push for Phil Jackson lol

This of course after back to back chips...
 
I got a feeling after this season Riley is going to step down as GM and Spo will get promoted and Miami is going to make a push for Phil Jackson lol

man.. Phil Jackson with this squad :itsawrap:

Shit wouldn't even be fair.

Phil Jackson and Pat Riley got beef from that who is the greatest Laker coach shit... Riley aint bringing Phil in...hahaha
 
Why would LeBron care about some 50 year old man stuck in his 2nd childhood's opinion of his game? I keep telling you, LeBron is not Kobe. He's not gonna spend his whole career MIMICKING Mike. At this point he's not in this euphoria over MJ. He seems himself as having an opportunity to be GREATER. He doesnt want to "be like Mike" like you dudes, he is King and is walking his own path. He came in the game with his own line. He didnt hop on "Team Jordan". Sure he wore #23 in Cleveland and paid homage to MJ as an influence, but he has since switched to #6 and taken it upon himself to leave his own mark on the game.

I hope when LeBron turns 50 he can have his "boy" Rich Paul interviewing him throwing "softballs" for him to look good. I wish Ahmad would've asked him why he could never be the Great White Hope Larry Bird when it counted most? And why he never won so much as 2 playoff games without Scottie Pippen to lean on?

Negro, Bron switched to #6 because Miami retired #23 in honor of Jordan.
 
It bothered him enough that he tweeted about it later.

He cares. But at this point (after the Boston series last year), Lebron has finally learned to block that shit out.

Jordan also said he wasn't saying that Lebron wouldn't pass him.

Also, the titles thing has everything to do with Magic, Bird, etc because they always argued about titles.

Even Magic tries to renig on this greatest Laker thing sometimes by saying that Kobe only has 5 titles (just like he had).

If Miami wins again this season, Lebron is gonna run off a decent amount of titles because there is a difference between winning ONE and knowing you can win and then winning back to back and knowing you should be winning.

I still worry about Coach Spo....because although Lebron played badly in the first title loss by Miami, they should have still won that series... the problem was they got out-coached at the end of those games.

I can't imagine this squad if they get Oden and he manages to remain healthy (huge IF though).
He cares but I think at this point he's realizing how great he is in his own right and is just focusing on building his own legacy.
 
man.. Phil Jackson with this squad :itsawrap:

Shit wouldn't even be fair.

Phil Jackson and Pat Riley got beef from that who is the greatest Laker coach shit... Riley aint bringing Phil in...hahaha

If they had Phil/Pat and Oden the regular season should be cancelled until 2017
 
Negro, Bron switched to #6 because Miami retired #23 in honor of Jordan.

He said #6 was his new number before he even went to Miami. What MJ says or thinks means a hill of beans. He aint out there playing. And he's already shown he's willing to be a hypocrite and put expectations on the generation following him that he himself could not live up to. Mid life crisis shit. MJ would give his left nut to be out there right now playing and shooting at the percentages King is.
 
He said #6 was his new number before he even went to Miami. What MJ says or thinks means a hill of beans. He aint out there playing. And he's already shown he's willing to be a hypocrite and put expectations on the generation following him that he himself could not live up to. Mid life crisis shit. MJ would give his left nut to be out there right now playing and shooting at the percentages King is.

Yes or no: do you call yourself King in honor of "King" James? :confused:
 
Yes or no: do you call yourself King in honor of "King" James? :confused:

No, my user name derives from a powerful book by Bennettsville, SC native, Chancellor Williams.

Yes or no: A true GOAT with all the experience, leadership, and will that MJ is credited with having should've been able to get the Wizards into the playoffs those last 2 years? He could average nearly 20 a game, drop 50 on dudes, but he couldnt get them in the dance in what people called a WEAK conference? Not even .500 record? :smh:
 
No, my user name derives from a powerful book by Bennettsville, SC native, Chancellor Williams.

Yes or no: A true GOAT with all the experience, leadership, and will that MJ is credited with having should've been able to get the Wizards into the playoffs those last 2 years? He could average nearly 20 a game, drop 50 on dudes, but he couldnt get them in the dance in what people called a WEAK conference? Not even .500 record? :smh:

MJ never played for the Wiz. That's been expunged from history books...at least in my house.
 
Well its impossible to compare James era vs Jordan's however its not as great as people let on to believe...
But what we can do is compare how LeBron fared vs his contemporaries and compare that to Jordan..
For the first 7 years of his career with the Bulls many felt that Jordan was the third best player in the league, some where behind Magic and Bird, but once he took off there was no doubt as to who was the greatest.. Once in full flight mode, Jordan went on to dominate ever single threat to his throne, both in game play and won loss records vs them...

Like wise James greatness in the league was challenge by Kobe but after a few years it became apparent that LeBron is indeed the dominate player, but lets see how he fared.
D. Rose = James absolutely destroys in the playoffs (No Shaddy)
Durant= Beat him 6 strait (including the finals) and appears to be head and shoulders better than the leagues 2nd best player..
Kobe= over a 2 to 1 ratio in wins, and always out plays in their match ups..
The way LeBron clearly dominates the other top players in the NBA (not an opinion but a stated fact) shows to me that unlike Kobe (a player who is often compared to Jordan) at least he is taking care of business during personal match ups vs his contemporaries...
 

D. Rose = James absolutely destroys in the playoffs (No Shaddy)

Don't make me cut you.


Durant= Beat him 6 strait (including the finals) and appears to be head and shoulders better than the leagues 2nd best player..

Befriended then beat him. :rolleyes:



Kobe= over a 2 to 1 ratio in wins, and always out plays in their match ups..
The way LeBron clearly dominates the other top players in the NBA (not an opinion but a stated fact) shows to me that unlike Kobe (a player who is often compared to Jordan) at least he is taking care of business during personal match ups vs his contemporaries...

Bron was nowhere to be found when KB24 was reeling off chips. Now that he's near retirement, cats wanna claim Bron got the best of him. lol. :smh: Just like AI got the best of Jordan. So AI better than Jordan now?
 
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Bron was nowhere to be found when KB24 was reeling off chips. Now that he's near retirement, cats wanna claim Bron got the best of him. lol. :smh: Just like AI got the best of Jordan. So AI better than Jordan now?

Bron is 13-6 all time vs. Kobe, and has won 13 of the last 15 matchups. He got the best of him.
 
Well its impossible to compare James era vs Jordan's however its not as great as people let on to believe...
But what we can do is compare how LeBron fared vs his contemporaries and compare that to Jordan..
For the first 7 years of his career with the Bulls many felt that Jordan was the third best player in the league, some where behind Magic and Bird, but once he took off there was no doubt as to who was the greatest.. Once in full flight mode, Jordan went on to dominate ever single threat to his throne, both in game play and won loss records vs them...

Like wise James greatness in the league was challenge by Kobe but after a few years it became apparent that LeBron is indeed the dominate player, but lets see how he fared.
D. Rose = James absolutely destroys in the playoffs (No Shaddy)
Durant= Beat him 6 strait (including the finals) and appears to be head and shoulders better than the leagues 2nd best player..
Kobe= over a 2 to 1 ratio in wins, and always out plays in their match ups..
The way LeBron clearly dominates the other top players in the NBA (not an opinion but a stated fact) shows to me that unlike Kobe (a player who is often compared to Jordan) at least he is taking care of business during personal match ups vs his contemporaries...


This argument is not a true test your theory. Todays NBA is way weaker than Jordan's era. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

Today LeBron has:

Kobe
Rose
Dirk (lost to in finals)
Durrant
Wade (same team)
Melo
(And for respect sake) Keven Garnett

Below this tier you have your Paul pierce, Deron williams, Chris Paul's and and what - not but the league is weak. And those LeBron has to fare against are few and far between.


Jordan, getting TO HIS PRIME, faced:

Magic
Bird
Paris
Isaiah
Dumars
Ewing
Hakeem
David Robinson
Barkley
Clyde Drexler
Reggie Miller
Mitch Richmond
karl malone
Shawn kemp
Gary Payton
The lakers
The Pistons
The Knicks

THERE IS NO COMPARISON with regards to competition. Jordan played against other "legends" who went to college and had superb and refined games as pros. The league is weak. Joe Johnson is getting paid like Reggie Miller begged to get paid - and he is not 1/10 the marksman or warrior as reggie but makes more and is considered "elite" (at least by his pay check). GTFO. :hmm: LeBrons road to "domination" is not paved with Goliaths like back in the day. He is a freak of nature with his size and ability, but he strike NO FEAR in the heart of his competitors. Some can (and do) argue that LeBron should have developed his post game years ago to be beyond devastating now. He is the top of his class/generation, but he ain't Jordan in any category.

 
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Just like a string of other bad decisions Jordan has made off the court yet again he was completely wrong about Choosing Kobe over Lebron.

While Kobe is one loss away from missing the playoffs Lebron Is steam rolling through the league.

Thanks MJ for waking the sleeping giant.

WIth the monkey off his back looks like the miami heat will sweep the playoffs.
 
Jordan doesnt come off like the brightest bulb when it comes to discussing basketball. Great player, icon on the court, but thats about it homie. 99% of his basketball jargon revolves around promoting himself, his brand, and his era as the be all end all. This dude fell back on the lame ass "ring" argument and dudes is giving him a pass for that? :smh: And people wonder why his drafting sucks? Why this guy has been handed the keys to 2 franchises only to send them to the lottery year after year? He should like Kobe over LeBron, they share a lot of the same "fraudulent" qualities.

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