I will take LEBRON JAMES over in his PRIME over

don't buy into that stupid shit about the distance of lebron james' resulting a higher FG%.

that's some of the dumbest box score reading bullshit you'll ever see on BGOL.

Look, dude...

...check the shot charts. They don't fucking lie. Granted, he didn't take as many shots, but for a two game stretch when Kobe shot the exact same percentages Lebron is being praised for...

...Kobe's shot-chart and Lebron's shot chart was identical. Close ranged shots.

How do you explain that, Yoda?
 
Now these videos are swaying too far in the other direction, but its interesting to see how much of what is said about LeBron was said back on Jordan...
Again being a fan of both I've heard the same arguments I am hearing on James today, back then said about Jordan. ..

As far as this being Kobemania all over again, Kobe was always looked upon as a MJ knock off, ball hogging, stat padder who thrived off of playing on loaded teams...
LeBron on the other hand did it the old fashion way, similar to Jordan, he had to earn his knocks on some bad clubs before smelling the sweet aroma of success.. Not only that, LeBron has always been his own man, redefining the game rather trying to imitate past players..
If this current streak that LeBron is on, is what he's truely elevated to, and he remains healthy, well then perhaps Jordan is the only player left to compare him to..

Hold the hell up...

...MJ knock-off? Ok, whatever. Kobe brought it on himself.

Stat padder?

Dude, please don't tell you believe these guys have these INCREDIBLE, all-time great stats by accident?

Hell, Kevin Durant is considered unselfish, but do you know dude just admitted to not wanting to heave full court shots at the end of quarters because it'd affect his shooting percentage(http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-always-shoot-high-risk-buzzer-beater-shots)?

Seriously, dude...

....Lebron and KD are just as conscious of their stats as Kobe. Kobe is just more nakedly ambitious...

...and cares less about his FG percentage than these dudes, but as a friend of mine said, 'You don't put up great stats without knowing it.'.

Thriving on loaded teams?

How about this ...

...what is Lebron doing NOW? Kobe thrived on loaded teams, and Lebron is doing WHAT on WHAT KIND OF TEAM?
 
For you cats heaping praises on Lebron, did any of you actually see Jordan play? I'm not talking about highlight reels. Did you actually see Jordan play?

Second thing, how you gonna compare a guy who has 6 rings (3 each consecutive, right?) to a guy who doesn't have 6 rings? Talent is a great thing but ability to execute is a better thing.

The fact that this comparison generated over 15 pages of responses is sad.

Come back when Lebron has 6 rings and we'll talk.
 
I think we all agree the Lebron v Jordan comparison is absurd. Thought we moved to the more sensible Kobe v Lebron...even though Kobe still wins hands down.
 
lebrons size is strength is basically most his game, he has no post up game and in the paint or driving to the basket he's a spin machine.

His shot improved but he has little crossover and can't burn people off the dribble like mj and joke did.

Off course his size has enabled him to more than the typical 2 guard, rebounding is always good.

I'd say his best asset is his passing but he's not in MJ's lead, it's about a 40 difference between the two.

MJ can't average 8 boards and game and bang like lj can and lj cant see the post moves like mj did.
 
lebrons size is strength is basically most his game, he has no post up game and in the paint or driving to the basket he's a spin machine.

His shot improved but he has little crossover and can't burn people off the dribble like mj and joke did.

Off course his size has enabled him to more than the typical 2 guard, rebounding is always good.

I'd say his best asset is his passing but he's not in MJ's lead, it's about a 40 difference between the two.

MJ can't average 8 boards and game and bang like lj can and lj cant see the post moves like mj did.

Jordan averaged 32/8/8 for a whole season bruh...
 
lebrons size is strength is basically most his game, he has no post up game and in the paint or driving to the basket he's a spin machine.

His shot improved but he has little crossover and can't burn people off the dribble like mj and joke did.

Off course his size has enabled him to more than the typical 2 guard, rebounding is always good.

I'd say his best asset is his passing but he's not in MJ's lead, it's about a 40 difference between the two.

MJ can't average 8 boards and game and bang like lj can and lj cant see the post moves like mj did.

Stop smoking crack bruh

Lebron can post up and play with his back to the basket
 
I think we all agree the Lebron v Jordan comparison is absurd. Thought we moved to the more sensible Kobe v Lebron...even though Kobe still wins hands down.

Alright ...

...see, you will never hear me say Kobe CAN'T play the game at a higher, more efficient level. I've seen it too many times. However, dude is hardwired to be something other than what grooming(father and uncle were pros who taught him); skill; work ethic; and knowledge of the game suggests he COULD be.

It is what it is.

Lebron has played the game in the right way. His numbers and wins with lower quality teams support this. I think Kobe has amazing basketball skills, and I admire his passion and work ethic...

...but with his atrocious shot-selection, and risk-taking, there is just no way he wins 'hands down'. Rings alone just aren't enough, doc. That has more to do with the personnel than any single player.

If Lebron had played with some of the teams Kobe played with, I'm PRETTY certain he would have more than one ring.

If I'm a GM, Lebron is the player I'm talking.

As a lover of freakshows and tom-foolery, I'd rather watch younger Kobe(Old Kobe is less athletic, and is now obsessed with playing team ball). I know I sound like a Kobe contradictory, hater, but I'm not. I think Kobe Bryant was Wilt Chamberlin's son, meaning, if he had stayed w/ Charlotte, dudes scoring averages and scoring streaks would have been insane. That's what he does best, because it's what he cares about the most. It's what I care about the most, frankly. At the same time, my interest don't blind me to what's 'good basketball'.

Hell, I HATE the Spurs because they're so fucking boring - but you think I don't get that that's what a basketball team should be/be about?

Lebron is just wired to be a better, more effective basketball player.

My opinion.
 
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This is redundant argument and will always be. The Jordan era generation will always believe Mike is the best, regardless. Lebron or Kobe could have 8 rings, 8 MVPs and Finals MVPs and there are those that will still always say Mike is better..

As Walt Frazier said when asked in the 90's was Jordan the greatest....And I quote..

"What is your criteria for the greatest?, He doesn't have the most points, Kareem does, he doesn't have the most rings, Russell does, he doesn't have the scoring record for one game, Wilt does."..

Fact is Jordan definitely had one of the greatest playing careers of all time, how far ahead, is debatable. What isn't debatable is he had the greatest impact and off court career and it's not close, EONS ahead of anybody else..

People use the ring argument when it's Jordan vs. Kobe and Lebron... yet... when it comes to Russell they discount it...well what about Kareem? More MVPs, same amount of rings, More points AND dominated BETTER competition for his rings.......

They mysticism that surrounds Jordan even as a Bulls fan is what kills me. I remember being 8/9 years old and being dead ass mad that they couldn't beat the Pistons, buying the Jordan Rules book from the book fair and reading it mad... Jordan had that SAME will to win when they were losing..

People from the Jordan generation act like he succeeded without hardship. Like he took over with his will...which isn't true.. You can say what you want about the teams he was on but when the LA, Piston, Celtic teams were prime Jordan didn't come close to winning a championship.

People belittle Kobe and Lebron because they dominate the weaker competition of their era...But yet give Jordan credit for dominating(winning championships) an era that is SIGNIFICANTLY weaker than the 80's. Yeah I know Jordan had great seasons in the 80's but they didn't amount to anything overall.

Even though based on ON COURT performance I don't think Kobe or Lebron are better than Jordan, at the same time I'm not going to act like there aren't things that Kobe and Lebron have accomplished or can do that Jordan can/could not...
Dudes act like nobody does anything better than Jordan, and if you bring something up then they say "Jordan could have did it better but he didn't want to.." For example I don't care what the stats say, Lebron is a better passer than Jordan. Lebron been playing PG damn near his whole life.... Jordan passed when he had to, Lebron passes because it's in his nature......

It makes it hard to separate Kobe because he basically patterned his game after Mike but with Lebron they are different players..Lebron has and will ultimately have his own niche in NBA history. Nobody has ever physically combined all of those attributes in one package..Regardless of whether he gets 7 rings or not.
 
Fact: Walt Frazier is a bitter old hater.

Fact: Walt Frazier is not in the convo for G.O.A.T.
 
don't buy into that stupid shit about the distance of lebron james' resulting a higher FG%.

that's some of the dumbest box score reading bullshit you'll ever see on BGOL.

check the games and you'll see that lebron james is taking a couple extra beats to READ the D. at first i thought he needed the time because he was confused, but you can actually see the moment he decides what the correct play is.

he's understanding his options better, and what the D is giving him.

although BGOL is loathe to do it, someone will have to give coach spoelstra some credit for putting lebron james in those situations that make it easier for him to read, and also putting players in positions that make it easier for lebron james to work with.

Spo isn't responsible for this. Lebron is. Everything about reading is true but above all he's doing something all nba players should do but choose not to do.. Be extremely selective in the shots he takes. Every shot is a great shot under normal circumstances. That's something he has finally figured out. He takes way more great shots so his percentages are up across the board. If he wants to and if he doesn't worry about getting shops up and if continues to drive to get ft attempts he can do this for the rest of the season easy.
 
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"I would never say that Michael Jordan thinks of himself as a god, but in his followers' eyes he has become the Exalted One. Commercials that focus on his ability to fly and walk on water have done nothing to dispel this perception, and the media have played right along. In an interview, MJ was asked to whom he was going to bequeath his mantle when he retired. He calmly replied, 'Anfernee Hardaway seems to be the most worthy prospect.'

It is taken for granted that MJ has an exclusive patent on greatness. No one questions the assumption that the mantle of superiority belongs to him alone-to keep or to pass on as he sees fit.

Team sports, by definition, involve teamwork. Players do different things, but each makes their special contribution to their team. All are working towards one common goal. How anyone decides to value a player's importance to the team is a subjective matter.

Can we agree that Jordan plays a position in a team game? He wouldn't qualify as the greatest center, nor is he the greatest ball handler, or the greatest at many of the other things he does on the court. Going one-on-one against other top players, I don't see him consistently coming out on top.

Jordan is obviously forgetting that he is a guard, and if he had to guard some of the guys who play the center position, he could be in trouble. Think back to what happened to Dr. J, for example. He wore the 'greatest' laurels in his time just as MJ does today, yet Kareem completely annihilated him in a one-on-one match. (So what does that make Kareem?) It's my belief that the same thing would happen if MJ were to go one-on-one against certain of today's quality players. He could be destroyed.

Every contemporary game is recorded and stored on a master tape in some television studio, and probably on video tape in thousands of homes, as well. Unfortunately, we earlier players were not recorded in this way, and consequently we are not able to show today's young whippersnappers what we were capable of doing.

We have never really had a chance to let people see just how great some of us were during our prime. It could be that the 'ooh's' and 'aah's' given to Michael each time he makes one of his electrifying plays would pale in comparison if today's fans could see the great Elgin Baylor do his thing, or watch Connie Hawkins in one of his miracle drives (and I could go on, of course).

It's all relative, in any case, and 'great' is only a relative term. A player can look different when he is playing with (or against) different teams. Michael, for example, looked far from the greatest when he played on the 1992 Olympic team. At that juncture, everyone thought Charles Barkley was by far the best. Playing with today's Chicago team, MJ may be the greatest, but he might not appear to be so great if he were playing with the Sacramento Kings. And wha tif he had been drafted by Boston, and had to play in the shadow of the already-established Larry Bird? Under those circumstances, would he still have become the great MJ we know and love?

Anyone who follows sports is aware of the advantage of having a superstar on your team. Those benefits become increasingly crucial in the later moments of a game when everything is so very important. It's the nature of the game that if the ball is given to your superstar, any calls that are made are apt to go his way. Everybody wants to go to heaven-even the referees (who are well aware of where their interests lie). So, if your superstar is looked upon as the Divine One-almost as a second coming-you have a superstar player who is even [i[more[/i] intimidating, and harder yet to make a call against.

I recently watched Jordan get away with flagrantly dressing down another official, an offense which every one-even the chicken-shit announcers-agreed should have resulted in a technical. But this technical would have put him out of the game: so, of course, it was not called. This man is the the man!

My object in talking about Michael's becoming so god-like is not to bring him down. I just want to point out that when someone has that type of power and produces that kind of effect during a game, the result can turn out to be a minus for basketball instead of a plus. Michael's ability to get the better end of every call diminishes teams sports in general. This is not Michael's fault; he is doing his thing, and is not responsible for the actions of others-or is he? Has he, or has he not, earned the right to those respectful calls?

We have heard many times that Wayne Gretzky was protected by WhA teams: he was not thrown up against the boards as much, nor did he receive the kind of treatment that Gordie Howe and other big stars had to endure during their careers. Is there a parallel between the way Gretzky's treated and the Michael Jordan Treatment Syndrome?

I don't believe that it is good for any sport if one player is placed above the rest, not in what he is able to do, but in the treatment he receives. Michael has proved that is able to do almost anything he sets his mind to. Adding gifts of fire to his already burning flame is not only unnecessary, it's a rotten shame.

Respect for Michael's awe inspiring talent (which is hyped by unbelievable media attention) has placed him in an exalted position that produces a kind of fear response in his opponents. You see, even basketball players know that it's improper (even blasphemous) to take the Lord's name in vain; so you, as a player, damn sure don't want to be the one knock Him on his Royal Ass. And just in case you are not buying what I am preaching, tell me when you last saw anyone take MJ down when he drove the lane?

So, how would you play the great MJ, Wiltie? I'd play him like Moses did with our real God: I'd meet him at the summit.

You have to meet Michael at the summit. When he comes gliding and sliding through the basket for one of his famous dunks, you have to put somebody on him. Even my favorite, Sir Charles, who has almost more heart than the real God Himself, let's Michael slide through. As for other players, I can't account for their reluctance. They surely can't be afraid that they are going to get hurt physically, since Michael weighs far less than most players who guard him in the paint.

The influence of fear factor might be understandable if it were Shaq they were meeting head-on, time after time. Shaq weighs about 330 pounds, but six-foot-seven Jordan weighs only about 197. He is actually rather skinny compared with soe of the big boys who are supposed to be covering the middle. So, why don't they hit him-perhaps even risking a flagrant foul? An occasional confrontation would cause Michael to think before driving to the basket next time.

I remember Magic Johnson's second game after coming back from his self-imposed retirement. He was playing against the Bulls in the Los Angeles Forum, and in his first drive down the middle, Rodman clothes-lined him, almost taking his head off.

That kind of thing never seems to happen to MJ. There almost seems to be unwritten hands-off rule for him. We all know, of course, that Rodman is a little bit crazy, but you can't be timid out there on the court! And no could deny that Rodman plays the game with the right kind of verve.

A defensive player actually has an advantage when guarding Michael, for two reasons: (1) the basket doesn't move, so you know where Michael is going; and (2) you know for certain that the last thing (the very last thing) that Michael wants to do is pass the ball. You know he's going to shoot it. With those two bits of data tucked away in your memory bank, the advantage is all yours-or least it should be.

In the good old days, I had to carry two and three guys to the basket with me. (They were always looking for a free ride.) But, all kidding aside, my opponents were not going to let me go in there unopposed. Even Shaq, big as he is, gets hammered pretty hard as he goes to the basket. That's the price that all the stars have to pay for doing their thing against the opposition.

You can't just let the superstars do it their own way, standing there smiling and waving at them as they go by. MJ gets enough respect and cheers as it is-and from both directions. The way the fans on both sides cheer for him makes every game a home game for Michael, no matter what arena he is in.

For the opposing team to hear more cheers for MJ than they get does not help to bring out their best. It is one thing to show respect for athletes you admire, but when they are on the opposing team, and you cheer for them, more than you cheer for your own side, that is really hard on the home team, and ego-deflating to say the least.

After the Bulls' seventy first win of the season, reporters who were surrounding Michael Jordan asked him not to be bashful, but to tell him who he thought was the best basketball player of all time. Quite seriously, he replied, "I think it's me." Now, all of us have a right to at least one vote, and, understandably, he chose to use that vote for himself. But on the other hand, he might have said, "I can speak only about the players I have actually played against, of course, and, of those players, I think I'm the best." That would have been a fairer statement, since there were a number of legendary players he never faced on the court. (And who knows what the outcome would have been in a one-on-one contest between MJ and a non-guard.)

An athlete's stature has always been established by the caliber of opponents he or she has faced. I learned the truth of his statement as I watched the great boxers who have fought during my lifetime. It holds true in basketball as well as boxing (or in any other sport, for that matter).

I would give a lot to have seen MJ play against Walt Frazier or KC Jones of the Celtics, two of the greatest defensive players of my time-or against Jerry West, a guy who could do it at both ends. And how would MJ have handled Oscar Robertson, the Big O? No one I know could have done it! If we were considering only three players of this era, Michael would fall behind two or three: Magic Johnson, or course, and my favorites, Larry Bird and Charles Barkley. When you keep in mind that basketball is a team game, we'd have to conclude that those three guys have made a larger contribution."

Wilt you "stupid motha fucka". How dare you speak ill of MJ. You fuckin retard. You nigga. You owe everything to him. You should be on your knees ready to suck his dick like everyone else. You're not a fan of basketball, you're a super stan who knows nothing! Don't talk about my idol like that! :lol:
 
Hold the hell up...

...MJ knock-off? Ok, whatever. Kobe brought it on himself.

Stat padder?

Dude, please don't tell you believe these guys have these INCREDIBLE, all-time great stats by accident?

Hell, Kevin Durant is considered unselfish, but do you know dude just admitted to not wanting to heave full court shots at the end of quarters because it'd affect his shooting percentage(http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-always-shoot-high-risk-buzzer-beater-shots)?

Seriously, dude...

....Lebron and KD are just as conscious of their stats as Kobe. Kobe is just more nakedly ambitious...

...and cares less about his FG percentage than these dudes, but as a friend of mine said, 'You don't put up great stats without knowing it.'.

Thriving on loaded teams?

How about this ...

...what is Lebron doing NOW? Kobe thrived on loaded teams, and Lebron is doing WHAT on WHAT KIND OF TEAM?

I disagree about Durant caring about stats. If OKC has a 15 to 20 point lead in the 4th quarter Durant normally stays at the top of the 3 point line taking his man out of the game and making it 4 on 4. Its been games where he had like 16 points at halftime and he'll spend the rest of the game staying away from the ball as long as the other team do not go on a run. Lebron in the same position starts hitting his players off of screens collecting assist and Kobe has always been a stat stuffer
 
I disagree about Durant caring about stats. If OKC has a 15 to 20 point lead in the 4th quarter Durant normally stays at the top of the 3 point line taking his man out of the game and making it 4 on 4. Its been games where he had like 16 points at halftime and he'll spend the rest of the game staying away from the ball as long as the other team do not go on a run. Lebron in the same position starts hitting his players off of screens collecting assist and Kobe has always been a stat stuffer

You were saying....?

It depends on what I’m shooting from the field. First quarter if I’m 4-for-4, I let it go. Third quarter if I’m like 10-for-16, or 10-for-17, I might let it go. But if I’m like 8-for-19, I’m going to go ahead and dribble one more second and let that buzzer go off and then throw it up there. So it depends on how the game’s going. - Kevin Durant


...you do realize that stat padding doesn't just mean scoring, right? This dude is basically telling you he keeps track of shooting percentage, and even won't shoot a shot at the end of a quarter if it means it'll damage his shooting percentage.

C'mon, people...

...
 
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Wilt you "stupid motha fucka". How dare you speak ill of MJ. You fuckin retard. You nigga. You owe everything to him. You should be on your knees ready to suck his dick like everyone else. You're not a fan of basketball, you're a super stan who knows nothing! Don't talk about my idol like that! :lol:

I agree with what he is saying.... I was a Jordan fan but you was not allowed to play him aggressive. You have Lebron slamming back against a defender but the defender can't play defense. When going up against players like this you gotta make the decision of playing defense and fouling out or just play soft at the same time it's giving that other player more confidence bc they start feeling untouchable. You see when Lebron is backing a player down and he starts slamming his shoulder back against the defender on purpose and smiling Now what is the defender suppose to do when he's doing that in front of the refs and the refs don't call it. The refs give these players way to much help when they should just let the fools play and win on their on skills.
 
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Wilt you "stupid motha fucka". How dare you speak ill of MJ. You fuckin retard. You nigga. You owe everything to him. You should be on your knees ready to suck his dick like everyone else. You're not a fan of basketball, you're a super stan who knows nothing! Don't talk about my idol like that! :lol:

You were saying....?




...you do realize that stat padding doesn't just mean scoring, right? This dude is basically telling you he keeps track of shooting percentage, and even won't shoot a shot at the end of a quarter if it means it'll damage his shooting percentage.

C'mon, people...

...

He takes 99% of their last shots at the end of the quarters.
 
He's a fucking retard. Dude has to be 12 years old. No way he watched Jordan play and wouldnt let him fuck him.

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MAJORITY of you guys have lost the meaning of this discussion. Jordan is a GREAT player, but Lebron is simply BETTER. POINT BLANK PERIOD. Stop letting the Jordan Aura blind you. Lebron is an UNSTOPPABLE force. Nuff said....
 
wow all this lbj hate, so yeah lbj lost in the finals but lemme ask has mj ever took a team with no stars to the finals?
 
wow all this lbj hate, so yeah lbj lost in the finals but lemme ask has mj ever took a team with no stars to the finals?

Allen Iverson did it with a weaker team and didn't get swept. You can keep lying to yourselves saying Lebron didn't have help in Cleveland but he didn't average 100 ppg so someone was scoring those other 70 ppg. The only player in history that you can say he carried his team like ESPN convinced you Lebron did in Cleveland is Wilt and he has the stats to show it. Cleveland had a good defense because Lebron was checking all 5 players by himself ..... ESPN didn't convince you until after he went to the Heat that he was a great defensive player. I' done with this thread
 
Allen Iverson did it with a weaker team and didn't get swept. You can keep lying to yourselves saying Lebron didn't have help in Cleveland but he didn't average 100 ppg so someone was scoring those other 70 ppg. The only player in history that you can say he carried his team like ESPN convinced you Lebron did in Cleveland is Wilt and he has the stats to show it. Cleveland had a good defense because Lebron was checking all 5 players by himself ..... ESPN didn't convince you until after he went to the Heat that he was a great defensive player. I' done with this thread

Uh...talking about carrying a team. Pippen led his team in every statistical category for an entire season. Anyone else do that?

And yes he was cheated by the league from going to the Finals by a fake Hugh Hollins foul call. :angry:
 
Uh...talking about carrying a team. Pippen led his team in every statistical category for an entire season. Anyone else do that?

And yes he was cheated by the league from going to the Finals by a fake Hugh Hollins foul call. :angry:

The Bulls lost in the Eastern Conference Semifinals. Pippen lead them in scoring and assists and was second in rebounds.
 
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