Just saw Django [MERGED~> !SPOILER ALERT!]

What QT did was make an extremely entertaining yet poorly written film. The fact is the movie was so entertaining it didn't matter that the script was fundamentally flawed. QT wrote a script where the protagonist had so few lines he seemed more like an extra.

Django's character development was so bad that when he finally got his woman and his revenge I didn't feel happy for him. Why? Because I didn't really know him. Sure, I was happy a black man was kicking hella ass but I didn't feel at all connected to the character.:(

However, QT aint stupid by far. He did that shit on purpose. He gave Jamie Foxx top billing because Django is the protagonist, but he knows good and damn well white people don't want to see a "black" movie. Django is the star on paper while the real stars are Shultz and DiCaprio. It's genius, but it makes for bad writing.

That being said, despite all that the movie is one of my favorite films of all time. I Love it. Can't wait to see it again.:yes::yes:

Actually I felt that DiCaprio was underutilized and Schultz was used too much...I was thinking that like the original Django, Frank Nero, Django spoke very little to stay with the original film...but again, we are speculating...
 
But its impossible to tell those stories without the plantation setting. Which is what I asked you about in the first place because you yourself said your problem with the film is the depiction of life on the plantation.

To use your own example again, how could you possibly tell Nat Turner's story without showing us life on the plantation?
it would be more of a straight forward telling rather than a mashup of spaghetti western with blaxploitation with bits of comedy. Those scenarios aren't revenge fantasies theyre slave uprisings which again..did happen.

You keep switching the topic to Django getting help from a white dude. I dont know why. They didnt have a subservient type of relationship. Django was his own man. You are pretending that it touches on the respectability aspect of the film but really thats just about our storyline preferences.
along with the blaxploitation rip you also have a star of the film thats not really the star (see genocide's analysis) He gave Jamie Foxx top billing because Django is the protagonist, but he knows good and damn well white people don't want to see a "black" movie. Django is the star on paper while the real stars are Shultz and DiCaprio. Something I keep consistently reading in others observation. Thats why I made that connection. Django may not have been subservient but he needed a white man nonetheless and more importantly the production needed a white man to sell the film.

Like I said before, you can tell the "get my wife back" story a million different ways. I get that. But to me, if you gonna have slavery as a backdrop, and your star is a slave, and his woman is a slave, then deal with it head on. Thats what I feel adds value to the film.
Fine deal with the whole story head on and seriously not as some jokey, retro action fantasy.

Persecution is not specific to Jewish history. Hiding in your neighbors basement because your kind is being hunted is not specific to Jewish history. There wasnt anything in the movie that related back to German or Jewish heritage. You can tell the exact same story in a different war, and at the end instead of carving a swastika they carve another symbol.

on that same note slavery wasn't specific to just blacks in american history. Forced labor and living on a plantation is not specific to black history in america it also happened to the Irish, Scottish and Welsh who were in fact the first ******* here. QT could have done django unchained using an irishman if he moved the timeline back further or a native american.
 
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Saw it yesterday. Just as I thought...ultra violent, action western...and over-hyped. Seeing it for free was a bonus. After watching, I'd say Spike was somewhat off the mark. I've never been a QT fan and won't become one after this but the movie was one of his better efforts. The stain of slavery and racism will forever be woven into the fabric of our daily conscious and in the actions of the descendents of slave masters. Otherwise I may have been able to enjoy the movie more.
 
:lol::lol::lol:

Saw it yesterday. Just as I thought...ultra violent, action western...and over-hyped. Seeing it for free was a bonus. After watching, I'd say Spike was somewhat off the mark. I've never been a QT fan and won't become one after this but the movie was one of his better efforts. The stain of slavery and racism will forever be woven into the fabric of our daily conscious and in the actions of the descendents of slave masters. Otherwise I may have been able to enjoy the movie more.

The definition of a lukewarm endorsement....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Any of you ever see 'Birth of a Nation'?
Do you understand what that movie was about?
:dunno:

What QT did was make an extremely entertaining yet poorly written film. The fact is the movie was so entertaining it didn't matter that the script was fundamentally flawed. QT wrote a script where the protagonist had so few lines he seemed more like an extra.

Django's character development was so bad that when he finally got his woman and his revenge I didn't feel happy for him. Why? Because I didn't really know him. Sure, I was happy a black man was kicking hella ass but I didn't feel at all connected to the character.:(

However, QT aint stupid by far. He did that shit on purpose. He gave Jamie Foxx top billing because Django is the protagonist, but he knows good and damn well white people don't want to see a "black" movie. Django is the star on paper while the real stars are Shultz and DiCaprio. It's genius, but it makes for bad writing.

That being said, despite all that the movie is one of my favorite films of all time. I Love it. Can't wait to see it again.:yes::yes:

soo it is a poor effort... poorly executed but one of your favorite films of all time??

1. I am a film student... fake blood and sex isn't gonna distract me away from a poor story and script... BUT I AM NOT KNOCKIN THOSE WHO CAN LOOK PAST THAT!
2. So do you think that much like the destructive rap music our youth enjoy despite being void of art/substance... but ... but FILLED with the fantasy of riches, power and large beautiful stables of women... you enjoy Django simply because it fulfills a fantasy we all are supposed to have?
 
Well I didn't have shit to do today, I have the day off, so I paid to see Life of Pi. Then I sneaked into The Hobbit, and Django Unchained.

Django wasn't all thatb by any means. I am a huge Q.T. fan, and I had high expectations for this movie. I was sorely disappointed. First of all, the movie could have gone more into depth about Django's bounty hunting exploits. Doing so would have given more credibility to Django's gun fighting skills: shooting the snowman really didn't give credence to Django's exceptional accuracy.

I guess, just overall, I agree with those who said that the movie was written well. The story itself was mediocre, without the gratuitous violence it would have been unwatchable. Lastly, Samuel Jackson played the house nigga roll just a little too well. I lost a little bit of respectability to Sam for taken that roll, and then acting it out so well.
 
Would you take the over or under on Django Unchained XXX being released in 3 months? lol :( lol
 
Would you take the over or under on Django Unchained XXX being released in 3 months? lol :( lol

waaaay under playa..they finished filming already and that shit will be released within two weeks at most....

:dance::dance::dance::dance:
 
Any of you ever see 'Birth of a Nation'?
Do you understand what that movie was about?
:dunno:



soo it is a poor effort... poorly executed but one of your favorite films of all time??

1. I am a film student... fake blood and sex isn't gonna distract me away from a poor story and script... BUT I AM NOT KNOCKIN THOSE WHO CAN LOOK PAST THAT!
2. So do you think that much like the destructive rap music our youth enjoy despite being void of art/substance... but ... but FILLED with the fantasy of riches, power and large beautiful stables of women... you enjoy Django simply because it fulfills a fantasy we all are supposed to have?

Exactly. It's a guilty pleasure. It doesn't have to be written well to be entertaining. A perfect example would be hip hop. Jut look at songs like "All Gold Everything" by Trinidad James and "Birthday Song" by 2 Chainz. Both are horribly written songs but are extremely enjoyable.:lol:

Django is the cinematic equivalent of a 2 Chainz song. It isn't written very well, but QT is such a master at what he does he still finds a way to make it very entertaining. And that's all we really want from movies and music. Too be entertained. It's the critics that try to hold these art forms to such a high standard.
 
Just seeing the movie and i thought it was a good western flick,but thats all..and can summ one give me summ insight on that chic who face was covered up that was hanging wit the bacall gang at the candie land plantation..?? and why did they take all that time stalling to get his wife..:smh: they chould hav edited out atleast 5-mins of footage and got to the sure point..
 
Well I didn't have shit to do today, I have the day off, so I paid to see Life of Pi. Then I sneaked into The Hobbit, and Django Unchained.

Django wasn't all thatb by any means. I am a huge Q.T. fan, and I had high expectations for this movie. I was sorely disappointed. First of all, the movie could have gone more into depth about Django's bounty hunting exploits. Doing so would have given more credibility to Django's gun fighting skills: shooting the snowman really didn't give credence to Django's exceptional accuracy.

I guess, just overall, I agree with those who said that the movie was written well. The story itself was mediocre, without the gratuitous violence it would have been unwatchable. Lastly, Samuel Jackson played the house nigga roll just a little too well. I lost a little bit of respectability to Sam for taken that roll, and then acting it out so well.

What??? :lol:
 
Bout to watch the CAM version I downloaded from torrents on my phone. :cool:

2hr and 45 min though. :hmm:

Sent Collect from the Fulton County Correctional Facilty using pay phone.
 
Bout to watch the CAM version I downloaded from torrents on my phone. :cool:

2hr and 45 min though. :hmm:

Sent Collect from the Fulton County Correctional Facilty using pay phone.

i saw that the screener is supposed to be uploaded next week
 
i saw that the screener is supposed to be uploaded next week

Cam not bad though. I still hadn't watch it yet. I fell asleep during unpacking my things from my trip. My and my lady may watch it together later. :D

Sent Collect from the Fulton County Correctional Facilty using pay phone.
 
I guess, just overall, I agree with those who said that the movie was written well. The story itself was mediocre, without the gratuitous violence it would have been unwatchable. Lastly, Samuel Jackson played the house nigga roll just a little too well. I lost a little bit of respectability to Sam for taken that roll, and then acting it out so well.

I said it in another thread I will say it again....Samuel L. Jackson s character was the smartest in the movie.....

and behind closed doors the Leonardo's character s chief advisor.

"Thank you, Steven....you re welcome, Calvin."
 
If you see Sam in that movie, you'll understand...that was really the worst part of the movie for me because he played that Sambo so damn well:smh:

thats the best its acting and shows how good he is. daniel day lewis isnt lincoln in real life, dont take it personal
 
I said it in another thread I will say it again....Samuel L. Jackson s character was the smartest in the movie.....

and behind closed doors the Leonardo's character s chief advisor.

"Thank you, Steven....you re welcome, Calvin."

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I literally wanted to walk into the screen and choke the life out of Samuel Jackson's character.

Thats an acting job no other actor on earth could have pulled off so well.
 
Just letting you guys know that Django Unchained DVD Screener is now available for download in the Hollywood Forum. Enjoy!:cool:
 
Just got done watching the screener i liked it. The scene with Jonah Hill and Don Johnson where everyone was passed off about there bags was funny as fuck
 
The made Schultz a martyr!

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Well played sir. Well played.

I thought Christoph Waltz actually stole this movie. I didn't care much for Leo or Sam.

He and Jaime had a very natural chemistry on screen.

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When Jamie was whipping that dude with that whip I was damn near jumping up yelling.

Sams character reaction when he 1st saw Django and Waltz was fucking hilarious.His facial expression and commentary to anything that had to do with Django was also hilarious.

Movie was basically cacs getting fucked up.I enjoyed it.
 
Alright..I done seen this shit...now for my observations:

As a story it holds up and has entertainment value but that was never the issue. The issue was using plantation life and the horrors of slavery in a story thats purely for entertainment purposes.

Could a Black Django story have been told without getting into plantation life specifically? Yes..the first half hour or so of the movie proves that. And while I still have my issues with it the horse has left the barn so to speak so in that light I (and you all as well) should be on the look out for that Concentration Camp Jewish action story and The Trail Of Tears Indian thriller. Clearly its okay to use real life horrors in human history as fodder for fantasy fiction so lets use them all.

Or are terrible events in black history the only things open for dramatic licence use?

Observations specifically about the movie and :hmm: moments:

Django is the ONLY self actualized black man in the whole damn film.
Tarantino literally illustrates Candie's 1 in 10,000 theory by not showing any other black man doing anything but being a broken slave. In fact Django himself is a broken slave until he bought by a well meaning white man. King Schultz..note the GOOD white man's name is KING:rolleyes:. All the good things that happen to Django is solely because of the auspices of a white man who is literally white guilt personified. Hell we should have seen a Star Wars type crawl at the end of the movie that said THANK YOU MR WHITE MAN FOR WITHOUT YOU ALL OF THIS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE! LUV DJANGO

King Schultz is a bleeding heart liberals wetdream.
Here's a guy who when we meet him is all business. But he hates slavery. He buys Django simply because he can aid him in bounty hunting thats it. The original deal:in exchange for helping locate the Brittle brothers, Schultz will free Django from slavery and give him $75 plus a horse. Then Django tells him about his wife and suddenly Schultz is smitten with this quest that takes him waaay out of his way for no real reason. Which brings me to...

AFTER 2 AND HALF HOURS WE REALLY DIDN'T LEARN ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF THESE PEOPLE!

Django, beyond being a slave whats his background? How is he so naturally accurate at shooting a gun if he's never handled a weapon before? How's he and Broomhilda meet? How long were they married?

King Schultz was dentist before becoming a bounty hunter why'd that happen? Does or did he have a family? Why is he in america?

Other than being a cruel slaver owner and a dandy whats Candie's background or Stephen? All of these people were what they did..they weren't so much real people as representatives of vocations or emotions.

Broomhilda was to Django what the jewelry store robbery was to the thieves in Reservoir Dogs or the briefcase was Jules and Vince in Pulp Fiction or guns were to Ordell in Jackie Brown or Bill was to the Bride in Kill Bill. She and they were just a reason for the protagonists to be doing shit (thats called a MacGuffin). Hell you really didn't need her..its possible to write a story where she gets killed and Django goes on a mission to avenge her that would have worked just as effectively.

Django never stopped being a slave.
Legally speaking Django was a slave when Schultz bought him. Schultz gets a receipt for him then tells him that for the purposes of bounty hunting only Django must "pose" as his servant. But legally Django IS his servant. Schultz calls him Django Freeman but he never gave him his freedom papers. Even after calling him his partner and they make all this money Django could have bought himself out of slavery with Schultz for a dollar or so just for the papers but that never happens. He goes back for Hildies papers and its important if theyre going to be travelling in the south but Django himself doesn't have papers so legally he's still a slave by the end of the movie.

Portraying white people as evil, ignorant bumblefucks undercuts the seriousness and reality of slavery and the KKK
While the scene with the hoods/eyeholes was funny there was nothing funny about the ku klux klan. Even tho those guys may have been the precursors to the actual klan those lynch mobs and terrorist groups were very effective in terrorizing people in general and blacks in particular. And it begs the question that QT asks thru Candie in the film which is "HOW THE FUCK DID YOU GUYS ALLOW YOURSELVES TO BE RULED BY THESE HILLBILLY ASSHOLES FOR SO LONG?"

And thats a real question. QT raises a number of points about blacks and slavery make you go hmmm? 1 in 10,000 (which is totally not enough to make a resistance in any real way) - subservient brains - whites are evil but ultimately stupid yet still rule over blacks so what does that say about them? So sticking funny bits around it and wrapping it up in a fantasy where one black guy is the "fastest draw in the south" seriously undercuts the very real issues and horrors of forced bondage that real black people had to endure.

My position on Django Unchained and its use of plantation life hasn't changed and if anything it makes me have more questions about tarantino.

Thats just off the top of my head...Its late but I have more observations tomorrow.
 
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